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http://adventmessenger.org/pope-francis-to-his-jesuits-we-are-already-experiencing-world-war-iii/

Quoted article below from link above.

QuotePope Francis to His Jesuits: "We are Already Experiencing World War III"

Pope Francis met with the Jesuits from the "Russian Region" on September 15, 2022, in Kazakhstan. He said of this encounter that "these meetings with the Jesuits are now a habit during my travels." The Pope also told the Jesuits during this gathering that we are "experiencing World War III." The Pope expressed the following:

"There's a war going on and I think it's a mistake to think it's a cowboy movie where there are good and bad. And it is also a mistake to think that this is a war between Russia and Ukraine and that's it. No: this is a world war." [1]

"There are international factors that have contributed to causing the war. I have already mentioned that a head of state, in December last year, came to tell me that he was very worried because NATO had gone barking at the gates of Russia without understanding that the Russians are imperial and fear insecurity at the borders. He expressed fear that this would provoke a war, and it broke out two months later. Therefore, one cannot be simplistic in reasoning about the causes of the conflict." [1]

"I do not doubt, however, that we are already experiencing the Third World War. In a century we have seen three: one between 1914 and 1918, one between 1939 and 1945, and now we live this." [1]

There you have it, coming straight from the Jesuits. Russia and Ukraine are not at the center of the current conflict. "International factors" are aggravating the current crisis, which means that it won't end soon and will only get worse. After all is said and done, this severe global crisis will continue to have an effect on the economies of the world, the lives of billions of people, and will ultimately lead to the mark of the beast, thanks to Pope Francis and his Jesuits.

We have never been closer to another "world war" than we are right now. We believe this not because the Jesuits are telling us so, but because God's word predicts that these events will occur on earth just before Jesus returns. Even though the experts claim that the current Russia-Ukraine conflict is over fundamentally opposed ideologies, competition for territory, natural resources, historical rivalries, security, wealth, and nationalism, God's word reveals that the problem is deeper still. The rejection of God's moral law is the cause of widespread violence and wars:

"Anarchy is seeking to sweep away all law, not only divine, but human. The centralizing of wealth and power; the vast combinations for the enriching of the few at the expense of the many; the combinations of the poorer classes for the defense of their interests and claims...the world-wide dissemination of the same teachings that led to the French Revolution—all are tending to involve the whole world in a struggle similar to that which convulsed France" (Maranatha 146).

"Those who teach the people to regard lightly the commandments of God sow disobedience to reap disobedience. Let the restraint imposed by the divine law be wholly cast aside, and human laws would soon be disregarded. Because God forbids dishonest practices, coveting, lying, and defrauding, men are ready to trample upon His statutes as a hindrance to their worldly prosperity; but the results of banishing these precepts would be such as they do not anticipate ... The civilized world would become a horde of robbers and assassins; and peace, rest, and happiness would be banished from the earth." (Great Controversy, 585).

God's Ten Commandment moral law is an immutable standard designed to restrain men and women from indulging in violence, debauchery, immorality, and other destructive conduct. This moral code is being rejected while sin is being promoted by politicians. The cause for all the broken homes and all the civil unrest is due to the fact that we no longer believe in God's standard of truth and morality. We believe that truth is relative and there is no right or wrong.

This moral decay is predicted in prophecy and is at the heart of the messages found in the Three Angels' Messages of Revelation 14:6–12. This truth must be given with a loud voice at this very moment to the entire world. War and anarchy, the likes of which we have never seen before, will soon engulf the streets of our country and the rest of the world if this message doesn't get through to the hearts and minds of our people.

"The angel of mercy is about to take her flight, never to return. The people of God will then be plunged into those scenes of affliction and distress which prophets have described as the time of Jacob's trouble" (Maranatha, p. 199).

"We are standing on the threshold of the crisis of the ages. In quick succession the judgments of God will follow one another—fire, and flood, and earthquake, with war and bloodshed" (Maranatha, p. 67).

"The Lord will arise to shake terribly the earth. We shall see troubles on all sides. Thousands of ships will be hurled into the depths of the sea. Navies will go down, and human lives will be sacrificed by millions. Fires will break out unexpectedly and no human effort will be able to quench them. The palaces of earth will be swept away in the fury of the flames. Disasters by rail will become more and more frequent. Confusion, collision, and death without a moment's warning will occur on the great lines of travel. The end is near, probation is closing. Oh, let us seek God while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near!" (Messages to Young People, pp. 89, 90).

The papacy exists in a state of constant world political if not literal war. She is an agent of subversion within every nation, pouring her wine into the glasses of all the rich, powerful, and leaders of this world. Until they submit to her manipulation in a drunken stupor. So be it, as God's word has predicted and determined.

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2021/04/29/biden-speech-congress-catholic-reaction-240557

Article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

QuoteWas Joe Biden preaching Catholic social teaching to the Congress last night? Supporters think so.

In his first speech to Congress, on April 28,  President Joseph R. Biden Jr. heralded the country's progress against the Covid-19 pandemic during his first 100 days in office, declaring, "America is on the move again." Mr. Biden unveiled a bold economic agenda and called for expansive investments in children and families, infrastructure and education, to ensure the United States "wins the future."

I emailed several Catholic journalists, theologians and public commentators to get their thoughts on Mr. Biden's address. As with much else the country's second Catholic president does, they had plenty to say about it.

A champion of the common good

"I was struck by how deeply resonant with Catholic social teaching his address was," Kerry Robinson, a partner of the Leadership Roundtable, told America.

Nate Tinner-Williams of the Black Catholic Messenger agreed, saying that "it was pleasant to see certain policies championed that fall under the Catholic vision of the common good."

"In President Biden's address, we witnessed a return to an understanding of government consonant with Catholic social teaching," echoed Kristin Heyer, a theology professor at Boston College. "The government as 'we the people' and as means to promote the common good."

While noting that the president's speech ignored critical issues like abortion, Gloria Purvis, the former host of the "Morning Glory" radio show, told America that "there were some policy matters that could signal a shift in the discussion on life issues."

In particular, she noted that "the president's focus on policies that could positively impact families—such as paid family leave for all employees, expanded tax credits for every child in a family, affordable child care and home care for aging parents or loved ones with a disability—could be a small step toward creating a culture that views the responsibilities of child care and elder care as a societal good worth supporting and not as burdens to be solved with abortion or assisted suicide."

But not all Catholics reached by America were impressed by the president's address. "What was most telling about last night's address was not so much what was said—but what wasn't," said Mary H. FioRito, a Cardinal Francis George Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. She pointed to the crisis at the southern border, his administration's resumption of funding for medical research on the remains of unborn children and Mr. Biden's reversal on federal funding for abortion as telling omissions in the speech.

"President Biden has repeatedly said he aspires to 'heal the nation,'" she said. "But healing can only start when there is a genuine attempt to build unity, not push forward on the issues that are most divisive."

'An economy that upholds human dignity'

Many noted a Catholic dimension to Mr. Biden's focus on the importance of work and the dignity of labor and the human person in the speech.

Sam Rocha, an educational studies professor at the University of British Columbia, said, "On economics, Biden seemed to lift entire passages from Catholic social teaching, especially on poverty, the lie of trickle-down economics, the union as the creator of the middle class, the need to support and empower families, and living wages."

Susan Reynolds, a theology professor at Emory University, told America that "Biden seemed to be making the case for an economy that upholds human dignity—the case that child care, health care and education are public goods deserving of public investment."

Marcus Mescher, a theology professor at Xavier University, said that "Biden demonstrated a preferential option for those on the margins with three items of legislation: the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, the Equality Act and the Violence Against Women Act."

"We still have work to do until every citizen enjoys equal protection under the law," he said, and these examples will help us move toward justice for all."

Striking a precarious balance

Mr. Biden's remarks on race were also generally praised. Ms. Purvis said that "his specific appeal to all of us 'to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the people they serve, to root out systemic racism in our criminal justice system, and to enact police reform' is an invitation I hope we accept."

Christine Emba of The Washington Post found Mr. Biden's approach to race typical of his broader governing strategy. "This was a remarkably progressive speech," she said, "but it didn't read like one. Biden tossed 'trickle-down economics,' called out white supremacy as a terrorist threat, promoted an assault weapons ban and previewed an actually radical plan for investment in American families.

"If pitched by anyone else, these lines would be viewed as a threat. Instead, they're rendered moderate by the president's collegial white-maleness. This is his superpower, really: Nothing seems too radical if delivered by the archetypal average Joe."

Ms. Emba's comments underline the precarious balance Mr. Biden hopes to strike: Catholic but open to secular progressives; a centrist tone but progressive policy; appealing to the middle class but concerned about racial justice; and egalitarian but also open to economic growth.

"Biden's speech was in some ways almost Trumpish," Mr. Rocha said. "It was populist and protectionist; it was exceptionalist and imperialist."

But noting the tensions of Mr. Biden's foreign policy proposals, Matthew Shadle, a theology professor at Marymount University, said:

"Biden's address previewed what is likely to be a lingering paradox in Biden's foreign policy: He vowed to restore the United States' leadership role in the world, rebuilding our alliances and standing up to Russia and China, but at the same time he touted his plan to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, a striking sign of the United States' declining global hegemony. What will take priority: seeking a more humble role for the U.S. in world affairs or seeking to restore the U.S. role as global superpower?
For Elizabeth Bruenig of The New York Times, Mr. Biden's speech was a missed opportunity to forcefully address the issues most important to his political party, including racial justice, climate change and voting rights."

Democrats are in a maximally activist state of mind at the moment, mobilized by the pandemic, police violence and four years of Trump—or so it seems. It's fascinating, then, to hear the party's leader—a grandfatherly, cordial old senator from Delaware—limit mention of the party's animating issues to a few brief remarks at the tail end of a long speech. Sure, that's what voters expected when they voted for Biden: a guy too moderate and too mild to be cast by Trump as a left-wing radical. But if Dems picked Biden because they felt he's safely in the center lane, what do they think will happen to the causes Biden mentioned at the very end of his address?
She called "the gulf between the most vocal segment of the party and the president they wound up with is one of the most curious mismatches between base and leader in recent memory."

