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Communion Time

Started by spurly, Sun Dec 15, 2002 - 13:51:04

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Why not just drop the communion out of the "worship service" and have it during a fellowship meal after the said service.  To make sure proper respect is shown, during the meal everyone stops eating and only then pray and pass the emblems around.

spurly

Another way that I have seen a communion service conducted that I really liked was based on Matthew 5.

The minister invited anyone who had something that needed to ask to be forgiven for to go to the person they offended before they took communion.  (The leave your gift at the altar and go be reconciled to your brother idea).  They were to ask that person to forgive them and then take communion together.

I was a visitor at the church, but it was incredible to see the body forgiving each other based on the forgiveness they had in Christ.

Kevin

WileyClarkson

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Set up tables around the room and have different leaders reenact the last supper.
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How about expanding on this a little.  Each table would be set up in a Passover fashion.  The leaders would then teach about the Passover in simple terms, then proceed into the Communion as Jesus would have initiated it and explain the Jewish understanding of each element along with the associated modern day symbolism while celebrating the Communion together.

Here is another suggestion:  As practiced at Stream:

on Sat during Stream:  A special Communion:
a number of things occure to set the appropriate state of mind (singing, video, speaking).  Then elders from the Golf Course Road Church of Christ are set in key places around the auditorium with communion tables.  The Stream Participants then one by one take communion directly from two elders--one for the bread and one the cup.  They speak to each participant individually.

For morning worship on Sunday Morning during Stream :
As you enter the building you pick up a communion packet.  It is a small sealed cup of grape jusice with a cracker sealed on top of the cup seal.  At the appropriate time, everyone will participate in each element, simultaneously. (This is the way I was raised to participate in communion--except the elements were passed and held until all took it at one time).

spurly

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (B. H. @ Dec. 15 2002,1:51)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Why not just drop the communion out of the "worship service" and have it during a fellowship meal after the said service.  To make sure proper respect is shown, during the meal everyone stops eating and only then pray and pass the emblems around.[/quote]
B.H.

I think that would be a great idea.  And maybe explain that in the first church the Sacrifice of Christ was often remembered during a common meal.

Thanks,

Kevin

Rocketman

I've enjoyed reading the communion discussions even though I have not posted in a while.  

I just wanted to relay an experience I had recently.  There is a group from our congregation that prays/fasts for our elders routinely as we are in a period of transition.  A couple weeks ago this group had a meal in one of the members homes, there were about 8-10 of us there and at the end of the meal we had communion.  The way we did it was, we started with the bread and passed them to the next person and each made comments either about Jesus, what he means to us, what that person means to us or whatever you felt compelled to say.  We then passed the cup(s actually).  It was one of the most meaningful experiences I have had.  Probably the closest to true communion in my view.  
RM
PS This was on a Friday night, so I'm sure some would think it incorrect, but frankly I dont think God was in heaven saying, "I wish they'd quit remembering Jesus."

seekr

Rocketman

Yes, that is what communion should be and how beautiful that you were there to see how it should be.

seekr

seekr

Great .02 cents, dgdodd

seekr

spurly

For as long as I can remember, the churches I have attended have all observed the Lord's Supper by having a gentleman pray up front, and maybe give a short meditation.  Then other gentlemen walk down the aisles passing trays with little pieces of bread or a cracker type bread that we broke off, and juice.  Everyone takes of the elements (either individually or in unison), and communion time is over.

I would like to ask the same question about our methods for observing the Lord's Supper as I asked about our methods for conducting an invitation at the end of the service.  

Are there other ways that would be more effective in getting people to remember the Christ who saved them, which is what communion is all about.

What if your church offered these various types of communion services:

Place the emblems on tables around the perimeter of the auditorium.  Then have people go to those tables and partake with the others who went to that table.  While they are partaking, they sing a song about Christ or read some Scriptures from the gospels to remember our Savior.  As each table is done, they return to their seat.

Have everyone go up to the front of the church and take a piece of bread and dip it into a chalice of grape juice or wine as the person at the front holding the chalice encourages them to remember Jesus.

Have each couple of pews form a circle and as they pass the emblems around amongst themselves have them share their favorite story about Christ.

Same as above, except have the participants tell the others in their small group about the day they experienced God's grace for the first time; what Christ has done for them in the past week; their favorite miracle of Christ, etc.

As people are passing the trays to each other, have them simply tell the person next to them, "Jesus Loves you and gave himself up so that you could live".

Have everyone go up to a cross, which is situated at the front of the room or in various places around the room, and pick up their emblems and partake with this visual reminder of Christ's sacrifice.

