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or some might even consider he was placed there for a purpose. Was Hillary Clinton a greater danger than even Donald Trump?

I came across a video which I could not believe and yet I am finding it has more truth than I would have imagined.

"Book says Hillary talks to dead"
http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/22/hillary.book/

"Hillary Clinton 'Communes' with the Spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-communes-with-the-spirit-of-eleanor-roosevelt

Hillary was all but set to be elected as President according to the pollsters, the pundits, the newscasts and other news sources, and yet something happened to turn aside what appeared to a unstoppable assured victory. How could it have happened? Was the last minute rise of Donald Trump a diversion of something even more than we knew?

The corruption was well known, but Bill and Hillary's corruption was not the only issue, there was more below the surface...

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/famous_2.htm

Spiritualism and freemasonry, were we in peril even worse than we knew?

Quote from: Hobie on Thu Jan 31, 2019 - 07:48:41
or some might even consider he was placed there for a purpose. Was Hillary Clinton a greater danger than even Donald Trump?

I came across a video which I could not believe and yet I am finding it has more truth than I would have imagined.

"Book says Hillary talks to dead"
http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/22/hillary.book/

"Hillary Clinton 'Communes' with the Spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-communes-with-the-spirit-of-eleanor-roosevelt

Hillary was all but set to be elected as President according to the pollsters, the pundits, the newscasts and other news sources, and yet something happened to turn aside what appeared to a unstoppable assured victory. How could it have happened? Was the last minute rise of Donald Trump a diversion of something even more than we knew?

The corruption was well known, but Bill and Hillary's corruption was not the only issue, there was more below the surface...

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/famous_2.htm

Spiritualism and freemasonry, were we in peril even worse than we knew?

What does all that have to do with the SDA church, their beliefs and their false prophet?

QuoteWhat does all that have to do with the SDA church, their beliefs and their false prophet?

Well, there is the whole issue of the SDA church directly supporting elective abortions since they routinely perform them in their hospitals.  The SDA church is the last organization that should be preaching to anyone else about morals when church money goes directly to murdering unborn children.

Quote from: beam on Thu Jan 31, 2019 - 15:17:37
What does all that have to do with the SDA church, their beliefs and their false prophet?

Who made you Lord of what can be addressed on the SDA thread?

Quote from: Cobalt1959 on Fri Feb 01, 2019 - 00:51:50
Well, there is the whole issue of the SDA church directly supporting elective abortions since they routinely perform them in their hospitals.  The SDA church is the last organization that should be preaching to anyone else about morals when church money goes directly to murdering unborn children.

Do you have any proof that money given as tithe and offerings by church members to the church goes to hospitals performing such? If so, I would like to see it. People in SDA churches should know about this if it is true.

I campaigned hard for Trump in 2 States, donating $1,000's and 100's of hours BECAUSE I felt a call from God to do so.

I would not call it inevitable for that seems easy and secular. I would call the election of President Donald J Trump miraculous and ordained by almighty God.

Well now,  it appears he is ready for another run as doesn't look like the Democrats want to impeach him and all the issues it brings up....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-pelosi-the-biggest-test-awaits-impeach-or-not-impeach/2019/05/25/669c5a88-7eec-11e9-8ede-f4abf521ef17_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.25478fba4f30

Quote from: Hobie on Thu Jan 31, 2019 - 07:48:41
or some might even consider he was placed there for a purpose. Was Hillary Clinton a greater danger than even Donald Trump?

I came across a video which I could not believe and yet I am finding it has more truth than I would have imagined.

"Book says Hillary talks to dead"
http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/22/hillary.book/

"Hillary Clinton 'Communes' with the Spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-communes-with-the-spirit-of-eleanor-roosevelt

Hillary was all but set to be elected as President according to the pollsters, the pundits, the newscasts and other news sources, and yet something happened to turn aside what appeared to a unstoppable assured victory. How could it have happened? Was the last minute rise of Donald Trump a diversion of something even more than we knew?

