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Thursday Crucifixion a la Jeremy Meyers

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The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion
By Jeremy Myers
https://redeeminggod.com/case-for-thursday-crucifixion/
I believe that Jesus was crucified on Thursday instead of Friday. The following post explains why. I must hasten to add, however, that it is not super important to know for sure the day on which Jesus died. What is most important is to know that He died. The day on which Jesus died is not nearly as important as the fact that He did die.
Crucifixion Church tradition states that Jesus was crucified on a Friday. This is why we call it "Good Friday."
Friday Crucifixion
The main reason for this tradition, as far as I can tell, is that the disciples of Jesus were intent upon burying Jesus before the Sabbath arrived (Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:54; John 19:31). As most people equate the Sabbath with Saturday, it is believed that Jesus was crucified on Friday.
The primary problem with this, however, is that Jesus said He would spend three days and three nights in the grave (Matt 12:40). Many historians rightfully point out that by Jewish reckoning, any portion of a day was considered the whole day, this explanation still does not get us to three days and three nights.
Traditional Counting
Day 1: Jesus was crucified and buried on Friday before the sunset.
Night 1: He stayed in the grave Friday night.
Day 2: Saturday.
Night 2: Saturday night.
But this is all we can get. John 20:1 says that Jesus rose before sunrise on Sunday, when it was still dark. This means we cannot get a third day, let alone a third night. Some scholars say that since Jewish days actually begin at sundown, then any portion of that twenty-four hour period from sundown to sundown counts as the entire "day and night."
Only in this way can scholars have Jesus in the tomb for three "days and nights." He was in the tomb before sundown on Friday, which counts as Thursday night (night 1) and Friday day (day 1). Then He spends Friday night (night 2) and all day Saturday (day 2) in the tomb. Finally He rises before sunrise on Sunday, which counts for both Saturday night (night 3) and Sunday day (day 3). So even though Jesus was not in the tomb for any portion of Thursday night or Sunday day, they still get counted.
This explanation seems highly unlikely, especially when a much simpler solution is available. What is that solution?
Jesus was crucified on Thursday
Crucifixion cross
But if Jesus was crucified on Thursday, then the next day was not the Sabbath, right? Wrong. John 19:31 clearly tells us that this particular Sabbath was a High Day. In other words, it was not a weekly Saturday Sabbath, but was a special holiday Sabbath.
Readers of the Gospels must understand that there are two kinds of Sabbaths in Jewish years. There is the weekly Sabbath, which always begins on Friday night and continues all day Saturday until sunset. That is the Sabbath those most of us are aware of.
There is also a second type of Sabbath: the holiday Sabbath. It does not fall on a particular day of the week, but on a particular day of the year. Whichever day of the week this holiday falls on is treated like a Sabbath. Think of it like a Federal Holiday. While most Federal offices are closed every Sunday, they will also close on holidays like Christmas, on whichever day of the week it occurs.
This is what happened the year Jesus was crucified. It was the week of Passover, and the first day of Passover, which on the Jewish calendar is Nisan 15, is a holiday Sabbath, on whichever day of the week it occurs. That year, it fell on a Friday, which means that the holiday Sabbath of Passover began Thursday night.
This then, is the order of events:
Wednesday night: Last Supper in the Upper Room, and the arrest in Gethsemane
Thursday morning: Conclusion of Trials and Crucifixion
Thursday afternoon: Death and Burial. Counting of days now begins.
Thursday Day: Day 1
Thursday night: Night 1
Friday Day: Day 2
Friday Night: Night 2
Saturday Day: Day 3
Saturday Night: Night 3
Jesus rises before sunrise, so as not to start Day 4.
Three other points of evidence for this view:
We no longer have a "Silent Wednesday." Most chronologies of the final week of Jesus have a void on Wednesday, because the Gospels seem to say nothing about this day. But maybe the Gospels are not silent at all, and it is our order of events that is confused.
Jesus was technically in the grave for two consecutive Sabbaths, the holiday Sabbath and then the regular, weekly Sabbath. This fits with Matthew 28:1 which says that the two women came to the tomb where Jesus was buried after the Sabbaths (Plural. In Greek: sabbatōn) were over.
Edit (From Matt Aznoe on my Facebook page): One other point of evidence that is interesting is Palm Sunday. If Jesus was crucified on Thursday (Nisan 14), that would place Palm Sunday on Nisan 10 which is the day set forth in the original Passover law as the day that the people chose their Passover Lamb. The imagery then is striking — on the day that the Passover Lamb is chosen, the people of Jerusalem cry "Hosanna" as the Lamb of God rides in on a donkey. (Thanks Matt!)
This still does not solve the problem of why Jesus celebrated the Passover a day early, but that is still a difficulty whether you believe Jesus died on Thursday or Friday (cf. Matt 26:17; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:1, 7-8; and John 18:29; 19:14).
For more on this issue, see these articles:
After the Crucifixion
Did Jesus Eat the Passover Supper?
The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion
https://redeeminggod.com/case-for-thursday-crucifixion/

The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion
Comments on Jeremy Myers
By Gerhard Ebersöhn

I, Gerhard Ebersöhn, also believe that Jesus was crucified on Thursday instead of Friday. The following will explain why.
I must hasten to first state, however, that it is of essential importance to know for sure the day on which Jesus died. What makes it important is, "to know ... that Christ died according to the Scriptures, the third day..." 1Corinthians 15:4, "...the day after the Preparation ... on the Sabbath late before the First Day of the week". Matthew 27:62; 28:1.

