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     I am posting below a tract by the late Batsell Barrett Baxter, "A Dangerous Doctrine

Following is Part 2 of "A Dangerous Doctrine", by Batsell Barrett Baxter...

                                   


                                         Both Church and State
                                                    (Part 2)

     The Roman Catholic Church is more than a church; it is a state.  It is a sovereign power, having legislative, executive, judicial powers, including the power of coercion.  The Catholic state has a full civil government with a flag, police force, courts and postage stamps.  Currencies, in the form of gold and silver coins, bearing the effigy of the Pope, are issued and some five hundred national citizens use Vatican passports when they wish to travel.  The Roman Catholic Church  - operating as a State  -  sends ambassadors to fifty-two different nations and invites ambassadors from other nations, including our own, to be sent to it.
     Ostheimer and Delaney, in their book, Christian Principles and National Problems, with the imprimatur of Cardinal Spellman, on page 898 put it this way: "The doctrine of the Church...is that the State must profess and promote not any religion, but the one true form of worship founded by Christ and continued today in the Catholic Church alone.  Such a public profession...will bring the State into some relation with Catholicism, the only complete expression of God's revealed truth.  As an ideal, then, Church and State should be united in their efforts.

I have no doubt that if any religious group (including fundamentalist Christians) had enough power in this country, we would not enjoy as much freedom as we do today.  No doubt whatsoever.

Quote from: mistergus on Mon Oct 15, 2007 - 15:42:00
    I am posting below a tract by the late Batsell Barrett Baxter, “A Dangerous Doctrine”.  It lays out in undeniable form that the religious freedom we enjoy in America will be lost if the Roman Catholic Church ever becomes a majority in this country.  Although we hear much regarding the threats to our way of life from Muslim extremists, the truth is, they are nowhere near the danger to us that the Roman Catholic Church is.

Mistergus, I understand why you think what you stated above is true, but what you think is absolutely wrong.  To even suggest that the Catholic Church is more dangerous than Muslim extremists is outrageous.

Quote from: spurly on Mon Oct 15, 2007 - 16:30:53

Quote from: mistergus on Mon Oct 15, 2007 - 15:42:00
    I am posting below a tract by the late Batsell Barrett Baxter, "A Dangerous Doctrine

Quote from: don has a plan on Mon Oct 15, 2007 - 16:20:59
I have no doubt that if any religious group (including fundamentalist Christians) had enough power in this country, we would not enjoy as much freedom as we do today.  No doubt whatsoever.

No doubt you are correct.  Human nature being what it is, this could come to pass.  But there's a difference.

This is what the Roman Catholic Church is planning.  It is their determined intention.  They have layed out this course of action ahead of time.

It's one thing to fall into evil.  But to plan it out, as official policy...I know no other major denomination that has done that.

And I doubt you do, either.

Robert G

Radical Islam has.

Quote from: mistergus on Mon Oct 15, 2007 - 17:52:50

Quote from: don has a plan on Mon Oct 15, 2007 - 16:20:59
I have no doubt that if any religious group (including fundamentalist Christians) had enough power in this country, we would not enjoy as much freedom as we do today.  No doubt whatsoever.

No doubt you are correct.  Human nature being what it is, this could come to pass.  But there's a difference.

This is what the Roman Catholic Church is planning.  It is their determined intention.  They have layed out this course of action ahead of time.

It's one thing to fall into evil.  But to plan it out, as official policy...I know no other major denomination that has done that.

And I doubt you do, either.

Robert G

Seriously, the Catholics are a big threat.  I mean certainly we have all heard about how they have threatened the Republican party that if they didn't pick a candidate that the Catholics wanted then they would recruit their own third-party candidate.

Oh wait, that's right, it's not the Catholic church that did that is it?

QuoteMany groups hold secret some of their more explosive tenants.  How many Mormons know their Church believes the Garden of Eden was in Joplin, MO?

I've been to Joplin, and it ain't there!

The Garden of Eden was somewhere near the Texas/New Mexico border.  Every sign of it ever existing has been completely blotted out.  At least that's the only explanation I can come up with for that part of the country....

Quote from: mistergus on Mon Oct 15, 2007 - 17:48:03
It is true in the sense that the Roman Catholic Church is in a much better position to obtain control in this country than the Muslims likely ever will be.

The Catholic Church is not the bigger threat because of the violence they would inflict (no accusation of that), but because the possibly of their gaining control is much more plausible.

So yes, the Roman Catholic Church is a more real and present danger than Muslim extremists are.

Robert G

Oh my.  Only one legitimate response to this...

Of course some of the more prominant Catholics in Congress and the Senate are liberal democrats who are 180 degrees out from official Catholic teaching (i.e. abortion).

I've often wondered    if Catholicism is what has been responsible for the cause of third world countries being the way they are.     
I wonder if Catholicism churns out blind followers over time so that there are large groups of peoples looking for any government in which to put their trust. 

Actually, some of the major contributors to the problems in the Middle East are the results of the 1919 Paris Peace Conference.  This absolutely ludicrous plan gave rise, in large measure, to Arab Nationalism which subsequently gave rise to Islamic Totalitarianism.  We can blame Wilson, George, and Clemenceau, mostly the latter two.

Quote from: churchmember on Wed Oct 24, 2007 - 15:22:44
I've often wondered    if Catholicism is what has been responsible for the cause of third world countries being the way they are.    
I wonder if Catholicism churns out blind followers over time so that there are large groups of peoples looking for any government in which to put their trust. 

I don't know, but in those "Christian" countries where illiteracy is the highest (specifically, Central and South America), the Roman Catholic Church is by far the most dominate.  Accident?  I doubt it.

Robert G

I hate, hate Catholicism.  Then again, I hate more or less ALL organized religion.  But Catholicism is really an exception. 

