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The 2nd Beast of Revelation is the cult of Freemasonry, and this teaching proves it through scripture. Freemasonry is a form of witchcraft, and they've used the occult power of the antichrist's kingdom to manipulate humanity to an incredible degree the last 50 years:

You can check the video here: https://youtu.be/uF2OULXjSf8

In the Bible when an animal figure is presented it usually implies a system, organization or nation.

This template of interpretation is well established in the book of Daniel when animal figures and their interpretation are presented together several times.   Daniel thus provides the method and type of interpretation to be applied elsewhere in God's Word.

That being said, Biblical references to the number of the beast suggests a system, organization or nation that is identified by the use of numbers.   The Bible also says 666 is the number of a man.  Assuming Daniel's method of interpretation, what human system or organization is most often associated with numbers? 

How about banks?

Banks are a system most often identified with numbers such as our international financial cartel of the World Bank, Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve, and so on.  It should be noted that international financial globalization was begun late in the 19th century and now holds virtually every nation and person in its grip.

If we're looking for the number of the beast I don't think we need to look further.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

The number of the beast is 666.

The mark of the beast is allegiance (knowingly) to Satan's kingdom/dominion over all the earth (the beast).

  The marka the beast will be a specific "mark", most likely an embedded microchip.

Quote from: austins on Tue Oct 01, 2019 - 15:21:40
The number of the beast is 666.

The mark of the beast is allegiance (knowingly) to Satan's kingdom/dominion over all the earth (the beast).

I've heard that assertion before, albeit rarely.    It's not something commonly accepted, but entirely logical and in agreement with the Bible.   

History is replete with the requirement of allegiance to repressive regimes.  That's the way of demonic government.  One must promise to be loyal and promise it often.   

Most interpretations of the antiChrist kingdom suggest a number or tattoo on the hand or forehead, but I consider that allegiance as expressed politically and legally is often expressed with the hand as a salute or the forehead as meaning an intellectual acceptance.  It is historically accurate.  The trend is so common as to be chilling.

In Nazi Germany, the straight arm salute was accompanied by fanatic intellectual devotion to the leader.    In Roman times the salute and unyielding loyalty to the emperor was required of everyone whether they were citizens or not.  In Communist countries, as well as the United States, an oath of allegiance is required of its citizens as well as the military salute and civilian hand-over-heart.   The straight arm salute was used in America after World War I until it was recognized to be too close to the German style. 

The pages of the Bible FORBID expressions of allegiance to any government.   

In Romans 13:1, St. Paul says one should submit to the governing authorities.  This means observance of civil laws.  That's a long way from allegiance, by the way.  An American tourist in Italy is expected to pay local taxes and submit to laws and ordinances, but isn't expected to make statements of allegiance to the Italian government.  Consider that in this way, Jesus acted exactly like a tourist among us.  He obeyed Roman laws and paid Roman taxes, but did not swear an oath to support the Roman Empire.

Jesus demonstrated the payment of taxes was acceptable in God's eyes as well.   NEVER does any apostle or Christ suggest that allegiance in any form ought to be given to a government.  The opposite IS required.   Deuteronomy 6, which lists the Ten Commandments, puts allegiance to the Lord as #1.   No other entity or human invention is allowed to share it.  Allegiance to any government, including the republic of the United States, is forbidden.  In like manner, no loyalty is to be expressed to any demonic government.  The message of Revelation is clear in that in the latter days mankind would bow to it anyway - with all their minds and in all the power of their hands.

The throne of God is a seat for one.   It's not a bench for a committee.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

Quote from: Choir Loft on Thu Oct 03, 2019 - 06:46:40
I've heard that assertion before, albeit rarely.    It's not something commonly accepted, but entirely logical and in agreement with the Bible.   

History is replete with the requirement of allegiance to repressive regimes.  That's the way of demonic government.  One must promise to be loyal and promise it often.   

Most interpretations of the antiChrist kingdom suggest a number or tattoo on the hand or forehead, but I consider that allegiance as expressed politically and legally is often expressed with the hand as a salute or the forehead as meaning an intellectual acceptance.  It is historically accurate.  The trend is so common as to be chilling.