The Scriptural truth of the day on which Jesus died and the fact that He did die, are Scripturally linked inseparable so that one without the other cannot and will not be understood as it should for us, being believers in Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures and not according to the traditions of men.

Q~Crucifixion Friday~Q
No Scripture or Scriptural ~reason for this tradition that Jesus was crucified on Friday~, exists, whether ~Church tradition states that Jesus was crucified on a Friday~ and ~this is why we call it "Good Friday~, or whether ~most people equate the Sabbath with Saturday~ and ~believe that the disciples were intent upon burying Jesus before the Sabbath arrived~ or not! Simply because there is no word or suggestion of any of ~this~, in Mark 15:42-43 Luke 23:54 Matthew 27:57 or John 19:31.

The ~primary problem with this~, most definitely, is not as Meyers thinks, ~that Jesus said He would spend three days and three nights in the grave (Matt 12:40)~! Jesus said nothing of the kind in Matthew 12:40 or elsewhere, ever.
But even that Jesus never said it, such things are not ~the primary problem with~ the Friday resurrection view.
The ~primary problem~ with ~this~, is the truth-less and therefore baseless and contrary the Scriptures claim, ~that the disciples were intent upon burying Jesus before the Sabbath arrived~ and actually had Him buried on the same day that He had been crucified and had died, before sunset.

So it's irrelevant and of no importance whatsoever what ~many historians~ may ~rightfully point out that by Jewish reckoning, any portion of a day was considered the whole day~, whether ~this explanation still does not get us to three days and three nights~ or not. It may be true, but it remains trivial a factor.

So What's Wrong with ~Traditional Counting ... Day 1: Jesus was crucified and buried on Friday before the sunset.~?
Answer:
That Jesus was not crucified ~and~ buried on Friday before the sunset!
Jesus was not Buried, but was Crucified and had Died and was "Deserted by all", "the ninth hour ... and it was The Preparation-of-the-Passover-Day." John 19:14. It was the day... one day exactly... before 'Friday' "That Day The Preparation the Sabbath nearing" three hours before sunset when Joseph had closed the grave! Luke 23:54.
Three hours was it before "Joseph (who was the only one to remember the forlorn Figure on the cross), suddenly ... when already it had become evening and the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath (Friday) had begun ... arrived there and asked Pilate for the body of Jesus in order to bury it." Luke 23:50 Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31.

So What's Wrong next with ~Traditional Counting ... Day ... Night 1: He stayed in the grave Friday night.~?
Answer:
It's totally true Jesus ~stayed in the grave Friday night~.
(But ~Friday night~ was night 2 of the "three days'", Biblically. The Scripture's ~Friday night~ was not ~Night 1~ because 'Friday' was not the Scripture's ~Day 1~; it was the Scripture's, 'day 2'.)

So What's Wrong next with ~Traditional Counting ... Day ... Day 2: Saturday : He stayed in the grave Friday night.~?
Answer:
It's totally true Jesus ~stayed in the grave ... Saturday~.
(But again, first, Jesus only ~stayed in the grave Saturday~ until "Late there was a great earthquake".
And next, because ~Saturday~ was day 3 of the "three days", Biblically. The Scripture's ~Sabbath~ was not ~Day 2~ because ~Friday night~ was the Sabbath's night— night of Scripture's "third day".)

So What's Wrong next with ~Traditional Counting ... Day ... Night 2: Saturday night.~?
Answer:
~Saturday night~ was not ~Night 2~; ~Saturday night~ was on the fourth day of the passover and after the "three days" "when the Sabbath had been over." Mark 16:1. ~Saturday night~ was any time more than three hours after "mid-afternoon late on the Sabbath" ~Saturday~ and Jesus resurrected from the dead.

This is not all we can find fault with.
So What's Wrong with a la Meyers ~Counting~ or ~believing that Jesus was crucified on Thursday instead of Friday~?
Answer:
John 20:1 does not say ~that Jesus rose before sunrise on Sunday, when it was still dark~. It says nothing of the sort, ~that Jesus rose~, to start with. And it says nothing of ~before sunrise on Sunday~. And it says nothing of ~when it was still dark~.
But John 20:1 says, "On the First Day of the week comes Mary Magdalene while being early of dark, dusk still, and seeing the stone (was cast) away from the tomb, she runs back."
Which means by "dusk" after sunset, Saturday, "being early of dark still", Jesus had already resurrected and it had been on the fourth day of the passover-days already. Which means we skipped "the third day" ~on Saturday~ which Jesus resurrected on.

So What's Wrong with what ~some scholars say that since Jewish days actually begin at sundown, then any portion of that twenty-four hour period from sundown to sundown counts as the entire "day and night"~?
Answer:
Nothing except everything, since ~on Saturday~ was after, and not "on, the third day". And because ~Jewish days~, are not ~day and night~, but night-and-day. And because ~Jewish days~ or Biblical days for that matter ~actually begin at sundown~, but, ~that twenty-four hour period from sundown~ after the previous day ~to sundown~ after the SAME day, night-and-day, counting as that ~entire~ day.

