A SUPERNATURAL WONDER

Reformer · Thu Apr 30, 2026 - 20:52:17

A Supernatural Wonder on top
of a High Mountain

Going back two-thousand years or more, one of the most intriguing and unique wonders occurred when our Lord was transfigured on the top of a high mountain, along with Moses and Elijah [Matt. 17]. Jesus' appearance was refashioned to depict a different form or image of Himself. His appearance was resplendent with divine brightness. What a splendid scene that must have been for Peter, James, and John, the three men who were with him.

"Metamorphosis" is another term to describe that supernatural occasion in that there was a change, a recasting, a new shape, an unusual appearance. As usual, impulsive Peter did it again—blundered! He wanted to "build" something to give special allegiance and recognition to each person in the scene. But no! The God above would have no part of that scenario. "This is my Son, you listen to Him!"

Moses was expected to be adhered to under the Old Law, and Elijah's prophecies were to be weighed for their wisdom and divine accuracy. "But my Son is your new Teacher, Lawgiver, Prophet, Chief Shepherd, and Mediator. Hear Him and heed Him," God said to the three men.

In real life, Elijah did not suffer physical death [2 Kings 2:11]. He was taken up to heaven without the usual "passing away" syndrome experienced by all of us—sooner or later. He appeared with Jesus in his glorified form. Moses, however, had died a physical death hundreds of years prior to this heavenly scene. Yet he appeared with his Lord in a glorified form.

It seems that Moses' transformed or glorified form on this occasion did not consist of terrestrial flesh and blood. His flesh and bones were still in the grave, and the resurrection was yet future. He appeared as a celestial being, not of this earth—a "spiritual anatomy," so to speak. His configuration seemed to have been likened to the Lord's.

So the observations and questions naturally follow. Moses was there in person. The episode was not a vision, not a nightmare, not a movie scene, and not figurative. It was real—as real as real can be. Inasmuch as Moses' earthly flesh and blood was not part of the scene, what other part of him was left? His spirit—the real Moses!

A man's spirit is his essential character, the principal element that drives him to action, his very essence. Remove his spirit—essence—from his body and the body dies. "The body without the spirit is dead" [James 2:26].

Yes, I am very much aware the Hebrew and Greek terms for "spirit" also translate "breath" and "wind." Breath and wind, however, are not the essential character or principal element that drives a man to action or prompts him to produce and achieve. Here's an example. Since we have mentioned Elijah's not having to face biological death, note that before he was taken up into heaven Elisha pleaded with him to "let there be a double portion of your spirit on me" [after you depart]. And it happened! Elijah's inner force or power fell upon Elisha.

What portion of Elijah fell upon Elisha? His spirit. Not his breath, not the wind, not a breeze, but Elijah's inner self, his essential character and force. Hundreds of years after this great prophet was lifted up into heaven, John the Immerser [not "Baptist"] came in the spirit of Elijah—the same essential character and force of the prophet [Matt. 17:12]. John did not come "in the breath" of Elijah. Nor was John "full of wind." Elijah's spirit was the real man. John's spirit resembled Elijah's—not his (Elijah's) breath!

On this subject, it is fascinating that John tells us, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits..." [I John 4:1]. This testing refers to a man's essential character, his real self. Test him, not his breath, to ascertain his validity. But if we translate "spirit" here to mean "breath," we place ourselves in a ridiculous rut. John is not alluding to testing a man's breath for possible halitosis!

Someday our physical bodies, although returned to dust, will be resurrected and transformed to be like our Lord's glorious body [Phil. 3:20]. As our "spirit returns to God who gave it" [Eccl. 12:7], or returns to His control, I can envision it reuniting with our glorious, transformed body when our Lord returns for the final time.

4WD · Fri May 01, 2026 - 07:58:34

Quote from: Reformer on Thu Apr 30, 2026 - 20:52:17Someday our physical bodies, although returned to dust, will be resurrected and transformed to be like our Lord's glorious body [Phil. 3:20]. As our "spirit returns to God who gave it" [Eccl. 12:7], or returns to His control, I can envision it reuniting with our glorious, transformed body when our Lord returns for the final time.

That body will not be a natural [physical] body, but instead it will be a spiritual body 1 Cor 15:44. And such a body has never been seen before (1 John 3:4). So that body will not be like Jesus' body when he was raised from the dead, because many people saw Him after he was raised, including John himself.