In Nazi Germany, the straight arm salute was accompanied by fanatic intellectual devotion to the leader.    In Roman times the salute and unyielding loyalty to the emperor was required of everyone whether they were citizens or not.  In Communist countries, as well as the United States, an oath of allegiance is required of its citizens as well as the military salute and civilian hand-over-heart.   The straight arm salute was used in America after World War I until it was recognized to be too close to the German style. 

The pages of the Bible FORBID expressions of allegiance to any government.   

In Romans 13:1, St. Paul says one should submit to the governing authorities.  This means observance of civil laws.  That's a long way from allegiance, by the way.  An American tourist in Italy is expected to pay local taxes and submit to laws and ordinances, but isn't expected to make statements of allegiance to the Italian government.  Consider that in this way, Jesus acted exactly like a tourist among us.  He obeyed Roman laws and paid Roman taxes, but did not swear an oath to support the Roman Empire.

Jesus demonstrated the payment of taxes was acceptable in God's eyes as well.   NEVER does any apostle or Christ suggest that allegiance in any form ought to be given to a government.  The opposite IS required.   Deuteronomy 6, which lists the Ten Commandments, puts allegiance to the Lord as #1.   No other entity or human invention is allowed to share it.  Allegiance to any government, including the republic of the United States, is forbidden.  In like manner, no loyalty is to be expressed to any demonic government.  The message of Revelation is clear in that in the latter days mankind would bow to it anyway - with all their minds and in all the power of their hands.

The throne of God is a seat for one.   It's not a bench for a committee.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

I'm not saying you're wrong, or right, but where does the Bible "forbid" expressions of allegiance to any governments.
Also are you trying to imply the mark is related to giving allegiance to a government/s?
This is a spiritual mark, a mark of the soul, soul allegiance, that's what the mark of the beast is.
A conscious decision to promote all of Satan's plans/agendas and to be used as a tool for that purpose.
Pretty much selling your soul because all that take the mark are damned.

Quote from: austins on Wed Oct 16, 2019 - 08:31:35
I'm not saying you're wrong, or right, but where does the Bible "forbid" expressions of allegiance to any governments.
Also are you trying to imply the mark is related to giving allegiance to a government/s?
This is a spiritual mark, a mark of the soul, soul allegiance, that's what the mark of the beast is.
A conscious decision to promote all of Satan's plans/agendas and to be used as a tool for that purpose.
Pretty much selling your soul because all that take the mark are damned.

Where in the Bible is allegiance to a government forbidden?   The 1st commandment of course.

"I AM the Lord thy God.  You shall have no other gods before me." - Deuteronomy 5:7 & Exodus 20:3

If total allegiance and devotion to a government is not a conviction of the mind as well as an act of the hand and body, then what is it?   Every despot in history has demanded loyalty of body mind and spirit to their administration.  Every single one of them.   A future antiChrist would do no less.  One's loyalty to a government is an absolute demand.   On the other hand, the government never promises similar devotion to its citizens.  Never. 

As a veteran of US military service and one who suffers from a permanent injury sustained during duty, but has never received a penny of support from the VA for it, I can attest to the lack of loyalty of government to its citizens.

"Your soul may belong to Jesus, but your a$$ is mine." - typical drill instructor in basic training informing new recruits of their status

The pledge of allegiance was formerly adopted by act of congress in 1942 as a civilian oath of allegiance similar to that of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.  Its earliest iteration was in 1892 as a response to the southern rebellion.   In part it was worded thus: "We give our heads and hearts to God and our country; one country, one language, one flag!"

The current pledge of allegiance is an oath of support to the Federal government and its flag - the republic for which it stands.  The modern pledge omits the Name of God as part of the obligation, as part of the pledge.  Instead the language of the pledge puts God in the position of supporter of the Federal government.  God never vindicates a government. 

Our nation was not built upon mindless loyalty. It was built on liberty of its citizens.  Liberty means freedom from oppression by government.   Today there is not one single aspect of our lives that isn't regulated taxed or otherwise touched by the hand of government. 

It is God who is to rule our hearts minds and hands.  It is God who has jurisdiction over our spirits destiny.   It is well for us to remember that.    Governments, especially ours, would prefer us to forget.

The mark of the beast is more than a micro chip or tattoo.   Biblical language suggests an absolute attitude of allegiance, which has always been preferred by despotic leaders.   Will antiChrist demand less?  I think not.  Would micro chips and tattoos (*) enhance governmental control.  Of course they would.  A repressive government or system would welcome them, as well as the pawns in the game. 