The corruption was well known, but Bill and Hillary's corruption was not the only issue, there was more below the surface...

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/famous_2.htm

Spiritualism and freemasonry, were we in peril even worse than we knew?

I wish you would post these links in the political forum. Not being an SDA I am uncomfortable commenting on such here.

How is this about the Gospel?

Quote from: piecrust on Mon May 27, 2019 - 19:59:26
How is this about the Gospel?

It isn't but that's okay, feel free to contribute if you please.

Quote from: piecrust on Mon May 27, 2019 - 19:59:26
How is this about the Gospel?

Why is the image of the Beast in the Bible? hmm..

The manipulation of only a two party system, is certainly manageable. It is unquestionably possible that God Himself got involved to slow down the process of fully developing the final beast of biblical prophecy. On the other hand, even the evil one and therefore his chosen institution, understands that slow change creates far less resistance than rapid change. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore, it is far easier to control more mild reactions to slow and subtle change, than radical reaction to quick and radical change. Nevertheless, there is a tipping point no doubt, from which there is no correction or stopping the increasing speed or momentum of change.

It doesn't matter if the right or left, conservatives or liberals, Republicans or Democrats are in charge. The extremes of either may be used to bring about radical change within. Crisis of course always helps speed up the process. Maintaining a sharp division between the two parties short of inciting violence is of course crucial to keeping the sheeple in check, so that each side may feel a sense of victory or accomplishment when their side gets the upper hand for a while. Through this process, one can bring about change slow enough to avoid a bloody violent war, and keep the population believing they played a crucial part in bringing about said change. More like they own it and should back it up, rather than it being forced or coerced upon them which they would likely reject.

Those only who understand the proper context of history in relation to the development of our Declaration of Independence and formation of our Constitution, can properly defend and maintain their original intent. Therefore has there been radical historical revision by the supposed left and right. The right more by silence regarding the history leading up to the formation of this nation, and the left capitalizing upon the same, and changing or reconstructing the perception of our actual history. The book 1984 was a ruse, misdirecting the attention of all toward a book burning evil entity, rather than a historical revisionist evil entity. The former requires radical and speedily enforced change, the latter allows for slow and subtle change. Everyone looking for book banners, rather than history revisionists.

This is where Protestantism has failed, and the Counter Reformation of Catholicism has succeeded. The former dropped the ball in silencing the truth of history in relation to the great battle for religious freedom between Christians, and Catholicism. Religious freedom is the foundation of all other freedoms. This history being removed from the public domain, opened up the reinterpretation of perception regarding the establishment of this nation, and correspondingly the motivations and principles of its development. So now the left openly revises our history, attributing its establishment and development to evil and selfish motives, and the right can do nothing but deny the same being unable to connect its development to the principles of freedom fought for prior to and during its establishment.

One of the main causes of all of the above is ignored by both sides. This once predominantly Protestant nation has been inundated with several mass migrations of Catholics, legal and illegal, over the last two centuries. The leaders of these ever increasing millions of course had no desire to hear or have their followers hear the history of the battle many Christians fought against the papacy for freedom of conscience. They therefore called for, and when their numbers were sufficient to do so, demanded that said history be removed from our public schools. After which they began and continue to remove all possible evidence or reference to said battle from society. This setting the stage for revision and a change of perspective within society which the left took and continues to take advantage of.

The end result of abusive papal rule, is the convulsive rejection of said rule. The papacy is all about supporting huge intrusive government, which accepts and defends her illicit relationship with them. When the word of God was put back into the hands of the people, they rejected papal authority over their lives, and the government they were in bed with. Christians armed with the word of God moved forward unto Reformation and broke away from papal church and state big government. In France where the papacy successfully outlawed Protestantism with the cooperation of the people, the end result was the rejection of God and big government unto atheism. Today in these United States, the Protestant freedoms and principles espoused in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, are under constant attack from the papacy and the child of her political policies when unchecked, atheism. Atheism, as a political entity or intricate part of the same, is a child of the papacy. The convulsive rejection of her big government rule spawned political atheism in France which has spread around the world.