His words 'ring hollow'

President Biden also came in for criticism from many quarters, particularly on immigration, abortion and the cost of his proposals.

Dr. Heyer said she wanted to see "more attention to how his administration can protect refugees, asylum seekers and migrants, rather than relatively vague references to the need for Congress to act and for Vice President Harris to help address root causes." She says such an approach "would have been more worthy of Francis' example—and Biden's own statements about human dignity and rights."

Dr. Shadle agreed: "So far, immigration reform does not seem like a major priority for the president."

As for abortion, Stephen White of the Ethics & Public Policy Center sees a disconnect between the president's rhetoric and his policies when it comes to the dignity of life:

"President Biden does empathy very well. That matters a great deal at times like this. But his words of empathy and decency begin to ring hollow when he speaks of defending "God-given dignity" and "basic human rights," in one moment, while using his office to advance the greatest social injustice in America since slavery—abortion—in the next moment. His commitment to legal abortion cannot but hobble his attempts to unify and heal the nation and is a drag on so many of the good things he might otherwise accomplish.
Speaking of Mr. Biden's ambitious spending proposals, Andy Smarick of the Manhattan Institute worried about their cost, telling America: "This may have been the most big-government presidential address of my lifetime. President Biden may have campaigned as a moderate, and he does have a moderate temperament, but tonight he advocated for a bold, muscular Uncle Sam. If Biden gets his way, Washington would be involved in more, spend more, and tax more than we've seen in ages."

"This was not a speech about federalism, localism, civil society, capitalism, or volunteerism," he said. "This was about how the federal government can and should solve our problems. And that's a shame."

Sohrab Ahmari of the New York Post offered a more philosophical criticism of Mr. Biden's claim that "America is an idea, the most unique idea in history. We are created, all of us equal. It is who we are." He tweeted the night of the address that "The United States is a nation state with certain laws and a specific history, a mix of good and bad. Its existence is the product of historically contingent forces and circumstances."

Elaborating on this point for America, he said, "I worry that America-as-idea is an invitation to imperial hubris and folly."

Mr. Biden has only been president for about 100 days, with much to come. Given the president's propensity to invoke hope, perhaps a challenge for his administration and for the American people will be cultivating the kind of hope that can endure the challenges of present realities.

As Gloria Purvis told America: "We have a good deal of work to do to move this country to a place where everyone can flourish. I hope we can move toward building a culture of life while at the same time being vigilant about the real threats that still exist to building that culture."

I know I keep repeating myself.... BUT IT IS SO IMPORTANT

JOE BIDEN – JESUIT BACKGROUND

Biden has a very strong Jesuit influence on him . He attended their schools and so did his son, Hunter Biden, Archmere Academy, a Catholic high school in Claymont, Delaware. Sonny graduated from Georgetown University with a bachelor's degree in history. Georgetown is the premier Jesuit school in the USA, one of many thousands

https://www.georgemjames.com/post/joe-biden-jesuit-background

It is not a coincidence that a prominent U.S. Jesuit, the Rev. Leo J. O'Donovan, former president of Georgetown University, will deliver the invocation at the inauguration of President Joseph R. Biden Jr., the second Catholic president in the history of the United States. In the past few years, particularly during the pontificate of Pope Francis, the Society of Jesus has been the most important and visible reserve of intellectual and spiritual power for global Catholicism.

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/01/19/joe-biden-john-courtney-murray-who-was-239757

JOE BIDEN – FURTHER JESUIT LINKS

The Jesuits are here to plot and scheme and, if possible, take from us the noble heritage of our civil and religious freedom. The rules of the Jesuit Order justify theft, licentiousness, lying, false-witness bearing, suicide and the murder of parents and other relatives. The greatest crimes in history committed against individuals and nations have been committed by the Jesuits... Wherever Jesuits are they have the torch to burn, the sword to slay, the inquisition to torture. They are the enemies of Bible-believing Christianity.

THIS LINK IS QUITE AN INTERESTING READ, INCLUDING THE LINKS WITHIN THE LINK.... (too long for me to post

https://www.georgemjames.com/post/joe-biden-further-jesuit-links

The Jesuit Oath  ( A MUST READ )

https://www.georgemjames.com/post/the-jesuit-oath

Reminder that the head Jesuit... Pope Frankie had an hour long private meeting with Biden on Oct 29, 2021. ( Just about a year ago and look where Biden has taken the US since then.

Yes, Joe is a papal puppet. I'm sure they talk often, or Biden at least receives instructions from his papal overlords often. Then again, he is only doing as papal Encyclicals and Doctrinal Notes have instructed all their faithful.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-biden-administration-demanding-amazon-censor-books-disagree-with

Fox news video about Biden book banning. Hmmmm that rings a bell. Catholic President banning books his party doesn't agree with. Yep, back to the dark ages we go, with the Church of Rome right in the middle of all of it. They banned and burned books including the bible, and even people with the books they wrote when they didn't like what the books said. The bible was even on the Catholic churches banned book list until the early 1960's.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/vatican-china-renew-secret-deal-dr-bikram-lamba

Quoted article below from link above. Emphasis is mine, my comments in blue.

QuoteVatican and China Renew Secret Deal

The Vatican announced on October 22 that it has renewed a controversial deal with the People's Republic of China. The accord deals with the appointment of bishops and communion between the Vatican and China's Catholic Patriotic Association (cpa), a government-run "officially sanctioned" Catholic Church. The deal, first struck in 2018, is still provisional and was renewed once before in 2020.

The details have never been disclosed to the public; however, it is believed the deal allows the Chinese government to nominate bishops for vacant dioceses while giving the pope a veto over Beijing's choices.

The 2018 deal was also supposed to bridge the gap between the Catholic Patriotic Association and the underground church. For decades, Vatican-China relations have been rocky. Since the 1950s, the only legal Catholicism in China was the cpa. The so-called "underground church," loyal to the pope, is illegal and persecuted. Part of the deal involves the cpa recognizing the pope as the head of the church. The pope, meanwhile, allowed underground Catholics to stay out of the cpa if their conscience dictated so.

This makes Pope Francis the first pope acknowledged by the government-controlled church.

The deal is controversial. Only a handful of bishops have been approved in vacant dioceses since 2018. Beijing, meanwhile, has doubled down its repression of the underground church. One of the most outspoken critics of the deal was retired Bishop of Hong Kong, Cardinal Joseph Zen. (As a former British colony and autonomous city, "normal" Catholicism is legal in Hong Kong.) Zen has for years been trying to get the Vatican to drop the deal. But his pleas have fallen on deaf ears. He went to trial two months ago on charges related to his pro-democracy activism. In a mid-September press conference, a reporter asked Francis about Zen's predicament. Francis blamed Zen for his own troubles. "[Zen] says what he feels," Francis said, "and you can see that there are limitations there."

Nevertheless, when asked about the deal in July, Francis told Reuters that "the agreement is moving well." This is despite there being only six new bishops appointed since 2018. By comparison, there are over 70 dioceses vacant—some since before China became Communist. The actual level of Vatican involvement in the process is still anybody's guess.

The Vatican's positive words to Beijing don't help other persecuted groups in China. Take, for example, the Uyghurs. They're a Muslim group in China's northeast that Beijing is committing literal genocide against. Uyghur activists who manage to escape China are trying to raise awareness in the West to get somebody to do something. The pope legitimizing Beijing's approach to minority religions shows groups like the Uyghurs they don't have an ally in the Apostolic Palace.

How much the Vatican is willing to overlook with this deal is eye-opening. Since the deal was founded, its underground church—the church that has stood with the pope for decades under Communist persecution—has been blindsided. A 90-year-old Hong Kong cardinal faces serious legal trouble. China's crimes, like the Uyghur genocide, are overlooked. Chinese General Secretary Xi Jinping has taken unprecedented moves to rule China for life as a modern Mao Zedong. The Chinese government has "retranslated" the Bible to enforce obedience to the Communist Party while calling Jesus Christ a sinner. Catholic churches are forced to replace their religious iconography with portraits of Xi. Yet the Vatican still turns a blind eye to all of this to partner with Beijing. And according to the pope, this partnership is "moving well."

Something really strange is going on.

Even with the deal's details hidden, it's clear China gets a lot. It gets its control over China's Catholics legitimized. It gets the Vatican—which helped bring down the ussr—on its good side. And it can threaten to ax the deal as leverage against the Catholic Church in the future. But what does the Vatican get from the deal?

From what we can see, very little. China still nominates bishops. The Catholic Patriotic Association is still under the government's thumb. The underground church is more persecuted than ever. The Vatican and Beijing still do not have diplomatic relations. A formerly schismatic church keeps doing what it's doing with little compromise except it now pays lip service to the pope. And the flak Pope Francis has received from his own clergy and the media has been huge.

The only thing Pope Francis gets from this agreement is power. He is the first pope acknowledged by the Catholic Patriotic Association as its head. This is mostly ceremonial; Francis is only the CPA's "head" as long as Xi lets him be. By accepting the CPA back into the fold technically means the Catholic Church in China is now an arm of the government. And Xi is apparently fine with Francis having more influence in an institution that previously answered only to him. Catholics comprise 6 to 12 million of China's billion-plus population. It's unlikely Xi sees them or Pope Francis as a threat to his rule. Xi would be fine with the Vatican increasing its influence in China if, say, this meant an eventual break in relations with Taiwan. The Vatican's treatment of Cardinal Zen shows the pope has already accepted China's control of Hong Kong.

The power that Francis gets from this deal is admittedly little—so far. But it's still a start. It's more than he had before. And it can be the basis for an increasing level of papal involvement in cpa affairs. The deal puts the Vatican's foot in the door for future collaboration.

