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Romans 7:21 - 25

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Quote from: Amo on Thu Apr 27, 2023 - 12:40:32
I don't consider any scriptures to be weak. Certainly not conclusive statements like the ones made in the scriptures I shared with you. Why do you consider them weak, and apparently some other scriptures in Romans or Galatians strong? Do the scriptures teach that some of them are weak and others are strong? To the contrary -

2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

I don't consider the scriptures you gave weak.  I consider your argument weak.

Quote from: Jaime on Thu Apr 27, 2023 - 12:48:37
Romans 7:21 - 25

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Start earlier concerning the Law of Moses.

Romans 7

1Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

As Nesus properly interpreted the law in the sermon on the mount, he RAISED the bar not remove the bar. The spirit of the law was put back as God intended the law. Don't just not mirder, don't even be angry in hour heart. (Raised bar). Also, don't jist not commit the act of adultery, don't list in your heart for another woman. (Raised bar) jesus tesored the law or filled it back up from what the Pharisees etc had emptied it of - the spirit. Jesus cleansed the Law of the traditions of men added by the Pharisees.

Quote from: Jaime on Thu Apr 27, 2023 - 14:02:34
As Nesus properly interpreted the law in the sermon on the mount, he RAISED the bar not remove the bar. The spirit of the law was put back as God intended the law. Don't just not mirder, don't even be angry in hour heart. (Raised bar). Also, don't jist not commit the act of adultery, don't list in your heart for another woman. (Raised bar)

We are not under the law of Moses, that is what my comments were directed about. 

To comment on your tangent discussion, Jesus didn't properly interpret the law in the Sermon on the Mount.  He elevated what He expected for His kingdom.  The Jews rejected it.

He elevated it back to what God had originally intended from what  the Jews had perverted, with their added on traditions of men. God's Law as originally intended and as Jesus restored it to was not hard. His yoke was light as originally intended.

God's Law was not burdensome as originally given by God according to Deut 30.

11 "For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?' 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?' 14 But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
15 "See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. 16 If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you today, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules,2 then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

And according to Jeremiah 31:33 under the new covenant, the law will be written on our hearts.

Not back to what God had intended, that line of thinking is entirely false.  The Law of Moses with the decalogue and the ceremonial law, was a blessings and curses covenant.  It exposed sin.  It worked as intended right from the start.

See Galatians 3

I'm very aware of Galatians 3 and yes the law was restored back by Jesus to what God intended. Not a burden to obey and a blessing for one's life.

Galatians 3 indicates the curse or penalty of the law is removed. Paul said the Law is holy and good.

As to the traditions of men:

Mathew 15

1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu Apr 27, 2023 - 14:06:52
We are not under the law of Moses, that is what my comments were directed about. 

To comment on your tangent discussion, Jesus didn't properly interpret the law in the Sermon on the Mount.  He elevated what He expected for His kingdom.  The Jews rejected it.

First, we are not discussing the law of Moses, we are discussing the law of God. The ten commandments. Second, are you suggesting that Jesus who is God, improperly interpreted the commandments of God while specifically addressing them? While you and others who agree with your views do properly interpret them? Do you also believe that the teachings of other apostles, Paul in particular, contradict our Lord's testimony in Mathew chapter five?

No one here is saying that we are under the law of Moses, or that the saved in Christ are under any law. Though apparently there is a difference of understanding regarding what being under the law actually means. I think we all agree that being under the law includes being under its condemnation, which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has freed His own from. The difference I suppose is regarding whether we are subject to the law of God anymore, or not. Do you believe that being under the law, and being subject to the law, are the same thing?

Quote from: Amo on Fri Apr 28, 2023 - 08:10:23
The difference I suppose is regarding whether we are subject to the law of God anymore, or not. Do you believe that being under the law, and being subject to the law, are the same thing?

Do you?  In answering, please give us what you think each of those two things, being under the law and being subject to the law, mean.

Quote from: Amo on Fri Apr 28, 2023 - 08:10:23
Second, are you suggesting that Jesus who is God, improperly interpreted the commandments of God while specifically addressing them?

You appear to suffer from reading comprehension issues.  Nowhere did I suggest Jesus improperly interpreted the commandments of God.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Fri Apr 28, 2023 - 09:19:54
You appear to suffer from reading comprehension issues.  Nowhere did I suggest Jesus improperly interpreted the commandments of God.

Emphasis in the following quote is mine.

QuoteWe are not under the law of Moses, that is what my comments were directed about. 

To comment on your tangent discussion, Jesus didn't properly interpret the law in the Sermon on the Mount.  He elevated what He expected for His kingdom.  The Jews rejected it.

Kind of looks like you said "Jesus didn't properly interpret the law in the Sermon on the Mount". Does this mean you consider the law of God and the commandments of God to be completely separate?

Quote from: 4WD on Fri Apr 28, 2023 - 09:18:11
Do you?  In answering, please give us what you think each of those two things, being under the law and being subject to the law, mean.

