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 A type is an acted out prophecy. It is as truly prophetic as is a spoken prophecy, and had equal value with spoken prophecy in directing the faith of the Israelites to the coming salvation.

For example, in the fifty-third chapter of Isaiah is given a spoken prophecy vividly portraying the vicarious suffering of Christ. At the altar in the tabernacle the same great truths were daily predicted both morning and evening in the harmless, innocent lamb, its substitutionary death for another, and the sprinkling of its blood before God.

The sacrificial system of Israel was considered by New Testament writers to be typical of the perfect and final sacrifice of Christ. When John the Baptist saw Yeshua coming toward him he said:

    The next day he saw Yeshua coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29 ESV

The blood of every innocent victim, and the faith of every Old Covenant offerer were now made efficacious through the offering up of the perfect Lamb of God for the sin of the world. Without His coming, the Old Covenant sacrifices would have been meaningless and worthless.

Let me give you a couple interpretative principles that we need to keep in mind as we study types:

1. It must be recognized that types are grounded in real history; the people, places, events, etc. were deliberately chosen by God to prepare for the coming of the Christian system.

2. There is a graduation from type to antitype; of the lesser to the greater; from the material to the spiritual; the earthly to the heavenly.

    Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45 ESV

Here Paul is talking about Adam, who he calls a type:

    Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. Romans 5:14 ESV

Then speaking of Adam and Christ Paul says:

    But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:46 ESV

So the type is natural, earthly, material, and the anti-type is spiritual, heavenly and the fulfillment or reality.

Now with that being said, what I want you to understand, and what is critical that we understand, is that: National, ethnic Israel was a type. Understanding this is crucial to understanding Scripture.

Dispensationalism misses this very important point and thus tries to keep separate the type and anti-type. The people of Israel themselves were a type. The nation itself, as God's special people, was typical of the true people of God. It was "physical Israel," but Paul describes Christian believers as "Spiritual Israel." National Israel was divinely ordained to resemble Spiritual Israel. The physical seed of Abraham typified the spiritual seed of Abraham, and some of the promises made to his seed were not fulfilled at all to his physical seed, but, as Paul teaches in Romans 4, only to his spiritual children. Physical Israel as a type of spiritual Israel is constantly set forth by Paul in the Roman and Galatian letters.

And understanding that the nation of Israel was a type, we won't be surprised to find that Israel's sacrifices, priesthood, Temple, and land also had typical significance.

Dispensationalism puts great emphasis on a rebuilt Temple and priesthood because they fail to see these as types. Physical Israel was a type and so was the tabernacle:

    They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, "See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain." Hebrews 8:5 ESV

The tabernacle was a type. What is the anti-type? Yeshua is the anti-type:

    Yeshua answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:19 ESV

Yeshua replaces the Temple itself. Yeshua is the anti-type of the Temple. The Temple represented the presence of God among His children in the early days, so Christ is described in:

    And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 ESV

The word "dwelt" here is skenoo, which means: "a tent." Yeshua came and pitched His tent or tabernacled among us. Notice what Peter says to the Jewish leaders:

    let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Yeshua the Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. Acts 4:10 ESV

Now notice what Peter says of Christ:

    This Yeshua is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. Acts 4:11 ESV

Yeshua is the cornerstone upon which the spiritual house of God was built.

https://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/topical/the-typology-of-israel.htm

  The type of the abomination of desolation was Antiochus Epiphanes' desecration of the temple. This will be done again in much greater measure by the 'beast' & the false prophet after the beast attains power.

Quote from: robycop3 on Tue May 12, 2020 - 17:20:13
  The type of the abomination of desolation was Antiochus Epiphanes' desecration of the temple. This will be done again in much greater measure by the 'beast' & the false prophet after the beast attains power.

A type in the O.T is fulfilled in the antitype in the N.T.

Good example!  Antiochus E. was the "type" in the O.T. whereas many scholars, even partial preterists agree on the antitype in the N.T.     

Augustine (379)
"Luke, to show that the abomination spoken of by Daniel will take place when Jerusalem is captured, recalls these words of the Lord in the same context: When you shall see Jerusalem compassed about with an army, then know that the desolation thereof is at hand (xxi. 20). For Luke very clearly bears witness that the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled when Jerusalem was overthrown." (vol. 6, p. 170)

Albert Barnes (1832)
"This is a Hebrew expression, meaning an abominable or hateful destroyer. The Gentiles were all held in abomination by the Jews. Ac. x. 28. The abomination of desolation means the Roman army, and is so explained by Lu, xxi. 20. The Roman army is further called the abomination on account of the images of the emperor, and the eagles, carried in front of the legions, and regarded by the Romans with divine honours" (p. 254)

These are just a couple of examples among many.
And so, Church history speaks for itself in that AOD was fulfilled with the Romans in AD70.

