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Per the SCRIPTURES, WHAT WAS  nailed to the cross?

Rom 7:12  So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Col 2:13  And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Col 2:14  by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Not the law, but the record of our sins of disobedience to the law.

I think you are right 4WD. The KJV says:

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Can you or anyone else elaborate on the "handwriting of ordinances that was against us"? What were these? Were they present with Israel from centuries before? When were they put in place and where were they kept? We know the stone tablets, the 10 commandments were kept inside the Ark of the Covenant.

Deut 10:5
"Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me."

Is there any Biblical reference WHERE the handwriting of ordinances was KEPT? I assume a scroll or book.

QuoteIs there any Biblical reference WHERE the handwriting of ordinances was KEPT? I assume a scroll or book.

In Hebrews 9:3-4 tells where the 10 commandment tablets were kept:

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

In Deuteronomy 31:24-26 Moses' handwritten book of laws and ordinances were kept BESIDE the Ark. AND were to be a witness against them.

24 ¶ It came about, when Moses finished writing the words of this law in a book until they were complete,
25 that Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
26 "Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you.

Therefore in Col 2:14,  only the the handwritten ordinances held against us were nailed to the cross. NOT the 10 commandments.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Quote from: Jaime on Fri Oct 17, 2025 - 05:23:07In Hebrews 9:3-4 tells where the 10 commandment tablets were kept:

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

In Deuteronomy 31:24-26 Moses' handwritten book of laws and ordinances were kept BESIDE the Ark. AND were to be a witness against them.

24 ¶ It came about, when Moses finished writing the words of this law in a book until they were complete,
25 that Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
26 "Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you.

Therefore in Col 2:14,  only the the handwritten ordinances held against us were nailed to the cross. NOT the 10 commandments.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Amen Without parables that hide the spiritual understanding from the father of lies without parables Christ in us. . spoke he not . The signifed tongue of parables called the hidden manna In Revelation 2:17 .

Placed on the outside of the gold end Ark . Gold the hiding power. Read what is outside it hides us from the doctrines as oral traditions of dying mankind . it why they were written of both sides no room for the oral traditions of dying mnankind

Quote from: Jaime on Tue Feb 11, 2025 - 06:22:10I think you are right 4WD. The KJV says:

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Can you or anyone else elaborate on the "handwriting of ordinances that was against us"? What were these? Were they present with Israel from centuries before? When were they put in place and where were they kept? We know the stone tablets, the 10 commandments were kept inside the Ark of the Covenant.

Deut 10:5
"Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me."

Is there any Biblical reference WHERE the handwriting of ordinances was KEPT? I assume a scroll or book.

The ESV translates that as "the record of debt"; the ISV has "the charges brought against us"; the NIV has "charge of our legal indebtedness".

There is no actual reference to a physical listing.  God's own mind is a sufficient repository for such a record.  On the other hand Revelation does speak of "the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done" (Rev 20:12-13).

Perhaps more to the point, Colossians 2:14 is speaking of the cancelling of record of debt (ESV) for those who have been saved.  There is no place where the  Law is said to be non-existent for those who have not been saved.  Paul makes the point that all who have not been saved are under a/the law (Rom 2:12-16).

My point I intended was I had heard it argued all my life that the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross, which seemed odd to me in light of other scriptures. Colossians 2:14 says it was the handwriting of ordinances that was nailed to the cross, which were separate from the stone tablets and kept BESIDE the ark and not IN the Ark. they were two different things. Yes our sin debt was washed away by the blood of Jesus. The law that was taken away was the handwriting of ordinances. God's Moral Law, the 10 commandments remains, it seems to me. Jesus DID tweek the interpretation of God's Law in the Sermon on the Mount in Mathew 5 by re-iterating it is not just the LETTER of the Law as the Pharisees had PERVERTED (thereby effectively abolishing), but also the SPIRIT of the Law as God originally intended. Jesus was bringing to light the Law's original, deeper intent.

The various versions of Col 2:14 have contributed a lot of fodder for differing views and is pretty mind boggling.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%202%3A14

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Oct 18, 2025 - 04:42:52My point I intended was I had heard it argued all my life that the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross, which seemed odd to me in light of other scriptures. Colossians 2:14 says it was the handwriting of ordinances that was nailed to the cross, which were separate from the stone tablets and kept BESIDE the ark and not IN the Ark. they were two different things. Yes our sin debt was washed away by the blood of Jesus. The law that was taken away was the handwriting of ordinances. God's Moral Law, the 10 commandments remains, it seems to me. Jesus DID tweek the interpretation of God's Law in the Sermon on the Mount in Mathew 5 by re-iterating it is not just the LETTER of the Law as the Pharisees had PERVERTED (thereby effectively anomishjng), but also the SPIRIT of the Law as God originally intended. Jesus was bringing to light the Law's original, deeper intent.

