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But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:14

Quote from: elijah_101 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 - 13:56:24
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:14

Words you should heed.. because they apply to you.

Quote from: elijah_101 on Sun Dec 21, 2008 - 14:42:13
You Told me your Remarried, so Acording to What God Said, Your Living in Adultery, But you Do not Accept Gods Word, When He Said, If you Put Away your Wife or your Husband  and you marry another you Commit Adultery.

Question 1:  Please find in the Bible where ANYONE uses the phrase "Living in Adultery

penetration.   "I did not have sex with that woman"   The gospel according to Bill.

For elijah
matthew 5v32
whoever dismisses and repudiates and divorces his wife, EXCEPT ON THE GOUNDS OF UNFAITHFULLNESS (SEXUAL IMMORALITY),causes her to committ adultery.
Therefore if you divorce someone for unfaithfullness (sexual immorality) you do NOT committ adultery if you remarry, as Jesus says that it is allowable if that is the cause.

The women at the well.
John 4v1
Jesus said "you have spoken truly is saying you have no husband. For you have had five husbands and the man you are now living with is not your husband".
Jesus recognised and acknowledged that she had had five husbands, not one, but five.
Therefore, He recognised all of her five marriages (and therefore all of her divorces) He could have said you have had one husband, he didnt. He said that she had spoken truly when she said that she had no husband. If she were still married, He would have said so.
If she was still 'married' to the first one, as you claim, then He would have said that you have had one husband, and would  also have told her that she was lying by saying that she had no husband., because she was still married to her first.
If He didnt recognise ALL of her marriages, He would have said so.Jesus knew exactly what he was saying.He wouldnt have said one thing if he had meant another.

I have heard all sorts of very strange explainations of this passage from those who try to say that Jesus doesnt recognise  second marriages or third marriages, but thay dont hold water.We dont even know the reaosn for this womans marriage breakups, they may not have even been for sexual immorality, yet he STILL recognised them.

For those whose spouses have committed sexual immorality there is clearly the allowance that they can divorce and remarry. No where does it say that if your spouse has been unfaithful  you are not allowed to divorce and remarry. Unfaithfullness was punishable by death in Old testament times, thus leaving the innocent spouse free to remarry. it was the ending of the marriage and it still can be if the innocent one cannot bring herself to stay married, or if that isnt an option to them..

Praise God for fresh beginning and new starts and second marriages!Best thing that has even happened to me is marrying my wonderful husband.

QuotePosted By chosenone, Both of us are divorced for Biblially acceptable reasons, according to Jesus. When you are divorced you are no longer married, and are therefore free to remarry another Christian person.Adultery or similar by your spouse is when Jesus himself said you are allowed to divorce. A divorce is the ending of a marriage. Othwerwise what is the point of a divorce?

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The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth;

but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 1 Cor 7:39

Death do you Part!!!!

These are The Word of God

WHat More is there to Say?

Jesus Plainly said!!!

write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away
Mark 10:4

Even in Mans Law, you Got to Get a Bill of Divorcement, TO Remarry.

But you Still Go Against the word of God, when you Remarry, As it is Written and shall marry another, committeth adultery Matt 19:9

I will Quote this Scripture Again...

Write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away
Mark 10:4

Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication Matt 19:9

and shall marry another, committeth adultery Matt 19:9

Now look up Here^^^ see this Scripture...Now..I do not see were Jesus said you can Remarry..

And Shall marry another Commits Adultery!!!!

and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matt 19:9

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery
Luke 16:18


and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Luke 16:18


Now  You have been Divorced, and Put away...

and So, the man Who Married you, commits adultery.

And By Him Being Divorced, He Still Commits Adultery...Luke 16:18

Not only that Choosen

You Said you have a Living Husband!!!

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matt 12:37

According to the Word of God...

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

What More is there to Say?


she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage
Luke 20:34

My ex didnt put me away I put him away. Slight difference there. Of course I have a living husband, the one i am married to! Please read my last post and answer that one.

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Jan 03, 2009 - 18:32:29
My ex didnt put me away I put him away. Slight difference there. Of course I have a living husband, the one i am married to! Please read my last post and answer that one.

