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Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Quote from: pppp on Wed Oct 21, 2026 - 15:30:00Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

In your opinion when will or has this already happened?

Quote from: Rella on Yesterday at 06:10:17In your opinion when will or has this already happened?

It began at the first century reformation (Hebrew 9) all of the old testament ceremonial laws as shadows became sight And Christ set up one new to represent the new testament era The hair covering and lords supper bread and blood of grapes Jesus the son of man the apostle is Michael announcing to the world a question "Who is like God?" (no man) working with other apostle as messengers that some call angels a fake word . sounds like the Greek messenger Angelos but leads in a different conclusion  some would call venerable ones And not just men sent on a errant  with the written will of another

Thank you garee for your reply.
In Revelation 12:7-9, Archangel Saint Michael,
drove Satan out from Heaven along with his dark beings.
And Satan was thrown down & he came to cause chaos on the earth.
And to lead people away from God & p*rsecute those who were faithful to Christ.
Satan also wanted that people who went astray should never return to Christ,
but Christ through His sacrifice & resurrection, saved humanity from the power of ungodliness, death, and Satan.

Hebrews 9:11-12
The Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

And Our loving Saviour will come a Second time to bring complete salvation to all those who wait for him.
Hebrews 9:28
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Thank you Rella for your reply.
This event has already happened acc., to Scripture.
It could have happened from a time that was before the birth of Blessed Christ, then after He was born, & till a time when later... after Christ had Ascended.

Christ through His sacrifice & resurrection, saved humanity from the power of ungodliness, death, and Satan
& Our loving Saviour will come a Second time to bring complete salvation to all those who wait for him.

Revelation 12
5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who "will rule all the nations with an iron scepter." And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

But though this event has already happened acc., to Scripture, but if you read the verses .....
 ''6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.''
It could also mean that in the future Satan will wage conflict against the chosen people of God & He will take His people into the wilderness where they may be taken care of for 1,260 days.

''The Woman '' refers to Mother Mary.
And Mother Mary may also represent God's chosen people (the children of Jacob),
& it means that Satan will wage conflict against God's chosen people & God will take His people into the wilderness where they will be taken care of for 1,260 days.

Then the verses state that .... 12 ''Therefore rejoice, you heavens
    and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short."
Revelation 12


This means that later, as given in, (Revelation 12;12), when Satan wages conflict against the children of God,
 Christ will come again & throw the antichrist & the false teacher into the lake of fire.
Then Christ will later, throw Satan,  into the lake of fire, as the final judgement.

Revelation 12;13-17
''13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.''

Then the verse states...
''14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. ''

This shows that God will help His chosen children to escape from Satan.


If you see the verse  ''17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.''

This shows that the dragon or Satan,
will later wage conflict against those who believe in Christ,
who are faithful to Him & who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

But Christ will come again, to defeat Satan & redeem His people.
Amen.

So do not fear, for I am with you;
do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you and help you;
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
Isaiah 41:10   

But those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
Isaiah 40:31


Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1 Corinthians 8:6