What difference does it make to you? If all are free to interpret all scripture to say what ever they think? Apart from which, I did not ask you this question. Not to mention, you answered my question with a question. If you would like a response to your question, please answer mine first. After which I will be glad to reciprocate.

Quote from: Amo on Fri Apr 28, 2023 - 14:29:55
If you would like a response to your question, please answer mine first. After which I will be glad to reciprocate.

Your question:

Quote from: Amo on Fri Apr 28, 2023 - 08:10:23
Do you believe that being under the law, and being subject to the law, are the same thing?

My answer: No.

Quote from: 4WD on Sat Apr 29, 2023 - 06:21:46
Your question:My answer: No.

Agreed.

http://adventmessenger.org/a-catholic-bishop-says-that-it-is-absolutely-essential-for-us-to-reclaim-the-temporal-and-eternal-sunday-sabbath-blessings/

Quoted article below from link above.

QuoteA Catholic Bishop Says that it is "Absolutely Essential" for us to Reclaim the "Temporal and Eternal" Sunday Sabbath Blessings

The times that we have long awaited are coming. Today, prophecy is being fulfilled so quickly that even those who have clearly understood it stand in awe as we witness a series of events happen one after another. On May 5, 2023, Bishop Robert Reed from the Archdiocese of Boston published an article in The Pilot, a Roman Catholic newspaper, titled "Sabbath: A Blessing We Should Think About Accepting." In this article, the Roman Catholic Bishop stated that Sunday rest has both a temporal and eternal blessing, and we must reclaim the Sunday Sabbath if we are going to live "well-adjusted, purposeful, and sane lives."

Bishop Reed said the following in part:

• "If we must live purposeful lives (and most of us must, to some extent), then it seems absolutely essential for us to reclaim the idea of Sabbath rest if we are to feel peaceful, well-adjusted and — dare I say it — sane." [1]

• "Jesus taught that 'the Sabbath is for man, and not man for the Sabbath' (Mk 2:27), indicating that this one day of the week is meant to be a blessing, rather than a burden, to those who observe it. We know that God rested after seven days of work, and God really did work quite extensively before resting. I mean, when was the last time you created a universe in a week?" [1]

• "I suggest we Christians take a long hard look at the Sabbath, which for us is on Sunday. Whether you're single, or married with a family, young or old, living alone or with a roommate, woman, man, priest, bishop: We all need a day of rest." [1]

• "Imagine Sunday as a day completely different from any other day of the week, a day to give glory to God and to worship him, a day to get to know and care for your family or your spouse or your neighbors or your roommates better, a day to rest and to think of other — otherworldly! — things!" [1]

• "The Sabbath was made for us! It is a gift designed and ordered to our good. Let us find a way to embrace the gift, to take advantage of the temporal and eternal blessings of this weekly day of rest." [1]

First of all, the First Angels' Message (Revelation 14:7) calls us to give glory to God and to worship Him by keeping the Sabbath of creation, which is the seventh day (Genesis 2:1–3). Secondly, God did not rest after seven days of work. God's law says that "in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it (Exodus 20:11). Thirdly, there are no "temporal" or "eternal" blessings that come from keeping Sunday holy. Isaiah 66:22–23 clearly tells us that in God's kingdom made new, those who receive eternal life will be keeping the seventh-day Sabbath, Saturday, throughout all eternity.

What's significant, though, is the part where Bishop Reed talks about the "temporal" blessings that come from keeping Sunday holy. That part is especially important because this is talking about reclaiming Sunday rest so that we can restore our personal well-being and stop all of the human misery and disasters that are happening on the earth. In other words, the spurious Sabbath must be exalted for the sake of "temporal" prosperity. The argument is being made that much of the suffering in the world is due to the fact that Sunday is not being observed as the day of rest. This is exactly what will be said during the final conflict when the mark of the beast is enforced:

"It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday-sabbath, that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced, and that those who present the claims of the fourth commandment, thus destroying reverence for Sunday, are troublers of the people, preventing their restoration to divine favor and temporal prosperity" (Great Controversy, p. 589, 590).

Inspiration says that the claim will be made that unless the Sunday Sabbath is restored, there can be no temporal prosperity and that distress and tribulations will continue. And on May 5, 2023, Roman Catholic Bishop Robert Reed said that it is "absolutely necessary" to "reclaim" the "temporal" blessings that come from the Sunday Sabbath. Brothers and sisters, we are seeing these words come to pass in part. This is only the beginning.

We know that human suffering and disasters will become more frequent and intense, and together, the calls for Sunday rest for temporal prosperity will also increase. This should arouse God's faithful remnant people and all those who know what these things mean to greater activity in spreading the truths of the Third Angel's Message. What is needed is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit must descend upon God's people, causing them to be moved to greater faithfulness and zeal in their service.

QuoteFirst of all, the First Angels' Message (Revelation 14:7) calls us to give glory to God and to worship Him by keeping the Sabbath of creation, which is the seventh day (Genesis 2:1–3).

What Revelation 14:7 says:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."

Revelation 14:7 does NOT say anything about the Sabbath.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu May 11, 2023 - 07:47:58
What Revelation 14:7 says:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."

Revelation 14:7 does NOT say anything about the Sabbath.

Indeed.  The word "Sabbath" never appears in Revelation at all. 

The closest you can come is the idea of "rest," which does appear twice in Rev 14:

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."

Every other use of "rest" in Revelation means remainder. 

Hi Amo,

I am not trying to disparage you and your church's preference of worshipping on a Saturday.

But for once in my life I actually am finding myself in agreement in part with your posted article from the Catholic church.
My agreement is that for a very long time I have felt for what you highlighted in Red in the 4 bullet points...was long needed on this earth.

We all know that God rested on the Seventh Day ... from his creation work.

I am not going to get into if that was a 24 hour period following 144 hours of creation or if it was a longer period based on creation having taken longer.

But read what others... not just myself have commented on this about. ( All bolding or other emphasis in quotes is mine)

https://corechristianity.com/resource-library/articles/faq-why-did-the-sabbath-change-to-sunday/

QuoteWhy is it that Christians have worshiped on Sunday—on the first day of the week as opposed to the last?

First and foremost, I would point to the resurrection of Jesus. Jesus rose again on the first day of the week—on Sunday, the Lord's day—and as a commemoration of that, Christians have gathered together on that day since the days of the apostles. But why?

Well, when you think about a lot of the types and shadows that you had in the Old Testament, whether it was the temple with its sacrifices, or even this idea of Sabbath, eternal rest, they all pointed to Christ. Christ is the rest in whom we enter. The author of the Hebrews talks about this, but Jesus himself says in Matthew 11:28–30: "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Ultimately, Christ is our Sabbath rest. We enter into him by faith. And the earliest believers began gathering together on Sunday because they recognized that they had entered into Christ, the Sabbath rest.

You see this in various places of the Scriptures where it talks about believers gathering together on the first day of the week. For example, in Acts 20 we read that they were gathered together on the first day of the week. Paul talked with them intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. In other words, what you have here is preaching—Paul is giving a sermon (until midnight!)—and also the breaking of bread, probably a reference to the Lord's Supper. You see this earlier in Acts 2:42. You also see gathering on the first day of the week referenced in 1 Corinthians 16.

From the very beginning of the church, we see the apostles of our Lord Jesus himself gathering together on Sunday. Why? Because they've entered by faith in Jesus into that Sabbath rest. And so we gather together on Sunday, worshiping with the people of God like Christians have done for 2000 years, and we, too, rest in Christ.

It certainly seems that there may have been discussions and chastisements in that day for even PAUL commented in in Colossians 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—


It's important to note that the Sabbath was not simply moved; Christians altered the observance as well as the day. Hallmarks of the early Christian "Lord's day" celebration, according to Justin Martyr (ca. 100-ca. 165), included readings from Scripture (particularly the Gospels), a sermon, communal prayer, and Communion—very different from Jewish Sabbath observance. By Jewish standards, Christians don't keep the Sabbath at all.

Jesus rose again on the first day of the week—on Sunday, the Lord's day—and as a commemoration of that, Christians have gathered together on that day since the days of the apostles.

And not the least of importance of the change can be read here:

https://christianquestions.com/bible-questions/why-was-the-sabbath-changed-to-sunday/

QuoteWhy was the Sabbath changed to Sunday?

Why was the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday when God specifically told the Jewish nation that He had blessed the seventh day and made it holy (Exodus 20:8- 10Open in Logos Bible Software (if available), Leviticus 23:3Open in Logos Bible Software (if available))?

When God adopted the nation of Israel as his peculiar people, he fixed for them a special day of the week, the seventh, to be their Sabbath, or day of rest. This Law specially was directed to the Jewish nation. However, those of us who are Christian and not under that Law Covenant are not bound by its limitation. Indeed, neither Jesus nor the Apostles ever placed the Gospel Church under the Law Covenant at all. This does not mean liberty or freedom to do wrong. Instead we are free to follow the spirit of the Law rather than its letter.

Following the spirit of the Law is true for the entire Ten Commandments, as well as for the Fourth. Thus to us the Seventh Day represents a Rest of a higher character than that of the Law. It is a rest of faith, instead of a physical rest. "We who believe do enter into his rest" (Hebrews 4:3Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)). This rest of faith is based upon our acceptance of Jesus as our satisfaction before God. Jesus was obligated to keep the letter of the Law in a sense and degree that he has not commanded us, his followers. Our goal is to keep the Law's spirit.

Acting along the lines of this liberty, the early Church began to meet on the First Day of the week, because it was on that day that their Redeemer arose from the dead. On that day Jesus appeared to some in the upper room and to two on the way to Emmaus and to Mary, and subsequently to others of the disciples near the tomb. These four manifestations of the Lord's resurrection marked that day in a special sense as a holy day to the early Church. They waited during an entire week and then again he appeared on the first day of the week.

So far as we may know, all of Jesus' eight appearances to his followers after his resurrection were on the first day of the week. No wonder that the Apostles knew it as the Lord's Day. No wonder that they specially associated that with all the blessings of God and a rest of faith that came to them through the Redeemer.

Therefore, we believe that Sunday, the first day of the week, is a good day for us to rest not only from our temporal work, but also, and, more importantly, "rest" in the Lord through worship, study, and fellowship with family and with those of like precious faith. "Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of us be found to have fallen short of it." (Hebrews 4:1Open in Logos Bible Software (if available))

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Quote from: Rella on Thu May 11, 2023 - 12:22:16
It's important to note that the Sabbath was not simply moved; Christians altered the observance as well as the day. Hallmarks of the early Christian "Lord's day" celebration, according to Justin Martyr (ca. 100-ca. 165), included readings from Scripture (particularly the Gospels), a sermon, communal prayer, and Communion—very different from Jewish Sabbath observance. By Jewish standards, Christians don't keep the Sabbath at all.

Jesus rose again on the first day of the week—on Sunday, the Lord's day—and as a commemoration of that, Christians have gathered together on that day since the days of the apostles.

From my reading, the early church wasn't trying to replace Sabbath with Sunday.  They simply added a whole different thing, while retaining the Sabbath. 

Sunday observance was instituted because they had a problem with meat-that-had-been-sacrificed-to-foreign-gods.  In those days the priests were the butchers.  You brought them your cow or pig, they sacrificed it to their deity-of-choice, cut it up, kept part of the meat as payment, and gave you back the rest to eat or sell.

Market Day was every Sunday.  On this day, the pagans of the world usually did not labor to grow crops and such, but instead they went to the town square (the Agora) and they sold whatever wares they had produced.  This included that meat which had been sacrificed to pagan gods...

As a solution, the Church basically sat up its own observance to compete against Market Day.  Each Sunday they met at the Pnux, which was located outside of town - as far away from the Agora as they could reasonably get everybody to travel.  The observance was not modeled after the Sabbath, which is for rest, but was modeled after the usual functions of the Pnux and the Agora.  That is to say, food was distributed, news was exchanged, and members of the body could make a case to allocate resources to any cause they thought needed addressing, out of the common fund.

Sunday is not a day of rest.  It never was.

Jarrod

In my cofc background Sunday was always a day of rest because most of Protestant Christianity followed the Catholic Church in effect by going along with the Catholics transferring solemnity from the Sabbath to the First Day of the Week.

Quote from: Jaime on Thu May 11, 2023 - 15:35:38
In my cofc background Sunday was always a day of rest because most of Protestant Christianity followed the Catholic Church in effect by going along with the Catholics transferring solemnity from the Sabbath to the First Day of the Week.

I think such an answer sounds nice.  However, there's a bit more to it than that. 

The Gentiles and Jews never quite did things the same way.  Acts and some of the epistles of Paul lay out a bit of struggle between the early Jewish believers and the Gentile believers in matters of worship, etc.

Quote from: Jaime on Thu May 11, 2023 - 15:35:38
In my cofc background Sunday was always a day of rest because most of Protestant Christianity followed the Catholic Church in effect by going along with the Catholics transferring solemnity from the Sabbath to the First Day of the Week.

I've been to a few masses, and let me tell you they weren't very restful.  Kneel.  Now stand.  No kneel again.  Repeat after me.  Oi!

Jarrod

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu May 11, 2023 - 07:47:58
What Revelation 14:7 says:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."

Revelation 14:7 does NOT say anything about the Sabbath.

No, it doesn't specifically address the Sabbath, just alludes to exactly what God's seventh day Sabbath calls for.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Believing God, and acting accordingly is the highest form of worship. The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord our God. He established it and made it holy, exactly to commemorate His creation of the earth, sea, and all that is in them. No one can change this divinely established fact, but God Himself, and He never has. When He came and dwelt among us, He even conclusively stated that He did not come in order to change the law of God, but rather to fulfill or establish it. No person for any reason, has the authority to change a law written with the finger of God for humanity twice in stone, and spoken audibly by His own mouth to an entire nation. It is God's sabbath, not the Jew's sabbath, or anyone else's. No man or human institution has the authority to change this. Only Antichrist would claim such authority. It was established at creation before there ever was an Israelite, observed by the first Christians, and will be kept in the new heaven and earth.

Today, it is completely ignored by the vast majority of peoples, including bible believing Christians. Many of whom also believe in the theory of evolution which specifically denies the claims of the fourth commandment as well. The world certainly has come up with many reasons not to acknowledge or observe God's Sabbath. This is no way shape or form though, detracts from God's authority concerning it, or peoples responsibility to keep it. Just like the rest of God's commandments. It most certainly is a time to be reminding people of this commandment, and thereby also who created this world, and sustains their very existence. Especially as the day approaches when we will all meet God face to face.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exod 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Deut 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Lev 19:3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Lev 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Lev 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my Sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14 But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out. 15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands; 16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. 17 Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness. 18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezek 22: 8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.

Ezek 22: 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezek 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

Ezek 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

Neh 9:13-14 13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: 14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Nevertheless, all are free to keep God's Sabbath or not, by faith in His word or not. Though the same cannot be said for the man made traditional sabbath or rest day of Sunday, which has, is now, and is continuing to forced upon humanity through human legislation in more and more places. So be it, as God's prophetic word has declared.

Quote from: Rella on Thu May 11, 2023 - 12:22:16
Hi Amo,

I am not trying to disparage you and your church's preference of worshipping on a Saturday.

But for once in my life I actually am finding myself in agreement in part with your posted article from the Catholic church.
My agreement is that for a very long time I have felt for what you highlighted in Red in the 4 bullet points...was long needed on this earth.

We all know that God rested on the Seventh Day ... from his creation work.

I am not going to get into if that was a 24 hour period following 144 hours of creation or if it was a longer period based on creation having taken longer.

But read what others... not just myself have commented on this about. ( All bolding or other emphasis in quotes is mine)

https://corechristianity.com/resource-library/articles/faq-why-did-the-sabbath-change-to-sunday/
It certainly seems that there may have been discussions and chastisements in that day for even PAUL commented in in Colossians 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—


It's important to note that the Sabbath was not simply moved; Christians altered the observance as well as the day. Hallmarks of the early Christian "Lord's day" celebration, according to Justin Martyr (ca. 100-ca. 165), included readings from Scripture (particularly the Gospels), a sermon, communal prayer, and Communion—very different from Jewish Sabbath observance. By Jewish standards, Christians don't keep the Sabbath at all.

Jesus rose again on the first day of the week—on Sunday, the Lord's day—and as a commemoration of that, Christians have gathered together on that day since the days of the apostles.

And not the least of importance of the change can be read here:

https://christianquestions.com/bible-questions/why-was-the-sabbath-changed-to-sunday/

People can of course make up what ever reasons they wish, not to keep God's Sabbath, and to keep an extra biblical day of rest or sabbath. I suppose it is only right also, that they enforce such sabbaths or days of rest by humans legislation and laws, since such is not established by God's law or word anywhere. Which in the end will be exactly the point. Choose you this day whom you will serve. The beast, or God. Humanity, or God. Yourself, or God. Easy peasy. Then the end.

I have written on these boards extensively concerning the establishment of Sunday "sacredness". The information is here and in many places out there. People will simply choose which version and day they prefer. So be it. I have no desire to force the observance of God's sabbath upon anyone, just to warn them of the importance of the choice to be made regarding it. Can the same be said for Sunday keepers who have, do, and obviously intend to keep forcing their observance upon others? Why do you suppose they feel this is necessary? Do you think they believe God wants them to force people to worship Him? As the title of this board asks and or suggests, who are the real legalists in this scenario? Which is in fact being increasingly played out upon an ever growing field, regardless of what one chooses to believe or not. 

I don't keep the Sabbath or Sunday.  I am not a OT Jew or under the Mosaic law. 

Jesus is my sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)

Quote from: Amo on Thu May 11, 2023 - 18:26:03
People can of course make up what ever reasons they wish, not to keep God's Sabbath, and to keep an extra biblical day of rest or sabbath. I suppose it is only right also, that they enforce such sabbaths or days of rest by humans legislation and laws, since such is not established by God's law or word anywhere. Which in the end will be exactly the point. Choose you this day whom you will serve. The beast, or God. Humanity, or God. Yourself, or God. Easy peasy. Then the end.

I have written on these boards extensively concerning the establishment of Sunday "sacredness". The information is here and in many places out there. People will simply choose which version and day they prefer. So be it. I have no desire to force the observance of God's sabbath upon anyone, just to warn them of the importance of the choice to be made regarding it. Can the same be said for Sunday keepers who have, do, and obviously intend to keep forcing their observance upon others? Why do you suppose they feel this is necessary? Do you think they believe God wants them to force people to worship Him? As the title of this board asks and or suggests, who are the real legalists in this scenario? Which is in fact being increasingly played out upon an ever growing field, regardless of what one chooses to believe or not.

Early Christians...  Hallmarks of the early Christian "Lord's day" celebration, according to Justin Martyr (ca. 100-ca. 165), included readings from Scripture (particularly the Gospels), a sermon, communal prayer, and Communion

You see this in various places of the Scriptures where it talks about believers gathering together on the first day of the week. For example, in Acts 20 we read that they were gathered together on the first day of the week. Paul talked with them intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. In other words, what you have here is preaching—Paul is giving a sermon (until midnight!)—and also the breaking of bread, probably a reference to the Lord's Supper. You see this earlier in Acts 2:42. You also see gathering on the first day of the week referenced in 1 Corinthians 16.

From the very beginning of the church, we see the apostles of our Lord Jesus himself gathering together on Sunday.

So if the followers of Christ chose first day of the week.... why would they do that?

Did they not spend their time following Jesus to learn of "a new" way? Why would they go back to worshipping on Friday 6PM to Saturday 6PM which primarily was the worship of God the Father... NOT God the Son after what they were taught by the Son to bring people into salvation?

Does Jesus Himself not deserve to be worshipped for what He did for us? Or do we just continue with a day of rest because the Father rested on a certain day?

In Acts 2:46, they were breaking bread and meeting together DAILY. They were eating meals together not having a communion daily. Also the passage in Acts 20 is likely a post Sabbath MEAL after sundown on Saturday or the first day of the week in their reckoning, not necessarily a communion. If it was a communion, it was on our Saturday night, which is fine. Our church had a Saturday night communion once at a special weekend event. We also had a special meal earlier that evening where we gathered together and "broke bread" together as a typical fellowship.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu May 11, 2023 - 19:18:52
I don't keep the Sabbath or Sunday.  I am not a OT Jew or under the Mosaic law. 

Jesus is my sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)

Like I said, we all have the right to choose what we believe and why. Scripture plainly states that the Ten Commandments and the seventh day Sabbath, are God's. I choose to believe this. You choose to believe that they are part of Mosaic law. I assume we both believe that neither the first, seventh, or any other day should be forced upon all as a day of rest or worship.

Quote from: Rella on Thu May 11, 2023 - 20:09:46
Early Christians...  Hallmarks of the early Christian "Lord's day" celebration, according to Justin Martyr (ca. 100-ca. 165), included readings from Scripture (particularly the Gospels), a sermon, communal prayer, and Communion

You see this in various places of the Scriptures where it talks about believers gathering together on the first day of the week. For example, in Acts 20 we read that they were gathered together on the first day of the week. Paul talked with them intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. In other words, what you have here is preaching—Paul is giving a sermon (until midnight!)—and also the breaking of bread, probably a reference to the Lord's Supper. You see this earlier in Acts 2:42. You also see gathering on the first day of the week referenced in 1 Corinthians 16.

From the very beginning of the church, we see the apostles of our Lord Jesus himself gathering together on Sunday.

So if the followers of Christ chose first day of the week.... why would they do that?

Did they not spend their time following Jesus to learn of "a new" way? Why would they go back to worshipping on Friday 6PM to Saturday 6PM which primarily was the worship of God the Father... NOT God the Son after what they were taught by the Son to bring people into salvation?

Does Jesus Himself not deserve to be worshipped for what He did for us? Or do we just continue with a day of rest because the Father rested on a certain day?

The Son came to reveal the Father, not Himself, for they are one. The Son also declared that He did not come to change or abolish the law, but rather to expound upon and establish it. Nor is seventh day Sabbath worship of the Father only, it is of the Son as well, as they are one. Even more so in that all things were created for the Son, and by the Son, and through the Son. How say you the seventh day Sabbath commemorating this event is only about the Father. They are one.


Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Again, we may all choose to believe as we wish. Choosing to believe one way or another is one thing, while choosing to ignore scriptural testimony or historical facts regarding what we have chosen to believe, is another thing altogether. Though all have the freedom given to them by God, to do either. Again, the truth about the origins of Sunday sacredness and especially its establishment by human legislation, is not hidden from any who truly seek it. It is extra biblical, and directly tied to pagan influences, to this very day. These facts can be ignored by all who wish to do so, but they cannot be changed, having already been established in the pages of history.

https://archive.org/details/sundayworldsrest00inte/page/n9/mode/2up?ref=ol&view=theater

Interesting, historical, and pertinent book regarding this board. I think the title of the book is appropriate, and pretty much says it all.

The Sabbath was created to be a perpetual state that our 1st Parents and their generations were intended to stay in.

The Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah recalls that Adam & Eve were created on the 6th day and sinned prior to entering the Sabbath (which is properly understood to be God's rest). The concept that Adam & Eve busted sod and cultivated the soil 6 days a week then ceased every subsequent 7th day is alien to Scripture and Judaism. Its a shibboleth perpetuated by anti-Trinitarians.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/rosh-hashanah-theology-and-themes/

It's true that in the New Testament we see references to the Apostles participating in Judaism (such as going to the Temple, visiting the Synagogue, etc.) but this is to be expected. the early Church had ZERO PROBLEMS with Jew's continuing to participate in and with the Jewish community they came out of, HOWEVER, this WASN'T Christian assembly.

Paul was explicit in Hebrews 10 that Christians were to "ASSEMBLE THEMSELVES TOGETHER" and that the failure to do so constituted sin. The Day Christians assembled themselves together on was the 1st day of the week. Its quite simple - ask a Seventh-day Adventist if at Church they pass the collection plate - they will of course say YES. Next ask them on what day the collection plate is passed and they will tell you that its on the same day they go to Church on, which is Saturday.

Scripture is explicit that the day the collection plate was passed in the early Church was the 1st day of the week, the day Christians "assembled themselves" (note: "themselves"), SUNDAY! There is no amount of mental gymnastics that will dispute this fact and that, combined with both secular Roman history as well as Jewish history and the history of the early Church should leave zero doubt in the mind that the 1st day of the week was the day the early Church assembled as a Christian community.

Yet, many of the anti-Trinitarian groups who trace their origins back to the failed Millerite movement insist that Adam and Eve worshipped on the Sabbath, and that the Apostles didn't hold Christian assembly after Jesus' Resurrection on Sunday. The whole Sabbath conspiracy is akin to those Bigfoot programs one sees on t.v.

Quote from: Cathlodox on Sat May 13, 2023 - 20:06:11
The Sabbath was created to be a perpetual state that our 1st Parents and their generations were intended to stay in.

The Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah recalls that Adam & Eve were created on the 6th day and sinned prior to entering the Sabbath (which is properly understood to be God's rest). The concept that Adam & Eve busted sod and cultivated the soil 6 days a week then ceased every subsequent 7th day is alien to Scripture and Judaism. Its a shibboleth perpetuated by anti-Trinitarians.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/rosh-hashanah-theology-and-themes/

It's true that in the New Testament we see references to the Apostles participating in Judaism (such as going to the Temple, visiting the Synagogue, etc.) but this is to be expected. the early Church had ZERO PROBLEMS with Jew's continuing to participate in and with the Jewish community they came out of, HOWEVER, this WASN'T Christian assembly.

Paul was explicit in Hebrews 10 that Christians were to "ASSEMBLE THEMSELVES TOGETHER" and that the failure to do so constituted sin. The Day Christians assembled themselves together on was the 1st day of the week. Its quite simple - ask a Seventh-day Adventist if at Church they pass the collection plate - they will of course say YES. Next ask them on what day the collection plate is passed and they will tell you that its on the same day they go to Church on, which is Saturday.

Scripture is explicit that the day the collection plate was passed in the early Church was the 1st day of the week, the day Christians "assembled themselves" (note: "themselves"), SUNDAY! There is no amount of mental gymnastics that will dispute this fact and that, combined with both secular Roman history as well as Jewish history and the history of the early Church should leave zero doubt in the mind that the 1st day of the week was the day the early Church assembled as a Christian community.

Yet, many of the anti-Trinitarian groups who trace their origins back to the failed Millerite movement insist that Adam and Eve worshipped on the Sabbath, and that the Apostles didn't hold Christian assembly after Jesus' Resurrection on Sunday. The whole Sabbath conspiracy is akin to those Bigfoot programs one sees on t.v.

A lot of fairy tale wishful thinking stated as fact in the above. All of which has been refuted and proved wrong many times over on these boards. Nevertheless, as time permits, I will address each issue and point out the misinformation yet again. We'll begin with the first piece of mis-information.

QuoteThe Sabbath was created to be a perpetual state that our 1st Parents and their generations were intended to stay in.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3  And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Your opening statement is of course extra biblical. Nothing concerning it in the creation account before or after the specific seventh day was blessed and sanctified by God. Which in fact is the basis for the seven day weekly cycle established and maintained throughout scripture and most of the known world throughout history. While the seventh day Sabbath most certainly is a sign of perpetually entering into God's rest, this sign is to be observed in a special way on the seventh day, as separated from the other days of the week. As established and commanded by God many times over in scripture. God continually addressed the observance of His Sabbath day by His people throughout scripture. During the Old Covenant He addressed the fact that they continually ignored His seventh day Sabbath, and even punished them for doing so. During the New Covenant our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ often addressed proper seventh day Sabbath observance, as the Jews of that day had made the sabbath a burden rather than a blessing. All these instructions were concerning the observance of the seventh day exactly, not the perpetual rest it does also represent. It is God's commanded weekly memorial of His creation and the perpetual rest it represents. Who are you or your institution to declare this obligation no longer exists among God's people, and then teach and preach that your chosen day should be forced upon all through human legislation and laws. As you have done all throughout history as well. Have you not set yourself up in the temple (church) of Christ, as though you yourselves are God? Removing one of His commands, which even our Lord Jesus Christ said He did not come to change, and replacing it with one of your own. Our Lord said His law would not change before heaven and earth pass, which they have not. Do you say otherwise?

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Your Sunday is a sign also is it not? A sign of the new creation in Christ Jesus. That being the case, shouldn't we say as some do, that this experience is meant to be perpetual? Of course it is, and therefore Sunday observance is moot, because it is supposed to represent a perpetual condition. Not just a day. So who are you, to say it is different for the day you have chosen, but not for the day God has chosen. No one should actually keep Sundays sacred, that would be legalism, right? The day is a sign, it is not to be observed literally, right?

Quote from: Amo on Fri May 12, 2023 - 09:09:43
Scripture plainly states that the Ten Commandments and the seventh day Sabbath, are God's. I choose to believe this.

Scripture plainly states that the seventh day Sabbath, are God's.

Very true. NO ONE ever says they are not.

"I assume we both believe that neither the first, seventh, or any other day should be forced upon all as a day of rest or worship."

Again very true. But our reasonings for this differ... a lot. Mine is routed in Paul.... The last paragraph of this.

We are told in Exodus 20 about the Sabbath..... to remember to keep it holy.

We are told in Deuteronomy 5 about the Sabbath ... to keep it holy and no work.
With the comment  vs 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Th question is... so was this day for all or those to whom it was given?

Toward the end of this is an article about the 10 commandments in the New Testament

But I have to wonder what Ellen White said about the Shmita.  I have looked and looked and assume it was not of any importance to her as I find no writings of hers.

This was also a command from God and is first mentioned in Exodus. Exodus 23: 10-11. A 7 year Sabbath that was also God's.

More specific.... from Jimmy's book...

10 And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof:

11 But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.

If she ( and you feel) that the observance of the 4th commandment that God  gave to Moses to carry to the people.... is still of importanct and meant for everyone today... then 3 chapters later... after the giving of the 10 to Moses... God also commanded
This Sabbath 7th year rest for the land. (More specific you can look it up), do you feel and more importantly did she feel this should also be observed?

I have tried to find what Ellen White said about this but have not, so can only conclude she felt it not important?

Perhaps Mrs White felt that because the laws were interpreted to pertain exclusively to the Land of Israel, amd they were not a major Jewish focus for the almost 2,000 years in which few Jews lived in Israel. Perhaps as the  Jews did not begin returning to Israel in large numbers, until  the late 19th and early 20th century, Shmita created some significant hurdles and questions for those early communities in Israel, trying on the one hand, to keep true to the ancient law of the land, and, on the other hand, to meet the conditions necessary for comforts they had grown accustomed to in modern European agricultural and economic systems

Got questions describes things as

Quote But the Law also spoke of a sabbatical year. Leviticus 25:1–7 provides instructions for the sabbatical year to be observed after the Israelites moved into the Promised Land. (my note: the later years of the Jews return was not operational in Lev 25: 1-7)

Leviticus 25:3–5 explains what to do—or, rather, what not to do—on the sabbatical year: "For six years sow your fields, and for six years prune your vineyards and gather their crops. But in the seventh year the land is to have a year of sabbath rest, a sabbath to the Lord. Do not sow your fields or prune your vineyards. Do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the grapes of your untended vines. The land is to have a year of rest." Every seventh year, then, was to be a time of no planting or pruning of crops. The Sabbath day was a rest every week, and this rest was applied to farmland once every seven years (the sabbatical year is also mentioned in Exodus 23:10–11).

So I wonder based on the relationship of commands by God to Israel, inclusive of the 10 commandments where does the Shmita fall into things? As it is also pertaining to rest of us?

Last... lets look at  the 10 commandments in the New Testament, and see what Jesus told us.

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QuoteThe 10 Commandments in the New Testament

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The 10 Commandments in the New Testament
A lot of people, including many Christians, are confused about whether Christians should live by the 10 Commandments. There should be no confusion.

When God made a covenant with Israel in Exodus 20, the only people involved were Israelites and those who chose to live with them. This covenant, including the 10 Commandments, never applied to anyone else... ever. Christians were never under the Law.

When I explain this, I get complaints from people who don't know what the Bible says about the Law. If we're not under the Law, they ask, are we then free to steal and kill and worship other gods? They're not asking it seriously, as if they're wondering about the answer. They're complaining that by pointing out that Christians are not under the Law, I'm telling people that God doesn't care about their behavior.

Christians aren't under the Mosaic Law, but that doesn't mean we have no law at all.  Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commands." Just before going to Heaven, Jesus said to make disciples, and to "teach them to obey everything I have commanded you." That seems pretty clear. We have commandments, but they come from Jesus, and not from the Law.

Nine of the 10 Commandments are repeated in the New Testament. That means that Christians are not supposed to steal, kill, or worship other gods. It seems silly to have to say it, but people are confused... so it needs to be said. Below are a few of the many places where the 10 Commandments are repeated in the New Testament. We'll address the missing commandment at the end of this article.

1   You shall have no other gods before me.                         Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your
                                                                                              soul and with all your mind.
                                                                                              Matthew 22:37

2   Do not make for yourselves objects of worship.                 Dear children, keep yourself from idols.
                                                                                              1 John 5:21

3   You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.          Do not swear – not by heaven or by earth or by anything
                                                                                               else.
                                                                                               James 5:12

4   Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.                   Not Commanded

5   Honor your father and your mother.                                  Honor your father and mother.
                                                                                               Matthew 19:16-21

6   You shall not murder.                                                          You shall not murder.
                                                                                               Matthew 19:16-21

7   You shall not commit adultery.                                          You shall not commit adultery.
                                                                                                Matthew 19:16-21

8   You shall not steal.                                                          You shall not steal.
                                                                                                Matthew 19:16-21

9   You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.   You shall not give false testimony
                                                                                                Matthew 19:16-21

10   You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.   Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly
                                                                                                nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and
                                                                                                greed, which is idolatry.
                                                                                                Colossians 3:5

Because these commands are in the New Testament, it's clear that Christians are to obey them... not because they're part of the old covenant that God made with Moses, but because they're part of the new covenant that Jesus made with the whole world.

The Missing Commandment

There is no command in the New Testament to observe any sabbath days. All of the other commandments are repeated, but not that one. Why? Because, unlike the others, there is no longer any need for a sabbath. The sabbath was instituted as a remembrance of God's work in Genesis, and pointed to God's work of dying on the cross for the sins of the world. The sabbath was a shadow of a coming reality, and that reality has come. Here's how the apostle Paul explained it:

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. Galatians 3:23-25

Read more about why Christians don't observe the original sabbath.