We have not a clue of what that spiritual body will be.

garee · Fri May 01, 2026 - 09:26:55

Quote from: 4WD on Fri May 01, 2026 - 07:58:34That body will not be a natural [physical] body, but instead it will be a spiritual body 1 Cor 15:44. And such a body has never been seen before (1 John 3:4). So that body will not be like Jesus' body when he was raised from the dead, because many people saw Him after he was raised, including John himself.

We have not a clue of what that spiritual body will be.

Quote from: Reformer on Thu Apr 30, 2026 - 20:52:17
A Supernatural Wonder on top
of a High Mountain

Going back two-thousand years or more, one of the most intriguing and unique wonders occurred when our Lord was transfigured on the top of a high mountain, along with Moses and Elijah [Matt. 17]. Jesus' appearance was refashioned to depict a different form or image of Himself. His appearance was resplendent with divine brightness. What a splendid scene that must have been for Peter, James, and John, the three men who were with him.

"Metamorphosis" is another term to describe that supernatural occasion in that there was a change, a recasting, a new shape, an unusual appearance. As usual, impulsive Peter did it again—blundered! He wanted to "build" something to give special allegiance and recognition to each person in the scene. But no! The God above would have no part of that scenario. "This is my Son, you listen to Him!"

Moses was expected to be adhered to under the Old Law, and Elijah's prophecies were to be weighed for their wisdom and divine accuracy. "But my Son is your new Teacher, Lawgiver, Prophet, Chief Shepherd, and Mediator. Hear Him and heed Him," God said to the three men.

In real life, Elijah did not suffer physical death [2 Kings 2:11]. He was taken up to heaven without the usual "passing away" syndrome experienced by all of us—sooner or later. He appeared with Jesus in his glorified form. Moses, however, had died a physical death hundreds of years prior to this heavenly scene. Yet he appeared with his Lord in a glorified form.

It seems that Moses' transformed or glorified form on this occasion did not consist of terrestrial flesh and blood. His flesh and bones were still in the grave, and the resurrection was yet future. He appeared as a celestial being, not of this earth—a "spiritual anatomy," so to speak. His configuration seemed to have been likened to the Lord's.

So the observations and questions naturally follow. Moses was there in person. The episode was not a vision, not a nightmare, not a movie scene, and not figurative. It was real—as real as real can be. Inasmuch as Moses' earthly flesh and blood was not part of the scene, what other part of him was left? His spirit—the real Moses!

A man's spirit is his essential character, the principal element that drives him to action, his very essence. Remove his spirit—essence—from his body and the body dies. "The body without the spirit is dead" [James 2:26].

Yes, I am very much aware the Hebrew and Greek terms for "spirit" also translate "breath" and "wind." Breath and wind, however, are not the essential character or principal element that drives a man to action or prompts him to produce and achieve. Here's an example. Since we have mentioned Elijah's not having to face biological death, note that before he was taken up into heaven Elisha pleaded with him to "let there be a double portion of your spirit on me" [after you depart]. And it happened! Elijah's inner force or power fell upon Elisha.

What portion of Elijah fell upon Elisha? His spirit. Not his breath, not the wind, not a breeze, but Elijah's inner self, his essential character and force. Hundreds of years after this great prophet was lifted up into heaven, John the Immerser [not "Baptist"] came in the spirit of Elijah—the same essential character and force of the prophet [Matt. 17:12]. John did not come "in the breath" of Elijah. Nor was John "full of wind." Elijah's spirit was the real man. John's spirit resembled Elijah's—not his (Elijah's) breath!

On this subject, it is fascinating that John tells us, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits..." [I John 4:1]. This testing refers to a man's essential character, his real self. Test him, not his breath, to ascertain his validity. But if we translate "spirit" here to mean "breath," we place ourselves in a ridiculous rut. John is not alluding to testing a man's breath for possible halitosis!

Someday our physical bodies, although returned to dust, will be resurrected and transformed to be like our Lord's glorious body [Phil. 3:20]. As our "spirit returns to God who gave it" [Eccl. 12:7], or returns to His control, I can envision it reuniting with our glorious, transformed body when our Lord returns for the final time.

