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QuoteThe Mammoth Factor: Why Prehistoric Animals Were So Big

Super-sized animals dominated the Pleistocene era and dated back as far as the dinosaurs — but hardly exist on Earth today.

Skeletons of dinosaurs, mastodons, and mammoths fill archaeology museums around the world in awe-inspiring displays of massive size. These animals are recognized as megafauna, some weighing well over a metric ton.

The fossil record reveals accurate evidence of a mass extinction of Pleistocene megafauna near the end of the last Ice Age. A few of these species included the cave bear, the straight-tusked elephant, wooly rhinoceros, mammoth, the giant ground sloth, and the giant deer.

Scientists have long theorized the reasoning behind the impressive size of these animals and their subsequent extinction. Some surmise these animals boasted large sizes due to a greater concentration of oxygen in the atmosphere and more topographical space due to massive undeveloped land masses. Many scientists equate their massive size to evolutionary adaptations due to increasing competition, an idea that was transformed into a widely accepted theory.

A paleontologist named Edward Cope is responsible for the officially recognized Cope's Rule. The concept suggests that competition between members of the same species evolutionarily creates larger animals over time.

Cope's Rule also states that subsequent extinction of the same species is due to the same evolutionary adaptation — a limitation of resources created as larger animals dominate environments and require higher energy consumption. In addition, inevitably extended reproductive cycles made them more susceptible to environmental changes and a concurrent lack of ability for adaptation.

Scientific opposition to Cope's Rule is centered around unexplained lineages that persist in the opposite direction.

Other likely theories for the extinction of these massive prehistoric animals include the negative impact of humans, climatic change, and widespread epidemics.

Never mind of course biblical testimony which addresses an answers this question just fine. The large animals themselves being more evidence backing up scriptural testimonies. The bible speaks of giants and giant creatures, even probably dinosaurs. Moses refers to the giants of the antediluvian world as well. The scriptures themselves also testifying that the world before the flood was very different from this one. These folks are simply among those ever learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth, because they have rejected the truths of scripture, and go about seeking to establish their own "truths". Truths based upon self wisdom as to were. The wisdom of this world.

1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

https://news.realpressglobal.com/customs-officials-find-giant-snail-fossils-from-late-cretaceous-period-in-the-post/

Add giant snails to the list. Quoted article below from link above.

QuoteCustoms Officials Find Giant Snail Fossils From Late Cretaceous Period In The Post

This is the moment Chinese customs officials find two incredibly beautiful paleontological fossils from the Late Cretaceous period in the post.

The incident was filmed at Hangzhou International Airport in the city of Hangzhou located in the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang.

The fossils were of the extinct species Placenticeras meeki, an ammonite species from the Late Cretaceous period.

The giant snail carnivores lived in the oceans between 65 and 400 million years ago.

Customs officials at Hangzhou International Airport said it was the first time they had seized paleontological fossils in the post before.

The two fossil products have been handed over to the anti-smuggling department for investigation.

Customs officials said a company wanted to send a batch of express packages and declared the contents as glass ornaments for home decoration.

However, during the X-ray, officials noticed that the contents appeared different to the declared goods and opened the boxes to inspect them.

They found two colourful disc-shaped fossils that seemed different to typical glass ornaments and suspected they were archaeological.

The two items were later confirmed to be Placenticeras meeki fossils from the Late Cretaceous period.

An investigation was opened after the sender broke Article 33 regarding the transit and protection of archaeological artifacts.

The good side of governments and institutions controlling fossil finds and destinations is the prevention of them just disappearing into private collections. The bad side is them disappearing or being destroyed by said governments or institutions, when they do not fit the narratives being preached by them. Giant fossilized creatures of the past everywhere, which cannot be hidden. Historical reports of giant human bones and fossils from all over the world throughout history, but very few actual fossils, bones, or remains to be seen. Hmmmm? Such could be easily dismissed perhaps, if in fact giant human remains would not be so detrimental to the prevailing narrative of evolution. With cases of fraud and coverups by professed evolutionists revealed in the past, not to mention the ever evolving nature of the theory itself, having proved its own claims wrong many times over already. 

Why would governments destroy such revolutionary archeological finds?

Quote from: Alan on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:15:09
Why would governments destroy such revolutionary archeological finds?

Really? Is this to say governments are not agenda driven. Is this what the history of this world testifies regarding government control and manipulation?