So What's Wrong with Meyers' criticism against ~Friday Crucifixion Church tradition~?
Answer:
This:— ~Only in this [untenable] way can scholars have Jesus [in Meyers' way] in the tomb for three "days and nights"~!
It is not the ~Church~, or the ~Friday Crucifixion tradition scholars~, or the Scriptures who ~have Jesus in the tomb for three "days and nights"~; it is Meyers with the ~Thursday crucifixion~ theory he, ~believes in~, that ~have Jesus in the tomb for three "days and nights"~; nobody in this discussion than Meyers. Because Jesus was not literally ~in the tomb for three "days and nights"~. He, figuratively and metaphorically, was "in the HEART of the earth, three days and three nights".

Yes, Joseph FINISHED to have Jesus ~in the tomb before sundown on Friday~. But that cannot ~count~ as ~Thursday night (night 1)—in the tomb~! Jesus was not ~in the tomb~ during ~Thursday night~. ~He spends Friday night~, ~in the tomb~, yes, and ~He spends~ 'Friday' daytime ~in the tomb~ for three hours (~Day I in the tomb~), plus, ~He spends~, ~Saturday (day 2) in the tomb~, yes, until "Late in the slow hours [Dionysius] of the Sabbath (~Day2 in the tomb~) when the angel of the Lord cast the stone away from the door in the inclining mid-afternoon daylight [tehi epiphohskousehi] towards the First Day of the week."
All which still does not ~account~ for ~Thursday night~ during which Meyers wrongly assumes Jesus was ~in the tomb~. Nor does any of this ~account~ for ~Thursday the day, Jesus was crucified on~ and which actually was ~Day 1~ and the day on which the counting of the "three days" actually had begun with, "when evening had come" the ~Wednesday night~. Mark 22:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 1Corinthians 11:23.
So,
~Wednesday night: Last Supper in the Upper Room, and the ~arrest in Gethsemane;
~Thursday morning: Conclusion of Trials and Crucifixion;
~Thursday afternoon: Death...~. Correct.

And so, ~counting of days~ had begun with ~Wednesday night~. In fact with ~Wednesday night~ and not with
~Thursday night: Night 1~, because ~Thursday night~ was ~Day 2~ its beginning already the Sixth Day of the week!

And so all the following got mixed up,
~Thursday Day: Day 1
~Thursday night: Night 1
~Friday Day: Day 2
~Friday Night: Night 2
~Saturday Day: Day 3
~Saturday Night: Night 3
~Jesus rises before sunrise, so as not to start Day 4.

Reviewed therefore:
~Thursday afternoon: Death and Burial. Counting of days now begins.~ [No ~Burial~! And ~counting of days~ began on
~Wednesday night~ "the evening" before!]
~Thursday Day: Day 1~ [Correct]
~Thursday night: Night 1~ [Wrong; Wednesday night was ~Night 1~, and ~Thursday night~ was ~Night 2~.]
~Friday Day: Day 2~ [Correct; but ~Burial~ was on ~Friday~ "The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath" which is the Sixth Day of the week.]
~Friday Night: Night 2~ [Wrong. ~Friday Night~ "was since The Preparation had begun, evening having had come" Mark 15:42, the night before, the night of the Sixth Day of the week. And so ~Friday Night~ was the beginning of "the Sabbath according to the Commansdment" in Luke 23:56b, and was night 3, not ~Night 2~.]
And so,
~Saturday Day: Day 3~ [Correct. Matthew 28:1-4 when Jesus rose from the dead.]
~Saturday Night: Night 3~ [Wrong, because ~Saturday Night~ was not ~Night 3~ but night 4 since Wednesday night, night 1 of the passover; and night 3 since Thursday night, night 1 of feast of unleavened bread eaten.]
Therefore,
from every angle considered, ~Jesus rises before sunrise~, is WRONG and IMPOSSIBLE! And since "the Sabbath was past when Mary Magdalene and (the other) Mary and Salome bought spices so that when they would go they would anoint Him", it was dusk still dark "after the Sabbath" and "on the First Day of the week" in which they, hours after, "very early sunrising, came to the grave and looked up the stone again." Mark 16:1 and 2-3.

Finally:
Jesus rose from the dead before sunset "late on Sabbath in the mid-afternoon as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week"
  • that only "when the Sabbath had gone through"[**], "and being dusk, early of dark, still"[***], would have started. Matthew 28:1 Mark 16:1 John 20:1.

    Therefore "late on Sabbath in the mid-afternoon as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week" does not ~count for both Saturday night and Sunday day~, because ~both Saturday night and Sunday day~ came "after the Sabbath", after "the third day", after the day Jesus rose from the dead on. And so exactly because Jesus was not in the tomb for any portion of Thursday daytime or night time, or for any portion of Saturday night time or Sunday daytime, they don't get counted for the two days and one night that Jesus for a portion of, was ~in the tomb~ literally.

    A Thursday Crucifixion, Friday Burial and Sabbath Resurrection no doubt offers the only and ~much simpler solution available~ to the question on which day of the week, Jesus rose from the dead. Therefore it is agreed, If Jesus was crucified on Thursday, then the next day was not the Seventh Day Sabbath. For Q~John 19:31 clearly tells us that this particular Sabbath was a High Day. In other words, it was not a weekly Saturday Sabbath, but was a special holiday Sabbath. Readers of the Gospels must understand that there are two kinds of Sabbaths in Jewish years. There is the weekly Sabbath, which always begins on Friday night and continues all day Saturday until sunset. That is the Sabbath those most of us are aware of. There is also a second type of Sabbath: the holiday Sabbath. It does not fall on a particular day of the week, but on a particular day of the year. Whichever day of the week this holiday falls on is treated like a Sabbath. Think of it like a Federal Holiday. While most Federal offices are closed every Sunday, they will also close on holidays like Christmas, on whichever day of the week it occurs.
    This is what happened the year Jesus was crucified. It was the week of Passover, and the first day of Passover, which on the Jewish calendar is Nisan 15, is a holiday Sabbath, on whichever day of the week it occurs. That year, it fell on a Friday, which means that the holiday Sabbath of Passover began Thursday night.~Q