And remember that the deal's details have never been publicly disclosed. We can only speculate why the Vatican is keeping quiet about what the deal actually entails. It could be the Vatican doesn't want people to know how weak it was in making concessions. But Francis said "the agreement is moving well" despite the main provision of the deal (the appointment of bishops) having barely been implemented in four years. Who knows what Xi has offered that Francis is keeping hidden.

That the deal is still provisional shows the Vatican still isn't satisfied with the final outcome. Francis and Xi were both in Kazakhstan on September 14 for different reasons. Francis tried to schedule a meeting with Xi there, but Xi reportedly snubbed him. Vatican Secretary of State Pietro Parolin recently said the Catholic Church wants to open an office in Beijing, but the Chinese government is saying no. The Vatican is pursuing Xi for some reason, and Xi is happy to play "hard to get" for now. Francis doesn't want the current deal to be the final outcome, but he still likes it enough to keep it in place as is. In all likelihood, he is looking for some sort of arrangement where the Catholic Patriotic Association falls more under the Vatican thumb.

This isn't the first time the Catholic Church has involved itself in the affairs of a totalitarian empire. The most notorious instance of this was in the 1920s, '30s and '40s with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. Vatican City as an entity only exists because of a 1929 treaty with Benito Mussolini. The Vatican was instrumental in sponsoring Adolf Hitler's rise to power and refused to help Jews escape the Holocaust. The Catholic Church also infamously helped smuggle many Nazis out of Europe after the war through the so-called "ratlines."

If anything, the China deal is "business as usual" for the Vatican.

This is the great paradox of the Catholic Church. No political institution on Earth does such regular business with dictators and autocrats and does so with its reputation intact. Hundreds of thousands of tourists visit Vatican City every year to marvel at the Sistine Chapel and the Catholic Church's art treasures. Everywhere the pope travels, masses of fans congregate hoping to get a glimpse of him. As the relatively recent America-Cuba normalization deal demonstrates, the pope is even viewed as an international mediator. He's seen as an agent of peace. The Vatican looks like a lamb no matter how much it behaves like a dragon. In this case, in cahoots with the Chinese dragon.

The Roman Catholic Church is the most recognizable and illustrious religion on Earth. Worldwide, it has more than 1.2 billion followers, roughly 400,000 priests and some 221,000 parishes. Catholicism has a presence on every continent and in every nation. Tens of millions of Catholics dutifully attend services each week. Around the world, Catholic priests and authorities are invited to contribute to conversations, public and private, on religion, politics, culture, morality and virtually every other subject.

Yet despite its global ubiquity, colossal fame, material splendor and long history, the Catholic Church is an enigma. Even to lifelong Catholics. ... The Catholic religion is the most famous Christian religion on Earth, yet it is shrouded in mystery."

There's more to the story than meets the eye. This isn't merely a story about a flawed but well-meaning institution trying to navigate the complexities of world affairs. The roots of the Vatican's current path lie deep in its history. By understanding its history, you can learn where the Vatican is headed—even in the near future.

Revelation 17 describes the Vatican as a woman riding a beast—or dominating an empire. God describes this church as having relations with worldly empires, or committing "fornication." This church dominates one empire, but all "kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication" (verse 2). She does deal with empires around the world. In these dealings with China, the Catholic Church is fulfilling this role.

Looks like Roman Catholic President Joe Biden and His Papal puppet masters, both have many secret ties and deals with Communist China. Right wing mainstream media keeps crying Communists and Socialists concerning the left, but many of these lefties are Roman Catholics, which religio-political institution allows for and supports members of either political system. As I have stated many times over on these boards, the Church of Rome is an agent of political subversion, from within every nation in which she has adherents. The more adherents she has within the same, the more subversion she manipulates. Bypassing the will of nations and peoples, with her own, as she inebriates populations and politicians with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Quote from: Amo on Wed Oct 19, 2022 - 21:38:14
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-biden-administration-demanding-amazon-censor-books-disagree-with

Fox news video about Biden book banning. Hmmmm that rings a bell. Catholic President banning books his party doesn't agree with. Yep, back to the dark ages we go, with the Church of Rome right in the middle of all of it. They banned and burned books including the bible, and even people with the books they wrote when they didn't like what the books said. The bible was even on the Catholic churches banned book list until the early 1960's.

And through the 60s and into the 70, Catholics were still told to not read it. They were told it was better for the "learned" who could understand and explain then for them who could not.

I have family that never had a bible in their homes. But who did attend mass regularly?

Unlike the protestant churches that I have been in, that all had some translation of it in the pews... The handful of times I have  had need to be in a catholic service. (Funerals, Weddings, one first Holy Communion) there were no copies for the parishioners to be seen.

Quote from: Amo on Fri Dec 09, 2022 - 21:37:37
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/vatican-china-renew-secret-deal-dr-bikram-lamba

Quoted article below from link above. Emphasis is mine, my comments in blue.

Looks like Roman Catholic President Joe Biden and His Papal puppet masters, both have many secret ties and deals with Communist China. Right wing mainstream media keeps crying Communists and Socialists concerning the left, but many of these lefties are Roman Catholics, which religio-political institution allows for and supports members of either political system. As I have stated many times over on these boards, the Church of Rome is an agent of political subversion, from within every nation in which she has adherents. The more adherents she has within the same, the more subversion she manipulates. Bypassing the will of nations and peoples, with her own, as she inebriates populations and politicians with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

While this should be shocking to all.... somehow it is not.

But it seems to follow exactly what Jesus was saying in Mathew 13:14-17


14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them

It is certainly true that the people have heard and their eyes have seen. But the majority happily turn a deaf ear to what they see as being totally false.

Quote from: Rella on Sat Dec 10, 2022 - 08:26:01
And through the 60s and into the 70, Catholics were still told to not read it. They were told it was better for the "learned" who could understand and explain then for them who could not.

I have family that never had a bible in their homes. But who did attend mass regularly?

Unlike the protestant churches that I have been in, that all had some translation of it in the pews... The handful of times I have  had need to be in a catholic service. (Funerals, Weddings, one first Holy Communion) there were no copies for the parishioners to be seen.

I did as well. Their priest told them not to read the bible, but ask him if they had questions. He said it was to hard for them to understand.

Quote from: Rella on Sat Dec 10, 2022 - 08:38:24

While this should be shocking to all.... somehow it is not.

But it seems to follow exactly what Jesus was saying in Mathew 13:14-17


14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them

It is certainly true that the people have heard and their eyes have seen. But the majority happily turn a deaf ear to what they see as being totally false.

Yes. The bible is filled with a lot of testimony concerning those who repeatedly gave warnings which fell upon deaf ears. Yet they still gave the warnings. Even those who will and do repeatedly reject the truth, have a right to hear it and will, according to God's design and will.

Putin has met with the Pope six times.

https://www.romereports.com/en/2022/03/03/looking-back-on-pope-francis-meetings-with-putin/

https://www.voanews.com/a/europe_putin-meets-pope-italian-leaders-during-rome-visit/6171189.html

Zelensky has met with him as well, as well as his adviser.

https://www.romereports.com/en/2022/03/03/looking-back-at-the-popes-meeting-with-president-zelensky-in-2020/

https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=56330

Dan 11:27  And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

This local struggle between Ukraine and Russia represents the greater global struggle between the right and left, liberals and conservatives, religious and secularists, the king of the north and the king of the south. But both of these kings seek to do mischief, and they both speak lies at the Vatican's table. The Vatican is the real ruling manipulator. The third controlling factor in the exercise of the Hegelian Dialectic, manipulating the left and the right, liberals and conservatives, religious and secularists, the king of the north and the king of the south, on a global scale. Ever increasingly as papal adherents ever increasingly infest the governments of this world, bringing one nation after another to the Church of Rome's table, where they may be inebriated by her fornicacious wine.

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

https://returntotradition.org/pope-francis-man-must-obey-the-un/

Quoted article below from link above.

QuotePope Francis: Man Must Obey The UN

2000 years ago, Christ instituted the Roman Catholic Church with the commission that it enlighten all peoples on the path of salvation and provide a sure means of attaining it. As Christ sees it, the Roman Catholic Church is the one central world authority to which all peoples should be subjugated.

In 1945, the archenemies of Christianity founded the United Nations with the objective of destroying Christianity and submerging the world's peoples under the tyranny of communistic one-world government. The U.N. today is that central world force that is generating the present day revolt against the Faith, with special emphasis on children's rights, feminist rights, abortion rights, LGBT rights, and all the Masonic rights that were created to separate man from God. The U.N. asserts that these "rights" are to be respected everywhere by all peoples.

Pope Francis agrees. During a September 10 press conference on route to Rome from Madagascar, the pope insisted that when the United Nations speaks, man must listen.

"When we acknowledge international organizations and we recognize their capacity to give judgment, on a global scale—for example the international tribunal in The Hague, or the United Nations—If we consider ourselves humanity, when they make statements, our duty is to obey ... We must obey international institutions. That is why the United Nations were created." https://youtu.be/FBOeHudjqGM

So according to Francis, when the U.N. says that homosexuals must be free to express their sexual orientation and that women must be guaranteed their right to abortion, the world must obey. Hard to believe? Let us not forget that the pope on several occasions has invited U.N. abortion advocates like Jeffery Sachs and Ban Ki moon to speak at the Vatican concerning their Sustainable Development Goals of making "mother earth" a safer place through population control.

On April 29, 2015, the Vatican officially endorsed their United Nations Goals (SDGs), which include contraception, abortion, and euthanasia. Moreover, the pope in May 2019 was calling for a supranational, legally constituted body to enforce these U.N. Sustainable Development Goals.

Since his election, Francis has advocated that we look to this global elite for our instruction, as expressed in his encyclical Laudato Si: "There is urgent need of a true world political authority." Wasn't the authority of the King of kings good enough? The U.N. is the infamous brood of vipers that is perverting the nations and bringing them to a collision course, so why is Francis commending the flock of Christ to them?