The various versions of Col 2:14 have contributed a lot of fodder for differing views and is pretty mind boggling.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%202%3A14

WOW. Mind blowing is right. Ummmm glad we are not told to memorize all these.

And we wonder why there are hundreds and hundreds of of different Christian denominations! One might surmise it was a ploy of the Great Deceiver! 🤔

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Oct 18, 2025 - 10:30:55And we wonder why there are hundreds and hundreds ofdifferent Christian denominations! One might surmise it was a ploy of the Great Deceiver! 🤔

You could be right. Or it could be from above as I often think of the Tower of Babel.

But one thing certain... even with a single denomination there are
divisions.

Quote from: Rella on Sat Oct 18, 2025 - 10:36:22You could be right. Or it could be from above as I often think of the Tower of Babel.

But one thing certain... even with a single denomination there are
divisions.

I was thinking it would be a great "divide and conquer" ploy.

I had struggled with what the heck was the handwriting of ordinances UNTIL I stumbled upon the passage in Deuteronomy 31:24-36 that defined it  AND told where these handwritings were kept. Most times the Old Testiment is the best interpretor of the New Testament! Who knew? 🧐

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Oct 18, 2025 - 10:30:55And we wonder why there are hundreds and hundreds of of different Christian denominations! One might surmise it was a ploy of the Great Deceiver! 🤔

God does not live in temples made by the hand of dying mankind. . the abomination of desolation. Its Christ in us.

God has caused division in order that he might create peace. Remember we look to the things not seen, the eternal faith of Christ. Not that seen the temporal historical.

Because his kingdom doe not come by observing the temporal historical Therefore there must be heresies /denominations .  heresy a opinion or called private interpretation Every man has one
 

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

1 Corinthians4: 6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

The smallest denomination is a family  Christianity the family of nations

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Interdenominational differences can exist whether there is a brick and mortar assembly place with or without a sign oit front. This division is of Satan in my opinion and for his purposes.

Jesus said:

John 17:21
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Oct 18, 2025 - 21:07:02Interdenominational differences can exist whether there is a brick and mortar assembly place with or without a sign oit front. This division is of Satan in my opinion and for his purposes.

Jesus said:

John 17:21
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

With out question. And for anyone who doubts what you said... they need to look at some of these. Praise God we... my church... split
but it took them too long to do so. Granted this took place 31 years ago... but it is ongoing in churches splitting allover the place as these ideas and such are like a cancerous growth.....

https://brfwitness.org/paganism-at-the-re-imagining-conference-1993/

CHURCH RENEWAL LEADERS
RESPOND TO THE "RE-IMAGINING" CONFERENCE

American and Canadian renewal leaders from mainline denominations meeting March 13-15, 1994 in Hamilton, Ontario, expressed profound concern regarding a recent feminist conference planned, funded, and attended by members and leaders of mainline denominations.

Beginning with the premise that Christianity needed to be reformulated, 2,000 women gathered to re-imagine God, the Church, and the family. The fourday 'Re-imagining" Conference was held November 4-7, 1993 in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

The renewal leaders declared the conference a trampling under foot of the Christian gospel, an attempt to reconstruct Christian faith without the offense of the cross.

The event included prayers and a "milk and honey" communion-like service to the goddess Sophia. In addition, speakers denied basic Christian tenets including the incarnation and atonement of Jesus Christ, and the transcendence of the God of Israel.

Some speakers proposed that God is one with trees, mountains, and rivers; and one speaker urged conference participants to harness divine energy in nature through the New Age process known as "pranic healing."

Participants also joined in a celebration of lesbianism, bisexuality, and transsexuality. Other conference speakers denounced the traditional family structure and proposed the acceptance of sex among friends as a normative expression.

Renewal leaders issued the following statement:

"We call upon all Christians to reaffirm their faith in God the Holy Trinity–the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and to confess that Jesus Christ is God's Son, the risen Lord and only Savior.

