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Started by Rella, Wed Sep 11, 2024 - 07:40:59

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Rella


Jaime

I didn't subject myself to the spectacle.

4WD

Quote from: Rella on Wed Sep 11, 2024 - 07:40:59Opinions?
I think Trump blew it big time.  The common complaint is that he had to debate all three, Harris and the two ABC moderators.  But he knew that going in and he was not prepared.  I think he believed the hype that Harris was such a poor debater that he couldn't lose.  He lost.  I just hope that the next time, if there is a next time, he will prepare. 

Rella

Quote from: 4WD on Wed Sep 11, 2024 - 15:00:03I think Trump blew it big time.  The common complaint is that he had to debate all three, Harris and the two ABC moderators.  But he knew that going in and he was not prepared.  I think he believed the hype that Harris was such a poor debater that he couldn't lose.  He lost.  I just hope that the next time, if there is a next time, he will prepare. 

I am fairly certain she had the questions in advance... like Hillary did.

She was uncharacteristically cocky answering.

Trump was offered Fox in Oct with I think Bret Baer and Martha MacCallum.

He said no... not with those two.

Of course Martha is an obvious anti Trumper so we shall see.

Cally

#4
Trump was kind of cringey and the bombastic bragging is coming off as a bit much. He's the best ever, and the other guys are the worst ever.

We all get why politicians have to explain why they're better than the opposition, but it goes to eye-rolling extremes with Trump, which is tragic because the contrast of his successes to the Biden administration should be so obvious that they're FELT by people. A lot of the bragging has an adverse effect.

I think a lot of the substance was basically there, but the delivery was sloppy.

Harris avoided questions like why only recently her administration made certain moves controlling the border that are really worth pressing. His campaigners should be smart enough to play off of that. She did a lot of things (questions dodged like that) that voters SHOULD care about but don't, tragically.

But to be real, the abortion issue is the real slam dunk. Trump's claim that "everyone" wanted Roe v Wade reversed is an absurd falsehood. Abortion is the only real reason that there's any real danger at ALL of Democrats winning, as it's their "strongest" issue polled among voters. And, there's nothing Trump can really do about it and his attempts are PATHETIC, because all you can do is compete with Democrats in futility to worship women the hardest as that's what the average modern woman is looking for: pedestalize, sympathize to the point that they can do no wrong or be accountable to anyone else for anything. The only solution to that is a LONG-term cultural hot confrontation with that cultural and social dynamic that we have; otherwise, the obvious way to fire back at pro-choicers is with the fact that all sides universally believe in putting a man on the hook for child support for doing the deed, and therefore, so should a woman by on the hook with her body for 9 months in the same vein. Instead, Republicans are hopeless losers on this issue for the foreseeable future.

Rella

Quote from: Cally on Wed Sep 11, 2024 - 22:09:34Trump was kind of cringey and the bombastic bragging is coming off as a bit much. He's the best ever, and the other guys are the worst ever.

We all get why politicians have to explain why they're better than the opposition, but it goes to eye-rolling extremes with Trump, which is tragic because the contrast of his successes to the Biden administration should be so obvious that they're FELT by people. A lot of the bragging has an adverse effect.

I think a lot of the substance was basically there, but the delivery was sloppy.

Harris avoided questions like why only recently her administration made certain moves controlling the border that are really worth pressing. His campaigners should be smart enough to play off of that. She did a lot of things (questions dodged like that) that voters SHOULD care about but don't, tragically.

But to be real, the abortion issue is the real slam dunk. Trump's claim that "everyone" wanted Roe v Wade reversed is an absurd falsehood. Abortion is the only real reason that there's any real danger at ALL of Democrats winning, as it's their "strongest" issue polled among voters. And, there's nothing Trump can really do about it and his attempts are PATHETIC, because all you can do is compete with Democrats in futility to worship women the hardest as that's what the average modern woman is looking for: pedestalize, sympathize to the point that they can do no wrong or be accountable to anyone else for anything. The only solution to that is a LONG-term cultural hot confrontation with that cultural and social dynamic that we have; otherwise, the obvious way to fire back at pro-choicers is with the fact that all sides universally believe in putting a man on the hook for child support for doing the deed, and therefore, so should a woman by on the hook with her body for 9 months in the same vein. Instead,  for the foreseeable future.

Really have no clue on which side of the issue you are on.

Of cour5se Republicans are hopeless losers on this issue.