Show a video of the crucifixion of Christ and ask people to partake sometime while that video is playing.

Set up tables around the room and have different leaders reenact the last supper.

Are there other creative methods you can think of to help us remember the Christ who died so we could live?  Have you participated in any communion services that were especially meaningful?  Please post what that experience was like so we can all learn from it.

Kevin

Arkstfan

Our young plant congregation has done each of your suggestions except the last (well we didn't dip the bread). I think it is vital to do these things to keeping communion from being merely a somber ritual.

david johnson

spurly:

this last one you mentioned is real good.  the others don't seem any better than the usual method, just different.

dj

pdwblw

At the suggestion of someone in the congregation we all gathered in the front pews (small church) and took communion together.  Later this was expanded to include prayer requests and praying together after communion.
Patrick

I found this the other day while looking thru the index of authors at www.religion-on-line.  WW expresses my thoughts very well ----


Communion as a Culinary Art

by William Willimon

Dr. Willimon, a Century editor at large, is minister to the university and professor of the practice of Christian ministry at Duke University, Durham, North Carolina. This article appeared in the Christian Century September 21, 1977, p. 829. Copyright by the Christian Century Foundation and used by permission.

    Recently Aidan Kavanagh, O.S.B., professor of liturgy at Yale divinity school and sometime gourmand, commented that "the church will not recover the Eucharist as its central act of worship until we recover our ability to eat well." As one who is in a continual lovers quarrel with my own Methodist liturgical tradition, I think I know what Kavanagh is referring to. Having been nurtured on a lifetime of Methodist teetotaling, Welch's-grape-juice holy communions, having gone to the Lord's table only to find a meager repast of stamped wafers, compressed cubes or dried pellets, I know what it is to hunger and thirst and yet be sent away empty. Unfortunately, too many holy communions are more expressions of holy hygiene (with their disposable, individual, antiseptic plastic cups) and sanctified sobriety (with their lock-step directions from officious ushers and nervous ministers) than of the worship of God. We invite people to come to the Bridegroom's feast and then treat them to a weight-watcher's fast!

I

    How will we eat and drink with Jesus until we recover our ability to eat and enjoy not only the Lord's Supper but all other meals as well? That question is confronted in Robert F. Capon's delightful Supper of the Lamb (Doubleday, 1969). Between outrageous directions for such culinary concoctions as tripe Nicoise, Cuban bread, sweet martini, and just plain pot roast, Capon reflects upon the divine gifts of food and drink and humanity's divinely given commission to eat, drink and be merry. There is not much wrong with us, Capon would argue, that can't be cured by a sniff of roast lamb or a stint in the kitchen baking bread. And if these two culinary delights don't coax us into ecstasy, we are probably too far gone in body and soul for resuscitation by any means.

    One of the greatest challenges to the Christian faith in recent years may well be the widespread notion that food is a necessary evil, an invitation to addiction, a source of carnal lust that must be curbed at all costs. Dr. Atkins, Dr. Stillman and their colleagues, with their all-meat, all-rice, all-water, all-pills ventures in masochism, are subverting our God-given inheritance. A new religion has arisen in our midst -- the cult of the diet, with its shopping-center temples masquerading as "health spas" and "reducing salons," where devotees abuse themselves for the goddess of leanness and shapeliness. Have you talked with a member of Weight Watchers lately? An examination of Weight Watchers' ritualistic weighing and preparing of food, the detailed rubrics for eating, the confessions of sin while standing on the bathroom scales, and the testimonies of salvation at weekly meetings, suggests that we may have a new religion on our hands.

    In close competition with the dietists for our religious affections are the health-food sects with their cult of wheat germ, yogurt and "organic foods" (show me a digestible food that is not "organic"). I for one am not happy eating sprouts of any kind, nor am I happy paying for "organically grown" food (i.e., grown in manure rather than fertilizer) double what the same item costs in my neighborhood supermarket. Anyway, why are all the people who work in my local health food store so unhealthy looking if their "natural" condiments are able to produce such dramatic results? As Nietzsche said to certain Christians, "You will have to look more redeemed if I am to believe in your redeemer."

    As a Christian, I am compelled to take seriously the fact that, when Jesus came to the end of his earthly ministry, when he gathered in the Upper Room and tried to show that dozen half-hearted, half-understanding disciples what it had all been about, he showed them in a meal. "Eat this bread; it is my body," he said. "Drink this wine; it is my blood." That was all he needed to say. It was all still a mystery, but it was a mystery which they now, in the eating and drinking, became part of. Nobody knew what redemption, grace, reconciliation or salvation meant. Everybody knew what it meant to eat. Precisely.

