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I find it curious that you object to the various religious "factions" and partisan labels such as the Baptist Church, Methodist Church, Church of God, Church of Christ, Assembly of God, Catholic Church, Christian Church, Lutheran Church, Presbyterian Church, and all of the others—regardless of the caption they have adopted to function under.

The reason for those various religious "factions" is because there are groups of believers like you who refuse to align themselves with others who hold differing views of various issues, such as assemblies meeting in designated facilities rather than individual's houses. You have made home assemblies a test of fellowship.  You belong to the Assembly of Homes.

Attempting to cause division in the name of being a "Christian Only" just like the Campbell's.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 04:56:27Attempting to cause division in the name of being a "Christian Only" just like the Campbell's.

Why do you think he was attempting to cause division?  Whether he did or not is quite beside the point.

Quote from: Reformer on Sun Nov 16, 2025 - 21:12:22

Our God Reigns Universally
[See below "Free Books" & "Home Assemblies in Kenya"]

It might surprise some of you that Ambassador Paul was a zealous partisan, a Pharisee, before he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior. (See Acts 26:5.) He abandoned this separatist religion to live for Jesus. In our day, the redeemed community includes believers who are still caught up in the web of "Churchianity," for God's children are scattered over a diversity of partisan terrains. However, God's new reign stretches far beyond the borders of any sect, church, religious party, or cult. "Churchianity" reigns over a restricted territory. God's reign is universal.

And while it may be wise to remove the apostate church entirely and start over, considering how grave "mad church disease" has plagued her, nonetheless many of her children may choose to remain where they are and work for reform. This is not always possible, however, because the apostate church "would rather fight than switch." Reformers are not always welcome within her ranks. They are usually accorded the "left boot of fellowship."

Martin Luther wanted to work within the sinister Roman Catholic Church for reform, but the scandalous Vatican would have no part of it. Instead, they sought his life. He escaped the "Holy See's" murderous hounds, but the sinister Vatican continued their efforts to find him and "do him in."

I would offer. Not a new reign.

The time of reformation came (Hebrew 9)   The Jewish men only club came to a end .The two fifteen ft. high walls. . One that separated the Jewish women from participating in the ceremonies Another wall to separate the Jew from the gentile .

Both walls fell down when the veil was rent and there was no dying Jewish man siting in the what was called the Holy of holy .Temples made with the hands of dying mankind as a will of men .


The gospel explosion one like never before or ever again. Men and woman Jew and Gentile could now gather as one new Christian religion .

The foundation for you "must be born again from above" began in Genesis 4  Not Pentecost the time of promised reformation.




 

Quote from: 4WD on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 06:27:21Why do you think he was attempting to cause division?  Whether he did or not is quite beside the point.

Buff is asking people to leave other churches to leave "churchianity".  The end result is pushing for further division.  It doesn't matter what the intent of the Campbell's either.  The result is the same.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 08:13:17Buff is asking people to leave other churches to leave "churchianity".  The end result is pushing for further division.  It doesn't matter what the intent of the Campbell's either.  The result is the same.

It does matter. Intent to cause division is, I believe, a sin.  Having done something with good intentions that others used to bring about division is, I believe, not a sin.  Campbell was not intending to cause division; in fact, just the opposite.  His view was basically to disavow man-created creeds hoping that would lead to unity. Unfortunately, as you indicated, it led to even further divisions.

Quote from: 4WD on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 04:08:05I find it curious that you object to the various religious "factions" and partisan labels such as the Baptist Church, Methodist Church, Church of God, Church of Christ, Assembly of God, Catholic Church, Christian Church, Lutheran Church, Presbyterian Church, and all of the others—regardless of the caption they have adopted to function under.

The reason for those various religious "factions" is because there are groups of believers like you who refuse to align themselves with others who hold differing views of various issues, such as assemblies meeting in designated facilities rather than individual's houses. You have made home assemblies a test of fellowship.  You belong to the Assembly of Homes.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 08:13:17Buff is asking people to leave other churches to leave "churchianity".  The end result is pushing for further division.  It doesn't matter what the intent of the Campbell's either.  The result is the same.

Quote from: Reformer on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 13:53:38

That you may not lead us astray and cater to more divisions, I suggest you understand that "Churchianity" alludes to partisan religion or the party spirit, which Paul condemned.

Your partisanship is cloaked under a label of non-partisan.  You just are too blind to see it

Quote from: Reformer on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 14:12:19

Here, here, don't give me indigestion. I'm getting ready for lunch.

Truth often does cause indigestion when one doesn't want to stomach it

Quote from: Reformer on Mon Nov 17, 2025 - 13:45:16

You need to be a little corrected, my brother. I have not advanced the idea that meeting in homes is the only suitable way to meet. In Iowa a few years ago, we met in a barn. What I have said, and still say, the early believers, overall, met in homes. They also met by the riverside, in Synagogues, and in other public places.

But don't you find it uniquely strange they never met in a church structure? Yes, God has children scattered everywhere, even inside church structures. We truly need to remind ourselves that elaborate church structures have become our idols. 