Quote from: NarrowWay on Wed Oct 24, 2007 - 18:43:30
I hate, hate Catholicism.  Then again, I hate more or less ALL organized religion.  But Catholicism is really an exception. 

why would you hate what God called for us to do. Organized religion. Do not forsake the assembling of the brotheren.

so now the catholics are the enemy and not satan? and if the catholics say the lutherins are the bad guys, then who is? this is all nonsense.

For those who notice a missing phrase, consigning another believer to the pit of Hell in no uncertain terms is still against board rules.  Thank you. 

Quote from: NarrowWay on Wed Oct 24, 2007 - 18:43:30
I hate, hate Catholicism.  Then again, I hate more or less ALL organized religion.  But Catholicism is really an exception. 

Well, many people do hate that which they fear or do not understand.  As a Catholic, I can say with certainty that I do not hate my Protestant brethren.

Quote from: OkiMar on Wed Oct 24, 2007 - 14:54:09
Of course some of the more prominant Catholics in Congress and the Senate are liberal democrats who are 180 degrees out from official Catholic teaching (i.e. abortion).

Excellent point.  Don't think that bodes well for the Church taking over the world...

Quote from: churchmember on Wed Oct 24, 2007 - 15:22:44
I've often wondered    if Catholicism is what has been responsible for the cause of third world countries being the way they are.     
I wonder if Catholicism churns out blind followers over time so that there are large groups of peoples looking for any government in which to put their trust. 

Oh my...you really do give the Church way more credit then it deserves.  I can say that Catholicism is not responsible for the problems plaguing the Third World.  I can assure you than I am not a blind follower.  I actually embraced Catholicism with wide open eyes.  Praise be to God.

Quote from: mistergus on Wed Oct 24, 2007 - 17:25:21

Quote from: churchmember on Wed Oct 24, 2007 - 15:22:44
I've often wondered    if Catholicism is what has been responsible for the cause of third world countries being the way they are.    
I wonder if Catholicism churns out blind followers over time so that there are large groups of peoples looking for any government in which to put their trust. 

I don't know, but in those "Christian" countries where illiteracy is the highest (specifically, Central and South America), the Roman Catholic Church is by far the most dominate.  Accident?  I doubt it.

Robert G

Mistergus, you must have way too much time on your hands.  You are blaming the Catholic Church for the region's illiteracy.  Give me a break.  I teach World Geography and I can assure you that is not the case.  Lack of funding and an inadequate education system is responsible for that.

Lets say for the sake of arguement (which i would not side with) that the catholic church is the anti-Christ and inerrantly evil. So what, what business is that of yours/mine if that were the case? Who are you to judge another? Is that not Gods call any longer? All this is useless nonsense that does nothing to help God, it can only hurt us/and the lost souls out there! I call it a complete disgrace of Gods grace/love.

Quote from: broach972 on Thu Oct 25, 2007 - 16:22:58
Mistergus, you must have way too much time on your hands.  You are blaming the Catholic Church for the region's illiteracy.  Give me a break.  I teach World Geography and I can assure you that is not the case.  Lack of funding and an inadequate education system is responsible for that.

Actually, you've got it backwards.  I blame the regions illiteracy for the Catholic Church.  Being dominate, anyway.

Robert G

fwiw, years ago, Sting blamed the region's poverty on the Catholic Church's birth control policy and desire to retain power.

I tend to think he carried things a little too far.

Quote from: marc on Thu Oct 25, 2007 - 18:41:00
fwiw, years ago, Sting blamed the region's poverty on the Catholic Church's birth control policy and desire to retain power.

I tend to think he carried things a little too far.

Was that pre- or post- Crow Sting?

Quote from: Gary on Thu Oct 25, 2007 - 19:10:29

Quote from: marc on Thu Oct 25, 2007 - 18:41:00
fwiw, years ago, Sting blamed the region's poverty on the Catholic Church's birth control policy and desire to retain power.

I tend to think he carried things a little too far.

Was that pre- or post- Crow Sting?

I must really be out of touch; I have no idea what you're talking about. 

I think he is asking is it a pretty crow or one on a fence post.

Oh.  That makes sense.  Neither; it's a raven.  Keeps muttering about some idiot it ran into once who kept going on and on about someone named Lenore. Says it really got him going by just repeating the word "nevermore" over and over again, like it couldn't say anything else.

Quote from: marc on Fri Oct 26, 2007 - 21:03:42

Quote from: Gary on Thu Oct 25, 2007 - 19:10:29

Quote from: marc on Thu Oct 25, 2007 - 18:41:00
fwiw, years ago, Sting blamed the region's poverty on the Catholic Church's birth control policy and desire to retain power.

I tend to think he carried things a little too far.

Was that pre- or post- Crow Sting?

I must really be out of touch; I have no idea what you're talking about. 

Post Crow Sting


Pre-Crow Sting

Robert my brother.  I have not posted on this board in some time. However, you just seem tohave a way of pulling me from the light into the darkness.  The enemy is not the RCC.  In fact we owe them for many good things.  I love all who own Christ as their Lord and savior.  Radical Islam and lack of commitment to the cause of Christ are the veheciles I believe saton is using against the kingdom of Christ today.  Later Johnb

Oh.  I thought this had something to do with Cheryl.  I was thinking that I knew about Clapton and Armstrong, but Sting?  What would Trudy think?

Quote from: marc on Thu Oct 25, 2007 - 15:52:46
For those who notice a missing phrase, consigning another believer to the pit of Hell in no uncertain terms is still against board rules.  Thank you. 

The pit?  Is that anything like the gaping maw?

If there were any truth to the claim that Catholicism would mess with religious freedom, it needs to get busy in Europe before the dirty nightshirts take the place over.