So Preterism is the truth again!

Quote from: lea on Tue May 12, 2020 - 18:06:20
A type in the O.T is fulfilled in the antitype in the N.T.

Good example!  Antiochus E. was the "type" in the O.T. whereas many scholars, even partial preterists agree on the antitype in the N.T.     

Augustine (379)
"Luke, to show that the abomination spoken of by Daniel will take place when Jerusalem is captured, recalls these words of the Lord in the same context: When you shall see Jerusalem compassed about with an army, then know that the desolation thereof is at hand (xxi. 20). For Luke very clearly bears witness that the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled when Jerusalem was overthrown." (vol. 6, p. 170)

Albert Barnes (1832)
"This is a Hebrew expression, meaning an abominable or hateful destroyer. The Gentiles were all held in abomination by the Jews. Ac. x. 28. The abomination of desolation means the Roman army, and is so explained by Lu, xxi. 20. The Roman army is further called the abomination on account of the images of the emperor, and the eagles, carried in front of the legions, and regarded by the Romans with divine honours" (p. 254)

These are just a couple of examples among many.
And so, Church history speaks for itself in that AOD was fulfilled with the Romans in AD70.

So Preterism is the truth again!

  Quoting silliness does not make it less-silly.

The AOD will be when the antichrist & false prophet set up the AC's statue in the new temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem, & the AC will enter the temple & declare himself to be God. (That would be an abomination if it were done in a sewer tunnel.)

Quote from: robycop3 on Wed May 13, 2020 - 04:56:59
  Quoting silliness does not make it less-silly.

The AOD will be when the antichrist & false prophet set up the AC's statue in the new temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem, & the AC will enter the temple & declare himself to be God. (That would be an abomination if it were done in a sewer tunnel.)

16Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, and you are that temple....(1Cor. 3:16,17)

Guess you missed the Gospel message robycop3.

Quote from: lea on Fri May 15, 2020 - 20:36:27

16Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, and you are that temple....(1Cor. 3:16,17)

Guess you missed the Gospel message robycop3.

  And I guess you kinda forgot that the man of sin can't enter THAT temple. It'll hafta be a building.

Quote from: robycop3 on Sat May 16, 2020 - 07:02:26
  And I guess you kinda forgot that the man of sin can't enter THAT temple. It'll hafta be a building.

As I said,  you missed the Gospel message.

Quote from: lea on Sat May 16, 2020 - 11:57:22
As I said,  you missed the Gospel message.

  Not at all. That message is that Jesus is God's Son, & is also Himself God, is our only savior from the penalty of our sins, & is the only Forgiver of our sins. And we must come to Him in repentance for our sins, belief in His Person & Divinity, and faith in Him, though we've never seen Him, & come to Him in submission.

  And part of that faith is believing every word He said & caused to be preserved for us to read. His Olivet Discourse was meant as much for us as it was for His disciples. And His Revelation was for all Christians from that day forward.

  Time for you to abandon the garbage of Preston, Gentry, etc. & focus on what JESUS said & had written & preserved for us !

Quote from: robycop3 on Sat May 16, 2020 - 14:56:14
  Not at all. That message is that Jesus is God's Son, & is also Himself God, is our only savior from the penalty of our sins, & is the only Forgiver of our sins. And we must come to Him in repentance for our sins, belief in His Person & Divinity, and faith in Him, though we've never seen Him, & come to Him in submission.

  And part of that faith is believing every word He said & caused to be preserved for us to read. His Olivet Discourse was meant as much for us as it was for His disciples. And His Revelation was for all Christians from that day forward.

  Time for you to abandon the garbage of Preston, Gentry, etc. & focus on what JESUS said & had written & preserved for us !

Nice generality of the Faith!  I'm speaking about the Gospel, the things included in the Gospel!So you confessed Jesus and then you listened to Eschatology sermons on Revelation it looks like!

No, I was referring to your claims about some Jewish temple in your doomsday view.

You missed the Gospel message for starters from St. Paul, St.John, and more.
A Temple in the Lord
Eph.3:19-21,
19Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens of the saints and members of God's household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord....
Berean Study Bible


16Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, and you are that temple....(1Cor. 3:16,17)

  The Jews WILL build a new temple in J when God's time comes. Even though it won't REALLY be a "temple of God" as Jesus won't be worshipped in it, the world will view it as a temple of God.

  The AOD didn't occur in the old one, so a new one will be built.

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun May 17, 2020 - 09:19:08
  The Jews WILL build a new temple in J when God's time comes. Even though it won't REALLY be a "temple of God" as Jesus won't be worshipped in it, the world will view it as a temple of God.

  The AOD didn't occur in the old one, so a new one will be built.

