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Quote from: Amo on Fri Sep 06, 2019 - 08:27:42Of course not. God does not lie. Nor does He need to create fairy tales to express truth. Evolution, Not. Genetics, we are far from precisely understanding, accepting among those with exaggerated confidence in our abilities apart fro God.

We directly observe evolution going on all around us.    God does not lie. But we do understand how inheritance works, and how populations change over time. 
 

Quote from: The Barbarian on Yesterday at 11:39:57We directly observe evolution going on all around us.    God does not lie. But we do understand how inheritance works, and how populations change over time.

Yea, I'm not going to go back to a post from 7 years ago to figure out the context of that being discussed at that time, to respond to your above 7 years delayed response.

We do not observe evolution going on all around us. Change is not evolution. It can and does often observably represent de-evolution. Often also observably representing adaptions, which may or may not revert when the conditions requiring adaption disappear. We have never observed the simple to highly complex organisms the theory of evolution purports. We have and do observe extinctions, and the evidences of mass extinctions, to the effect that the opposite of evolution is exactly what has been occurring on this planet for a long time now.

Species are quite apparently disappearing far more rapidly than any kind of theoretical evolutions can keep up with. As we observe even apart from the obvious mass extinctions of the past, several extinctions during our lives, while concurrently observing no increased speciations due to evolutionary processes at all.

God does not have to lie about anything related to the false theory of evolution, since His Holy Scriptures speak nowhere at all about any such thing.

Again, change is not evolution according to the theory. If the theory be true, there must be increased complexity, information required to such complexity, and functionality accordingly. All of which we do not and have not observed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekT6tBXhEoM

Basic Creationist observations.

Quote from: Amo on Yesterday at 18:21:43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekT6tBXhEoM

Basic Creationist observations.

That view of the sedimentary layers is the most ridiculous theory that anyone could possibly conjure up.  He had earthquakes caused by plate tectonics occurring in the 150 days of the flood sending tsunamis back and forth across the earth building up the sedimentary layers seen at various locations. What absolute nonsense. In Arizona, Mt. Humphrey at 12,600 feet the San Fransico Peaks sits on top of those Grand Canyon layers.  Did that get washed up along with all those layers too as the tsunamis swept back and forth across the earth?


Tell me, Amo; is that some of that Holy Scriptures simply stated that you keep talking about?  What a joke.

Quote from: 4WD on Today at 04:12:16That view of the sedimentary layers is the most ridiculous theory that anyone could possibly conjure up.  He had earthquakes caused by plate tectonics occurring in the 150 days of the flood sending tsunamis back and forth across the earth building up the sedimentary layers seen at various locations. What absolute nonsense. In Arizona, Mt. Humphrey at 12,600 feet the San Fransico Peaks sits on top of those Grand Canyon layers.  Did that get washed up along with all those layers too as the tsunamis swept back and forth across the earth?


Tell me, Amo; is that some of that Holy Scriptures simply stated that you keep talking about?  What a joke.

Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; 14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. 16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

The above is what is simply stated in Holy Scripture. All the fountains of the great deep being broken open, sounds a lot like earthquakes to me. The following link is regarding one theory concerning the biblical testimony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9ZGt9UA-U

This theory about that which was not observed by any, is certainly tenable according as Holy Scripture has described the global flood. It is still just a theory though, regarding the evidence which can be observed concerning an event which none have seen. Just like countless other theories developed over time. Moses described what God apparently revealed to him, which a great any theorists reject as an actual event. Including yourself I do believe, regarding it being a global event at least.

Creationist theories are certainly no more of a joke than those of evolutionists or anyone else regarding the unseen events of the past which have left the evidence we all may see or examine presently. They are simply based upon faith in the testimony of Holy Scripture as their foundation, rather than the conjectures or best guesses of fallen humanity. As always, the foundations of any theory, are based upon faith in those who lay the foundations. The proceeding examinations and deductions being performed in order to support or prove these foundations.

Holy Scripture and the global flood account are not jokes. Some people have great faith in them, including many a scientist. Who therefore proceed with their examination of the evidence we all have before us, according to this most trust worthy source and foundation. You and many others simply choose other foundations, and interpret Holy Scripture accordingly, rather than using it as the foundation of your research and attending theories. So be it.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

You are free of course, to show us how the Holy Scriptures support what you believe, over and above that of others.

Quote from: Amo on Today at 08:39:01Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the ground. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the ground forty days and forty nights. 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; 14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the land after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. 16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. 17 And the flood was forty days upon the ground; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the ground. 18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon theground; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the ground; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the ground, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the ground, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the ground: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

The above is what is simply stated in Holy Scripture. All the fountains of the great deep being broken open, sounds a lot like earthquakes to me. The following link is regarding one theory concerning the biblical testimony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9ZGt9UA-U

This theory about that which was not observed by any, is certainly tenable according as Holy Scripture has described the global flood. It is still just a theory though, regarding the evidence which can be observed concerning an event which none have seen. Just like countless other theories developed over time. Moses described what God apparently revealed to him, which a great any theorists reject as an actual event. Including yourself I do believe, regarding it being a global event at least.

Creationist theories are certainly no more of a joke than those of evolutionists or anyone else regarding the unseen events of the past which have left the evidence we all may see or examine presently. They are simply based upon faith in the testimony of Holy Scripture as their foundation, rather than the conjectures or best guesses of fallen humanity. As always, the foundations of any theory, are based upon faith in those who lay the foundations. The proceeding examinations and deductions being performed in order to support or prove these foundations.

Holy Scripture and the global flood account are not jokes. Some people have great faith in them, including many a scientist. Who therefore proceed with their examination of the evidence we all have before us, according to this most trust worthy source and foundation. You and many others simply choose other foundations, and interpret Holy Scripture accordingly, rather than using it as the foundation of your research and attending theories. So be it.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

You are free of course, to show us how the Holy Scriptures support what you believe, over and above that of others.

From Strongs:

H776

אֶרֶץ

'erets

eh'-rets

From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): -    X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.