    This then, is the order of events agreed on so far—
    Q~Wednesday night: Last Supper in the Upper Room, and the arrest in Gethsemane
    Thursday morning: Conclusion of Trials and Crucifixion
    Thursday afternoon: Death~Q

    This then, is where the order of events agreed on, stops—
    for ~Burial~, was not, ~Thursday afternoon~, after ~Death~,
    but, was after Jesus after "there was darkness for three hours", had died, and after "the ninth hour", "there was an earthquake"; and after the earthquake "everybody had gone home"; and after everybody had gone home "evening already had come and ... after these things the Jews asked Pilate" to do, and after the soldiers had done those things for them, "only then did Joseph arrive there and went in to Pilate and asked for the Body of Jesus in order to bury Him according to the ethical custom of the Jews to bury". "Only then", could Joseph begin, with the customs to bury, and "prepare the body" for the grave. Then after another 21 hours was Joseph able to "close the grave", and "go home", burial finished! "And That Day (of Burial) the Preparation was ending while the Sabbath mid-afternoon was nearing."

    As pertains Meyers' ~Three other points of evidence for this view:~
    He still has a ~"Silent Wednesday"~. And he still has the 'Still Saturday' of the traditional Friday Resurrection theory.
    Now like ~most chronologies of the final week of Jesus have a void on Wednesday~, Meyers also thinks ~the Gospels seem to say nothing about this day~. And although he admits, ~maybe the Gospels are not silent at all, and it is our order of events that is confused~, he has nothing that might have filled the events of that Mid-week-Day in Jesus' Last Passover Week.
    And although Meyers says ~Jesus was technically in the grave for two consecutive Sabbaths, the holiday Sabbath and then the regular, weekly Sabbath~, he fails to explain how that ~this fits with Matthew 28:1 which says that the two women came to the tomb where Jesus was buried, after the Sabbaths (Plural. In Greek: sabbatōn) were over~.
    Notwithstanding that Meyers employs two fallacies to prove his point of an eventful Wednesday, he fails to identify any of his alleged events on it! He unintentionally, fails to intentionally cover up his fallacies needed to get the Resurrection onto Sunday morning.
    Now the Marys ~came~ not ~to the tomb~, and they did not come ~after~, ~Sabbaths (Plural. In Greek: sabbatōn) were over~. The two women "late on the Sabbath"—Greek Plural for the idiomatic Singular 'sabbatohn', "Sabbath-of-the-week"—, "set out to (go have a) look at the tomb when unexpectedly there was a great earthquake" and of their intended visit to the tomb, as a result came nothing!

    So about, ~One other point of evidence that is interesting is Palm Sunday.~
    ~Interesting~ for what? ~Interesting~ to ~solve the problem of why Jesus celebrated the Passover a day early~! So while ~This (Palm Sunday) still does not solve the problem of why Jesus celebrated the Passover a day early~, how can it help to solve the problem, on which day of the week Jesus rose from the dead or was crucified or was buried?! It will only help if every day of the Last Week can be identified with the events that occurred on it; not only Palm Sunday and even less when Palm Sunday has not been identified with any indicative facts of chronology! I'm not saying it cannot be seen from the Scriptures; I only say Meyers has not shown anything that establishes Palm Sunday or any other day of Jesus' Last Week for what he assumes they were.

    So yes, as Meyers states, ~If Jesus was crucified on Thursday (Nisan 14), that would place Palm Sunday on Nisan 10 which is the day set forth in the original Passover law as the day that the people chose their Passover Lamb on.~ Correct!
    But so, yes, as Meyers nevertheless states, ~This still does not solve the problem ... that is still a difficulty whether you believe Jesus died on Thursday or Friday.~
    For more on this issue, one will have to read the Scriptures' records. ~The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion~ in my, GE's, opinion, is watertight but for few of the same reasons in Meyers' opinion, most important of which are Meyers' anxiety to force the Resurrection onto Sunday and the Burial onto Thursday the day of Crucifixion.


