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I read an article that said 32 million Christians are not going to vote this election. I don't understand that. If EVER a conscientious person were to vote, it would be NOW, it seems to me.

Is there an inconsequential action or inaction possible on election day? I say NO, not in the least.  Not voting is not just a protest, it is accomplishing the exact opposite of that. It is in effect an exact declaration of the opposite intent, it is helping one side over the other. Choose you action or inaction wisely.

Unfortunately they do not read this forum or any other.

Most dont even watch television.

I had an attorney , yesterday, working on my new will, actually ask me if Tunnels 2 Towers is a charity?

If there ever were a time to get those people to listen it is now... but likely too late.

The notion that not voting protests something is what I don't get. I understand votes of conscience, but they occur in the primaries. This and all general elections are simply binary pragmatic choices. Votes Definitely DO matter! All actions or inactions on election day have consequences. Do something that counts - ON PURPOSE. Staying at home has a definite consequence, usually mot what was intended.

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Oct 26, 2024 - 09:09:53The notion that not voting protests something is what I don't get. I understand votes of conscience, but they occur in the primaries. This and all general elections are simply binary pragmatic choices. Votes Definitely DO matter! All actions or inactions on election day have consequences. Do something that counts - ON PURPOSE. Staying at home has a definite consequence, usually mot what was intended.

Agreed.

They likely are protesting they want neither to win.

But one willfor sure... and it should be on their conscience.

Amen! It amazes me the thoughts in people's heads about voting.

As the Pope suggested, many believe they are having to choose between greater and lesser evils. Feeling they can support neither, they opt out. I have had a similar experience when it comes to voting. First I believed it simply was not my place to vote for someone I felt would represent and or impose that which I am in agreement with, upon everyone else. The I decided I had to do something, as I witnessed the nation crumbling. So I began attempting to decipher the issues and real stance of the candidates. After which I shortly realized what a head game it all really was, and just how difficult it would be to arrive at the truth of the matter. Not to mention how few candidates actually followed through with what they promised once in office. I realized I didn't have enough time to actually become a truly informed voter, such becoming almost career oriented, and I gave up again.

Now I am leaning toward just voting for the opposite party in power every time, to delay the extreme outcome of either party being in power for to long. Though even this is deficient, in that I understand that both parties really represent a uni-party, being manipulated themselves by a large constituency of citizens of at least one foreign nation from within both parties.

Nevertheless, people should vote Trump this time around, simply to stem the tide of extreme lefty progressivism presently ruining our nation.

I don't understand the notion of being offended by the lesser of two evils. Jesus, the only perfect human will never be on any ticket. Therefore anyone we choose will be flawed, as was King David, a man after God's own heart who was a murderer and an adulterer. We can't help BUT employ the Lesser of Two Evils axiom. WHICH LESSER EVIL WILL YOU BE VOTING FOR? No matter what you do or don't do on election day, you will be affecting one of the two candidates, Trump or Harris. You moght as well make an overt choice.

I thought about not voting.  But thought better of it. 

I voted Randall Terry for President.

Quote from: Jaime on Sun Oct 27, 2024 - 15:48:01I don't understand the notion of being offended by the lesser of two evils. Jesus, the only perfect human will never be on any ticket. Therefore anyone we choose will be flawed, as was King David, a man after God's own heart who was a murderer and an adulterer. We can't help BUT employ the Lesser of Two Evils axiom. WHICH LESSER EVIL WILL YOU BE VOTING FOR? No matter what you do or don't do on election day, you will be affecting one of the two candidates, Trump or Harris. You moght as well make an overt choice.

Never been concerned with this or that personal fault of candidates. As you say, we are all faulty. Principles and intent to truly maintain those of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution are far more important issues, than personal faults or not. Nevertheless, by there fruits ye shall know them, will always be applicable.

It seems the supposed left (Democrats), are more ready and eager to sacrifice our Constitutional principles and declared rights before God, than the supposed right (Republicans) are. Still, it remains to be seen, what Republicans will do if or when they gain and maintain power for a good while. Their track record in the past seems to be one of constant compromise, even when they have the power to stop lefty progressivism.

