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I don't get it.

Started by MyrtleBeach, Wed Mar 22, 2006 - 18:15:07

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Jaime

Your welcome Petey.

Have a good weekend. I have been working in Brownwood, Tx all week, and I'm packing up to drive back to the "Tall City" (Midland). Hope the dust isn't blowing this week!  ::smile::

Blessings,
Jaime

PS - yes, it is a small world!   ::nodding:: (and really flat out here)

Petey

Quote from: Jaime on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 12:09:39
Your welcome Petey.

Have a good weekend. I have been working in Brownwood, Tx all week, and I'm packing up to drive back to the "Tall City" (Midland). Hope the dust isn't blowing this week!  ::smile::

Blessings,
Jaime

Be safe and I do remember the dust!
Petey

Petey

Quote from: unionstcoc on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 11:52:50
Quote from: Jaime on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 11:43:19
Petey,

It is a question that Billy Graham asked in one of his sermons. You can't see the wind, but you can see the effects of the wind. You know it exists because you see the results of the wind. I am a very analytical person, an engineer specifically. I believe there is a God because his creation screams the evidence of his hand.

I apologize at the my effort of throwing 2nd hand snippets at you; however, I would like to recommend a book to you that really helped quell any of my persistant doubts:

        A Case for a Creator - by Lee Stroebel

Mr. Stroebel was an atheist and wanted to systematically prove that God does not exist. I'll leave the rest to your reading if that interests you. You are a very articulate guy and the fact that you are here on this board says to me that you are open to giving the opposing view a chance.

Thank you for cordial responses,

Jaime

PS, yes I am a Red Raider (Class of 1975) Construction Engineering Technology. I have lived in Midland for 22 years. Grew up in Shallowater 8 miles NW of Lubbock.


Dear Jaime,

Very good post.  I think Petey will like it very much.

Your right, Petey is a very cordial person, I am enjoying these two threads.

God Bless
Ken Mathews

Guys,
I was at books-a-million this evening and found a couple of books by Strobel but not that one.  I'll find it soon maybe Amazon.
Petey

janine

Quote from: Petey on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 07:52:58
Quote from: DCR on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 06:45:06
Quote from: Petey on Thu Oct 12, 2006 - 21:18:47Sounds good but I know God does not exist. 

How do you know God does not exist?

For the same reasons you know Santa Claus does not exist.  If I was to start a list it would take me weeks to complete.
Petey
Lord have mercy.
How do you know Santa Claus doesn't exist?

DCR

Petey,

If you saw the one The Case for Christ, that is another very good read.

zoonance

Believing in God is not really all that hard.  The alternative of pure chance is too fantastic for an engineer to believe.  Deducing which one He is from a multitude of religious thought is a wee bit more difficult.  I have always been somewhat envious of engineers.  They see things I can't always see.

Jaime

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Quote from: Petey on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 21:31:03
Quote from: unionstcoc on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 11:52:50
Quote from: Jaime on Fri Oct 13, 2006 - 11:43:19
Petey,

It is a question that Billy Graham asked in one of his sermons. You can't see the wind, but you can see the effects of the wind. You know it exists because you see the results of the wind. I am a very analytical person, an engineer specifically. I believe there is a God because his creation screams the evidence of his hand.

I apologize at the my effort of throwing 2nd hand snippets at you; however, I would like to recommend a book to you that really helped quell any of my persistant doubts:

        A Case for a Creator - by Lee Stroebel

Mr. Stroebel was an atheist and wanted to systematically prove that God does not exist. I'll leave the rest to your reading if that interests you. You are a very articulate guy and the fact that you are here on this board says to me that you are open to giving the opposing view a chance.

Thank you for cordial responses,

Jaime

PS, yes I am a Red Raider (Class of 1975) Construction Engineering Technology. I have lived in Midland for 22 years. Grew up in Shallowater 8 miles NW of Lubbock.