garee

Quote from: Gerhard Ebersöhn on Sun Feb 05, 2017 - 17:10:52The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion
By Jeremy Myers
https://redeeminggod.com/case-for-thursday-crucifixion/
I believe that Jesus was crucified on Thursday instead of Friday. The following post explains why. I must hasten to add, however, that it is not super important to know for sure the day on which Jesus died. What is most important is to know that He died. The day on which Jesus died is not nearly as important as the fact that He did die.
Crucifixion Church tradition states that Jesus was crucified on a Friday. This is why we call it "Good Friday."
Friday Crucifixion
The main reason for this tradition, as far as I can tell, is that the disciples of Jesus were intent upon burying Jesus before the Sabbath arrived (Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:54; John 19:31). As most people equate the Sabbath with Saturday, it is believed that Jesus was crucified on Friday.
The primary problem with this, however, is that Jesus said He would spend three days and three nights in the grave (Matt 12:40). Many historians rightfully point out that by Jewish reckoning, any portion of a day was considered the whole day, this explanation still does not get us to three days and three nights.
Traditional Counting
Day 1: Jesus was crucified and buried on Friday before the sunset.
Night 1: He stayed in the grave Friday night.
Day 2: Saturday.
Night 2: Saturday night.
But this is all we can get. John 20:1 says that Jesus rose before sunrise on Sunday, when it was still dark. This means we cannot get a third day, let alone a third night. Some scholars say that since Jewish days actually begin at sundown, then any portion of that twenty-four hour period from sundown to sundown counts as the entire "day and night."
Only in this way can scholars have Jesus in the tomb for three "days and nights." He was in the tomb before sundown on Friday, which counts as Thursday night (night 1) and Friday day (day 1). Then He spends Friday night (night 2) and all day Saturday (day 2) in the tomb. Finally He rises before sunrise on Sunday, which counts for both Saturday night (night 3) and Sunday day (day 3). So even though Jesus was not in the tomb for any portion of Thursday night or Sunday day, they still get counted.
This explanation seems highly unlikely, especially when a much simpler solution is available. What is that solution?
Jesus was crucified on Thursday
Crucifixion cross
But if Jesus was crucified on Thursday, then the next day was not the Sabbath, right? Wrong. John 19:31 clearly tells us that this particular Sabbath was a High Day. In other words, it was not a weekly Saturday Sabbath, but was a special holiday Sabbath.
Readers of the Gospels must understand that there are two kinds of Sabbaths in Jewish years. There is the weekly Sabbath, which always begins on Friday night and continues all day Saturday until sunset. That is the Sabbath those most of us are aware of.
There is also a second type of Sabbath: the holiday Sabbath. It does not fall on a particular day of the week, but on a particular day of the year. Whichever day of the week this holiday falls on is treated like a Sabbath. Think of it like a Federal Holiday. While most Federal offices are closed every Sunday, they will also close on holidays like Christmas, on whichever day of the week it occurs.
This is what happened the year Jesus was crucified. It was the week of Passover, and the first day of Passover, which on the Jewish calendar is Nisan 15, is a holiday Sabbath, on whichever day of the week it occurs. That year, it fell on a Friday, which means that the holiday Sabbath of Passover began Thursday night.
This then, is the order of events:
Wednesday night: Last Supper in the Upper Room, and the arrest in Gethsemane
Thursday morning: Conclusion of Trials and Crucifixion
Thursday afternoon: Death and Burial. Counting of days now begins.
Thursday Day: Day 1
Thursday night: Night 1
Friday Day: Day 2
Friday Night: Night 2
Saturday Day: Day 3
Saturday Night: Night 3
Jesus rises before sunrise, so as not to start Day 4.
Three other points of evidence for this view:
We no longer have a "Silent Wednesday." Most chronologies of the final week of Jesus have a void on Wednesday, because the Gospels seem to say nothing about this day. But maybe the Gospels are not silent at all, and it is our order of events that is confused.
Jesus was technically in the grave for two consecutive Sabbaths, the holiday Sabbath and then the regular, weekly Sabbath. This fits with Matthew 28:1 which says that the two women came to the tomb where Jesus was buried after the Sabbaths (Plural. In Greek: sabbatōn) were over.
Edit (From Matt Aznoe on my Facebook page): One other point of evidence that is interesting is Palm Sunday. If Jesus was crucified on Thursday (Nisan 14), that would place Palm Sunday on Nisan 10 which is the day set forth in the original Passover law as the day that the people chose their Passover Lamb. The imagery then is striking — on the day that the Passover Lamb is chosen, the people of Jerusalem cry "Hosanna" as the Lamb of God rides in on a donkey. (Thanks Matt!)
This still does not solve the problem of why Jesus celebrated the Passover a day early, but that is still a difficulty whether you believe Jesus died on Thursday or Friday (cf. Matt 26:17; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:1, 7-8; and John 18:29; 19:14).
For more on this issue, see these articles:
After the Crucifixion
Did Jesus Eat the Passover Supper?
The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion
https://redeeminggod.com/case-for-thursday-crucifixion/

The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion
Comments on Jeremy Myers
By Gerhard Ebersöhn

I, Gerhard Ebersöhn, also believe that Jesus was crucified on Thursday instead of Friday. The following will explain why.
I must hasten to first state, however, that it is of essential importance to know for sure the day on which Jesus died. What makes it important is, "to know ... that Christ died according to the Scriptures, the third day..." 1Corinthians 15:4, "...the day after the Preparation ... on the Sabbath late before the First Day of the week". Matthew 27:62; 28:1.

The Scriptural truth of the day on which Jesus died and the fact that He did die, are Scripturally linked inseparable so that one without the other cannot and will not be understood as it should for us, being believers in Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures and not according to the traditions of men.

Q~Crucifixion Friday~Q
No Scripture or Scriptural ~reason for this tradition that Jesus was crucified on Friday~, exists, whether ~Church tradition states that Jesus was crucified on a Friday~ and ~this is why we call it "Good Friday~, or whether ~most people equate the Sabbath with Saturday~ and ~believe that the disciples were intent upon burying Jesus before the Sabbath arrived~ or not! Simply because there is no word or suggestion of any of ~this~, in Mark 15:42-43 Luke 23:54 Matthew 27:57 or John 19:31.