Nevertheless, I say again, the tide needs to be turned before it is too late. If Trump does not win, it just might be too late. If he does win, we must hope and prey he doesn't just steer the nation to the radical right. Extremism is the real problem, not left or right. Extremism that is willing to trash the principles of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Quote from: Amo on Mon Oct 28, 2024 - 07:32:47Never been concerned with this or that personal fault of candidates. As you say, we are all faulty. Principles and intent to truly maintain those of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution are far more important issues, than personal faults or not. Nevertheless, by there fruits ye shall know them, will always be applicable.

It seems the supposed left (Democrats), are more ready and eager to sacrifice our Constitutional principles and declared rights before God, than the supposed right (Republicans) are. Still, it remains to be seen, what Republicans will do if or when they gain and maintain power for a good while. Their track record in the past seems to be one of constant compromise, even when they have the power to stop lefty progressivism.

Nevertheless, I say again, the tide needs to be turned before it is too late. If Trump does not win, it just might be too late. If he does win, we must hope and prey he doesn't just steer the nation to the radical right. Extremism is the real problem, not left or right. Extremism that is willing to trash the principles of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

 

He did not do it in the first 4 years. And he has only 4 left. Is doubtful

Quote from: Rella on Mon Oct 28, 2024 - 08:28:29

He did not do it in the first 4 years. And he has only 4 left. Is doubtful

It will take more than 4 years to straighten out where the left and right have taken us over many decades now. 

Quote from: Amo on Mon Oct 28, 2024 - 09:29:26It will take more than 4 years to straighten out where the left and right have taken us over many decades now. 

Which means in 2028 the left will campaign on what was not done....

What radical right directiona are you talking about Amo? Why would you fear that in Trump's second term? Radical right as in low inflation, no wars, secure border etc? What specifically is your fear and more importantly WHY? Is the Left's propaganda too enticing?

Quote from: Amo on Mon Oct 28, 2024 - 09:29:26It will take more than 4 years to straighten out where the left and right have taken us over many decades now. 

For RINOs yes, not for Trump, the enemy of the worthless do nothing Establishment Uniparty. And that was with one hand tied behind his back just to make it fair in the hugely successful first term. Imagine him not having to waste time running again! I can't wait. The Left is scared to death of him, how could it be better? We may never have an opportunity like this again for more than a generation.

Quote from: Rella on Mon Oct 28, 2024 - 12:30:29Which means in 2028 the left will campaign on what was not done...

They could do that right now... but that would mean they also had to recognize what they didn't do.

Drain the Swamp?  Nope.  Appointed a bunch of swamp creatures to his cabinet
Come up with any kind of realistic plan for environmental improvement?  Nah
Reform the FDA so that the pharmaceutical and food industries don't control it?  Didn't happen... but stay tuned
Re-instate blue-sky grants and/or standardize peer-review to get technological progress moving forward again?  No
Balance the budget?  Huh-uh
Reign in wall-street spec investment in real estate that is driving inflation in the housing markets?  No...

I think Trump's first term was pretty mediocre.  He was good on foreign policy, but he didn't really do much domestically.  But... mediocre is several orders of magnitude better than what we got from Biden, who was the worst foreign-policy president in over a century while also actively sabotaging the economy.

Gotta get RID of Rinos in any sense of power. Trump trusted the Republicans way too  much as a rookie politician. He is schooled now. Look at his dream team. He couldn't do better.

This election shouldn't even be close. I'm not at all convinced that it is close.

Quote from: Jaime on Mon Oct 28, 2024 - 13:56:57What radical right directiona are you talking about Amo? Why would you fear that in Trump's second term? Radical right as in low inflation, no wars, secure border etc? What specifically is your fear and more importantly WHY? Is the Left's propaganda too enticing?

Nothing would make me happier, than to see Trump get the cooperation he needs toward the goals you mentioned above. For the people he selected and will select to help him accomplish these things, instead of turning on him as many did the first time around.

Nevertheless, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It remains to be seen, whether the right will now go extreme in reaction to the extremism of the left. If you think just the left or Democrats have been responsible for the loss of Constitutional liberties, freedoms, and rights we have experienced, then you haven't been paying good attention. The left are not the only one's who have used crisis to gain more government control. Or have and do continue to spend us into oblivion.