Thats Not What the Word of God Says

And if a woman shall put away her husband , and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress
Romans 7:3


she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

What More is there to say?

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matt 12:37

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord
Acts 3:19


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 (KJV)

Quote from: elijah_101 on Sat Jan 03, 2009 - 20:41:38

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Jan 03, 2009 - 18:32:29
My ex didnt put me away I put him away. Slight difference there. Of course I have a living husband, the one i am married to! Please read my last post and answer that one.

Thats Not What the Word of God Says

And if a woman shall put away her husband , and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress
Romans 7:3


she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

What More is there to say?

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matt 12:37

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord
Acts 3:19


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 (KJV)

I didnt put away my husband to marry another, I divorced him becuase Jesus said I could because he committed such appalling sexual immorality that I couldnt even say here what it was. Jesus SAID that IF our spouse committs sexual immorality we ARE allowed to divorce our spouses and if He allows us to divorce our spouses the marriage is finished and ended. matthew 5v22. That is what divorce is, the ending of a marriage. I have only one living husband and that is the one that I am married to now. I have no other living husband. God led me to divorce him after I prayed for three years about it, and he also led me to remarry about 3 years after that and it is only Him that I listen to and not you or anyone else.

You still havent answered my question about the passage I quoted above about the  woman at the well which ACTUALLY  disproves your theory that we are only married to the first person that we have sex with. I would also ask whether you are married yourself.

It does not Matter....

except it be for fornication Matt 19:9

and shall marry another, committeth adultery Matt 19:9

And if a woman shall put away her husband ,

and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12


Marriage is Unto DEATH,

Divorce does not , Mean your 1st husband Is DEAD....

Why....

it is Written

The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth;

For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband

so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. Romans 7:2

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man , she shall be called an adulteressRomans 7:3

she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

What More is there to say?

Just as GOD Said

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, .  Isa 55:11

Again I say what about the verses that I wrote about the women at the  well. You keep ignoring this question.

Divorce does not mean that my ex husband is dead but it does mean that he is no longer married to me. or I to him.
Divorce is allowed for sexual immorality I dont understand why you cannot see this. 99% of the Chruistian population can see it except you. Jesus said that IF your spouse committs adultery divorce IS ALLOWED, and you DO NOT committ adultery if you remarry. Where is the problem in that it is crystal clear to nearly every Christian.

Please answer about the women at the well and what Jesus said to her.The fact that you wont answer is a sort of answer in itself.

Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.John 4:16-18

She had 5 Husbands

And the one she has is not her Husband..

Because she is Adulterated

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.Luke 17:26-

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Heb 13:4

And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Mark 10:12

For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Romans 7:2

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress:
Romans 7:3


she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

QuotePosted by: chosenone Divorce does not mean that my ex husband is deadit does mean that he is no longer married to me. or I to him.

The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth 1 Cor 7:39

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress
Romans 7:3

QuotePosted by: chosenone I dont understand why you cannot see this. 99% of the Chruistian population can see it except you

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10

Therefore hell hath enlarged herself , and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isaiah 5:14


Phil 2:21 - For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Luke 13:24

QuotePosted by: chosenoneIF your spouse committs adultery divorce IS ALLOWED, and you DO NOT committ adultery if you remarry.

write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away
Mark 10:4

Even in Mans Law, you Got to Get a Bill of Divorcement, TO Remarry.

Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication Matt 19:9

and shall marry another, committeth adultery Matt 19:9

Now look up Here^^^ see this Scripture...Now..I do not see were Jesus said you can Remarry..

And Shall marry another Commits Adultery!!!!

and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matt 19:9

and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:32

QuoteQuote from: chosenone on Yesterday at 07:32 PM
My ex didnt put me away I put him away. Slight difference there. Of course I have a living husband, the one i am married to!.

And if a woman shall put away her husband , and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matt 19:11-12

Quote from: elijah_101 on Sun Jan 04, 2009 - 20:21:18
Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.John 4:16-18

She had 5 Husbands

And the one she has is not her Husband..