Francis Executing Internationalist Plan

It is no secret that the U.N. was founded in 1945 by the CFR members of the Illuminati, a satanic secret society that works conjointly with the Freemasons. What these internationalists advocate is a universal break from the past and a merger of all peoples into an ecumenical one-world government/religion, which the Second Vatican Council was instrumental in advancing. Pope Francis advocates this departure from the past and merger with other religions, which has elicited praise from globalists and Freemasons the world over.

For instance, In July 2013, commemorating his friend and late Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Masonic Grand Master Gustavo Raffi (Grand Orient of Italy) launched this tribute to Pope Francis:

"Humanity today is poorer and poorer, as is also the Catholic Church. But the one of Pope Francis is a church that promises to be respectful of the otherness and to share the idea that the secular state promotes peace and coexistence of different religions."

On September 21, 2013, during the celebrations by the Freemasons of the Grand Orient of Italy, Grand Master Gustavo Raffi also stated, inter alia:

"Pope Francis launches messages of humanity that are in tune with what we have been saying for years....This is a living Masonry, talking to people [in dialogue]." https://onepeterfive.com/freemasons-love-pope-francis/

On and on the praises go, the reason being that this pope from the beginning has done the bidding of Freemasons to down-talk Church tradition, even dubbing "schismatic" those who hold tenaciously to the old teachings, while continually emphasizing that we move forward with this Masonic plan to unite the Catholic Church with the world.

Pope Calling for "Global Pact" for a "New Humanism"

And now the pope acting as a U.N. pawn has announced he is hosting an initiative for a "global pact" to create a "new humanism."

"A global educational pact is needed to educate us in universal solidarity and a new humanism," Francis said in a recent video message to launch the initiative. Pope Francis invites religious, political leaders to sign 'Global Pact' for 'new humanism' As if Christ didn't already give us the solution for world peace and unity! The implication is that Christ's instruction through tradition is ineffective so that this new humanism is now needed.

What is needed is a universal return to God and His Divine Laws, which means a universal rejection of the secular humanism that Francis is peddling for his global masters. He cannot bow to Jesus Christ and to globalists at the same time. He cannot advocate a new church of man and be truly Catholic at the same time. For our unity is with Christ, not with the world.

What Christ requires of the hierarchy is that they reject humanism and restore His Church to its former position of honor as it stood before Vatican II. For the Freemasons infiltrated Vatican II and engendered the new order of change that is fast coming to a head under Francis, so our duty as Catholics is to resist this new order of temptation and to remain ever faithful under siege, remembering the exhortation of St. Paul for withstanding these days of Antichrist:

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:14)

The POT calling the KETTLE black.

And the overrun coming from our southern border is one way to dominate the US, when all else fails

Quote from: Rella on Sat Dec 17, 2022 - 07:18:30
The POT calling the KETTLE black.

And the overrun coming from our southern border is one way to dominate the US, when all else fails

Yes, an intricate part of the plan, for a long time now. This nation was not and is not converted to Catholicism. Catholicism was transported here through one mass migration after another, which continues to this day. The adherents of whom, are now a majority within our government. Yet few if any will make the connection between this well documented fact, and the major changes which have and are taking place within our nation and government. So be it, as God's word has determined.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/jan/09/catholics-rise-to-prominence-in-newest-congress/

Article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

QuoteCatholics rise to prominence in newest Congress

WASHINGTON -- Six decades after John F. Kennedy became the first Roman Catholic president, his political ascent still reverberates in the American electorate. Generations of Catholics who had long been marginalized in the political process were emboldened to seek office, prompting a wave of Catholic lawmakers in the decades that followed.

Academic observers attribute the rising influence of Catholics to a new prominence in public life that emerged after Kennedy's election. The number of Catholics in Congress has risen by roughly 50% since the Kennedy administration and in recent years Catholics have consistently been the single largest religious denomination in Congress.

Members of all Christian faiths -- a wide swath that includes members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Baptists, Episcopalians and those unaffiliated with a specific denomination -- equate to 87% of Congress. But it is Catholics, the biggest denomination among the Christian faiths, that will hold 29% of the seats in the 117th Congress and two of the most powerful offices in government. With President-elect Joe Biden and Speaker Nancy Pelosi both Catholic, there will be a power dynamic not seen since the early 1960s when Kennedy and John McCormack made history as the first Catholic president and speaker.

'LONG-TERM TREND'

"It's emblematic of this long-term trend of Catholics running for office, getting elected to office, staying in office and being politically successful to the point that you could have so many Catholics in positions of power in Congress," said Matthew Green, who chairs the Politics Department at Catholic University of America.

Catholics also have a growing influence on committee gavels. Seven House committee chairmen are Catholic, up one from the 116th Congress. The group includes leaders with wide jurisdictions: Rosa DeLauro on Appropriations, Richard Neal on Ways and Means, Frank Pallone Jr. on Energy and Commerce and Jim McGovern on Rules.

The rise of Catholics in Congress has even outpaced the number of followers of the faith in the nation. Pew Research Center's 2019 Religious Landscape Study found only 20% of Americans identify as Catholic, compared to 29% of lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

"Congress often is a lagging indicator of the changing religious makeup of the country," Green said. He noted that Catholics were historically underrepresented in the Congress until the later part of the mid-20th century.

'RELIGIOUS, URBAN GHETTO'

Most Catholics -- including large numbers of Irish, Italian and Polish immigrants -- were kept in a "religious and urban ghetto" in the 19th century, according to the Rev. Matt Malone, the editor-in-chief of America Magazine.

But that changed after Kennedy's election to the highest office in the nation. "They were now being educated, moving into the middle classes, they were going to college; it makes sense now that they were also running for Congress, in places where traditionally they hadn't," Malone said.

While Catholics continue to dominate much of the rank and file in Congress, Protestant leaders will still be prominent in the 117th Congress: Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris are all Baptists. And unspecified Protestants -- Christians who do not identify with a specific denomination -- is the second largest religious bloc behind Catholics at 20%.

Orthodox Christian members, the smallest non-Protestant Christian denomination in Congress, will see their totals rise from five to seven, including incoming Indiana freshman Republican Victoria Spartz, a Ukrainian immigrant, and returning Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who is an Antioch Orthodox Christian.

A NOTABLE SHIFT

Jewish lawmaker totals will be largely unchanged, although there was a notable shift in where Jewish lawmakers were elected in 2020.

While New York's Jewish senator, Charles Schumer, is returning as Senate Democratic leader, the state is losing half of its Jewish delegation, including influential members such as Appropriations Chairwoman Nita Lowey, who is retiring. Foreign Affairs Chairman Eliot Engel was defeated in a primary by Jamaal Bowman, one of 20 lawmakers who identify as unspecified or nonreligious. In Massachusetts, Jake Auchincloss, who is Jewish, was elected to the seat being vacated by Rep. Joseph Kennedy III, the grandnephew of the nation's first Catholic president.

As with their Jewish counterparts, the demographics of Catholic lawmakers are also changing. The growth of Catholic lawmakers following the Kennedy administration drew from descendants of the European Catholic diaspora. But Hispanic lawmakers are increasingly coming into the fold to succeed white Catholic lawmakers. Hispanic Catholics, who will account for 31 of 40 Hispanic House members and four out of the five senators, are finding a place in Congress as a new group of Catholic lawmakers.

In the House, California's Pete Aguilar will be the Democratic Caucus' vice chairman, replacing outgoing Assistant Speaker Ben Ray Luján of New Mexico as the highest ranking Hispanic Catholic in Democratic leadership. Luján is joining the Senate's incoming freshman class.

THE BIGGEST TENTS

From a policy standpoint, Catholics have one of the biggest tents in Congress. Catholic lawmakers range from being known for their strict stances against abortion such as New Jersey Republican Christopher Smith, to progressives who cite their faith in social justice causes such as New York Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Experts say given the broad worldview of Catholics, those in leadership positions may not always agree on policy positions, but there is a fundamental shared language of faith.

Biden and Pelosi have both invoked their faith in public life. Biden regularly attends Mass and quoted the widely known 1977 Catholic hymn, "On Eagle's Wings," during his Nov. 7 victory speech. In a December 2019 news conference, Pelosi had a heated exchange with a reporter: "I don't hate anybody," she said. "I was raised in a Catholic house. We don't hate anybody, not anybody in the world."

The steady growth among Catholics in politics also speaks to how American Catholics view their faith as integral to public service, according to John Carr, Georgetown University's director of the Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life. He points to a teaching from Pope Francis that "faithful citizenship is a moral obligation ... Catholic faith, Catholic culture, Catholic experience is about getting involved and trying to make things better."

That's a point New York Democrat Tom Suozzi has taken to heart. The co-chairman of the national prayer breakfast readily draws a parallel to Catholic faith and politics. "The most fundamental concept of the Catholic religion is to find the common good, to serve the common good. That's what politics really should be about, is to really serve the common good," he said.

The reader might assume from the above article, that Catholics just achieved such numbers in Congress in 2021 when the above article was published. This is not the case however. I'm pretty sure the Catholic presence within Congress has been steadily in and around 30% for near a decade now if perhaps not more. Sometimes a little higher and others a little lower.

The articles suggestion that generations of Catholics were, "kept in a "religious and urban ghetto" in the 19th century, underrepresented, and marginalized", are terms employed in a little revisionist history. By those who now have the clout to influence and or control the present narrative. All migrants are or have been throughout history, in less prominent positions than those already established in the nations they enter. This is natural. Though today under Catholic and lefty control, they are given far more than in the past, and even privileges which actual citizens do not have. At tax payers expense of course. 