Trump was listening to creepy Fauci's advice when covid hit, and had spoken about using the military to get the vaccines out. I'm not sure exactly what he meant by that, we didn't have time to see exactly what he intended, or would have supported or not. He appointed three Catholic Justices to the supreme Court, bringing the number to 7 or 8 out of nine of our Justices being Catholic. Two of which were Jesuit schooled. He is also very supportive of the Catholic church, and has a Catholic convert for his vice. This while knowing the globalist aims and goals of the Vatican. Which ever increasingly inspires, supports, and facilitates the globalist agendas of unelected international organizations over and above the will of the peoples of nations.

He is at the very least playing with fire, and it is our country and world that is at stake. If not just another plant and or cog in the wheel, put in place to swing the pendulum to the far right at just the right time to wipe out our freedoms altogether.

Then again, maybe not. God alone will ultimately determine when the final beast of biblical prophecy will rear its ugly healed head again. Unto the end predicted. Maybe conservatives backing up Trump can and will keep their heads and avoid extreme reactions unto further losses of liberty. Time will tell. Nevertheless, if he determines to work closely with the Vatican as Joe Biden publicly stated he would and did, then further down the globalist road we shall go. May God's will be done.

If you don't think political rookie Trump learned a lot of lessons the first term, I think you are badly wrong. He trusted Republicans blindly at first. As we all know there are Republicans and then there are RINOs. RINOs and Democrats make up  the obviously evil Establishment Uniparty. Look at who Trump is aligning himself with NOW! Musk, RFK Jr, Gabbard, Ramaswamy, etc All total disrupters of the Establishment. Of course Trump relied on people like Fauci at first during covid, He would havebeen run out on a rail otherwise. He KNOWS the ropes now. He is very aware that just because someone is a Republican doesn't mean squat if they are a RINO.They makeup the enemy! We all know that. Trump was a fledgling Republican much less any kind of politician the first time around. He well knows the ropes now, and who is friend or foe. The two party mirage of the Establishment he is well aware of now. Only one of two humans are going to be President and it absolutely CANNOT be Kamala. IT HAS TO BE THE GUY HATED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT UNIPARTY. He is a threat to THEM, and that is a very good thing in my opinion based upon his first term. And Kamala is a very bad choice based on her term as VP and the sock puppet regime of O'Biden. Trump the enemy of our enemy (the Establishment Uniparty) is by far the best choice. Did he learn some valuable lessons the first term. I'm certain he did. He's no dummy, but he was a fledgling politician and wanna be Republican BEFORE HE KNEW THE EXTENT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT EVIL. I would say he understands well now what we have known for over 60 years. GOP doesn't necessarily mean friend to a conservative. Case in point Liz Cheney had called Kamala everything negative under the sun including Communist now campaigning FOR her with much glee. To me Trump and the MAGA Republicans are the unique  "third oarty choice", they can win and are visceral enemies of the Establishment Uniparty, which is the enemy of the American people in my opinion. I say this as a lifelong Republican. My eyes are now open concerning the very obvious dispicable Uniparty posing for decades as a two party system presenting the illusion of choice, to a slumbering population as we moved from one foreign conflict to the next and supported almost identical policiesn while lulling the public to sleep with partisan rhetoric. I voted proudly for the disrupter this time. We don't need nominal tao party system while both sides buddy up to each out of the public eye. I much more prefer to KNOW who the bungholes really are whether they have an R or a D after their name. The R and D are for eyewash to the masses. We need to pay attention to who comprises the Establishment Uniparty, the actual threat to America.  Ot to mention the obvious threat to Democracy in effectively an Obama 4th term. Two was way more thsn the country needed!

As I have said and agree, Trump is the only logical choice for conservative freedom loving people. I am certainly not as sure as you are though, that he and his new allies will not do as so very many before have already done. In not following up on there words when they actually have the power to do so, and or going to far in the opposite direction destroying our liberties and freedoms as well. Nevertheless, I hope your confidence ends up being well founded. We shall see, hopefully. Nevertheless again, may God's will be done.

There is NO chance of anything but disappointment from conservatives with a Kamala presidency. Easiest choice in over 40 years or longer. We at least have hope with Trump. Kamala is by far the most proven dangerous imbecile that wasn't voted on by anyone to be the nominee. First bad sign! Second bad sign her horrible record as VP under Biden.