Because she is Adulterated

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.Luke 17:26-

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Heb 13:4

And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Mark 10:12

For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Romans 7:2

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress:
Romans 7:3


she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

QuotePosted by: chosenone Divorce does not mean that my ex husband is deadit does mean that he is no longer married to me. or I to him.

The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth 1 Cor 7:39

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress
Romans 7:3

QuotePosted by: chosenone I dont understand why you cannot see this. 99% of the Chruistian population can see it except you

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10

Therefore hell hath enlarged herself , and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isaiah 5:14


Phil 2:21 - For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Luke 13:24

QuotePosted by: chosenoneIF your spouse committs adultery divorce IS ALLOWED, and you DO NOT committ adultery if you remarry.

write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away
Mark 10:4

Even in Mans Law, you Got to Get a Bill of Divorcement, TO Remarry.

Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication Matt 19:9

and shall marry another, committeth adultery Matt 19:9

Now look up Here^^^ see this Scripture...Now..I do not see were Jesus said you can Remarry..

And Shall marry another Commits Adultery!!!!

and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matt 19:9

and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:32

QuoteQuote from: chosenone on Yesterday at 07:32 PM
My ex didnt put me away I put him away. Slight difference there. Of course I have a living husband, the one i am married to!.

And if a woman shall put away her husband , and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matt 19:11-12

yes, you finally admitted it. The woman at the well DID have five husbands and not one as your theory would have us believe. jesus recognised all five of her husbands,and not just the first, so how can you say that we are only ever married to the first person we have sex with. yes, the women was living with  man who was not her husaband and therfore was committing sexual immorlality.If Jesus recognised only her first husband he woudl have said so.

You do NOT committ adultery if you remarry after your spouse has committed sexual immorality.it is so clear, jesus said it, he doesnt comdemn me only you do becuase you cannot see what Jesus says becuase you dont want to for whatever reason.Jesus knew that if you divorced you would remarry. Thats what people did then. if he was permitting divorce, he was also permitting remarriage.
i have one husband and that is the one that I am married to. If you have to condemdn anyone (and it isnt your job to do this anyway) why not comdemn those who really are being unfaithful. I am sure that you know some, I certainly do!
maybe leave thos who have never been unfaithful alone?
I do wonder why you feel so dead set on this mission to condemn those who arent married to the first person that they have had sex with.I know it is becuase of something in your life becuase you wouldnt be so obsessed with it if werent. Shame that you can think of nothing else, or write about anything else on these forums. This is your obsession it seems. Why is that? Would be interesting to know what drives this need to judge and comdemn without ever giving away anything about you as a person as most others here do (and which after it is the point of a forum like this) Judge judge condemn and condemn some more, that is ALL you EVER do. Not a very Christian thing to do and in fact you are disobeying God by doing it but of course you cant see that can you. 

I dont know why you are obsessed with proving to everyone that your not an adulteror, which you clearly stated you are.
Posted by: chosenone I dont understand why you cannot see this. 99% of the Chruistian population can see it except you

Posted by: chosenone Divorce does not mean that my ex husband is deadit does mean that he is no longer married to me. or I to him.

posted by chosenone :My ex didnt put me away I put him away. Slight difference there. Of course I have a living husband, the one i am married to!.


Posted by: chosenoneIF your spouse committs adultery divorce IS ALLOWED, and you DO NOT committ adultery if you remarry.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matt 12:36-37 (KJV)

10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water
John 4:10 (KJV)

Jesus tells the woman at the well^^^^


Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life
John 4:13-14 (KJV)

^^^^^^^
Jesus tells the woman this also^^^^^^


Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:22 (KJV)

Jesus tells the woman this. ^^^^^^

I really dont get where Jesus tells the woman it is okay for her to have 5 husbands, Seems to me Jesus is telling her something totaly different.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

Matt 4:3-4 (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Matt 7:21-27 (KJV)


Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

14 The sower soweth the word.

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
Mark 4:11-20 (KJV)


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:1-4 (KJV)

The word said you do commit adultery^^^^^^^^^

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
2 Cor 4:3-4 (KJV)

Are you lost? If you can not see the word then you are.