You do not know that in some locations they may have met in "church" structures.  But the key here is that there is not a single word in the whole of the NT concerning the building or the place where they were to meet.  You have added that concern as a point of order.

Quote from: 4WD on Tue Nov 18, 2025 - 04:18:03You do not know that in some locations they may have met in "church" structures.  But the key here is that there is not a single word in the whole of the NT concerning the building or the place where they were to meet.  You have added that concern as a point of order.

I would offer..

God apposes temples made with human hands as a will of dying mankind.

The Pagan foundation. Those who refuse to serve the living words of our Holy Father. King of earthly kings. They serve a earthen inspired king serving thier own flesh.

The whole time of pagan kings in Israel (the abomination of desolation)  beginning in 1 Samael 8 until the time of the 1st century reformation.

Christ as God  did use that time period as a parables which without parables the signified understanding Christ in us Spoke not .

Using the signified things seen the temporal historical to give us the gospel understanding .Hid from the father of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after just as if new prophecy.

Having reformed the understanding acknowledging Christ our Holy Father has returned as King of earthly kings. Lord of earthly lords and Holy Father of eathly fathers .Call no dying man on  earth Pope. .  Holy Father

Hebrew 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

The gospel is in respect to one nation or family based on Adam and Eve or the new born again family founded on Christ our Holy Father working in the Son of man Jesus.  Jesus not as I will I have no power to raise up but you Holy Father the will with power.   used again to represent one bride the church .In that way as sons of God born again believers have not received thier new incorruptible body a new creation no longer male and female Jew nor Gentile. Christ the husband of one wife .

Whenever where ever two or three gather together under the hearing of the living word. He is there working in each one individually . More than one family can gather together but there is no commandment to gather together.
 
The Hebrew reference referred to families that were divided . When the two 15 ft. high walls used to make the all Jewish men's club exclusive. One to separate the Jewish women from participating in the religions ceremonies and the other gentile from the Jews .

A gospel explosion one like never before or ever agin . Families that were unevenly yoked according to the oral tradition of those lying fathers. Jew mixed with gentile could now gather as one family. Christian the one new nations of all nations 

Hebrews 10 a continuation of the results of the reformation Chapter 9. religious racism disappeared

Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

As far as a sign when asked of dying mankind-- what shall be the sign of the son of man coming in dying flesh and blood be no sign was given other-- than the three day and nights belly of the whale ---heart of the earth . comparing twp parables as one gospel understanding.

Mathew 24--Then the Father gave words to his apostles jess the son of man  and he spoke prophesing the will of the Holy Father 

Having made desolate the abomination of desolation (Mathew 23 )--- Eternal God living in temples made with the hands as a will of dying mankind . Jesus the son of man  walked out . confusing the apostles they desired he take another look a the worldly beauty. . the abomination of desolation .

He moved the parable dialog to the mountain used in that parable to represent all the kingdoms of this world .

Matthew 24:1-4 King James Version And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Again they were looking for a sign using his dying flesh as a hope of the second coming .that was already there because of the reformation .Christ agin reining as King of kings... Holy Father of earthen fathers .  mankind to include Jesus the son of man must be born again .No second coming of the same flesh (reincarnation  .

The crucify him over and over to public shame as if one outward demonstration of the Holy Father Christ working in Jesus the son of man---- born again as the Son of God ----somehow fell short of the glory of God.

One new birth from above is all that is necessary .

Hebrew 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

One three day and night promised demonstration of the Lamb that was slain during the 6 day Christ the Holy Father did  work.

Faithfull God is no two timer .One "let there be" was good enough very good

LOL. . And they lived happily together fore ever more.
 

Whatever!!!

Quote from: 4WD on Tue Nov 18, 2025 - 10:05:50Whatever!!!

Is that like you want nothing to do with the first century reformation and its doctrines?

Quote from: garee on Tue Nov 18, 2025 - 16:44:42Is that like you want nothing to do with the first century reformation and its doctrines?

Not at all.  It is just that so much of your postings are, like the ramblings of the former Vice President, Kamala Harris, little more than word salad.  Maybe others can discern your meanings, but I seldom can understand anything you post. You just post stuff.

Therefore, my response was "Whatever!!"

Quote from: 4WD on Tue Nov 18, 2025 - 04:18:03You do not know that in some locations they may have met in "church" structures.  But the key here is that there is not a single word in the whole of the NT concerning the building or the place where they were to meet.  You have added that concern as a point of order.

Quote from: Reformer on Wed Nov 19, 2025 - 16:11:22

You are absolutely correct that "there is not a single word in the whole of the NT concerning the building or the place where they were to meet."

Yet we have built our idols and spent millions of dollars on them - money that could have been allotted to evangelism and helping the genuinely destitute, the two basic ministries advanced by the early believers.

I would agree that more resources than was necessary, in many instances, have been spent on church buildings.  But that doesn't negate the legitimate value of dedicated places, apart from homes of believers, to meet together.