Such is the stupidity of dispensationalism/Zionism in Christianity

Quote from: lea on Sun May 17, 2020 - 13:14:38
Such is the stupidity of dispensationalism/Zionism in Christianity

It's in the BIBLE.

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun May 17, 2020 - 16:48:15
It's in the BIBLE.

What a lame answer.

Quote from: lea on Mon May 18, 2020 - 12:08:55
What a lame answer.

So you don't believe the Bible cuz a pret didn't write it ?

Quote from: robycop3 on Mon May 18, 2020 - 16:31:02
So you don't believe the Bible cuz a pret didn't write it ?

FYI, Jesus and the apostles were Preterists.  Their prophecies came true within the designated time.

Quote from: lea on Mon May 18, 2020 - 18:33:40
FYI, Jesus and the apostles were Preterists.  Their prophecies came true within the designated time.

NOT the stand alone ones in the book of Revelation.

But I know you are fixed in your mind.

So am I.

I, at least, do read what you say and I look into it.

Just so much blatherskite in "making things fit."

Rella, could you tell me what you mean by "stand-alone prophecies" in Revelation?  Are you trying to establish that no other OT or NT scriptures say anything at all about Revelation's predictions?  If I'm understanding you correctly, I find that astounding, if you have formed that opinion.

Quote from: lea on Mon May 18, 2020 - 18:33:40
FYI, Jesus and the apostles were Preterists.  Their prophecies came true within the designated time.

  And so will the others.

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun May 24, 2020 - 13:21:07
  And so will the others.

But Jesus and the apostles trumps all your "others"

Quote from: lea on Mon May 25, 2020 - 12:49:57
But Jesus and the apostles trumps all your "others"

Well, besides the new ones they gave, they simply added to or clarified previous prophecies. And the eschatological prophecies will be fulfilled when God's time comes.

Quote from: robycop3 on Mon May 25, 2020 - 13:18:19
  Well, besides the new ones they gave, they simply added to or clarified previous prophecies. And the eschatological prophecies will be fulfilled when God's time comes.

Learn to give credit to the apostles and first disciples first.

It was written TO them. They are the pioneers and champions on which Christians are indebted to.

Don't give me your 21 century interpretation of what God has determined in the Bible already.

IOWS, you bite can bite it big time!

Quote from: 3 Resurrections on Tue May 19, 2020 - 07:15:40
Rella, could you tell me what you mean by "stand-alone prophecies" in Revelation?  Are you trying to establish that no other OT or NT scriptures say anything at all about Revelation's predictions?  If I'm understanding you correctly, I find that astounding, if you have formed that opinion.

Not at all. By stand alone I merely mean that if you had only the single book of Revelation to read, it is fairly clear on what it says without the need to cross reference with other scripture.

Certainly OT and NT prophesies and predictions are all important, but if you had only one book Rev is it. Therefore it is a stand alone,or could be.

Quote from: Rella on Wed May 27, 2020 - 17:58:08
Not at all. By stand alone I merely mean that if you had only the single book of Revelation to read, it is fairly clear on what it says without the need to cross reference with other scripture.

Certainly OT and NT prophesies and predictions are all important, but if you had only one book Rev is it. Therefore it is a stand alone,or could be.

It's not a stand alone book. It's the proof of God's new covenant in Christ.

It's about the apostate Jews and a description of the covenant curses to come upon them. At the same time the remnant of faithful Jews and gentile Christians who would receive "immortal" souls in the twinkling of an eye.

Do you understand what I am talking about. Rella?

Quote from: lea on Wed May 27, 2020 - 18:15:47
It's not a stand alone book. It's the proof of God's new covenant in Christ.

It's about the apostate Jews and a description of the covenant curses to come upon them. At the same time the remnant of faithful Jews and gentile Christians who would receive "immortal" souls in the twinkling of an eye.

Do you understand what I am talking about. Rella?

You don't know what you are talking about because what you have said is applicable to Jesus' future coming.

However.......
If you handed out copies of the book of Revelation to the next 50 people,(possibly with a study guide so they would know some of what they were reading)  do you think they would need anything else to understand what you say when you say
" It's the proof of God's new covenant in Christ.

It's about the apostate Jews and a description of the covenant curses to come upon them. At the same time the remnant of faithful Jews and gentile Christians who would receive "immortal" souls in the twinkling of an eye."

I don't. I say, with understanding of Revelation by either study, or explanation, it is all one needs to understand the unfolding of end times.

That makes it stand alone.

Quote from: Rella on Wed May 27, 2020 - 19:23:27
You don't know what you are talking about because what you have said is applicable to Jesus' future coming.