It would seem you are misreading those parables

Returning to lifeless spiritless dust and hoping in reincarnation (Fleshly)It would reveal literalizing the parable which without Christ spoke not.

The father of lies hates parables they hide the mysteries of Christ's faithfulness

Resurrections two the last the wife of Christ the husband not reincarnation .no more absentee daddy many

4WD · Fri May 01, 2026 - 18:00:27

Quote from: garee on Fri May 01, 2026 - 09:26:55It would seem you are misreading those parables

Returning to lifeless spiritless dust and hoping in reincarnation (Fleshly)It would reveal literalizing the parable which without Christ spoke not.

The father of lies hates parables they hide the mysteries of Christ's faithfulness

Resurrections two the last the wife of Christ the husband not reincarnation .no more absentee daddy many

Again, I cannot make any sense whatsoever about what in the world you are talking about.

Amo · Reply #4 - Re: A SUPERNATURAL WONDER

QuoteIt seems that Moses' transformed or glorified form on this occasion did not consist of terrestrial flesh and blood. His flesh and bones were still in the grave, and the resurrection was yet future. He appeared as a celestial being, not of this earth—a "spiritual anatomy," so to speak. His configuration seemed to have been likened to the Lord's.

This is where your quoted article goes wrong.

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Why do you think the devil was arguing with the archangel about Moses' body? Why would the archangel be wanting Moses' body?

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

It is the voice of the archangel which raises the dead. The devil was arguing with the archangel over the resurrection of Moses. What else would they be arguing about Moses' body for. The Lord took it back. Therefore could Moses appear with our Lord at the transfiguration, he had been resurrected and brought to heaven, which the devil argued with God about. I still do wonder how the apostles present knew that the two individuals with our Lord were Moses and Elijah. Surely they did not know what they looked like. Must be something about our new spiritual bodies.

Amo · Reply #5 - Re: A SUPERNATURAL WONDER

Quote from: 4WD on Fri May 01, 2026 - 07:58:34That body will not be a natural [physical] body, but instead it will be a spiritual body 1 Cor 15:44. And such a body has never been seen before (1 John 3:4). So that body will not be like Jesus' body when he was raised from the dead, because many people saw Him after he was raised, including John himself.

We have not a clue of what that spiritual body will be.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

It is not possible that after our Lord's resurrection, He was still of our natural bodies. This is not the way of the resurrection described above. He was of His spiritual body, though apparently veiled for the apostles to see and recognize.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The world was created by THE WORD OF GOD, and it will be destroyed also by THE WORD OF GOD.

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

He shall speak, and it shall be undone, He shall command, and it shall be destroyed.

garee · Reply #6 - Re: A SUPERNATURAL WONDER

Quote from: Amo on Yesterday at 12:02:34It is not possible that after our Lord's resurrection, He was still of our natural bodies. This is not the way of the resurrection described above. He was of His spiritual body, though apparently veiled for the apostles to see and recognize.

1) Not a return to earthly systems (reincarnation)

The two resurrections is not about: recreating earthly roles (status, hierarchy, titles)multiplying mediatorsor continuing the same mortal pattern

Gospel of Matthew 22:30"In the resurrection they neither marry... but are like the messenger from heaven."

That means: no continuation of earthly structures no "his and hers gods " systems carried forward

2) It is related—but transformed It's not unrelated to earthly life—it's the fulfillment of it.

First Epistle to the Corinthians 15:49" As we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image( not likeness) of the man of heaven."

So: Earthly life = seed----------Resurrection = harvest

Same identity—new nature

3) One mediator remain about "legions" of mediators is answered directly:

First Epistle to Timothy 2:5"One God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

That doesn't multiply in the resurrection. It becomes clearer.

4) What replaces "earthly images" Not idols. Not systems. Direct life with God.

First Epistle of John 3:2"We shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

That's the goal: not imitation (reincarnation) of man but transformation into our husband Christ's likeness

5) The clean answer to your question

"If not earthly—then what?"

Answer:

Not earthly repetition
Not multiplied mediators
Not idol-like systems

But:

Transformation (1 Cor 15)
Direct relationship (1 Tim 2:5)
Likeness to Christ (1 John 3:2)
Final (your style)

Not dust repeated.
Not images multiplied.

From image → to likeness.
From shadow → to reality.
From many voices → to One.

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