Quote from: Amo on Tue Oct 29, 2024 - 08:38:27As I have said and agree, Trump is the only logical choice for conservative freedom loving people. I am certainly not as sure as you are though, that he and his new allies will not do as so very many before have already done. In not following up on there words when they actually have the power to do so, and or going to far in the opposite direction destroying our liberties and freedoms as well. Nevertheless, I hope your confidence ends up being well founded. We shall see, hopefully. Nevertheless again, may God's will be done.

You have to remember if he does not have both the senate and house little will be done.

The dems would never vote for anything...

So hello... executive actions and in 4 years if the dems get in... like Joe all will be cancelled.

So we must hold the house and get the senate... it is mandatory

Quote from: Jaime on Tue Oct 29, 2024 - 05:29:26If you don't think political rookie Trump learned a lot of lessons the first term, I think you are badly wrong. He trusted Republicans blindly at first. As we all know there are Republicans and then there are RINOs. RINOs and Democrats make up  the obviously evil Establishment Uniparty. Look at who Trump is aligning himself with NOW! Musk, RFK Jr, Gabbard, Ramaswamy, etc All total disrupters of the Establishment. Of course Trump relied on people like Fauci at first during covid, He would havebeen run out on a rail otherwise. He KNOWS the ropes now. He is very aware that just because someone is a Republican doesn't mean squat if they are a RINO.They makeup the enemy! We all know that. Trump was a fledgling Republican much less any kind of politician the first time around. He well knows the ropes now, and who is friend or foe. The two party mirage of the Establishment he is well aware of now. Only one of two humans are going to be President and it absolutely CANNOT be Kamala. IT HAS TO BE THE GUY HATED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT UNIPARTY. He is a threat to THEM, and that is a very good thing in my opinion based upon his first term. And Kamala is a very bad choice based on her term as VP and the sock puppet regime of O'Biden. Trump the enemy of our enemy (the Establishment Uniparty) is by far the best choice. Did he learn some valuable lessons the first term. I'm certain he did. He's no dummy, but he was a fledgling politician and wanna be Republican BEFORE HE KNEW THE EXTENT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT EVIL. I would say he understands well now what we have known for over 60 years. GOP doesn't necessarily mean friend to a conservative. Case in point Liz Cheney had called Kamala everything negative under the sun including Communist now campaigning FOR her with much glee. To me Trump and the MAGA Republicans are the unique  "third oarty choice", they can win and are visceral enemies of the Establishment Uniparty, which is the enemy of the American people in my opinion. I say this as a lifelong Republican. My eyes are now open concerning the very obvious dispicable Uniparty posing for decades as a two party system presenting the illusion of choice, to a slumbering population as we moved from one foreign conflict to the next and supported almost identical policiesn while lulling the public to sleep with partisan rhetoric. I voted proudly for the disrupter this time. We don't need nominal tao party system while both sides buddy up to each out of the public eye. I much more prefer to KNOW who the bungholes really are whether they have an R or a D after their name. The R and D are for eyewash to the masses. We need to pay attention to who comprises the Establishment Uniparty, the actual threat to America.  Ot to mention the obvious threat to Democracy in effectively an Obama 4th term. Two was way more thsn the country needed!

I think that 'Republican' and 'Democrat' are titles that obfuscate positions now.

It's globalist vs nationalist, establishment vs disestablishment, statism vs freedom.  (R) and (D) don't tell much of anything about what matters.

The party platforms still reveal a lot of important information and priorities. I consider RINOs just as evil as Democrats, maybe more so.  They ARE the reason for the Trump phenomenon, so there's that redeeming quality. 🤓

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Mon Oct 28, 2024 - 20:22:34Drain the Swamp?  Nope.  Appointed a bunch of swamp creatures to his cabinet

Did you happen to watch Trump's interview with Joe Rogan? There was some interesting discussion on that topic.

BTW, I think Trump did exceptionally well considering he was not only fighting the opposition party, but also the RINOS, the bureaucrats, mockingbird media like no POTUS in history.Remember how they started impeachment hearings on him as soon as he took office? Yes, he did exceptionally well considering all that mess.

I think the coming rage over Trump's comeback victory will be scary and epicly revealing to say the least.

Trump's biggest mistake was believing Republicans were any semblance of monolithic.  He had no idea of the traitorous RINOs, being a Democrat in his previous life, he likely assumed the GOP walked in lockstep as well. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.

https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/trump-vindicates-meritocracy/