A new generation has arisen in the land which knows not God. 

Neither do they fear Him or accept His LAW for their lives.   Instead they believe that the government is and of a right ought to be the ultimate power in their lives.  When the LAW and liberty of God is replaced by society, only violence and murder and thievery can be expected.   So it is and so we see it today.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

(*)  Tattoos are forbidden by the Bible and by Islam.  Therefore the Bible does not condone a tattoo as an actual symbol of allegiance to antiChrist.  The reference is figurative and therefore implies mental and physical loyalty.

Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD."

"It was narrated that Abu Juhayfah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: 'The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed the one who does tattoos and the one who has a tattoo done.' " - ​​Sahih Bukhari (hadith literature)

  Romans 13:1-7 says to obey the govt. THEY have done wrong, not YOU, for THEIR failure to compensate you for a military-duty injury. God will hold the individuals responsible for the decision to not compensate you accountable !

  And Jesus Himself said, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's."

  OF COURSE, we are not to obey any law which clashes with GOD'S commands, but otherwise, we are obeying Him by obeying the man-made law. And there's nothing wrong with trying to change a law of man's, or trying to have a tax removed, long as it's done "within the rules".

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  The NUMBER of the beast was revealed long ago in the Revelation, & it's 666. Now, we must figure out what system of gematria to use.

  The beast isn't yet manifest. He will be of Roman descent, which means he could come from anywhere, as the descendants of the Romans are all over the world. I believe he will come from "nowhere", as Napoleon & Hitler did, becoming an unimportant official in some nation in Europe, til he almost-suddenly begins to quietly gain power. I believe a huge boost for him will be when he brokers a peace settlement between the Jews and PLO & other Moslem enemies, causing them all to disarm & Israel becoming "a land of unwalled villages". (The peace won't last, of course!)
  And the RCC will help boost him into power, as it did Hitler, and, like Hitler, he will turn on it when its usefulness to him is over.

The "another beast" of Rev.13:11 will be the Devil himself, here on earth, working those great signs and miracles to deceive. The majority of my Christian brethren are not prepared for it.

God's Word reveals it will be Satan literally doing those things here on earth at the end. One just has to stop listening to men's doctrines and instead stay in God's Word as written.

In Rev.12:7 forward, we were told about the "dragon", that when that war in Heaven happens there will be no more place found for him 'in heaven'. There is only one other place he can go, and that is on earth into OUR dimension. This is why that Rev.12 Scripture warns those on earth with a Woe when he and his angels are cast out of the heavenly to our earth.

Many don't understand this because they don't pay attention in God's Word that defines only 2 dimensions of existence, this earthly one we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels live, including where Satan's abode is with the wicked in a place of separation from God.

The Rev.13:4-8 Scripture shows it is that "dragon" (Satan) that the whole world will worship, except for those in Christ whose names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. No flesh born man could ever deceive that much of the world unless he were a supernatural entity.
The devil's doctrine that the Antichrist has to be a 'man', purposefully trying to create a requirement that he be a flesh-born man, is also a doctrine of men's traditions. The image of man originated with God's Own Image in the Heavenly per Genesis 1. Archangel Gabriel's name means 'man of God'. Thus Satan has the image of man also, and Ezekiel 28 points to God having made Satan the full pattern of beauty.

The beast in Revelation that 'ascends' up out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition is Satan himself. Only Satan and his angels are already judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". No flesh man has been judged and sentenced to perish yet, not even Judas, because that time for the Judgment won't happen until after the thousand years reign of Rev.20 by Christ and His elect.

This is really simple IF one stays in God's Word.

If you watch the video, you will see what the number of the beast it. It's pretty clear.

Quote from: BCHYH on Thu Apr 09, 2020 - 19:00:14
If you watch the video, you will see what the number of the beast it. It's pretty clear.

  What's pretty clear is that the video is horse feathers. The nonsense started with his saying that Rev. 13:18 indicates the number of MEN, not A MAN. The Greek here is anthropos, singular, meaning a male person. The greek for mankind in general is different words. Your video maker does not know more than the scores of Bible translators, old & new, who rendered that verse as "number of A MAN."