The ~primary problem with this~, most definitely, is not as Meyers thinks, ~that Jesus said He would spend three days and three nights in the grave (Matt 12:40)~! Jesus said nothing of the kind in Matthew 12:40 or elsewhere, ever.
But even that Jesus never said it, such things are not ~the primary problem with~ the Friday resurrection view.
The ~primary problem~ with ~this~, is the truth-less and therefore baseless and contrary the Scriptures claim, ~that the disciples were intent upon burying Jesus before the Sabbath arrived~ and actually had Him buried on the same day that He had been crucified and had died, before sunset.

So it's irrelevant and of no importance whatsoever what ~many historians~ may ~rightfully point out that by Jewish reckoning, any portion of a day was considered the whole day~, whether ~this explanation still does not get us to three days and three nights~ or not. It may be true, but it remains trivial a factor.

So What's Wrong with ~Traditional Counting ... Day 1: Jesus was crucified and buried on Friday before the sunset.~?
Answer:
That Jesus was not crucified ~and~ buried on Friday before the sunset!
Jesus was not Buried, but was Crucified and had Died and was "Deserted by all", "the ninth hour ... and it was The Preparation-of-the-Passover-Day." John 19:14. It was the day... one day exactly... before 'Friday' "That Day The Preparation the Sabbath nearing" three hours before sunset when Joseph had closed the grave! Luke 23:54.
Three hours was it before "Joseph (who was the only one to remember the forlorn Figure on the cross), suddenly ... when already it had become evening and the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath (Friday) had begun ... arrived there and asked Pilate for the body of Jesus in order to bury it." Luke 23:50 Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31.

So What's Wrong next with ~Traditional Counting ... Day ... Night 1: He stayed in the grave Friday night.~?
Answer:
It's totally true Jesus ~stayed in the grave Friday night~.
(But ~Friday night~ was night 2 of the "three days'", Biblically. The Scripture's ~Friday night~ was not ~Night 1~ because 'Friday' was not the Scripture's ~Day 1~; it was the Scripture's, 'day 2'.)

So What's Wrong next with ~Traditional Counting ... Day ... Day 2: Saturday : He stayed in the grave Friday night.~?
Answer:
It's totally true Jesus ~stayed in the grave ... Saturday~.
(But again, first, Jesus only ~stayed in the grave Saturday~ until "Late there was a great earthquake".
And next, because ~Saturday~ was day 3 of the "three days", Biblically. The Scripture's ~Sabbath~ was not ~Day 2~ because ~Friday night~ was the Sabbath's night— night of Scripture's "third day".)

So What's Wrong next with ~Traditional Counting ... Day ... Night 2: Saturday night.~?
Answer:
~Saturday night~ was not ~Night 2~; ~Saturday night~ was on the fourth day of the passover and after the "three days" "when the Sabbath had been over." Mark 16:1. ~Saturday night~ was any time more than three hours after "mid-afternoon late on the Sabbath" ~Saturday~ and Jesus resurrected from the dead.

This is not all we can find fault with.
So What's Wrong with a la Meyers ~Counting~ or ~believing that Jesus was crucified on Thursday instead of Friday~?
Answer:
John 20:1 does not say ~that Jesus rose before sunrise on Sunday, when it was still dark~. It says nothing of the sort, ~that Jesus rose~, to start with. And it says nothing of ~before sunrise on Sunday~. And it says nothing of ~when it was still dark~.
But John 20:1 says, "On the First Day of the week comes Mary Magdalene while being early of dark, dusk still, and seeing the stone (was cast) away from the tomb, she runs back."
Which means by "dusk" after sunset, Saturday, "being early of dark still", Jesus had already resurrected and it had been on the fourth day of the passover-days already. Which means we skipped "the third day" ~on Saturday~ which Jesus resurrected on.

So What's Wrong with what ~some scholars say that since Jewish days actually begin at sundown, then any portion of that twenty-four hour period from sundown to sundown counts as the entire "day and night"~?
Answer:
Nothing except everything, since ~on Saturday~ was after, and not "on, the third day". And because ~Jewish days~, are not ~day and night~, but night-and-day. And because ~Jewish days~ or Biblical days for that matter ~actually begin at sundown~, but, ~that twenty-four hour period from sundown~ after the previous day ~to sundown~ after the SAME day, night-and-day, counting as that ~entire~ day.

So What's Wrong with Meyers' criticism against ~Friday Crucifixion Church tradition~?
Answer:
This:— ~Only in this [untenable] way can scholars have Jesus [in Meyers' way] in the tomb for three "days and nights"~!
It is not the ~Church~, or the ~Friday Crucifixion tradition scholars~, or the Scriptures who ~have Jesus in the tomb for three "days and nights"~; it is Meyers with the ~Thursday crucifixion~ theory he, ~believes in~, that ~have Jesus in the tomb for three "days and nights"~; nobody in this discussion than Meyers. Because Jesus was not literally ~in the tomb for three "days and nights"~. He, figuratively and metaphorically, was "in the HEART of the earth, three days and three nights".

Yes, Joseph FINISHED to have Jesus ~in the tomb before sundown on Friday~. But that cannot ~count~ as ~Thursday night (night 1)—in the tomb~! Jesus was not ~in the tomb~ during ~Thursday night~. ~He spends Friday night~, ~in the tomb~, yes, and ~He spends~ 'Friday' daytime ~in the tomb~ for three hours (~Day I in the tomb~), plus, ~He spends~, ~Saturday (day 2) in the tomb~, yes, until "Late in the slow hours [Dionysius] of the Sabbath (~Day2 in the tomb~) when the angel of the Lord cast the stone away from the door in the inclining mid-afternoon daylight [tehi epiphohskousehi] towards the First Day of the week."
All which still does not ~account~ for ~Thursday night~ during which Meyers wrongly assumes Jesus was ~in the tomb~. Nor does any of this ~account~ for ~Thursday the day, Jesus was crucified on~ and which actually was ~Day 1~ and the day on which the counting of the "three days" actually had begun with, "when evening had come" the ~Wednesday night~. Mark 22:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 1Corinthians 11:23.
So,
~Wednesday night: Last Supper in the Upper Room, and the ~arrest in Gethsemane;
~Thursday morning: Conclusion of Trials and Crucifixion;
~Thursday afternoon: Death...~. Correct.

And so, ~counting of days~ had begun with ~Wednesday night~. In fact with ~Wednesday night~ and not with
~Thursday night: Night 1~, because ~Thursday night~ was ~Day 2~ its beginning already the Sixth Day of the week!

And so all the following got mixed up,
~Thursday Day: Day 1
~Thursday night: Night 1
~Friday Day: Day 2
~Friday Night: Night 2
~Saturday Day: Day 3
~Saturday Night: Night 3
~Jesus rises before sunrise, so as not to start Day 4.

Reviewed therefore:
~Thursday afternoon: Death and Burial. Counting of days now begins.~ [No ~Burial~! And ~counting of days~ began on
~Wednesday night~ "the evening" before!]
~Thursday Day: Day 1~ [Correct]
~Thursday night: Night 1~ [Wrong; Wednesday night was ~Night 1~, and ~Thursday night~ was ~Night 2~.]
~Friday Day: Day 2~ [Correct; but ~Burial~ was on ~Friday~ "The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath" which is the Sixth Day of the week.]
~Friday Night: Night 2~ [Wrong. ~Friday Night~ "was since The Preparation had begun, evening having had come" Mark 15:42, the night before, the night of the Sixth Day of the week. And so ~Friday Night~ was the beginning of "the Sabbath according to the Commansdment" in Luke 23:56b, and was night 3, not ~Night 2~.]
And so,
~Saturday Day: Day 3~ [Correct. Matthew 28:1-4 when Jesus rose from the dead.]
~Saturday Night: Night 3~ [Wrong, because ~Saturday Night~ was not ~Night 3~ but night 4 since Wednesday night, night 1 of the passover; and night 3 since Thursday night, night 1 of feast of unleavened bread eaten.]
Therefore,
from every angle considered, ~Jesus rises before sunrise~, is WRONG and IMPOSSIBLE! And since "the Sabbath was past when Mary Magdalene and (the other) Mary and Salome bought spices so that when they would go they would anoint Him", it was dusk still dark "after the Sabbath" and "on the First Day of the week" in which they, hours after, "very early sunrising, came to the grave and looked up the stone again." Mark 16:1 and 2-3.

Finally:
Jesus rose from the dead before sunset "late on Sabbath in the mid-afternoon as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week"
  • that only "when the Sabbath had gone through"[**], "and being dusk, early of dark, still"[***], would have started. Matthew 28:1 Mark 16:1 John 20:1.

Therefore "late on Sabbath in the mid-afternoon as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week" does not ~count for both Saturday night and Sunday day~, because ~both Saturday night and Sunday day~ came "after the Sabbath", after "the third day", after the day Jesus rose from the dead on. And so exactly because Jesus was not in the tomb for any portion of Thursday daytime or night time, or for any portion of Saturday night time or Sunday daytime, they don't get counted for the two days and one night that Jesus for a portion of, was ~in the tomb~ literally.

A Thursday Crucifixion, Friday Burial and Sabbath Resurrection no doubt offers the only and ~much simpler solution available~ to the question on which day of the week, Jesus rose from the dead. Therefore it is agreed, If Jesus was crucified on Thursday, then the next day was not the Seventh Day Sabbath. For Q~John 19:31 clearly tells us that this particular Sabbath was a High Day. In other words, it was not a weekly Saturday Sabbath, but was a special holiday Sabbath. Readers of the Gospels must understand that there are two kinds of Sabbaths in Jewish years. There is the weekly Sabbath, which always begins on Friday night and continues all day Saturday until sunset. That is the Sabbath those most of us are aware of. There is also a second type of Sabbath: the holiday Sabbath. It does not fall on a particular day of the week, but on a particular day of the year. Whichever day of the week this holiday falls on is treated like a Sabbath. Think of it like a Federal Holiday. While most Federal offices are closed every Sunday, they will also close on holidays like Christmas, on whichever day of the week it occurs.
This is what happened the year Jesus was crucified. It was the week of Passover, and the first day of Passover, which on the Jewish calendar is Nisan 15, is a holiday Sabbath, on whichever day of the week it occurs. That year, it fell on a Friday, which means that the holiday Sabbath of Passover began Thursday night.~Q

This then, is the order of events agreed on so far—
Q~Wednesday night: Last Supper in the Upper Room, and the arrest in Gethsemane
Thursday morning: Conclusion of Trials and Crucifixion
Thursday afternoon: Death~Q

This then, is where the order of events agreed on, stops—
for ~Burial~, was not, ~Thursday afternoon~, after ~Death~,
but, was after Jesus after "there was darkness for three hours", had died, and after "the ninth hour", "there was an earthquake"; and after the earthquake "everybody had gone home"; and after everybody had gone home "evening already had come and ... after these things the Jews asked Pilate" to do, and after the soldiers had done those things for them, "only then did Joseph arrive there and went in to Pilate and asked for the Body of Jesus in order to bury Him according to the ethical custom of the Jews to bury". "Only then", could Joseph begin, with the customs to bury, and "prepare the body" for the grave. Then after another 21 hours was Joseph able to "close the grave", and "go home", burial finished! "And That Day (of Burial) the Preparation was ending while the Sabbath mid-afternoon was nearing."

As pertains Meyers' ~Three other points of evidence for this view:~
He still has a ~"Silent Wednesday"~. And he still has the 'Still Saturday' of the traditional Friday Resurrection theory.
Now like ~most chronologies of the final week of Jesus have a void on Wednesday~, Meyers also thinks ~the Gospels seem to say nothing about this day~. And although he admits, ~maybe the Gospels are not silent at all, and it is our order of events that is confused~, he has nothing that might have filled the events of that Mid-week-Day in Jesus' Last Passover Week.
And although Meyers says ~Jesus was technically in the grave for two consecutive Sabbaths, the holiday Sabbath and then the regular, weekly Sabbath~, he fails to explain how that ~this fits with Matthew 28:1 which says that the two women came to the tomb where Jesus was buried, after the Sabbaths (Plural. In Greek: sabbatōn) were over~.
Notwithstanding that Meyers employs two fallacies to prove his point of an eventful Wednesday, he fails to identify any of his alleged events on it! He unintentionally, fails to intentionally cover up his fallacies needed to get the Resurrection onto Sunday morning.
Now the Marys ~came~ not ~to the tomb~, and they did not come ~after~, ~Sabbaths (Plural. In Greek: sabbatōn) were over~. The two women "late on the Sabbath"—Greek Plural for the idiomatic Singular 'sabbatohn', "Sabbath-of-the-week"—, "set out to (go have a) look at the tomb when unexpectedly there was a great earthquake" and of their intended visit to the tomb, as a result came nothing!

So about, ~One other point of evidence that is interesting is Palm Sunday.~
~Interesting~ for what? ~Interesting~ to ~solve the problem of why Jesus celebrated the Passover a day early~! So while ~This (Palm Sunday) still does not solve the problem of why Jesus celebrated the Passover a day early~, how can it help to solve the problem, on which day of the week Jesus rose from the dead or was crucified or was buried?! It will only help if every day of the Last Week can be identified with the events that occurred on it; not only Palm Sunday and even less when Palm Sunday has not been identified with any indicative facts of chronology! I'm not saying it cannot be seen from the Scriptures; I only say Meyers has not shown anything that establishes Palm Sunday or any other day of Jesus' Last Week for what he assumes they were.

So yes, as Meyers states, ~If Jesus was crucified on Thursday (Nisan 14), that would place Palm Sunday on Nisan 10 which is the day set forth in the original Passover law as the day that the people chose their Passover Lamb on.~ Correct!
But so, yes, as Meyers nevertheless states, ~This still does not solve the problem ... that is still a difficulty whether you believe Jesus died on Thursday or Friday.~
For more on this issue, one will have to read the Scriptures' records. ~The Case for a Thursday Crucifixion~ in my, GE's, opinion, is watertight but for few of the same reasons in Meyers' opinion, most important of which are Meyers' anxiety to force the Resurrection onto Sunday and the Burial onto Thursday the day of Crucifixion.




I would offer three is a metaphor used in parables the signified tongue of parables using the things seen as a sign to denote the end of a matter.

It begins in that way in Genesis .Day three his glory as the light of the world departed and created a temporal source the Sun the reflected glory the moon.
Used in parables to denote the Holy Father and Son of man Jesus a image of the invisible Fathers glory.

The prophecy is three days and nights compared to the parable using Jonas compared to the son of man Jesus.  two witnesses one metaphor called belly of the whale the  other heart of the earth. 

Both representing sufferings unto death not dead never to rise to new spirit life. Both calling out to the Holy Father for strength to finish . God does not commune with the dead never to rise to new spirit life

Three different demonstrations working as one .The cross the bloody demonstration of the lamb that was slain during the foundation the 6 days the Holy Father did work A sign to the unbelieving world.

Another demonstration to the believer not a sign to the unbelievers. Believers have prohecy no need to wonder after signs


The first of three demonstration fulling the two prophecies as the witness of two. Genesis 3:15 with Isiah 53 .The Holy Father bruising the heel of the Son of man Jesus crushing the head of the father of lies the serpent. 

The sufferings unto death began in the Garden of Gethsemane. Perhaps in that parable looking back at the garden of Eden reestablish relationship ? the witness of two the Holy Father with the Son of man jesus . three times to denote the end Jesus in sufferings bruised heel---looked to the other apostles,  three times the Holy Father put them asleep to fulfil the prohecy of two. I call the dynamic duo.

Then the Holy Father awoke them and went to the hill of skull the bloody demonstatation as a metaphor called bloody husband (Exodus 4:25-26)a sign  to the world. And last the demonstration of of the two the tomb demonstration of faith the unseen eternal .There the Holy Father removed the gave clothes and rolled back the stone .All three demonstrations working ad one

The parable using Lazarus sufferings unto death four days the Holy Father Christ continuing to work with him . when it was over . He loving commanded them to remove the grave clothes (stinky job)and roll back the stone the difference of the two parables. One born again the other Christian fellowship   


 

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