Dear Jaime,

Very good post.  I think Petey will like it very much.

Your right, Petey is a very cordial person, I am enjoying these two threads.

God Bless
Ken Mathews

Guys,
I was at books-a-million this evening and found a couple of books by Strobel but not that one.  I'll find it soon maybe Amazon.
Petey

Petey, I hope you find it. The following link is a short blurb about it:

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1222

Blessings,
Jaime

memmy

I've read The Case For Faith, by Lee Strobel as well.

It is fantastic!

Petey

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Oct 14, 2006 - 19:11:11

Petey, I hope you find it. The following link is a short blurb about it:

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1222

Blessings,
Jaime
Thanks Jaime,
I found Strobels website too.  I only glanced at it but it looks interesting.
Petey

Petey

Quote from: DCR on Sat Oct 14, 2006 - 00:05:24
Petey,

If you saw the one The Case for Christ, that is another very good read.
Thanks DCR but that one wasn't there either.  I'll find it though.
Petey

Petey

Quote from: zoonance on Sat Oct 14, 2006 - 17:40:49
Believing in God is not really all that hard.  The alternative of pure chance is too fantastic for an engineer to believe.  Deducing which one He is from a multitude of religious thought is a wee bit more difficult.  I have always been somewhat envious of engineers.  They see things I can't always see.

Hi zoonance,

Believing in God is very hard for me and it's not that I don't want to believe!  My youngest son (12) was killed in a car accident two years ago...  Believe me, I'd love to believe he's an angel in heaven right now but I can't change my beliefs just out of convenience.  It's not just that there's zero hard scientific evidence for God but his existance would actually contravene everything we know about the universe.  I can't believe in a being that breaks all the physical laws that the rest of the universe must follow.

Pure chance is exactly why we're here exchanging e-mails.  What are the odds that a planet with water is orbiting a sun so that the water exists in a liquid form?  Zero?  Hardly.  What are the chances that a simple replicating molecule formed on the planet?  Zero?  Not quite.  Can you imagine how long one thousand million years is?  I can't.  It boggles my mind but that's probably how long it took for that simple molecule to appear.

Just for fun, here's a little exercise in logic and the concept of infinity.  In fact, taken to it's ultimate conclusion it indicates that God must exist.  First I'm sure you know infinite means never ending.  If the universe is infinite in time and space it will contain an infinite number of anything you can imagine.  An infinite number of suns, planets, civilizations and gods.  Even very specific things are infinite.  Say you have a favorite pet dog Rover and you wanted another exact Rover.  Just start looking in the infinite universe infinitely and you will find another group of elements that is Rover.  You want another Rover then keep looking till you find one.  Do you grasp this concept?  If the possibility of something existing is non-zero and the universe is infinite then it will contain an infinite number of the non-zero something!  If the possibility of God existing is non-zero then in an infinite universe there will exist an infinite number of gods!  Before you get too excited there are two problems with an infinite number of gods.  First we don't know if the universe is infinite and second nothing can exist in the universe that doesn't follow the physical laws of the universe.  Like I said it's just an exercise in logic and infinity.
Petey


normfromga

Quote from: Petey on Sun Oct 15, 2006 - 09:12:28
Quote from: Jaime on Sat Oct 14, 2006 - 19:11:11

Petey, I hope you find it. The following link is a short blurb about it:

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1222

Blessings,
Jaime
Thanks Jaime,
I found Strobels website too.  I only glanced at it but it looks interesting.
Petey
Apparently there were several editions that came out. Here is a list of the books, with places that they can be bought new or used.

HRoberson

Methinks Petey is trying too hard.

kalen

Thought I'd share this -- very well done:

"The Watchmaker":
http://www.kids4truth.com/watchmaker/watch.html

janine

Ah -- but you see, that's the very stuff that proves the total logic of God.

God is infinite -- no need to postulate bunches of Gods.  There's only the One -- of such unimaginable infinite-ness that all exists within Him.

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