II

    Now that we have spent much time arguing over what Jesus said, believed, taught and meant, and who Jesus was, let us now get back to basics and talk about the significance of how Jesus ate. Perhaps Luke tells it best: scandalous meals with Pharisees and tax collectors, table talk with sinners and saints, feeding the 5,000, a final meal with disciples who did not understand, a resurrection meal with disciples who were beginning to see the light. The Pharisees' charge that Jesus was a "wine drinker and glutton who eats with tax collectors and sinners" (Luke 7:34) is well documented. And who can forget the stories about meals: the Great Banquet at which the outsiders become insiders, the big bash which the father threw for the prodigal son when he returned home?

    And as for the church, the miracle of Pentecost was not so much that people could speak in strange tongues as that diverse people of many races and nations could sit down and eat together (Acts 2:42). The first charge against which the Christians had to defend themselves was not that their theology was bad but that they were drunk (Acts 2:13). They were drunk -- but not with wine. They were drunk with the dizzying vision of what happens to people who feed together at the Lord's table. In fact, as Paul told that contentious crowd at First Church, Corinth, the mark of a real church is when all of you strangers can eat and drink together as members of the Body of Christ (I Cor. 11:27 f.).

    I detect a subtle Manichaeistic dualism in our insipid, dietetic meals -- sacred and secular. Jesus, good Jew that he was, did not just save the soul; he also healed, touched and fed the body as well. For the ancient Jew, every meal was full of deep significance. The Lord's Supper, so scandalously earthly and corporeal, is good Jewish ballast to offset some of our Christian pneumatological and eschatological excesses. It reminds us that we survive only because of the gifts of a gracious God. It reminds us that we live and grow only because of the creation of gracious farmers, bakers, farm workers and others whom we so easily take for granted. If Jesus could have said it, he wouldn't have served it to us as bread and wine. And if we could feed on that, we wouldn't be debating what true "Eucharist" means.

III

    Wafers and pellets that look more like fish food than bread of the world will not do. Grape juice with too much water and too little spirit will not do. What is more basic and symbolic than bread? What is more joyous and sad than wine? And yet, bread and wine, like all human creations, are ambiguous gifts. In a world where one-third of humanity is starving or close to starving, do we Americans need to be reminded of the demonic nature of selfish, egocentric gluttony? (Christians have an age-old answer for the sin of overconsumption, and it is called fasting.) And do we pastors, who so frequently encounter the human ravages of alcohol, need to be lectured on the evils of drink in a lonely and desecrated world?

    Against my own abstaining Methodist forebears I would argue (and I think John Wesley would back me up on this) that wine is necessary at the Lord's Supper not only because it is obviously related to the full range of biblical imagery of the "fruit of the vine" and the "spirit" but also because it is a symbol of humanity's creative and demonic potential. We sometimes use God's gifts in a way that makes them humanity's curses. What is more blessed than fine wine at a good meal? What is more destructive than addiction and Dionysian submission to wine when it is used in inhumane, unredeemed ways? For the Christian, all foods are good and clean, not only because they are gifts of God but also because these ambiguous human creations have meaning only under the name and blessing of Christ.

    Away with these docetic diets and natural-food fetishes! Before we Big-Mac and TV-dinner ourselves to death, give us bread: large, hearty loaves of it that taste like "the bread of life." Give us wine: dark, blood-red cups of it so that our sagging hearts are gladdened and the gospel feast can continue. Only as Christians are nourished, sustained, kneaded and fermented will we be able to rise to the needs of a hungry world whose spiritual and physical hungers require something more than fried chicken from the Colonel.

    We may have to start teaching cooking classes in our seminaries. Only as we ministers rediscover the joy of inviting people to a bountiful table which we have helped prepare will we be able truly to invite people to the Feast which Christ prepares. Isaiah cried to the poor, "Come and be filled." Jesus gave the invitation to "feed on me" and then the command to "feed my lambs." We are still awaiting an ecclesiastical Julia Child who can set the Lord's table in proper fashion and with a eucharistic "Bon appétit" invite God's hungry people to come and be filled.

spurly

Dan,

Are you trying to say that we turn the Lord's Supper into a real supper? And include wine?  How dare you? :D  :p

Kevin

janine

What day of the week did that Passover fall on, the night He was betrayed?

dgdodd

Please allow me to think aloud concerning the observance of the "Lord's Supper.

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