Nevertheless, there is definite truth to the fact that Catholics were eyed with greater suspicion than others by our nation in relation to politics especially. This had and still has to do with the infamous historical record of governmental abuse of citizens by predominantly Catholic countries. Whose Church and state were infamously in  bed together creating such tyrannical scenarios. Governments who persecuted, tortured, imprisoned, burned at the stake, and murdered enmass, their citizens who politically or religiously disagreed with them. Vatican support of these types of governments has continued from the dark ages right up to the present, and is intricately involved in the major and unconstitutional changes we see taking place within our own government.

The history I speak of above though, has increasingly been removed from public education and the public eye for a long time now. Being replaced with revisionist history such as that suggested in this article under examination, fully supported if not inspired by Roman Catholic leadership as well. This revisionist history mostly bypasses these negative histories involving Roman Catholic inspired and supported abusive government. Which history reveals many of the reasons and causes the founders of this nation had, in establishing our government upon the principles of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights. It focusses instead upon the negative aspects of this nations history alone, which of course never was perfect, and preaching this as the real history of our country. Then turning those deluded by these lies and one sided declarations against the very principles of government which made this land so great. Which makes us nothing more than dogs returning to their own vomit, in returning to the leadership of religious and political elites who so badly abused us in the past dark ages. To the likes of those who supported Hitler, and Mussolini, and today praise China as a prime example of establishing Roman Catholic social justice, and the common good. As the article under examination does as well. Closing with its comments concerning the common good.

My next post will be an aged article concerning the "common good". Which although not being from a Christian or biblical world view, addresses some of the very real problems with the notion of a "common good". 

The greatest threat to mankind and civilization is the spread of the totalitarian philosophy. Its best ally is not the devotion of its followers but the confusion of its enemies. To fight it, we must understand it.

Totalitarianism is collectivism. Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group — whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called ``the common good.́́

Throughout history, no tyrant ever rose to power except on the claim of representing ``the common good.́́ Napoleon ``served the common good́́ of France. Hitler is ``serving the common good́́ of Germany. Horrors which no man would dare consider for his own selfish sake are perpetrated with a clear conscience by ``altruistś́ who justify themselves by-the common good.

No tyrant has ever lasted long by force of arms alone. Men have been enslaved primarily by spiritual weapons. And the greatest of these is the collectivist doctrine that the supremacy of the state over the individual constitutes the common good. No dictator could rise if men held as a sacred faith the conviction that they have inalienable rights of which they cannot be deprived for any cause whatsoever, by any man whatsoever, neither by evildoer nor supposed benefactor.

This is the basic tenet of individualism, as opposed to collectivism. Individualism holds that man is an independent entity with an inalienable right to the pursuit of his own happiness in a society where men deal with one another as equals.

The American system is founded on individualism. If it is to survive, we must understand the principles of individualism and hold them as our standard in any public question, in every issue we face. We must have a positive credo, a clear consistent faith.

We must learn to reject as total evil the conception that the common good is served by the abolition of individual rights. General happiness cannot be created out of general suffering and self-immolation. The only happy society is one of happy individuals. One cannot have a healthy forest made up of rotten trees.

The power of society must always be limited by the basic, inalienable rights of the individual.

The right of liberty means man's right to individual action, individual choice, individual initiative and individual property. Without the right to private property no independent action is possible.

The right to the pursuit of happiness means man's right to live for himself, to choose what constitutes his own, private, personal happiness and to work for its achievement. Each individual is the sole and final judge in this choice. A man's happiness cannot be prescribed to him by another man or by any number of other men.

These rights are the unconditional, personal, private, individual possession of every man, granted to him by the fact of his birth and requiring no other sanction. Such was the conception of the founders of our country, who placed individual rights above any and all collective claims. Society can only be a traffic policeman in the intercourse of men with one another.

From the beginning of history, two antagonists have stood face to face, two opposite types of men: the Active and the Passive. The Active Man is the producer, the creator, the originator, the individualist. His basic need is independence — in order to think and work. He neither needs nor seeks power over other men — nor can he be made to work under any form of compulsion. Every type of good work — from laying bricks to writing a symphony — is done by the Active Man. Degrees of human ability vary, but the basic principle remains the same: the degree of a man's independence and initiative determines his talent as a worker and his worth as a man.

The Passive Man is found on every level of society, in mansions and in slums, and his identification mark is his dread of independence. He is a parasite who expects to be taken care of by others, who wishes to be given directives, to obey, to submit, to be regulated, to be told. He welcomes collectivism, which eliminates any chance that he might have to think or act on his own initiative.

When a society is based on the needs of the Passive Man it destroys the Active; but when the Active is destroyed, the Passive can no longer be cared for. When a society is based on the needs of the Active Man, he carries the Passive ones along on his energy and raises them as he rises, as the whole society rises. This has been the pattern of all human progress.

Some humanitarians demand a collective state because of their pity for the incompetent or Passive Man. For his sake they wish to harness the Active. But the Active Man cannot function in harness. And once he is destroyed, the destruction of the Passive Man follows automatically. So if pity is the humanitarians' first consideration, then in the name of pity, if nothing else, they should leave the Active Man free to function, in order to help the Passive. There is no other way to help him in the long run.

The history of mankind is the history of the struggle between the Active Man and the Passive, between the individual and the collective. The countries which have produced the happiest men, the highest standards of living and the greatest cultural advances have been the countries where the power of the collective — of the government, of the state — was limited and the individual was given freedom of independent action. As examples: The rise of Rome, with its conception of law based on a citizen's rights, over the collectivist barbarism of its time. The rise of England, with a system of government based on the Magna Carta, over collectivist, totalitarian Spain. The rise of the United States to a degree of achievement unequaled in history — by grace of the individual freedom and independence which our Constitution gave each citizen against the collective.

While men are still pondering upon the causes of the rise and fall of civilizations, every page of history cries to us that there is but one source of progress: Individual Man in independent action. Collectivism is the ancient principle of savagery. A savage's whole existence is ruled by the leaders of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.

We are now facing a choice: to go forward or to go back.

Collectivism is not the ``New Order of Tomorrow.́́ It is the order of a very dark yesterday. But there is a New Order of Tomorrow. It belongs to Individual Man — the only creator of any tomorrows humanity has ever been granted. (Readers Digest, January 1944, pp. 88-90)

As the above author mentioned Hitler as one proposing the establishment of the common good, the above article itself being written in 1944, the following is his twenty fifth point, of the 25 Points of the Nazi Party.

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states. The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pope-francis-institutions-change-serve-poor_n_616c8f06e4b079111a4b5a2e

Quoted article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

QuotePope Calls On Powerful Institutions To Change Status Quo To Better Serve The Poor

Pope Francis demanded corporate industries and world leaders change the way they operate so the poor aren't left behind by the wealthy elite.

Pope Francis on Saturday delivered a speech that demanded powerful institutions change their ways of operating in order to better serve the poor, stressing that the status quo keeps people in poverty, creating an unjust society.

"Personal change is necessary, but it is also indispensable to adjust our socioeconomic models so that they have a human face, because many models have lost it," the pope said at the World Meeting of Popular Movements, his own initiative for grassroots organizations and church leadership to work together for structural changes in favor of social, economic and racial justice.

He called on several corporate institutions to make foundational changes aligned with helping disadvantaged people ― pharmaceutical labs to release vaccine patents; financial groups to cancel poor countries' debts; extractive industries to cease destroying the environment; arms manufacturers to stop production; telecommunications giants to make educational material and connectivity more accessible, and more.

He also demanded that the media push harder against disinformation, tech giants "stop preying on human weakness," and food corporations "stop imposing monopolistic systems of production and distribution that inflate prices and end up withholding bread from the hungry."

"In the name of God, I call on powerful countries to stop aggression, blockades and unilateral sanctions against any country anywhere on earth. No to neo-colonialism," he said. "Conflicts must be resolved in multilateral fora such as the United Nations. We have already seen how unilateral interventions, invasions and occupations end up, even if they are justified by noble motives and fine words.

"This system, with its relentless logic of profit, is escaping all human control," he continued. "It is time to slow the locomotive down, an out-of-control locomotive hurtling towards the abyss. There is still time."

The 84-year-old pope from Argentina has previously spoken out on many of the issues he mentioned Saturday, especially urging powerful people to create an economically and environmentally just world where the poor and marginalized aren't left behind by the wealthy elite.

On Saturday, he reiterated his support of protesters ― specifically young people ― who use their transformative power to fight injustice.

"Do you know what comes to mind now when, together with popular movements, I think of the good Samaritan? ... The protests over the death of George Floyd," he said. "It is clear that this type of reaction against social, racial or macho injustice can be manipulated or exploited by political machinations or whatever, but the main thing is that, in that protest against this death, there was the collective Samaritan who is no fool! This movement did not pass by on the other side of the road when it saw the injury to human dignity caused by an abuse of power."

Pope Francis is considered one of the most progressive pontiffs ever, having cautioned Catholics to focus on serving the poor and oppressed rather than becoming "obsessed" with topics like abortion, same-sex marriage and contraception. He is also one of the most vocal popes in terms of his commentary on social justice, climate change and systemic oppression.

"Together with the poor of the earth, I wish to ask governments in general, politicians of all parties, to represent their people and to work for the common good," he said. "Let them stop listening exclusively to the economic elites, who so often spout superficial ideologies that ignore humanity's real dilemmas. May they be servants of the people who demand land, work, housing and good living."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_tXyYahVfg&t=549

Whether he realizes it or not, this man is complaining about the implementation of Roman Catholic Social Justice within our nation, and rightly so.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/senate-passes-1-7-trillion-omnibus-bill-68-29-vote-sends-legislation-house/

QuoteJUST IN: Senate Passes $1.7 Trillion Omnibus Bill in 68-29 Vote – Here are the 18 Republicans Who Voted For the Monstrosity

The Senate on Thursday passed the $1.7 trillion Omnibus spending bill in a 68-29 vote.