Quote from: Amo on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:13:15
https://news.realpressglobal.com/customs-officials-find-giant-snail-fossils-from-late-cretaceous-period-in-the-post/

Add giant snails to the list. Quoted article below from link above.

The good side of governments and institutions controlling fossil finds and destinations is the prevention of them just disappearing into private collections. The bad side is them disappearing or being destroyed by said governments or institutions, when they do not fit the narratives being preached by them. Giant fossilized creatures of the past everywhere, which cannot be hidden. Historical reports of giant human bones and fossils from all over the world throughout history, but very few actual fossils, bones, or remains to be seen. Hmmmm? Such could be easily dismissed perhaps, if in fact giant human remains would not be so detrimental to the prevailing narrative of evolution. With cases of fraud and coverups by professed evolutionists revealed in the past, not to mention the ever evolving nature of the theory itself, having proved its own claims wrong many times over already.

Amo,

Just a quick question.

You are a creationist believing that it is all covered in the four corners of the bible, is that correct.

Then how do you explain some of the things you post?

Do you think they all roamed the earth pre-flood at some point between "In the beginning" and Noah building that ark?

Quote from: Amo on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:17:10
Really? Is this to say governments are not agenda driven. Is this what the history of this world testifies regarding government control and manipulation?

The agenda in this case would be "look what we've found!", being the first to uncover a rare find is something governments strive for, and part of the reason archaeologists still receive limited funding.

https://www.nature.com/articles/4601067b

Article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

QuoteFossil protection law comes under fire

Palaeontologists aim to clamp down on illegal trade.

Chinese palaeontologists met government officials in Beijing last week to lobby for strict federal control of fossil specimens. The researchers are working to get changes incorporated into a draft law released in March by the Legislative Office of the State Council, which advises China's leaders, and the Ministry of Land and Resources.

As China has experimented with private enterprise, poor farmers have burrowed into hillsides, uncovering fossils from the Cretaceous to the Jurassic that have rewritten the palaeontological literature. With international traders paying tens of thousands of dollars for important finds, provincial officials have fought with the federal government for control over permits to dig and regulate the bounty.

Yet many scientists inside and outside China fear that the proposed federal law may foster the rampant trade in illegal fossil specimens. Zhou Zhonghe, director of the Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology in Beijing, and other researchers have proposed several changes. These would include giving the land and resources ministry authority over vertebrate fossil collections, and setting up a national panel of palaeontologists to regulate the collections on a nationwide level. "I think many of our suggestions will be adopted," Zhou says.

The law isn't expected to be finalized until early next year. The process is being watched closely by researchers worldwide who collaborate with Chinese palaeontologists. "I am in complete support of the Chinese government and academic institutions trying to clarify the laws to protect their tremendous fossil heritage," says palaeontologist Mark Norell of the American Museum of Natural History in New York.

Palaeontologist Gao Keqin, of Peking University, remains deeply concerned. He says that recent versions of the draft law would not prevent provincial officials from blocking research by demanding large sums from scientists.

"The current situation is problematic because local jurisdictions with rightful interests but only a vague understanding of the scientific value of fossils can unilaterally stop legitimate scientific exploration," says James Clark, a palaeontologist at George Washington University in Washington DC.

Many provinces built palaeontological museums in the hope of tapping the tourist trade, but fossil smugglers often use them as a front to buy and sell specimens. "Fossils require an institution with staff educated in curation and preservation," says Clark. "But few places in China have these facilities."

"I hope the new law will let us protect the fossil heritage," says Zhou.

I have already posted somewhere on these boards, about the legal battle Creationist scientists had to fight, in order to have access to certain areas to collect or observe evidence supporting their theory. They were singled out because their observations and conclusions do not go along with the mainstream narratives of evolution. This is a no brainer. People simply do not like to be wrong, or proved wrong. History is filled with attempted coverups concerning a great many things. Government and institutional control have of course been employed for this very purpose time and again. As history also testifies in countless pages, in countless books and articles.

Alan, the government covered up the Ferengi visiting Earth in Roswell New Mexico.

Quote from: Rella on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:20:20
Amo,

Just a quick question.

You are a creationist believing that it is all covered in the four corners of the bible, is that correct.

Then how do you explain some of the things you post?

Do you think they all roamed the earth pre-flood at some point between "In the beginning" and Noah building that ark?