He will never keep it zipped and so something has to be provided for those UH OH moments.

But no matter how they try to spin it.... it IS against GOD... but they of little or no faith don't care.

All I hear is abortion ahould be for 8 or 9 months because of rape or incest. 

In the case of rape... there should be no rape kit the cops have that does not have the morning after pill.

They are providing those as many colleges.

Some areas have them over the counter... so no excuse.

It is a pity that some women use a baby bump to try and force
a more involved relationship. Rarely works so they look for the easy way out.

God is going to hold all involved accountable.... we are told......
No, off my  ::preachit::

Cally

Quote from: Rella on Thu Sep 12, 2024 - 06:29:49He will never keep it zipped and so something has to be provided for those UH OH moments.



This is such aggressive man-hating, female-supremacist driven denial of the fact that abortion is clearly driven by a cultural worship of women.

Pro-abortion laws ONLY give authority to the woman to actually have an abortion. No one is advocating for a man to have ANY say. Yes, a man could pressure a woman to get an abortion, but the ultimate legal (and cultural) pressure is on "my body, my choice" for the woman. The woman is also the only one with the right to give up the child for adoption.

*Men have NO right to determine whether or not the child is aborted under any proposed laws

*FAR fewer men than women support a woman's right to an abortion anyway.

Face it: we're in this situation because the culture won't stop worshiping women and getting drunk on all the "poor poor woman, bad bad man" narratives. That's exactly where we are: how dare you tell a woman what to do with her own body. Sure, let the man be on the hook for doing the deed, but give a woman multiple avenues of escape from all accountability.

But the culture, for the most part, won't face it, just like you won't, and sickeningly look for a way to place all the blame on a man somehow. And that's why we have this insane death toll because of abortions: women can't be told about THEIR accountability, and we'll only do that with men, right? And, consequently, this is also why we're ending up with all of the OTHER liberal agendas, because pro-choice is their strongest issue: I am woman, hear me roar, right?

QuoteReally have no clue on which side of the issue you are on.

I don't get why it wasn't obvious. I'm a Trump supporter and pretty much always vote Republican, in hopes that we can survive despite problems on both sides.

Cally

One more thing on this insanity of trying to blame men wanting sex for pro-choice victories: how many men do you see campaigning on eliminating a man's obligation to pay child support? The culture hates deadbeat dads almost in unison: poor poor woman, bad bad man. Destroy the deadbeat dads! If the country were dominated by men who wanted to avoid responsibility for a pregnancy and so advocate for abortion, the infinitely more sensible thing to do anyway would be to campaign to get themselves off the hook for child support anyway, and that's what we would see: they could run away from a pregnancy and not pay anything anyway.

Democrats will keep having victories and unborn babies will keep dying because "Christians" who actually worship women in the place of God are letting it happen.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

I only watched about 10 minutes of it before I tapped out.

Trump was his typical self, braggadocious and full of anecdotal stories of redoubtable authenticity.  Kamala is somehow worse - grating, snide, and full of statements that are technically true, but only because someone had the foresight to move the goalposts beforehand.  Probably the moderators.

I think... the whole political strategy in America is to put up the WORST candidates possible, and then tell BOTH SIDES, "you've gotta vote against the other guy - look how terrible they are!"

Winner: none
Loser:  America

yogi bear

Im think we should look at it this way.  We take the personalities out because both are poor in that area and only look at the policies. Do we want to make America great again or do we want to go communist? That is what the election is about this time it is a spiritual battle good against evil and we should chose wisely as to which side we are on. The personal personality of each does not matter yes they both have cringe worthy personalities but we can deal with that so we must chose who has the best policy and we know where both stand on that issue. It is not what person but what policy we are voting on.

Rella

Quote from: yogi bear on Fri Sep 13, 2024 - 15:46:12Im think we should look at it this way.  We take the personalities out because both are poor in that area and only look at the policies. Do we want to make America great again or do we want to go communist? That is what the election is about this time it is a spiritual battle good against evil and we should chose wisely as to which side we are on. The personal personality of each does not matter yes they both have cringe worthy personalities but we can deal with that so we must chose who has the best policy and we know where both stand on that issue. It is not what person but what policy we are voting on.

Absolutely.

However. It is the "anyone" but Trump ones who simply do not know or care.

And that shoots a quivers of ice cold arrows right through me, knowing they will
not listen

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