"The package includes $858 billion in defense spending, a nearly 10 percent increase over the previous fiscal year, and $787 billion in nondefense spending, close to an 8 percent increase. It also would provide roughly $85 billion in supplemental funding for Ukraine and disaster relief." Roll Call reported.

The bill will now head to the House of Representatives ahead of the Friday night deadline to avert a partial government shutdown.

The 4,000+ page bill was rammed through the senate.

There is no funding for border security, however the bill contains nearly $45 billion in additional military aid for Ukraine.

The legislation contains billions of dollars in special interest earmarks and pork.

Here are the Republicans who voted for the monstrosity:

Blunt, Boozman, Capito, Collins, Cornyn, Cotton, Graham, Inhofe, McConnell, Moran, Murkowski, Portman, Romney, Rounds, Shelby, Thune, Wicker, Young.

https://delauro.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/catholic-members-congress-release-statement-principles

Quoted article below from link above. Emphasis is mine.

QuoteCatholic Members of Congress Release Statement of Principles

WASHINGTON, DC — U.S. House of Representatives Rosa DeLauro (CT-03), Sylvia Garcia (TX-29), and Brendan Boyle (PA-02) today led nearly 60 Catholic Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives in releasing a statement of principles. The statement documents how their faith influences them as lawmakers, making clear their commitment to the basic principles at the heart of Catholic social teaching and their bearing on policy. From increasing access to high quality education and health or reducing poverty, the document expresses the signers' commitment to the dignity of life and their belief that government has moral purpose.

The statement and the list of signers can be found here and below.

As Catholic Democrats in Congress, we are proud to be part of the living Catholic tradition – a tradition that unfailingly promotes the common good, expresses a consistent moral framework for life, and highlights the need to provide a collective safety net to those individuals in society who are the most vulnerable. As legislators in the U.S. House of Representatives, we work every day to advance respect for life and the dignity of every human being. We believe that government has moral purpose.

We are committed to making real the basic principles that are at the heart of Catholic social teaching: helping the poor, disadvantaged, and the oppressed, protecting the least among us, and ensuring that all Americans of every faith are given meaningful opportunities to share in the blessings of this great country. That commitment is fulfilled in different ways by legislators but includes: reducing the rising rates of poverty, particularly child poverty; increasing access to education for all; pressing for access to universal health care; recognizing the dignity of all humans; and repairing long-standing racial and gender inequities in our society. Each of these issues challenges our obligations as Catholics to community and helping those in need.

We envision a world in which every child belongs to a loving family and agree with the Catholic Church about the value of human life. Each of us is committed to reducing the number of unintended pregnancies and creating an environment with policies that encourage pregnancies to be carried to term and provide resources to raise healthy and secure children. We believe this includes promoting alternatives to abortion, such as adoption, improving access to children's healthcare and child care, and creating a child benefit through the expanded and improved Child Tax Credit.

In all these issues, we seek the Church's guidance and assistance but believe also in the primacy of conscience. In recognizing the Church's role in providing moral leadership, we acknowledge and accept the tension that comes with being in disagreement with the Church in some areas. We recognize that no political party is perfectly in accord with all aspects of Church doctrine. This fact speaks to the secular nature of American democracy, not the devotion of our democratically elected leaders. Yet we believe we can speak to the fundamental issues that unite us as Catholics and lend our voices to changing the political debate – a debate that often fails to reflect and encompass the depth and complexity of these issues.

We also urge the Church to heed the words of Our Holy Father Pope Francis, who wrote in his Apostolic Exhortation, "The Joy of the Gospel," that the Eucharist although it is the fullness of sacramental life, is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak." Further, the Holy Father extolls that clergy must act as facilitators of grace, not arbiters, because "the Church is not a tollhouse; it is the house of the Father, where there is a place for everyone, with all their problems." As legislators, we too are charged with being facilitators of the Constitution which guarantees religious freedom for all Americans. In doing so, we guarantee our right to live our own lives as Catholics but also foster an America with a rich diversity of faiths.

We believe the separation of church and state allows for our faith to inform our public duties and best serve our constituents. The Sacrament of Holy Communion is central to the life of practicing Catholics, and the weaponization of the Eucharist to Democratic lawmakers for their support of a woman's safe and legal access to abortion is contradictory. No elected officials have been threatened with being denied the Eucharist as they support and have supported policies contrary to the Church teachings, including supporting the death penalty, separating migrant children from their parents, denying asylum to those seeking safety in the United States, limiting assistance for the hungry and food insecure, and denying rights and dignity to immigrants.

We solemnly urge you to not move forward and deny this most holy of all sacraments, the source and the summit of the whole work of the gospel over one issue. We remind you that the Second Vatican Council renewed emphasis on the Eucharist as the central focus, especially in the Council's Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy: "For the liturgy, 'through which the work of our redemption is accomplished,' most of all in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, is the outstanding means whereby the faithful may express in their lives, and manifest to others, the mystery of Christ and the real nature of the true Church." To pursue a blanket denial of the Holy Eucharist to certain elected officials would indeed grieve the Holy Spirit and deny the evolution of that individual, a Christian person who is never perfect, but living in the struggle to get there.

As Catholic Democrats who embrace the vocation and mission of the laity as expressed by the late Pope John Paul II in his Apostolic Exhortation, Christifideles Laici, we believe that the Church is the "people of God," called to be a moral force in the broadest sense. We believe the Church as a community is called to be in the vanguard of creating a more just America and world. And as such, we have a claim on the Church's bearing as it does on ours.

Rosa DeLauro, Sylvia Garcia, Brendan Boyle, Norma Torres, Veronica Escobar, Grace F. Napolitano, Gerry Connolly
Marie Newman, Jackie Speier, Henry Cuellar, Linda Sánchez, Mike Thompson, Cindy Axne, Cheri Bustos, Nanette Barragan, Anna Eshoo, Jimmy Panetta, John B. Larson, Joe Courtney, Mike Doyle, Thomas R. Suozzi, James R. Langevin, Pete Aguilar, James P. McGovern, Ruben Gallego, Greg Stanton, Jim Costa, Jesús "Chuy" García, Frank Mrvan, Stephen Lynch, Anthony Brown, Debbie Dingell, Mikie Sherrill, Frank Pallone, Teresa Leger Fernández, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Joe Morelle, Nydia M. Velázquez, Madeleine Dean, Mary Gay Scanlon, Matt Cartwright
Lou Correa, Juan Vargas, Kathleen Rice, Betty McCollum, Bill Pascrell, Jr., Lucille Roybal-Allard, Paul Tonko
Lori Trahan, Joaquin Castro, Filemon Vela, Ted Lieu, Jimmy Gomez, Peter Welch, Raúl M. Grijalva, Adriano Espaillat
Mark DeSaulnier, Susie Lee, Albio Sires

Notice that these Catholics refer to the United States, as a secularist democracy, not a Protestant Democratic Republic. Though this nation never would have existed without without the aid and input of the majority Protestants who approved of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. And went to war to help established it.  At variance with and to the Pope of Rome and the Vatican. Who have now done what the papacy has always done.

Which is subvert and usurp the power and wealth of other nations, built by the peoples of those nations, unto her own ends. Destroying said nations in the process. The continued mass migrations of her adherents from the Catholic nations south of our boarder, are to finalize the processes she began well over a century ago in other mass migrations of Roman Catholics hear from abroad. The ever increasing numbers of whom, she uses to subvert and take over nations from within. Destroying freedom, liberty, prosperity, and morality along the way.

This elitist manipulative organization who ruled over the dark ages, whose usurped authority the world overwhelmingly rejected in both the Protestant Reformation and the French Revolution, is being resurrected the world over again. Unto a new global dark ages. This is nothing less than the healing of the mortal wound of the first beast of the book of Revelation chapter thirteen. The resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire. The final beast of biblical prophecy, who is one of the seven, and also an eighth.

Those who once rejected and came out from under her abusive rule, Protestantism and Secular Humanism, are returning to her fold as apostate defeated foes. Ever increasingly joining hands with the papacy, the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. So be it as biblical prophecy has determined. 

QuoteThus does the anomalous character of the Papacy prove it to be the antitype of "the little horn." This power is unlike all others; is uncongenial with all others. It is a usurper, a supplanter. We can readily conceive, how a spiritual power, either associated with the state, or entirely independent of the state, may exist without discord or collision. If the church be entirely distinct from the political institutions of a people, there can of course be no disturbance, as there is no contact. And if a church be established by law, as the operations of the religious and the political systems are kept in distinct spheres, there may be but occasional evils growing out of such union. But for a government that claims its existence jure divino, that sets up a universal empire, that arrogates to itself supremacy in all civil, as well as ecclesiastical matters — for a government that considers itself infallible, and which requires absolute submission in all its subjects — for such a government to exist in the midst of other governments; in its very principles trampling upon their rights and privileges; wielding both a temporal and a spiritual sword; punishing offenders both in this world and the next — for such a government to exist in harmony with other governments, is impossible, absolutely impossible. The papal system can harmonize with no other, whether religious or political. To the religious world, it exhibits one supreme pontiff of Christendom, and requires for him universal obedience. To the political world, it presents one great monarch, whose throne is above every throne, and whose will is law throughout the globe. No the Papacy is a unit, and presents the front of positive hostility to every thing that is not consolidated in itself. It may not be able to carry out its principles and
wishes, but this is its nature. It is "diverse from all other governments; it is the adversary of all other governments.(CHRIST AND ANTICHRIST, by Samuel J. CasselsChapter 3, Pgs. 155&156)

In America, particularly, is this investigation important. In all the countries over which it has triumphed, Popery, like the anaconda, has wound around its folds of art, of cunning, of superstition and of power, until, enclosing everything in its too friendly embraces, it has, with one tremendous effort, crushed the nation to death. It sends forth its missionaries; it gathers its schools and colleges; it erects its cathedrals and builds its churches; it is patriotic, benevolent, charitable. Its alms and offerings attract the vulgar, its austerities and penances convince the sceptical. It is at first tolerated; then approved; next obeyed! But now come the dread realities of the system, taxation, passive submission, excommunications, interdicts, crusades, the inquisition, destruction. Yes, Popery has well nigh destroyed every country in which it has been predominant. The liberties and national prosperity of a people cannot coexist with such a system.