  Freemasonry is but one of many orgs that practice witchcraft, the Rosicrucians & Wiccans being a coupla more. And witchcraft is but one of the specific sins God condemns in the NT. Another is homosexuality; yet another is drug abuse. (The Greek pharmacopeia is often rendered 'sorceries' or 'witchcraft', which is condemned separately. That Greek word actually means DRUG USE, and, as medicinal drug use has been done for millenia with no condemnation from God, this can only indicate drug ABUSE. remember, drunkenness is also condemned, & drug abuse is a form of it.)

  Yes, the 'beast' will be one man, whom the RCC will help to attain power. This man will turn on the RCC when he has no more use for them. In the late 1930s, the SDA & others believed Hitler was that man, as the RCC's Reichstag delegates had passed the "Enabling Act", giving Hitler near-absolute power in Germany.  Keeping with the possible multiple fulfillment of some prophecies, Napoleon & Hitler mighta been "types" of the 'beast', but the true antichrist will make them seem as naughty toddlers in comparison.

  Now, I don't doubt that those who take the marka the beast will be devoted to him, but I firmly believe that mark will be some sorta implanted microchip. The tech already exists, but very few would take it now, due to the general knowledge about the beast's mark. However, after the rapture, there'll be next-to-no opposition to it, & the beast will have an explanation for the disappearance of millions that the world will accept.

 

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun Apr 12, 2020 - 08:53:02
  What's pretty clear is that the video is horse feathers. The nonsense started with his saying that Rev. 13:18 indicates the number of MEN, not A MAN. The Greek here is anthropos, singular, meaning a male person. The greek for mankind in general is different words. Your video maker does not know more than the scores of Bible translators, old & new, who rendered that verse as "number of A MAN."

  Freemasonry is but one of many orgs that practice witchcraft, the Rosicrucians & Wiccans being a coupla more. And witchcraft is but one of the specific sins God condemns in the NT. Another is homosexuality; yet another is drug abuse. (The Greek pharmacopeia is often rendered 'sorceries' or 'witchcraft', which is condemned separately. That Greek word actually means DRUG USE, and, as medicinal drug use has been done for millenia with no condemnation from God, this can only indicate drug ABUSE. remember, drunkenness is also condemned, & drug abuse is a form of it.)

  Yes, the 'beast' will be one man, whom the RCC will help to attain power. This man will turn on the RCC when he has no more use for them. In the late 1930s, the SDA & others believed Hitler was that man, as the RCC's Reichstag delegates had passed the "Enabling Act", giving Hitler near-absolute power in Germany.  Keeping with the possible multiple fulfillment of some prophecies, Napoleon & Hitler mighta been "types" of the 'beast', but the true antichrist will make them seem as naughty toddlers in comparison.

  Now, I don't doubt that those who take the marka the beast will be devoted to him, but I firmly believe that mark will be some sorta implanted microchip. The tech already exists, but very few would take it now, due to the general knowledge about the beast's mark. However, after the rapture, there'll be next-to-no opposition to it, & the beast will have an explanation for the disappearance of millions that the world will accept.

Your theory doesn't make sense, and it never has because it's a lie. What I've shared makes perfect sense. Nice wolf avatar, by the way.

  So, you believe the angel Gabriel told Daniel lies, & that Paul & the angel of Revelation also lied ?

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Is it 42?

It's 47

Quote from: BCHYH on Thu Apr 16, 2020 - 08:08:54
Your theory doesn't make sense, and it never has because it's a lie. What I've shared makes perfect sense. Nice wolf avatar, by the way.

  No, yours doesn't agree with SCRIPTURE.

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666 - false trinity (human created day number 6) - the Pharisees ' leaven of idols of they-self. Free-masons are inside this self-idolization too.

Quote from: BCHYH on Thu Apr 16, 2020 - 08:08:54
Your theory doesn't make sense, and it never has because it's a lie. What I've shared makes perfect sense. Nice wolf avatar, by the way.

  No, yours is a man-made invention. Scripture never mentions anything but ONE MAN being the AC/beast; same for the false prophet.

Long time ago, before I had actually studied God's Word with discipline, I used to believe the 666 number in Rev.13 applied to a man that had to mean a born religious leader tyrant. It was easy to get wrapped up in all sorts of number counting techniques and such, which was nothing but ignorant speculation designed to lead away from the truth that God's Word directly reveals.
Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV