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Quote from: fanuvmxpx on Mon Feb 09, 2009 - 12:15:37

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Mon Feb 09, 2009 - 11:43:01
All of the above constitute belongings. 

Before a woman belongs to her husband she belongs to her father. 

Of course, but in a different context, you can't "sell" or "lease" your wife (legally I should say). You also cannot steal your neighbor's wife, because according to God, their still married. Its illogical to assign man's "ownership" terms to a bride, because God's description of marriage overshadows them.

The only reason my wife belongs to me is because I promised God I would keep her.

Exactly. I am no more my husbands 'property' and more than my children are my 'property'. However I AM his WIFE and HE is my HUSBAND.

Actually, a man can steal another mans wife in a sense.  He can through
adultery.  And prostituting of daughters (Lev 19:29) proves that a daughter can be leased.  Doesn't make it right but it does show ownership.   

While it is true that a man owns his wives, he is under obligation to treat them as his own flesh. 

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Exactly. I am no more my husbands 'property' and more than my children are my 'property'. However I AM his WIFE and HE is my HUSBAND.

I am my father's son and he is my father.  But that did NOT negate his authority over me and my obligation to obey him.

You have an obligation to obey your husband, so says God.  I Peter 3:1-2 calls obeying your husband chastity or purity depending which bible you read.  And disobeying your husband is the opposite (unchastity/impurity) and is just cause for divorce. 

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Mon Feb 09, 2009 - 12:45:44

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Exactly. I am no more my husbands 'property' and more than my children are my 'property'. However I AM his WIFE and HE is my HUSBAND.

I am my father's son and he is my father.  But that did NOT negate his authority over me and my obligation to obey him.

You have an obligation to obey your husband, so says God.  I Peter 3:1-2 calls obeying your husband chastity or purity depending which bible you read.  And disobeying your husband is the opposite (unchastity/impurity) is just cause for divorce. 

It doesnt mean that I belong to him as his property.

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Mon Feb 09, 2009 - 12:42:46
Actually, a man can steal another mans wife in a sense.  He can through
adultery.  And prostituting of daughters (Lev 19:29) proves that a daughter can be leased.  Doesn't make it right but it does show ownership.  

While it is true that a man owns his wives, he is under obligation to treat them as his own flesh. 

Adultery can't steal a wife...a husband has to break his promise to keep his wife if she cheats on him...their still married if she cheats on him and he does nothing.

If you allow men to sleep with your daughters in exchange for anything...of course its wrong...still doesn't imply ownership though. I could tell my wife to cook food for someone in exchange for money...doesn't imply I own her though...she could say "no".

And that is key, in the old testament times it would be unheard of for an un-wed daughter to question their father. We now live under a new covenant, and thankfully laws have updated to keep women from being pure objects of sex.

Also, on the subject of obedience. If your male superior orders you to do something against the Law of God, you do not have to agree to it.

Abortion is beyond wrong.  It is the modern-day Ba'al worship.  (See my other posts)

Ba'al worship in biblical times, included child sacrifice.  Particularly burning innocent children, slain by their parents.  The fact that God is and was against Ba'al worship is evident thruout the Bible. 

There is nothing good about abortion.  It is against GOD, period.

I am personally sending a letter to President Obama, and I encourage all of you posting a response to this subject to write a letter expressing your views, also.  If we flood his office with letters, maybe he will actually sit down and read some of them in his spare time.  Maybe he will get the drift that Christians are actually SERIOUS about abortion, and not just against it. 

Stop being a wishy-washy Christian, you who follow the LORD.  Love Him will all your heart, soul, mind and strength.  Pick up your cross and follow Him.

Do something.  Anything...you can do to fight abortion, however little a step it might be would be a step in the right direction.  Please join me in sending a letter on abortion to President Obama, before he passes the Ugly "freedom of choice act"...

Write:

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Cmon, do it!  Stand up for God!  Stand up for the un-born who can't stand up for themselves!  Stop ALLOWING the innocent to be slaughtered!  Will the real Christians please stand up!!!

Love,

Kristina

I already wrote him.  And askes if he is a CHRISTian like he claimes then why does he ignore the book of Proverbs where it say's GOD hates those who take (kill) an innocent life.  Sad to say I doubt I will get a responce.

Everything is wrong with abortion. Just because those babies cannot speak or are not fully developed doesn't mean that they don't have and soul and are precious human lives. I do not understand how someone could MURDER an innocent little baby. It's outright MURDER. Those babies are just as loved by God as any human and we as able bodied people should not take advantage of those helpless babies. If a girl gets pregnant outside of marriage, she needs to suffer the consequences of that mistake.

Quote from: surrendersacrifice on Thu Feb 05, 2009 - 21:00:50
What is wrong with abortion?

Those who exercise true love respect all human beings irrespective of their appearance or size.  They, therefore, recognize the humanity of a one cell stage human being by recognizing that it is an independent life form with human genes; and has a human life force within it that initiates, directs and sustains a process to take that person through successive stages of development (over many years) to transform that person from a single cell individual to a fully grown human being with 10 trillion cells, multiple complex systems and a brain with a memory capacity equal to 20,000 computers.  They, therefore see destruction of human beings in the embryonic and fetal stage as murder. They also see such an act as gross violation of human rights because it denies the victim from reaching his/her full human potential.

Exodus 20:13 (New International Version)

13 "You shall not murder.


I think that explains everything. Besides, apprently God thinks of it as human from conception.

Quote from: dothackzero on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 00:24:26

Quote from: surrendersacrifice on Thu Feb 05, 2009 - 21:00:50
What is wrong with abortion?

Those who exercise true love respect all human beings irrespective of their appearance or size.  They, therefore, recognize the humanity of a one cell stage human being by recognizing that it is an independent life form with human genes; and has a human life force within it that initiates, directs and sustains a process to take that person through successive stages of development (over many years) to transform that person from a single cell individual to a fully grown human being with 10 trillion cells, multiple complex systems and a brain with a memory capacity equal to 20,000 computers.  They, therefore see destruction of human beings in the embryonic and fetal stage as murder. They also see such an act as gross violation of human rights because it denies the victim from reaching his/her full human potential.

Exodus 20:13 (New International Version)

13 "You shall not murder.


I think that explains everything. Besides, apprently God thinks of it as human from conception.

I thought HE thought of it as human before we were knitted in the womb.