The combined forces of apostate Protestantism which has rejected its past, Roman Catholicism which ever seeks to reestablish the authority it usurped during the past, and the child of that usurped authority, Godless Atheism are destroying the once biblical and Protestant principles this nation was built upon. This is not to mention the rising influence of Islam within our political realm as well. The papacy has been very instrumental in supporting mass migration of Muslims into many a European nation, and with its open border stance as a globalist institution does and will no doubt increasingly support the same here. Islam maintains no separation of church or religion and state, but to the contrary combines the two. Thus the papacy prefers it to secularized government which separates church and state. God alone knows how long our country and Constitution can maintain a government which disallows the final global beast of biblical prophecy. May His will be done.

Quote from: Amo on Sat Sep 14, 2019 - 11:39:08The manipulation of only a two party system, is certainly manageable. It is unquestionably possible that God Himself got involved to slow down the process of fully developing the final beast of biblical prophecy. On the other hand, even the evil one and therefore his chosen institution, understands that slow change creates far less resistance than rapid change. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore, it is far easier to control more mild reactions to slow and subtle change, than radical reaction to quick and radical change. Nevertheless, there is a tipping point no doubt, from which there is no correction or stopping the increasing speed or momentum of change.

It doesn't matter if the right or left, conservatives or liberals, Republicans or Democrats are in charge. The extremes of either may be used to bring about radical change within. Crisis of course always helps speed up the process. Maintaining a sharp division between the two parties short of inciting violence is of course crucial to keeping the sheeple in check, so that each side may feel a sense of victory or accomplishment when their side gets the upper hand for a while. Through this process, one can bring about change slow enough to avoid a bloody violent war, and keep the population believing they played a crucial part in bringing about said change. More like they own it and should back it up, rather than it being forced or coerced upon them which they would likely reject.

Those only who understand the proper context of history in relation to the development of our Declaration of Independence and formation of our Constitution, can properly defend and maintain their original intent. Therefore has there been radical historical revision by the supposed left and right. The right more by silence regarding the history leading up to the formation of this nation, and the left capitalizing upon the same, and changing or reconstructing the perception of our actual history. The book 1984 was a ruse, misdirecting the attention of all toward a book burning evil entity, rather than a historical revisionist evil entity. The former requires radical and speedily enforced change, the latter allows for slow and subtle change. Everyone looking for book banners, rather than history revisionists.

This is where Protestantism has failed, and the Counter Reformation of Catholicism has succeeded. The former dropped the ball in silencing the truth of history in relation to the great battle for religious freedom between Christians, and Catholicism. Religious freedom is the foundation of all other freedoms. This history being removed from the public domain, opened up the reinterpretation of perception regarding the establishment of this nation, and correspondingly the motivations and principles of its development. So now the left openly revises our history, attributing its establishment and development to evil and selfish motives, and the right can do nothing but deny the same being unable to connect its development to the principles of freedom fought for prior to and during its establishment.

One of the main causes of all of the above is ignored by both sides. This once predominantly Protestant nation has been inundated with several mass migrations of Catholics, legal and illegal, over the last two centuries. The leaders of these ever increasing millions of course had no desire to hear or have their followers hear the history of the battle many Christians fought against the papacy for freedom of conscience. They therefore called for, and when their numbers were sufficient to do so, demanded that said history be removed from our public schools. After which they began and continue to remove all possible evidence or reference to said battle from society. This setting the stage for revision and a change of perspective within society which the left took and continues to take advantage of.

The end result of abusive papal rule, is the convulsive rejection of said rule. The papacy is all about supporting huge intrusive government, which accepts and defends her illicit relationship with them. When the word of God was put back into the hands of the people, they rejected papal authority over their lives, and the government they were in bed with. Christians armed with the word of God moved forward unto Reformation and broke away from papal church and state big government. In France where the papacy successfully outlawed Protestantism with the cooperation of the people, the end result was the rejection of God and big government unto atheism. Today in these United States, the Protestant freedoms and principles espoused in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, are under constant attack from the papacy and the child of her political policies when unchecked, atheism. Atheism, as a political entity or intricate part of the same, is a child of the papacy. The convulsive rejection of her big government rule spawned political atheism in France which has spread around the world.

The combined forces of apostate Protestantism which has rejected its past, Roman Catholicism which ever seeks to reestablish the authority it usurped during the past, and the child of that usurped authority, Godless Atheism are destroying the once biblical and Protestant principles this nation was built upon. This is not to mention the rising influence of Islam within our political realm as well. The papacy has been very instrumental in supporting mass migration of Muslims into many a European nation, and with its open border stance as a globalist institution does and will no doubt increasingly support the same here. Islam maintains no separation of church or religion and state, but to the contrary combines the two. Thus the papacy prefers it to secularized government which separates church and state. God alone knows how long our country and Constitution can maintain a government which disallows the final global beast of biblical prophecy. May His will be done.

Well, here we are come full circle and see again the return of Donald Trump as President. So what is happening, well we are seeing the Heglian Dialectic, in which no matter which side takes power, it seems the devil is behind pushing them toward the path he desires. Take a look at this Walter Veith video on the election..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekza3SMwrLU

And the one previously of Trump and "Christian Nationalism"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgCtX7f0Ow

Pro 29:18  Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

This nation became great under the direction and support of a great many people seeking and tending to personal and national reformation in the light of God's word and law. Under the light and vision directed by the word of God these predominantly Protestant peoples produced principles and laws of righteousness, freedom, and liberty. Though they themselves were far from perfect, the guiding influence of God's holy word and law helped them establish our Declaration of Independence, and Constitution. The principles of which provide a healthy, productive, and prosperous vision for any people determined to establish and maintain such.

We simply have not maintained and or guarded our foundational principles. Prosperity and ease once again conditioned people to drop their guard. Reformers stopped reforming and moving forward according to increasing light from holy scripture. Nominal "Christianity" took hold. Floods of people who did not and do not hold the scriptures in highest regard or even at all, migrated into the nation and continue to do so. The vision that made us great, is gone, or simply not held by the majority any longer at all.

Some think they can bring back the conditions which made us great again, among our now ever increasingly mixed multitude. I speak not of racial mix, but of spiritual and visionary mix. We simply are no longer on the same page, of the same book anymore. We cannot reproduce the vision, actions, and cooperation of a people predominantly seeking freedom to live by the dictates of their own consciences regarding specifically the word of God and His laws, among a people who no longer predominantly do so. Nor can it be right at this stage to force the issue.

This nation was largely built by people seeking freedom, religious freedom in particular. Trying to bring the nation back to the Christian principles our forefathers established as such, among a population which no longer has the same vision or respect for holy scripture, will produce the exact opposite effect. It will have to be forced upon many, reproducing the exact type of religio-politcal dominance so many of our forefathers came here to escape. This is not to mention the fact that the predominant religio-political system a great many of our founders were seeking to escape, is now firmly established within our nation through continued mass migrations of Roman Catholics into it. Whose leaders, do not believe in separation of church and state.

Simply put, our nation is now most largely composed of devolved Protestantism or nominal "Christianity, Catholics, and Secular Humanists. Producing a very different mixed and or blurred vision, than that of our founders. Most of whom are not necessarily looking for freedom from anything in particular, but rather to establish their own authority. Not at all the conditions which lead to the principles upon which this nation was founded.

As a matter of fact though, many Christians seeking freedom upon these shores, did then also try to establish their own authority above all. Which efforts could not stand according to their own regard for holy scripture, and or an environment of like minded peers, who could easily note the hypocrisy of such endeavors. The question now remains, can a country whose mixed multitudes no longer look to holy scripture for their vision, maintain the tolerance, freedoms, and liberties established by those who did? According to the prophecies of the holy scriptures themselves, they will not. God though, will ultimately determine when this will transpire. His people of course, should be on guard to fight against all infringements upon our freedoms, as well as the freedoms of others. 

Isa 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. 10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. 11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: 12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: 14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. 15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

What book is sealed among a people who no longer honor God or His word? Who give Him lip service, but remove their hearts far from Him. By placing the precepts and laws of men above those of His word. The holy scriptures of course. They have no vision because they have sealed the vision of the holy book of God by ignoring it, and placing their own supposed wisdom above it. They have become drunk without drinking, having no right understanding, and therefore unable to prosperously lead and or maintain freedom and liberty.

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.


What is the wine and strong drink which makes the priests and prophets err in vision in our own day? What institution is said to be drunk, and give drink to the world in this New Covenant era? Is it not BABYLON THE GREAT?

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Babylon the great, drunk with the illicit power she obtains through her illicit relations with the kings, powerful, and numerous peoples of the earth. Who errs in vision, and leads all the world into error as well, through the intoxicating influence of the wine of her false doctrines applied to and in the politics of this world. Which teach humanity to ignore the precepts and laws of God, in favor of those of men. Namely herself and her leader. The man of lawlessness and sin. Who sets himself up in the temple of God as though he were God. So be it, as God's word has determined. Always leading to the persecution of those who do verily seek to establish God's precepts and laws within their own lives, and the lives of others as well by way of conversion always and only. Never by the forces of earthly legislation.

2 Th 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What does the man of sin do today, but encourage the world to replace a commandment of God, with a commandment of men. To do away with the day God Himself has set aside for humanity to enter into undestracted communion with Him. To do away with the natural and sacred consummation of a man and women created and ordained by God in the garden. First by way of doctrine concerning their own leadership, and then by papal support of homosexuality and LBGTQ and whatever else life styles. To establish legal theft, by the way of the Catholic doctrine of the Universal Destination of Goods, their agenda of the redistribution of wealth, and mass migrations, to name a few methods Rome supports and or basically oversees. All of the above with or without the consent of the people such is being perpetrated against. Not to mention the billions of dollars in tax moneys Rome receives from governments with or without the consent of their people as well. The historical and present account of the Vatican's support of one oppressive mandating authoritative form of government after another, even calling for such government on a global scale themselves. I could go on and on regarding specifics of Rome which contradict the teachings of holy scripture. But I believe my point has been made.

Quote from: PeterEnergy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 - 22:35:13I campaigned hard for Trump in 2 States, donating $1,000's and 100's of hours BECAUSE I felt a call from God to do so.

I would not call it inevitable for that seems easy and secular. I would call the election of President Donald J Trump miraculous and ordained by almighty God.

Well, many are saying that for the bullet sent to his head, but I think there was another power involved.

All roads lead to Rome. History is repeating itself as Holy Scripture predicted. The Roman Republic had a senate that was supposed to represent the people, but became so self serving and manipulative that the people lost confidence in being represented or having any form of justice at all. The Senate became increasingly rich and powerful for all to observe, while they themselves became poorer and increasingly subjugated by their ever increasingly corrupt leaders.

In the end the people were looking for deliverance, and gladly accepted even Emperor worship if it meant one man could make life better for them, with rapid decisions and results. Americans today have been leaning the same way for a while, each side of the isle glad to see their Presidents pass sweeping and rapid changes for their side with ever increasing Executive orders. Our people and government are rapidly shifting toward a power structure which can and does bring far more rapid results for their side. This is of course also due to the self empowering and enriching Congress men and woman they see flourishing while the rest of us are getting poorer and more powerless by the day. Who seemingly accomplish nothing and are viewed more and more as a uni-party of self seeking, enriching, and empowering totally corrupted institution.

The nation is of course rife with those wishing for ever increasing power of decision and action in fewer and fewer hands. As such does produce much more immediate change and effect. But when that change and effect goes bad, it comes about too quickly to stop. Therein lies the danger we face. The nation is becoming ripe for rapid change which cannot be stopped. Which every student of biblical prophecy, understands as a crucial part of establishing the final events of biblical prophecy. God's will be done.