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 I believe that it is important to  know as it proves when the Body of  Christ began .

It also means that Paul and  Peters gospels were never the same .

 Here is how, I prove  how Paul was saved and why Paul is the  PATTERN  of salvation for today , in  1  Tim 1:16 !

 Acts 9:6

 Rom 10:9 and 10

 

  And 1  Cor 3  show that Paul received the  Holy  Spirit >

 dan p

Quote from: dan p on Tue Aug 17, 2021 - 19:12:02
I believe that it is important to  know as it proves when the Body of  Christ began .

It also means that Paul and  Peters gospels were never the same .

Here is how, I prove  how Paul was saved and why Paul is the  PATTERN  of salvation for today , in  1  Tim 1:16 !

Acts 9:6

Rom 10:9 and 10

And 1  Cor 12:3

  And 1  Cor 3  show that Paul received the  Holy  Spirit >

dan p

You do err not knowing the scriptures and know how to rightly divide them.

Quote from: JESUS CHRISTMatthew 22:29~"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."

The question that should be asked is: When did Paul received the KNOWLEDGE he had the Spirit of God indwelling him. Also, when did the Spirit of God take up His abode IN PAUL?

And  1  Cor 12:3  answers that question .

dan p

Did Paul receive the Holy Spirit?

Quote from: jd01 on Wed Mar 09, 2022 - 16:28:20
Did Paul receive the Holy Spirit?

Yes.

And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.  And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. (Act 9:17-18)

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Mon Mar 14, 2022 - 19:31:55
Yes.

And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.  And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. (Act 9:17-18)

That an interesting scripture~"mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost" for SURE Paul was going to receive his sight immediately ~being FILLED with the Holy Ghost is a WORK which believers must CONSTANTLY labor to be filled with the Spirit, which is done by walking in the Spirit and taking heed to God's commandments!

The Pentecostals and the Faith movement among the Pentecostals have a "short-cut" for one to be filled with the Spirit, with evidence of "speaking in an unknown tongue"~yet NOWHERE in the epistles is a lesson given whereby the apostles instructed NT believers to be filled with the Spirit other than laboring to keep God's commandments of living a holy life exhibiting the life of Jesus Christ THROUGH US.

QuoteGalatians 5:14-25~"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.  But the fruit of the Spirit (notice what is NOT mention......."UNKNOWN TONGUES"! that's a short-cut of being FILLED with the Spirit invented by the Pentecostals ~RB) is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's (or Spirit-filled~RB)  have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

All of God's children said ~AMEN, and AMEN!

Being filled with the Spirit is WORK, and does not come without laboring in keeping God's commandments done so by walking in love for God and man.

Quote from: RB on Tue Mar 15, 2022 - 03:12:55
That an interesting scripture~"mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost" for SURE Paul was going to receive his sight immediately ~being FILLED with the Holy Ghost is a WORK which believers must CONSTANTLY labor to be filled with the Spirit, which is done by walking in the Spirit and taking heed to God's commandments!

The Pentecostals and the Faith movement among the Pentecostals have a "short-cut" for one to be filled with the Spirit, with evidence of "speaking in an unknown tongue"~yet NOWHERE in the epistles is a lesson given whereby the apostles instructed NT believers to be filled with the Spirit other than laboring to keep God's commandments of living a holy life exhibiting the life of Jesus Christ THROUGH US. All of God's children said ~AMEN, and AMEN!

Being filled with the Spirit is WORK, and does not come without laboring in keeping God's commandments done so by walking in love for God and man.

I have never heard anyone call it a work.  Where are you getting that?

The Bible indicates that God bestows the Spirit as a seal on believers and an earnest on our inheritance (Eph 1).  That makes it an act of God; not man.

As for evidence of the Spirit, this verse exists:

1Co 12:7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

I think if you read the whole chapter, you will find that the point is that there are diverse manifestations of the Spirit.  Tongues is one of them, not the ONLY one, and in fact is among the least important gifts.  Part of Paul's purpose in writing the book is to tell the Corinthians to stop abusing tongues, and focus on the "best gifts."

Jarrod

Please do not make the same mistake of Classical Pentecostalism of confusing Spirit Within and Spirit Upon.

Quote from: DaveW on Wed Mar 16, 2022 - 07:14:33
Please do not make the same mistake of Classical Pentecostalism of confusing Spirit Within and Spirit Upon.

Was that for the OP or me?

Actually neither of us used either of those words. 

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Mar 16, 2022 - 15:43:50
Was that for the OP or me?
Actually neither of us used either of those words. 

No, not precisely.  Red said this:

QuoteThe Pentecostals and the Faith movement among the Pentecostals have a "short-cut" for one to be filled with the Spirit, with evidence of "speaking in an unknown tongue"

It was a general statement to everyone.

"Filled" is Spirit Within.  But the gifts (including tongues) are a matter of Spirit Upon.

Quote from: DaveW on Wed Mar 16, 2022 - 07:14:33
Please do not make the same mistake of Classical Pentecostalism of confusing Spirit Within and Spirit Upon.

It is probably better to think of the different roles of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers as the indwelling Holy Spirit and the empowering Holy Spirit. All who believe, repent and are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ receive the indwelling (the gift of) the Holy Spirit.  Only a special few ever received the empowering Holy Spirit.  Paul, received the indwelling Holy Spirit upon being baptized by Ananias in Damascus three days after having encountered Jesus on his travel to Damascus (Acts 9:1-18). We are not told when Paul received the empowering Holy Spirit, but it seems likely that occurred some time after his conversion in Damascus and during his journey to Arabia and return to Damascus (Gal 1:11-24).

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Mar 17, 2022 - 05:11:21No, not precisely.  Red said this:It was a general statement to everyone.

"Filled" is Spirit Within.  But the gifts (including tongues) are a matter of Spirit Upon.

And   in   Acts 13:9   reads  But   Saul  ,  the  one  called Paul ,  having  been  filled  HOLY   SPIRIT .

Please   notice   that  the  WORD    WITH  is   NOT   in  the   Greek  text .

Please   notice   the  DEFINITE   ARTICLE ,  ORD  " THE "  is   not   before   the  words   HOLY SPIRIT .

The   bible  is  seen   two   ways !!

#1 The   Holy  Spirit !!

#2   by  ,  THE   HOLY  SPIRIT !!

 Why   is  it  written  2 different  ways ??

Your   thoughts ?

dan p