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:13-14 (KJV)


If you can not see the word of God that is your business, I have tried to show you the truth, but you will not except it because you love not the truth

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thess 2:10-12 (KJV)

You should not teach to break Gods words.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:17-19 (KJV)

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 John 1:10-11 (KJV)

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death
Rev 2:20-23 (KJV)

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Mon Jan 05, 2009 - 10:04:25
I dont know why you are obsessed with proving to everyone that your not an adulteror, which you clearly stated you are.

No.. you did that.. by using a translation that suits your needs you have perverted Jesus words to your own ends..

Do you have no care for why Jesus taught what he did?

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Mon Jan 05, 2009 - 10:04:25
I dont know why you are obsessed with proving to everyone that your not an adulteror, which you clearly stated you are.
Posted by: chosenone I dont understand why you cannot see this. 99% of the Chruistian population can see it except you

Posted by: chosenone Divorce does not mean that my ex husband is deadit does mean that he is no longer married to me. or I to him.

posted by chosenone :My ex didnt put me away I put him away. Slight difference there. Of course I have a living husband, the one i am married to!.


Posted by: chosenoneIF your spouse committs adultery divorce IS ALLOWED, and you DO NOT committ adultery if you remarry.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matt 12:36-37 (KJV)

10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water
John 4:10 (KJV)

Jesus tells the woman at the well^^^^


Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life
John 4:13-14 (KJV)

^^^^^^^
Jesus tells the woman this also^^^^^^


Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:22 (KJV)

Jesus tells the woman this. ^^^^^^

I really dont get where Jesus tells the woman it is okay for her to have 5 husbands, Seems to me Jesus is telling her something totaly different.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

Matt 4:3-4 (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Matt 7:21-27 (KJV)


Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

14 The sower soweth the word.

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
Mark 4:11-20 (KJV)


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:1-4 (KJV)

The word said you do commit adultery^^^^^^^^^

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
2 Cor 4:3-4 (KJV)

Are you lost? If you can not see the word then you are.

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:13-14 (KJV)


If you can not see the word of God that is your business, I have tried to show you the truth, but you will not except it because you love not the truth

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thess 2:10-12 (KJV)

You should not teach to break Gods words.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:17-19 (KJV)

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 John 1:10-11 (KJV)

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death
Rev 2:20-23 (KJV)

I am not obsessed with proving that I am not an adulterer becuase I am not one. I have never been unfaithful ever and never will be.There are many out there who are and do committ adultery every day as they are unfaithful to their spouses. Neither myself or my husband are in that category as neither of us have ever been unfaithful. The only reason that I started this was beucase of the rediculous things that you and elijah claim that are a total distortion of scripture. You two are the ones who are obsessed with this ONE thing, and as far as I can see NEVER ever post about anything else except this,judging and condemning those who are in godly marriages and who are faithful to their spouses. I think  that it is very sad that you both have such a strong need to do this, and it shows that you both have deep issues and problems on this very area of marriage and unfaithful ness yourselves or you wouldnt be so obsessed with this one thing .
I just try to tell others of your distorted and strange obsession so that they will not be hurt or feel comdemned by you, as is your intention.
I do not feel condemned or hurt becuase God has found me the best and most godly man ever and he has restored to me and my husband all that the locusts have eaten. I am sorry that you feel resentful about this, or jealous, or whatever it is that makes you do what you do, but
God is good and we both feel so very blessed by Him.   He doesnt judge and condemn us becuase we have done what He led us to do for the reasons that He said that we couuld. Shame that some of His people are so hateful and condemning  when he has blessed us so radically.

We are clearly told NOT to judge others, so why do people continue to do this on this topic? Arent they disobeying God by judging and condemning when it isnt their place to do so?

I AM NOT JUDGING YOU "THE WORD DOES THE JUDGING":

It is your choice to do this, But you should not tell other people it is okay. 

If Jesus tells us not to do this, then we don't do it and we sure dont preach that it is okay to do what Jesus tells us not do.

::announcment::That is my point! 
As it is written:

And if a woman shall put away her husband , and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

The word of God judges, if you be married to another, she committeth adultery.