Let then, Americans — Americans, who have never witnessed a Court of Inquisition, or an Auto-da-fe, on their virgin soil; Americans, whose national liberties are still fragrant with the blood of revolutionary forefathers; Americans, whose proud eminence in the civilized world, gives them more to lose than other nations; let Americans especially examine this subject well. And if, in such an examination, the following pages shall contribute but a mite to the discovery of the truth, the author will feel himself more than compensated for the labor they have cost him. (CHRIST AND ANTICHRIST, by Samuel J. Cassels, PART 2 ANTICHRIST OR THE PAPACY PROVED TO BE THE ANTICHRIST PREDICTED IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, INTRODUCTORY REMARKS, Pgs. 125&126)

https://www.complicitclergy.com/2022/12/18/nearly-70-of-catholics-in-congress-voted-in-favor-of-homosexual-marriage/

Quoted article below from link above.

QuoteNearly 70% of Catholics in Congress Voted In-Favor of Homosexual Marriage

Will bishops do anything besides issuing another meaningless memorandum?

The House of Representatives on Thursday voted to pass the so-called Respect for Marriage Act, sending the legislation to President Joe Biden's desk to be signed into law.

There are 130 Catholics serving in the House of Representatives, of which 74 are Democrats and 56 are Republicans. CatholicVote Communications Director Joshua Mercer noted after the vote that out of the 130 Catholics, 89 voted to redefine marriage, while only 40 Catholics voted no. (One member, Rep. Kevin Brady, a Catholic Republican from Texas, did not vote.)

"There are 74 Catholic Democrats in the House of Representatives and they all voted to redefine marriage and expose religious organizations to years of lawfare from harassing lawsuits," Mercer said:

Sadly, 15 of the 56 Catholic Republicans in the House (27% of them) complied with this Democrat-sponsored legislation. We are thankful for the 40 Catholic Republicans in the House who stood their ground and voted no on this dangerous legislation.

CatholicVote strongly opposed the legislation, warning members of Congress that it would result in terrible consequences for the religious freedom of Catholic individuals and institutions.

"The act purports to defend same-sex and interracial marriages, yet neither institution is under attack, and the act adds zero new protections for same-sex marriages that the Supreme Court's decision in Obergefell v. Hodges didn't already provide," wrote CatholicVote President Brian Burch for Newsweek shortly before the House vote:

The legislation's real effect, in addition to repealing the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, will be to expose people of faith to a host of potential lawsuits from left-wing activists seeking to silence their voices. That seems to be the point.

What would have happened with this bill, without the Catholic vote on the side of biblically defined sin and immorality? How many other bills which are destructive to this country, are passed because of a Catholic majority vote?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRjGE8b4ueM

Trudeau promising not to take Canadians guns away.

https://winepressnews.com/2022/07/06/trudeau-admits-that-he-is-banning-all-guns-in-canada/

QuoteTrudeau Admits That He Is 'Banning' All Guns In Canada

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that he and his Liberal Party are working to effectively ban all firearms in the nation.

A little over a month ago The WinePress reported that Canada began a nationwide freeze on the purchase of handguns, after having already banned thousands of different assault rifles and high-magazine weapons.

Yesterday during a press conference in Toronto, Trudeau had a Freudian Slip and admitted that the real intentions were to outright ban all firearms.

"Whether it's our most recent initiatives on banning—sorry, on freezing the market for firearms, which will start moving us in the right direction over the medium and long term.

Yes, we see a debate around gun control, but there's not a debate around whether our communities need to be safer, whether we need to keep kids safe from violence, whether we need to see fewer gun shot victims in our ERs. There is no debate around that. There are lots of important conversations around how to best do that but as we know, there's no one magic way of doing it."

Trudeau said

Since the original announcement of the gun freeze, Summit News reports that a massive increase on gun purchases occurred with people lined up outside arms dealers.

Trudeau, another lying, manipulative, traitorous, Roman Catholic papal puppet. Disarming his citizens according to Roman Catholic intent for all nations. That all may be at the mercy of the globalist authoritarians BABYLON THE GREAT is in bed with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwz4tPlOYs0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MlTjws-y8U&t=17s

Good one about the Jesuits and Catholicism.

Quote from: Amo on Sat Feb 25, 2023 - 08:56:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MlTjws-y8U&t=17s

Good one about the Jesuits and Catholicism.

Thank you Amo,

While this is very good about those pesky "Jesuits" I found what is talked about at 7:53 in this very brief film to be totally eye opening.. for me. And knowing what we do about the Jesuit's agenda it makes total sense.

It is just too bad that most will not bother to watch this 20 minute long presentation from beginning to end.... and even sad that most will not watch from approx 7:51 to 10:57

But I did transcribe the close captioning portions of this narrow time so the curious can see what they are missing....
I place the punctuations and sentence breaks based on the actual speaking of what was being said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MlTjws-y8U&t=17s

QuoteMany of you are familiar with the big band theoryone might think that a secular atheist devised the theory as
an alternate explanation for how life began to exist on Earth

If you thought so you are in for a rude awakening ,um, what's the meaning of life, why is there anything, how did it all
start, that to me seems to be scientific.

Questions or potentially scientific questions, if there are some questions of that sort that science can never answer then we should at least keep trying to answer them and if ...

[2 Timothy 3:7
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.]

...science can't answer them religion having a crack at  answering them if there's no reason to think that religion
has any any basis for an answer then why would religion have a crack, why would you bother to listen to
religion having a crack at answering them, um, I mean one thing I would say is there ay be questions that science
can't answer like the origin of everything.

But if science can't answer then religion certainly can't and nothing else can either but one Jesuit scientist has
far more vast influence on modern science then people can imagine.

And one of the most respected astrophysicists in North America, Neil deGrasse Tyson informs us where he gets his information from.
( He is the New Spearker at this point)

You learn ,oh, the molecules and the atoms of those molecules in my body are traceable to Stars across the Galaxy that have lived their lives,  manufacture these  elements and exploded them into the universe which new generations of star systems were formed .

We had a big bang, big bang put everything in motion. I'm good with that. We're good.  The person who did that was a Belgian priest, George Lemator. He's a, he's a  priest, physicist, physicist priest.

Okay what a cool thing to have on your business card, You got every, you got people coming and going with that but ,uh, but he calculated what the implications of Einstein's general relativity which was the new theory of gravity would be with Hubble's expanding universe and he says the whole universe may have begun in a singular point in the past and thus the
Big Bang , as a phrase, was used pejoratively of this idea but it stuck.
According to the Catholic Press the big bang...

[ "The Big Bang theory was first described, but not so named, by the French Jesuit George Lemaitre in the late 1920s]

-The Catholic Herald, January 13, 2012 ]

...theory was first described but not named by  the French Jesuit George Lemaitre in the late 1920s

Georges lametri is a Jesuit whose theory he first  proposed in 1931. That was actually called , at the time, the Primeval Atom hypothesis.

And it is amazing that a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest  can make many all over the world believe that an explosion just appeared from nowhere and formed the universe  and the planet we now inhabit and steer the direction
of the actual physicists in the  scientific Community

+1 for this one Amo

Quote from: Rella on Tue Feb 28, 2023 - 08:05:57
Thank you Amo,

While this is very good about those pesky "Jesuits" I found what is talked about at 7:53 in this very brief film to be totally eye opening.. for me. And knowing what we do about the Jesuit's agenda it makes total sense.

It is just too bad that most will not bother to watch this 20 minute long presentation from beginning to end.... and even sad that most will not watch from approx 7:51 to 10:57

But I did transcribe the close captioning portions of this narrow time so the curious can see what they are missing....
I place the punctuations and sentence breaks based on the actual speaking of what was being said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MlTjws-y8U&t=17s

First, I would be careful taking what Neil deGrasse Tyson has to say about any religious concept.  He is a solid Leftist and his political views mirror that very closely. I think he is probably a good physicist, but his theology falls flat.  His being an atheist doesn't make him a bad physicist.

Second, I don't think that George LeMaitre proclaimed that "an explosion just appeared from nowhere and formed the universe".  At least I have never read where he said that.  I couldn't find any statement to that effect.  That may be the view of the narrator of the video, but not LeMaitre.  I have no doubt that LeMaitre considered that it was God which created the big bang and that it did not just appear from nowhere. I will hold to that until I am shown otherwise with a LeMaitre quote.

Quote from: 4WD on Tue Feb 28, 2023 - 09:01:50
First, I would be careful taking what Neil deGrasse Tyson has to say about any religious concept.  He is a solid Leftist and his political views mirror that very closely. I think he is probably a good physicist, but his theology falls flat.  His being an atheist doesn't make him a bad physicist.

Second, I don't think that George LeMaitre proclaimed that "an explosion just appeared from nowhere and formed the universe".  At least I have never read where he said that.  I couldn't find any statement to that effect.  That may be the view of the narrator of the video, but not LeMaitre.  I have no doubt that LeMaitre considered that it was God which created the big bang and that it did not just appear from nowhere. I will hold to that until I am shown otherwise with a LeMaitre quote.

Sigh,

I had a longer reply with many links on him.... I was called away before I could finish and post.

Now , 6 hours later it is gone.

Not going to redo it.... though I could .... it is saved elsewhere but will post just these two...

Hmmm.

You said... I have no doubt that LeMaitre considered that it was God which created the big bang and that it did not just appear from nowhere.

As to if he had any concept that God did or did not I found...