While affirming the contribution and role of women in the Christian Church throughout the ages, we call upon the participants and supporting denominations to renounce the idolatrous worship, false teachings, and syncretism of the 'Re-imagining' Conference.

We affirm the full and sufficient revelation of God in Christ through the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments and that the Christian faith is a gift of God and not a human invention to be reformulated or reimagined."

https://preterhuman.net/docs/WCC_CONFERENCE_HONORS_SOPHIA_GODDESS,_GIVES_OVATION_TO_LESBIANS
WCC CONFERENCE HONORS SOPHIA GODDESS, GIVES OVATION TO LESBIANS

This obvious Satanic movement is still ongoing, though slowing done
some....

There are a lot of links about that conference, and mention as recently as 13 years ago....

And http://www.truehopeministries.com/grace-notes/sophia-the-goddess-of-wisdom

8-15-24
Sophia - the goddess of wisdom?

Which is bot supporting the idea, but it is still very much alive.

Quote from: Rella on Yesterday at 07:35:31With out question. And for anyone who doubts what you said... they need to look at some of these. Praise God we... my church... split
but it took them too long to do so. Granted this took place 31 years ago... but it is ongoing in churches splitting allover the place as these ideas and such are like a cancerous growth.....

https://brfwitness.org/paganism-at-the-re-imagining-conference-1993/

CHURCH RENEWAL LEADERS
RESPOND TO THE "RE-IMAGINING" CONFERENCE

American and Canadian renewal leaders from mainline denominations meeting March 13-15, 1994 in Hamilton, Ontario, expressed profound concern regarding a recent feminist conference planned, funded, and attended by members and leaders of mainline denominations.

Beginning with the premise that Christianity needed to be reformulated, 2,000 women gathered to re-imagine God, the Church, and the family. The fourday 'Re-imagining" Conference was held November 4-7, 1993 in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

The renewal leaders declared the conference a trampling under foot of the Christian gospel, an attempt to reconstruct Christian faith without the offense of the cross.

The event included prayers and a "milk and honey" communion-like service to the goddess Sophia. In addition, speakers denied basic Christian tenets including the incarnation and atonement of Jesus Christ, and the transcendence of the God of Israel.

Some speakers proposed that God is one with trees, mountains, and rivers; and one speaker urged conference participants to harness divine energy in nature through the New Age process known as "pranic healing."

Participants also joined in a celebration of lesbianism, bisexuality, and transsexuality. Other conference speakers denounced the traditional family structure and proposed the acceptance of sex among friends as a normative expression.

Renewal leaders issued the following statement:

"We call upon all Christians to reaffirm their faith in God the Holy Trinity–the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and to confess that Jesus Christ is God's Son, the risen Lord and only Savior.

While affirming the contribution and role of women in the Christian Church throughout the ages, we call upon the participants and supporting denominations to renounce the idolatrous worship, false teachings, and syncretism of the 'Re-imagining' Conference.

We affirm the full and sufficient revelation of God in Christ through the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments and that the Christian faith is a gift of God and not a human invention to be reformulated or reimagined."

https://preterhuman.net/docs/WCC_CONFERENCE_HONORS_SOPHIA_GODDESS,_GIVES_OVATION_TO_LESBIANS
WCC CONFERENCE HONORS SOPHIA GODDESS, GIVES OVATION TO LESBIANS

This obvious Satanic movement is still ongoing, though slowing done
some....

There are a lot of links about that conference, and mention as recently as 13 years ago....

And http://www.truehopeministries.com/grace-notes/sophia-the-goddess-of-wisdom

8-15-24
Sophia - the goddess of wisdom?

Which is bot supporting the idea, but it is still very much alive.

Adam seen was used to represent the unseen Christ. Adam was to reveal the prohecy to Eve who represents the whole church, Christs bride .She as a priestess was used represent the preacher. Adam failed to protect her with the washing of the word not giving her the gospel words.  Satan knowing she was the weaker vessel. . not acting as Christ the husband he falsely prophesied four words .Neither shall you touch .The touch of death

In the parable replace Adam with Moses and Eve with Aaron


Exodus 7 King James Version 7 And the Lord said unto Moses (Adam), See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron(Eve) thy brother shall be thy prophet. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.


Sends them out even today two (husband and wife ) by two, the ministry of one working as if by two.

Satan the mythology counterfeiter .calling  Barnabas, Jupiter the Holy Father of gods and Paul mercury  the preacher

Acts 14:10-12 King James Version Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.