That is why disciples tells Jesus in would be better not to marry:

10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry
Matt 19:10 (KJV)

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Mon Jan 05, 2009 - 17:10:28
I AM NOT JUDGING YOU "THE WORD DOES THE JUDGING":

It is your choice to do this, But you should not tell other people it is okay. 

If Jesus tells us not to do this, then we don't do it and we sure dont preach that it is okay to do what Jesus tells us not do.

::announcment::That is my point! 
As it is written:

And if a woman shall put away her husband , and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

The word of God judges, if you be married to another, she committeth adultery.

That is why disciples tells Jesus in would be better not to marry:

10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry
Matt 19:10 (KJV)

Unfortunately you have proven time and time again that you have no idea what Jesus said.. you can read the words.. but their meanings are beyond your comprehension.

He told people it would be better not to marry because they would have more time to serve the Lord with.  Marriage takes up a ton of ones time.

He also said it was better to marry then be consumed with lust.

He also said that an elder should be the husband of one wife for the same reason... multiple wives would take up too much of the elders time and he couldn't attend to the flock.

Did you know God is planning to remarry?

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Mon Jan 05, 2009 - 17:10:28
I AM NOT JUDGING YOU "THE WORD DOES THE JUDGING":

It certainly does. And your 'delivery' of said judgment is presented in front of a mirror to an audience of one.

Actually Jesus said this:

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

t]12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matt 19:8-12 (KJV)

::announcment::All men cannot receive this saying! 

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Mon Jan 05, 2009 - 17:55:59
Actually Jesus said this:

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

t]12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matt 19:8-12 (KJV)

::announcment::All men cannot receive this saying! 

It really wont help or make any difference for you to put everything in larger and larger lettering and use more and more colours.It makes no difference to the fact that you are wrong in saying that we marry the first person that we have sex with and are comitting adultery if we marry anyone properly.
You definatately ARE  judging others, whatever way that you do it, that is what you are doing. We ARE told not to do that, so maybe you should stop.It is NOT your place or anyone elses place to judge others here.
I am telling others what the Bible says and that is that they can actually get married EVEN if they have had sex before marriage and even if they were raped and even if they are divorced if their divorce was for the reasons Jesus said.
Just becuase you have chosen to live a celebate life please dont tell others that they must do also.That is purely your choice and that is fine for you.
If I were to withhold sex from my husband (and why on earth would I do that?)I would be disobeying God becuase he tells us not to withhold sex except for a time of prayer and fasting. Our bodies  belong to each other and  not merely to ourselves. Marriage should always include sex , it is good and godly. However I dont judge you for not having sex so dont judge me or anyone else for having sex within a faithful marriage.

QuoteyPosted by: chosenone yes, you finally admitted it. The woman at the well DID have five husbands and not one as your theory would have us believe. jesus recognised all five of her husbands,and not just the first, so how can you say that we are only ever married to the first person we have sex with. yes, the women was living with  man who was not her husaband and therfore was committing sexual immorlality.If Jesus recognised only her first husband he woudl have said so.

Note what Jesus Says

Let me Open your Eyes a Little more

Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.  John 4:16

he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
John 4:18

Why

For thou hast had five husbands
John 4:18

How does God Marry You? You have Sex

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1 Cor 6:15-

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh
Matt 19:4-6

When you are Defiled, it is an Unlawful Marriage....Because Every Time you have Sex...You Commit Adultery

Why?

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Heb 13:4

As it is Written

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:26-

Just like your Marriage Chosen, it is an Unlawful marriage, Just like the Women at the Well....he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

Just like John the Baptist Told Herod It is not lawful for thee to have his brother Philip's wife
Matt 14:3

What more is there to Say?

You have No Scripture....

No Proof....

No Nothing....

Just fables. 2 Tim 4:4

QuotePreaching You do NOT committ adultery if you remarry after your spouse has committed sexual Posted by Choosenone

Jesus Planly Said write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away
Mark 10:4

Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication Matt 19:9

and shall marry another, committeth adultery Matt 19:9

Now look up Here^^^ see this Scripture...Now..I do not see were Jesus said you can Remarry..