It is tempting to think that Lemaître's deeply-held religious beliefs might have led him to the notion of a beginning of time. After all, the Judeo-Christian tradition had propagated a similar idea for millennia. Yet Lemaître clearly insisted that there was neither a connection nor a conflict between his religion and his science. Rather he kept them entirely separate, treating them as different, parallel interpretations of the world, both of which he believed with personal conviction. Indeed, when Pope Pius XII referred to the new theory of the origin of the universe as a scientific validation of the Catholic faith, Lemaître was rather alarmed. Delicately, for that was his way, he tried to separate the two:

https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang

And as to "Second, I don't think that George LeMaitre proclaimed that "an explosion just appeared from nowhere and formed the universe"

You are right... he did not. He was more into the expansion (Think Hubble) from a tiny point.

From Britannica see the transcript in the following link.

So it's not surprising that it was a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaitre, who was one of the first major proponents of a new scientific viewpoint that the universe did have a beginning. Lemaitre, of course, was also an excellent mathematician and scientist and based this conviction not just on his religious beliefs but upon new experimental evidence from Edwin Hubble that showed the universe was expanding. This evidence, combined with the mathematics of general relativity, allowed Lemaitre to rewind cosmic history and calculate that the farther back in time you go, the smaller the universe had to be.

The natural conclusion is that everything we can currently see in the universe was at one point in time more or less at one point in space. Lemaitre called this idea the primeval atom, but of course, today we know it as the big bang theory, except big bang is a horrible name. It would be much more accurate to call it the everywhere stretch, because one of the most common misconceptions about the big bang is that it implies that the entire universe was compressed into a single point, from which it then somehow expanded into the surrounding nothingness.

It is true that the observable universe-- that is, the part of the whole universe we can see from Earth-- was indeed shrunk down to a very, very small bit of space, but that bit of space was not a single point, nor was the rest of the universe also in that same bit of space.

https://www.https://study.com/learn/lesson/george-lemaitre-the-big-bang-theory-how-did-george-lemaitre-discover-the-big-bang.htmlbritannica.com/video/185523/Georges-Lemaitre-big-bang-theory-space-expansion-relation.

But if he tied creation into God and not expansion from a point... or that point to God, he was silent on that.

Not at all unusual for a Jesuit trained in the future of what would be coming. He was just a little gog in a big wheel of ideas
on the religious end. And we have no way of knowing if his separation of science and religion was by design.
It just seems odd that he , when Pope Pius XII referred to the new theory of the origin of the universe as a scientific validation of the Catholic faith, Lemaître was rather alarmed[/b][/color]. Delicately, for that was his way, he tried to separate the two[/size]

The scientist who would inject religion into a scientific endeavor would be a poor scientist since that is not within the purview of science.  It is not surprising to find that LeMaitre would see the pope's statement as improper.  That doesn't mean that he didn't think it was God who initiated the big bang; that would be a conclusion based upon theological considerations and is not the result of any scientific analysis. Science cannot validate faith.  It can only validate the data which supports faith.

Quote from: 4WD on Wed Mar 01, 2023 - 04:56:25
The scientist who would inject religion into a scientific endeavor would be a poor scientist since that is not within the purview of science.  It is not surprising to find that LeMaitre would see the pope's statement as improper.  That doesn't mean that he didn't think it was God who initiated the big bang; that would be a conclusion based upon theological considerations and is not the result of any scientific analysis. Science cannot validate faith.  It can only validate the data which supports faith.

WRONG!

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

God is revealed, no clearly seen, by examining the things which He has made. They are the evidence of God, and His most obvious divinely intelligent design. Those who deny this, deny God. As His word declares such to be proof of His creative power.

Isa 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. 26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

The stars themselves, are to remind the created, who created them.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

There is no science apart from God. There is nothing apart from God. All knowledge and truth proceeds from God. Therefore, any science so called, which excludes God, is false science.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

How silly, to suggest that the study of what is, cannot lead to or be connected with the very one who created and sustains it all. Nonsense!

Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. 7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. 12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There is no good reason for a professed Bible believer, to insist that science must remain separate fro God. Science should be the persuit of knowledge and truth. God created and is the standard of knowledge and truth, as well as everything else.

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

The above principle is of course applicable to the so called sciences of our day as well. Especially in regards to those who demand science and God have nothing to do with each other. Just who do yo think inspires the separation of anything from God? Let alone a field professing to establish knowledge and truth. The sciences of this world so called which do so, are among the religions of this world as well. God is not a religion. He is all in all. Knowledge, truth, and the plain and simple fact of the matter. Any matter. In reality, there is no separating anything from God. Only false religions and or religious faith, do so.

This is the clear and concise teaching of holy scripture.

http://adventmessenger.org/a-most-important-end-time-sign-the-rise-fall-and-restoration-of-the-temporal-power-of-the-papacy-part-2/

This article is too long to copy and paste here for convenience. It may be viewed in its entirety at the link above.

QuoteA Most Important End-Time Sign: The Rise, Fall, and Restoration of the Temporal Power of the Papacy (Part 2)

http://adventmessenger.org/pope-francis-divisions-and-attacks-are-always-the-work-of-the-devil/

Article below from link above.

QuotePope Francis: "Divisions and Attacks are Always the Work of the Devil"

On April 11, 2023, the Vatican released part of an interview that Pope Francis had with Italian journalist Fabio Marchese Ragona. During the interview, Pope Francis expressed "that the Devil always tries to attack everyone and sow discord, even in the Church, trying to set up one against the other." [1] It is a fact that Pope Francis has been working to bring all the various churches together and create a global fraternity among the nations. On this occasion, Pope Francis claimed that all divisions are the doings of the devil during a discussion on demon possession and exorcism.

The Pope said:

"Yes, it is true, as Saint Paul VI said, that the Devil can also enter the Temple of God, to sow discord and turn one against the other: divisions and attacks are always the work of the Devil. He always tries to insinuate himself to corrupt the heart and mind of man." [1]

Pope Francis blames divisions on the Devil because it provides a convenient explanation for things that may be difficult to accept. By attributing divisions to Satan, people may feel like they are absolving themselves of personal responsibility and avoiding the uncomfortable reality that sometimes division is a good thing and sometimes our bad behavior is the cause. Separation is not always the work of the enemy. In fact, the Greek word for the church is "ekklesia," which means "called out." The church is made up of those who have been "called out of darkness" (1 Peter 2:9). God's people have also been called to "come out" of Babylon (Revelation 18:4).

This is the biblical and godly response to the beast power of Revelation 13 that claims to have changed the law of God. We cannot become enamored with all the false religions, as many church leaders are doing today. We cannot be duped by an ecumenical agenda, as so many have been. And, as Pope Francis is attempting, we should not try to unite all of the world's religions into one universal family.

At the very time that Pope Francis is calling the world to unite, and as the Vatican rejoices that the world is following her lead and restoring her temporal power, there is a voice from heaven that is calling for division rather than unity with Babylon. The call of God is, "Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues" (Revelation 18:4).

This is the message for this hour. It is a message to bring deliverance to those who have been captivated by heresy, falsehoods, and idolatry. The call is to come out so that we can keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). God's Spirit is working on making His army of faithful servants a light in the dark places of the earth: the prisons, our inner cities, the sin-ravaged communities, the heathen lands, and every nation. Soon, all the ends of the earth will have the opportunity to see the salvation of our God through the final invitation of mercy. May the Lord keep us faithful in His service so that He can use us to the very end, and then may we be found waiting and ready.

"But there is no union between the Prince of light and the prince of darkness, and there can be no union between their followers. When Christians consented to unite with those who were but half converted from paganism, they entered upon a path which led farther and farther from the truth. Satan exulted that he had succeeded in deceiving so large a number of the followers of Christ. He then brought his power to bear more fully upon these, and inspired them to persecute those who remained true to God ... After a long and severe conflict, the faithful few decided to dissolve all union with the apostate church if she still refused to free herself from falsehood and idolatry. They saw that separation was an absolute necessity if they would obey the Word of God. They dared not tolerate errors fatal to their own souls, and set an example which would imperil the faith of their children and children's children. To secure peace and unity they were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God; but they felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war" (Great Controversy, pp. 44, 45).

Quote from: Amo on Fri Apr 14, 2023 - 09:43:22
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When Christians consented to unite with those who were but half converted from paganism, they entered upon a path which led farther and farther from the truth.



"Cause That's the truth"!!!

The question remains who were these Christians mixing it up with these so called half converted Pagans? Could it be the church on 7 hills from where many believe were the original Christians?

Frankie knows but he is not talking and the world, as well as Rome,  has been led astray from the truth... 

There was already division and different practices in the NT churches.  Read Acts.

As far as Frankie goes, I give him as much credence as I do EG White.

Quote from: Rella on Fri Apr 14, 2023 - 10:40:49

When Christians consented to unite with those who were but half converted from paganism, they entered upon a path which led farther and farther from the truth.



"Cause That's the truth"!!!

The question remains who were these Christians mixing it up with these so called half converted Pagans? Could it be the church on 7 hills from where many believe were the original Christians?

Frankie knows but he is not talking and the world, as well as Rome,  has been led astray from the truth... 

To a large extent, the church on 7 hills is the result of a united church and state, that is to say legislated "Christianity". Roman Emperors mandating "Christianity", brought countless unconverted souls into the "faith". Which of course was not faith at all, but submission to tyrannical mandates. These unconverted souls of course, brought their old religion and practices with them. Starting with Constantine himself, a devout sun worshipper intent upon amalgamating all the religions of his empire into one system under his direct control. Power hungry tyrants are always striving for more and more control. Just as we ever increasingly see today.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Fri Apr 14, 2023 - 10:46:01
There was already division and different practices in the NT churches.  Read Acts.

As far as Frankie goes, I give him as much credence as I do EG White.

No sense in giving credence to those you disagree with. On the other hand, no sense in dissing what others say, if we are not really knowledgable about what they say. I take it from your above statement, that you are apparently well read and informed regarding what the Pope, previous popes, and EGW have written and said. Is that correct?