They would of course had to have roamed the earth at the times you specified, if scripture be true. Some afterward as well of course, during the devolving processes which have been taking place ever since. Less variety and ability to change, shorter life spans, and smaller creatures altogether, due to those shorter life spans and a very different atmosphere. There is no doubt whatsoever of their existence among Creationists and evolutionists. Plants and animals were simply much larger than at present, and there was much greater variety at some time in the history of this world. That variety continues to diminish to date, as we see many creatures going extinct, but no new ones evolving to replace them.

When these giants and greater variety existed is the issue of divisiveness, and whether humans were larger as well. It seems obvious to me, that this world and the creatures within it are and have been devolving, not evolving. Save certain changes and improvements concerning medical science, germs, and cleanliness perhaps. Variety and size have certainly diminished.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:42:38
Alan, the government covered up the Ferengi visiting Earth in Roswell New Mexico.

It was Ferengi? The Vulcans claimed they were the first here.

Quote from: Amo on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:27:57
https://www.nature.com/articles/4601067b

Article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

I have already posted somewhere on these boards, about the legal battle Creationist scientists had to fight, in order to have access to certain areas to collect or observe evidence supporting their theory. They were singled out because their observations and conclusions do not go along with the mainstream narratives of evolution. This is a no brainer. People simply do not like to be wrong, or proved wrong. History is filled with attempted coverups concerning a great many things. Government and institutional control have of course been employed for this very purpose time and again. As history also testifies in countless pages, in countless books and articles.

So another conspiracy theory? Got it.

Quote from: Alan on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:20:55

The agenda in this case would be "look what we've found!", being the first to uncover a rare find is something governments strive for, and part of the reason archaeologists still receive limited funding.

The agendas would vary from place to place and peoples to peoples no doubt, as history testifies as well. Governments are simply people in control. Either by the will of those they control, or not. Those people are just as likely to be agenda driven as any of us. I'm not talking about theory here, I'm talking about historically established facts of government agenda driven control and abuse the world over. Not to mention the sinful human desire to control and manipulate which all must deal with and overcome according as the scriptures teach. Cain killed Abel for a reason, and such has been going on ever since.

Quote from: Alan on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:49:25

So another conspiracy theory? Got it.

You best be believing in conspiracy theories Alan, you're living in one. Read your bible. This planet is absolutely filled with lies and liars. Who have, do, and will continue to even kill large scale to support those lies. As has been demonstrated over and again, and recorded in one history book after another, after another, after another and so on, and so on, and so on. Conspiracy theory my big old hairy but. This world is filled with evil, and proved itself to be, time, and time, and time, and time again. Just as the scriptures teach and prophesy.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:42:38
Alan, the government covered up the Ferengi visiting Earth in Roswell New Mexico.

      

May the farce be with you!

Quote from: Alan on Wed May 11, 2022 - 08:48:32

It was Ferengi? The Vulcans claimed they were the first here.

No, Ferengi came in 1947

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Wed May 11, 2022 - 13:07:23
No, Ferengi came in 1947

Here is proof:  One of them ran for Prez:

Vulcans first came to Earth in 1957 in Carbon Creek, Pennsylvania not too far from Rella.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Wed May 11, 2022 - 14:47:43
Vulcans first came to Earth in 1957 in Carbon Creek, Pennsylvania not too far from Rella.

My kin.  Just outside Pennsyltucky.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Wed May 11, 2022 - 14:47:43
Vulcans first came to Earth in 1957 in Carbon Creek, Pennsylvania not too far from Rella.

One of them fell in love with an earth girl and refused to return to Vulcan, IIRC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEXM4dtdW6k

They admit the above topic of the short video is scientific in nature. So why can't they admit that the abundant evidence all over the planet of a probable global flood is scientific in nature as well?

Quote from: Amo on Sat May 14, 2022 - 06:59:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEXM4dtdW6k

They admit the above topic of the short video is scientific in nature. So why can't they admit that the abundant evidence all over the planet of a probable global flood is scientific in nature as well?

A probably global flood as explained in the bible, could only have been achieved by God.

Even a partial (I say that for those who say it was only regional) also could only have been achieved by God and that is still a taboo concept.

We know there have been ic ages and warm ups globally as well as regionally since earth began.

But they cannot admit that either cause they would have been arranged by God within His plans.

Quote from: Rella on Sat May 14, 2022 - 13:35:06
A probably global flood as explained in the bible, could only have been achieved by God.

Even a partial (I say that for those who say it was only regional) also could only have been achieved by God and that is still a taboo concept.

We know there have been ic ages and warm ups globally as well as regionally since earth began.

But they cannot admit that either cause they would have been arranged by God within His plans.

Exactly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6MDE_pE1g&t=1154s

Another Mystery History video questioning prevailing narratives of history and rightly so. In the first structure the video examines, one can easily see that the first two door ways shown were much larger and higher at one time. The top of the first one being filled in up to the same height of the hall it enters into and the one right adjacent to it. The second doorway with a man standing in it, has the top of an arch above the stone over him, that was no doubt the top of that entrance in the original structure. The structure has been built upon and altered by less technically advanced peoples later in time. Such evidence is found the world over. Higher tech. further back on time. Just the opposite of the present prevailing narrative of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr_mrZbke74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raxbL3Tiy3w

More about footprints.

I believe the human footprints at Glenrose are real. I've been there several times since the 70's and saw them. No question in my mind.

IMO the entire argument against the proof or lack there of  Giant anything is silly.

We have mention in the Holy Scriptures of Giants,

Noting that one must believe that scriptures are yet we also have those that will go above and beyond to explain that scriptures are inspired by God, are without error, and do not misrepresent the facts.

And for those things that would question the facts of truth we are told, with certain understanding that such is a parable.

But, too many today lack the ability to believe that with God all things are and were possible and they prefer to place their own understanding upon what another would see differently.

I certainly do believe that at one point there were giants on the earth.

Why would there not be when there were giant animals in the form of dinosaurs and giant trees in the form of the Califoria Redwood ( to name one)

Does that mean that goes against God as the creator of all? Certainly not.

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Jul 23, 2022 - 16:39:17
I believe the human footprints at Glenrose are real. I've been there several times since the 70's and saw them. No question in my mind.

Never had the privilege of seeing one on site. One video I watched quite a while back, said that an evolutionist had destroyed the foot prints, or at least some of them. That would be a shame.

Quote from: Rella on Sun Jul 24, 2022 - 08:48:26
IMO the entire argument against the proof or lack there of  Giant anything is silly.

We have mention in the Holy Scriptures of Giants,

Noting that one must believe that scriptures are yet we also have those that will go above and beyond to explain that scriptures are inspired by God, are without error, and do not misrepresent the facts.

And for those things that would question the facts of truth we are told, with certain understanding that such is a parable.

But, too many today lack the ability to believe that with God all things are and were possible and they prefer to place their own understanding upon what another would see differently.

I certainly do believe that at one point there were giants on the earth.

Why would there not be when there were giant animals in the form of dinosaurs and giant trees in the form of the Califoria Redwood ( to name one)

Does that mean that goes against God as the creator of all? Certainly not.

I think if there were half the Creationists out there with half the monies and government or institutional grants which evolutionists have, we would be seeing and hearing a lot more about the abundance of evidence still buried or even exposed around the world. Not to mention that which is presently intentionally overlooked by those of another narrative, who simply do not want to see that which does not support their own. Or what has been covered up intentionally.

Quote from: Amo on Tue Jul 26, 2022 - 15:59:41
I think if there were half the Creationists out there with half the monies and government or institutional grants which evolutionists have, we would be seeing and hearing a lot more about the abundance of evidence still buried or even exposed around the world. Not to mention that which is presently intentionally overlooked by those of another narrative, who simply do not want to see that which does not support their own. Or what has been covered up intentionally.

The key words in that statement are "I think".  The problem in this case is that you really don't.  There are a lot of "creationists" out there who do not agree with your interpretation of scripture.

Quote from: 4WD on Wed Jul 27, 2022 - 07:02:23
The key words in that statement are "I think".  The problem in this case is that you really don't.  There are a lot of "creationists" out there who do not agree with your interpretation of scripture.

No denying that. Apart from the many "Christian" or "Jewish" creationists which believe the bible does not mean what it simply states regarding the creation, there are many of other religions with very different ideas about creation as well. I of course am referring to those bible believers which take the biblical account for what it simply states.

Your point however, only validates my own. Pointing out a larger number of people looking at the same evidence in a very different way unto different application, than bible creationists of the more literal interprative perspective. 

https://www.livescience.com/13340-giant-rabbit-fossils-minorca-island.html

Giant Rabbits.

https://www.ontariobeneathourfeet.com/giant-beaver

Giant Beavers.

https://www.livescience.com/48304-hopless-extinct-kangaroos.html

Giant Kangaroos.