And Shall marry another Commits Adultery!!!!

and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matt 19:9

and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:32

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Tim 4:4

QuotePosted by: chosenone I am not obsessed with proving that I am not an adulterer becuase I am not one.

According to the Word of God....You are a adulteress

For this Cause

And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

Why? are you an adulteress

You are Bound to the law so Long as your Husband is Alive 1 Corinthians 7:39

And thats not the Only Part

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

QuotePosted by: chosenone I am not obsessed with proving that I am not an adulterer becuase I am not one

she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3

Let Your Pride Go, and Come to Jesus and Repent....

Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished
Prov 16:5

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Prov 8:13

12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.Matt 19:8-

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Acts 3:19-20



if you cannot see this

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not
2 Cor 4:3-

"let your pride go come to God and repent" is what elijah said . That is funny. I actually laughed when I read that, becuase  that is EXACTLY what you need to do but of course you never will becuause you are so full of pride, arrogance and self righteousness that is is impossible. Stop convicting others for a moment, and look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself. "Why do I feel the need to do this and what are my motivations? Why am I so obsessed with this one thing and why do I need to condemn others? What is it in my life that makes me driven to judge others in such a way?" Of course there are reasons that only you know, but they will be there and are probably obvious to all around you. 
maybe if you stop judging others then you wont be jugded either.Dont you know that verse, or is that one conveniently forgotton? Oh of course its only the verses about adultery that you remember isnt it. Sheesh.

Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour.


The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy.


The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.


There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.Prov 14:9-12

See...Your Useing your own Words From Heart

For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within
Mark 7:21-23

QuotePosted by: chosenone I am not obsessed with proving that I am not an adulterer becuase I am not one.

According to the Word of God....You are a adulteress

For this Cause

And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:12

Why? are you an adulteress

You are Bound to the law so Long as your Husband is Alive 1 Corinthians 7:39

And thats not the Only Part

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress Romans 7:3


For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matt 12:37

As a wise person said on this very forum, (actually on this very topic). "When faced with insanity you have to either laugh or cry" I have chosen to laugh as I think this is all very funny and extreemly rediculous.
Dont judge others so that you wont be judged elijah. You are doing this ALL THE TIME here.

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Jan 05, 2009 - 14:57:12
We are clearly told NOT to judge others, so why do people continue to do this on this topic? Arent they disobeying God by judging and condemning when it isnt their place to do so?

44  cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 12:44-48 (KJV)


42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead


Acts 10:42 (KJV). 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead
Acts 17:29-31 (KJV)

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 2:15-16 (KJV)

3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
1 Cor 4:3-5 (KJV)


31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1 Cor 11:31-32 (KJV)

Your words judge you!  You say you are divorced and remarried.

4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge
Heb 13:4 (KJV)

If your not married when you have sex, then what does this mean?

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder
Matt 19:4-6 (KJV)

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 13:10:49

If your not married when you have sex, then what does this mean?

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder
Matt 19:4-6 (KJV)

Not one word of marriage in that passage... pretty imagination you have there.

Quote from: Tantor on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 13:12:43

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 13:10:49

If your not married when you have sex, then what does this mean?

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder
Matt 19:4-6 (KJV)

Not one word of marriage in that passage.

Let me finish the passage then
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marryMatt 19:7-10 (KJV)

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 13:15:04

Quote from: Tantor on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 13:12:43

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 13:10:49

If your not married when you have sex, then what does this mean?

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder
Matt 19:4-6 (KJV)

Not one word of marriage in that passage.

Let me finish the passage then
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marryMatt 19:7-10 (KJV)

What is fornication?

And its says it is 'good' or 'better' not to remarry.. but that is not a command 'not to marry'.

fornication is when you husband or wife commits adultery.

Yes is okay to marry if the bed is undefiled.

I am not against a clean undefiled marriage.  I think it is wonderful!

4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 5
Heb 13:4-5 (KJV)

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 13:22:30
fornication is when you husband or wife commits adultery.

That is an anglicized definition of fornication... there are many other definitions for it.

I suggest you hit the books and do some studying... your knowledge of the subject is sorely lacking.

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