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Quote from: damoncrowe on Thu Feb 21, 2008 - 22:46:53
There are several misconceptions mentioned throughout this thread that really need to be cleared up.  The KKK was not originally a racist organization. 

Well, that's as far as I need to read to know whether or not it was a post I could take seriously. 

As far as people using the Confederate flag as a racist symbol...homosexuals have been using the rainbow as their symbol for years, but Christians should never consider the rainbow to be a progay symbol.  The same applies to OUR flag.  

What about the Swastika then?.......It was a religious symbol at one time. Since the Nazis incorporated it into their flag in the 1920s, it has become forever linked with hatred and evil.
I spent time in Germany and never saw a Swastika 'proudly' displayed over any government building. The only time I saw one was when a 'radical' political group would demonstrate.

Ah, but when I see a rainbow triangle on the back of a CR-V, I know they don't mean "God's promise to Noah" and when I see the Confederate flag sticker on my neighbor's door I know he isn't thinking "Southern heritage".

Sorry, but the stains of history don't come off that easily.  And...if you've got to bring up the swastika as a defense, you're probably defending the indefensible.  It's a simple test, that.

fwiw, we had a major (and I mean major--there was some real offense taken) Confederate flag fight in our youth group a month or so ago.  We got a new room by tearing out a wall between two small classrooms, and while waiting for it to be repainted, kids covered the wall with grafitti, beginning with names and crosses and the likes.  Then a Confederate flag showed up, and another wall almost got torn out (and I wasn't the leader of the outrage, which some of you who know my views might suspect would be the case.) 

Who's using it as a defense?
    I was merely stating that no matter what a symbol may have stood for at any given point in history, our current society can and will give it a totally different meaning.
    Normally, those current interpretations do come from an event that happened in the past (WW2, the Civil War, etc.). The people that 'proudly' display these items cannot (or refuse to)comprehend the change in society, and they need to quit living in the past. The Nazis lost WW2, and the Confederacy lost the Civil War.
The symbols of those eras, in my opinion, should have been buried with them.
    Like it or not, the Confederacy no longer exists. Those states are once again part of the USA.
Have your state flags, but answer me this; Did the state flags that display the 'Stars and Bars' have that on them before the Civil War? Or was this done afterwards by state governments that refused to accept the fact that their dream had come to an end.
    I have no issue with someone being proud of their heritage, but we were all Americans long before there were 'Yankees and Rebels'.

Quote from: jmg3rd on Sat Mar 08, 2008 - 09:27:18
Ah, but when I see a rainbow triangle on the back of a CR-V, I know they don't mean "God's promise to Noah" and when I see the Confederate flag sticker on my neighbor's door I know he isn't thinking "Southern heritage".

Geeze....that first part really made me laugh.  I'll think of your statement everytime I see on on a bumper sticker....and I see plenty.

I grew up in a very rural southern area. We do consider the Confederate flag a remembrance of our Southern heritage....but the only people who are actually FLYING it are the ones who are making a whole different statement. It is not always a racial issue....sometimes they just don't like the yankee who moved in down the road. 

As a Christian....there is no way I could justify flying or supporting either one of those flags because they represent something contrary to the Word of God.

JB I have an important Question to ask to you after reading a good portion of This fact verses Myth.

How do you know what you have is the real source of fact?   Where is The Source that we can compare History what is Myth and what is fact? so in the Future we can avoid not reading Myth and reading books more factual to learn. where is the Source you go to to find out Fact V. Myth topics?

Personally I don't find any of your list of MYTHS to be all that extraordinary.  I just think they are totally irrelevant.  OK.  So, the war was not actually fought over the issue of slavery.  I don't know of any politician at the time who claimed that it was fought over slavery.  I was never told by any history teacher or ever read in any book that the War Between the States was fought over slavery. 

The South seceded over the issue of slavery as put forth in Abraham Lincoln's 1860 campaign platform.  So, secession was about slavery and the war was about session.  But, you'd have to have your head filled with concrete to believe that slavery was a completely unrelated issue.