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I think he will, because the Democrat power brokers regard Joe as a liability AND I assume they believe Kamala has a better chance to win in November as the "first black woman incumbant President" vs the first black woman VP under a questionably successful 81 year old failure.

Quote from: Jaime on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 16:26:47I think he will, because the Democrat power brokers regard Joe as a liability AND I assume they believe Kamala has a better chance to win in November as the "first black woman incumbant President" vs the first black woman VP under a questionably successful 81 year old failure.

Argument from the other side:

No. 

I think many hope she loses but keeps Senate and House races competitive.

Then in 2028 she would not have to be considered as a candidate

I think the Dems will take advantage of getting rid of Biden via the 25th amendment. The spectre of the next 6 months with Joe will only have potential for worsening disaster as the President who isn't really there. No need for more deception further risking a Trump landslide as Joe slides inevitably further leaving them more and more culpable for endangering the country in the eyes of the Democrat electorate risking an irretrievable political faux pas.

Even as an admitted anti-Democrat, I see no upside continuing Joe's competency masquerade.

Quote from: Jaime on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 17:23:50I think the Dems will take advantage of getting rid of Biden via the 25th amendment. The spectre of the next 6 months with Joe will only have potential for worsening disaster as the President who isn't really there. No need for more deception further risking a Trump landslide as Joe slides inevitably further leaving them more and more culpable for endangering the country in the eyes of the Democrat electorate risking an irretrievable political faux pas.

Even as an admitted anti-Democrat, I see no upside continuing Joe's competency masquerade.

Well, he is on the "happy juice" cause he is talking alright.

Would there be a benefit to oust him?

Kammy has a lock I think

The benefit to outs him:

1. The Dems would be free of Joe's disasterous spells of epic and very perceptible incompetence. Leaving the public wondering who the heck is running the country. B

2. Kamala would get a few  months of Presidential experience on her resume' for her to market in the election campaign, so she could campaign as an incumbent and not just a dingbat that took Biden's border blame.

For Trump, I don't think any Democrat scheme will solve their problem of Trump winning except unfortunately he is "taken out", as was attemptednon Oct 13th. Or an evev massive steal than the 2020 election.

Quote from: Jaime on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 19:58:09The benefit to outs him:

1. The Dems would be free of his disasterous spells of incompetence.

2. Kamala would get a few  months ofPresidential experience behind her to market in the election campaign, so she could campaign as an incumbent.

They want to be free of Kamala as well.  If she fails this time without being President, they can reset in 2028.  I believe a lot of higher level Democrats want that.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 20:00:47They want to be free of Kamala as well.  If she fails this time without being President, they can reset in 2028.  I believe a lot of higher level Democrats want that.

The powers that be just want someone that's controllable.  Kamala is controllable.

Trump is a loose cannon.  Kennedy actively threatens their existence.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 20:00:47They want to be free of Kamala as well.  If she fails this time without being President, they can reset in 2028.  I believe a lot of higher level Democrats want that.

I think the Left considers a Trump victory an existential threat to THEMSELVES.. It's all or nothing for them. In other words, they 
Don't think they have a future if Trump gets in. They are probanly right if they lose the house and senate in the process. At least for the foreseeable future,

Obama hasn't endorsed her. It was leaked from team Obama today that he doesn't plan on endorsing her.
Obama rules the roost. When libs start realizing he's not endorsing her - wonder what will happen?

Quote from: mommydi on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 21:13:18Obama hasn't endorsed her. It was leaked from team Obama today that he doesn't plan on endorsing her.
Obama rules the roost. When libs start realizing he's not endorsing her - wonder what will happen?

Soros endorsed her.  She's 100% the candidate

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 21:22:41Soros endorsed her.  She's 100% the candidate

Why do you think Obama hasn't endorsed her?

Quote from: mommydi on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 21:24:08Why do you think Obama hasn't endorsed her?

He doesn't want to be associated with a known idiot... perhaps some future political aspirations?  Big Mike 2028?

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Jul 24, 2024 - 21:22:41Soros endorsed her.  She's 100% the candidate

Might explain the explosion of contribution money. ALBEIT from little people. They claim they got more campaign contributions the first 20 hours of her then anyone ever.

Would he drop out before.

Possibly so they could say she has now some experience and she can do the job.