However.......
If you handed out copies of the book of Revelation to the next 50 people,(possibly with a study guide so they would know some of what they were reading)  do you think they would need anything else to understand what you say when you say
" It's the proof of God's new covenant in Christ.

It's about the apostate Jews and a description of the covenant curses to come upon them. At the same time the remnant of faithful Jews and gentile Christians who would receive "immortal" souls in the twinkling of an eye."

I don't. I say, with understanding of Revelation by either study, or explanation, it is all one needs to understand the unfolding of end times.

That makes it stand alone.

Your the one who is gullible and naive about Israel's end time.

1Cor.15:
50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality,g then the saying that is written will come to pass: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."h

55"Where, O Death, is your victory?

Where, O Death, is your sting?"i

56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast and immovable. Always excel in the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Don't try to enlist another to counter preterism because you cannot think for yourself, Rella!

At Christ's return, the resurrection of the dead from Hades and the Sea were raised to heaven or not.
The living gained "immortal" souls in the twinkling of an eye.  That is because Jesus conquered spiritual death for us. "Then death and Hades was thrown into the Lake of Fire."

  I believe rella's doing pretty good at proving you wrong.

  Wanna prove us both wrong ? All you hafta do is post some irrefutable historical documentation that the antichrist "beast/man of sin", along with a powerful false prophet, have ruled the world, that the plagues of the great trib written in Revelation have already occurred, and that JESUS HAS RETURNED, SEEN BY ALL, as He said.

Quote from: robycop3 on Sat May 30, 2020 - 17:26:33
  I believe rella's doing pretty good at proving you wrong.

  Wanna prove us both wrong ? All you hafta do is post some irrefutable historical documentation that the antichrist "beast/man of sin", along with a powerful false prophet, have ruled the world, that the plagues of the great trib written in Revelation have already occurred, and that JESUS HAS RETURNED, SEEN BY ALL, as He said.

2 wrongs don't make a right!

Quote from: lea on Sat May 30, 2020 - 13:33:01
Your the one who is gullible and naive about Israel's end time.

1Cor.15:
50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality,g then the saying that is written will come to pass: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."h

55"Where, O Death, is your victory?

Where, O Death, is your sting?"i

56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast and immovable. Always excel in the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Don't try to enlist another to counter preterism because you cannot think for yourself, Rella!

At Christ's return, the resurrection of the dead from Hades and the Sea were raised to heaven or not.
The living gained "immortal" souls in the twinkling of an eye.  That is because Jesus conquered spiritual death for us. "Then death and Hades was thrown into the Lake of Fire."

Who has enlisted anyone? Certainly not I.

Oh, excuse me. I do use the holy words of God's as my support. That means I enlist God, Himself.

The very word's you twist to suit yourself.

It has not happened.

You have no proof.

I,no one else, took you through Rev 12: vs 1 - 12 and you twisted things to make your point rather then read things as they are written which proves in that book that chapter 12 where Satan is on earth for a little while is when he was tossed out of heaven, and NOT after the 1000 years of his being bound. It is totally clear.

I know you did not read that reply because if you had you could not possibly have
twisted things as badly as you did.

You saw the basic subject matter and then ran to your bookmarks or files for a reply that you did not come up with yourself...or maybe a quick Google search for a Preterists response .

As to what you say above Israels end time.

Here is the proof for all to know that you do not understand what you read. There has not been one time I ever have talked of or hinted at Israels end time. I have only used them in incorporating what their beliefs are in conjunction with God's plans for Christians.

They cannot be separated out of the mix. But I do not expect you to understand.

Your 1 Cor 15 verses tell us what?I have no clue why you posted them a they are not
descriptive of Israels end, nor do the include a temple destruction.

These:
56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast and immovable. Always excel in the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Have absolutely nothing to do with your temple destruction views, or the end of Israel.

Why did you post them? What are you trying to say...that because non messianic Jews do not believe in Jesus as savior that they will die?

Or that it you believe they only apply to those who believe that the temple was destroyed in 70 AD?

Random scriptures to no asked question.......

I will anxiously await your answer.

I remain

Your Zionist PITA

The 1,000 years is prophetic meaning God's"fullness"

At least Augustine was right about Amillennialism. 


Don't be so jealous of the books Preterists have read.

Your answering on emotions, not with wisdom of the Scriptures!

Quote from: lea on Sat May 30, 2020 - 19:51:45
The 1,000 years is prophetic meaning God's"fullness"

At least Augustine was right about Amillennialism. 


Don't be so jealous of the books Preterists have read.

Your answering on emotions, not with wisdom of the Scriptures!

Christians have the bible. It is all we need.

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Wow, Rella, you really do freak out because you can't stand (and are not able) to give your own exegesis of Scripture. But hold on to the old, tired, proved wrong "religious" group thunk.

Relax, go ride a bike like I do!