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Many  peolpe  have  said   that,Aids  is  a  curse  from  to  punish  homosexuality  in particular   and  all  other forms  of  sexual  immorality.This  stems  from the  fact    that  the  disease was   initially  known   gay  related   immunity  deficiency  grid  because  it  was  first  found   predominantly     among gays. 
          However,others  argued that there have been many plagues and every time some people say God is sending the sicknesses to punish people. 
Four hundred years ago there was a syphilis plague that came from the Spanish seamen having sex with Caribbean natives, and they took the disease back to Europe.  European sailors spread measles and smallpox throughout native populations in North America and the Pacific Islands (especially Hawaii).  A thousand years ago Black Death killed 1/3 of the world's population. 
                What  are  your  opinions  brethren!

No opinion.. too many people read too much into things.

I heard AIDS spawned from Bestiality. As for how aids originated...a constantly mutating deadly gene...no clue. I won't even guess at it, because there is no proof.

Yep, it must be a curse. Because we all know that biology is just some conspiracy made up by the Evil Ones minions (AKA scientists).

No it's a punishment on the idol worshipers in Africa.

Now thats cleared up, who wants to watch X-Files?

Quote from: Howdyboyalan on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 14:18:52
No it's a punishment on the idol worshipers in Africa.

Now thats cleared up, who wants to watch X-Files?

Funny you should say that.  I just went to the video store and rented the x-files because Obama is screwing with prime time TV again tonight. 

Quote from: OneLung on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 14:23:58

Quote from: Howdyboyalan on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 14:18:52
No it's a punishment on the idol worshipers in Africa.

Now thats cleared up, who wants to watch X-Files?

Funny you should say that.  I just went to the video store and rented the x-files because Obama is screwing with prime time TV again tonight. 

Good choice.

Quote from: OneLung on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 14:23:58

Quote from: Howdyboyalan on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 14:18:52
No it's a punishment on the idol worshipers in Africa.

Now thats cleared up, who wants to watch X-Files?

Funny you should say that.  I just went to the video store and rented the x-files because Obama is screwing with prime time TV again tonight. 

I just watched the new movie. It was "ok"...more enjoyable than tonight's econ speech for sure!

The only sense that disease is from God is that He allows them in this fallen world. I believe they are naturally occurring.

I would hate to face God in judgment having affirmed that God specifically sent this disease to punish homosexuals if that was not the case. An old brother used to say that such affirmations are "whittling on God's end of the stick."

It God gets mad because people mis-quote Him or put words in His mouth that are really theirs, not His, then a whole lot of people are going to be in big trouble for a whole lot of reasons. 

I beiieve that there are natural consequenses that are the result of disobeying Gods instructions and warnings. So if he tells men not to have sex with other men and he tells us not to have sex outside marriage and we disobey him, then there are unfortunately consequenses and one of these is aids. Another is the very high numbers of sexually transmitted diseases that are apparently at alarming proportions now. So I dont beieve that God causes these diseases, but that they happen as a result of our own sin and disobedience.
A bit like telling someone not to run into the road without looking and they do and get run over. This isnt our fault, but theirs for not listening to us. A bit like telling someone not to put their hand into the fire or they will get burned, and they do anyway and get burned. We didnt cause their injuries, we warned them but they did them anyway.

Sad that when we go totally against Gods direction and warnings and then blame him for the consequenses. Sickness isnt from God, satan comes to steal, Kill and destroy not God.

No its not a curse A (punishment) from God .

i can tell you that with 100 percent assurance.

God is not a man that he should lie!


earthly Life is a time of Gods grace the time God has given every one to trust in Jesus who took all  the punishment every one of us deserve  on himself and won us forgivness .

The bible clearlyand plainly says  God has punished Jesus for our sin's .

believe it. dont reject what Jesus has done .

because it will be when our time of grace is over  a awful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.



Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our message
       and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
       and like a root out of dry ground.
       He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
       nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,
       a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
       Like one from whom men hide their faces
       he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
       and carried our sorrows,
       yet we considered him stricken by God,
       smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
       he was crushed for our iniquities;
       the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
       and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
       each of us has turned to his own way;
       and the LORD has laid on him
       the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
       yet he did not open his mouth;
       he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
       and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
       so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression  and judgment he was taken away.
       And who can speak of his descendants?
       For he was cut off from the land of the living;
       for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
       and with the rich in his death,
       though he had done no violence,
       nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
       and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
       he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
       and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

11 After the suffering of his soul,
       he will see the light of life  and be satisfied  ;
       by his knowledge  my righteous servant will justify many,
       and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
       and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
       because he poured out his life unto death,
       and was numbered with the transgressors.
       For he bore the sin of many,
       and made intercession for the transgressors.

Quote from: fanuvmxpx on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 13:59:27
I heard AIDS spawned from Bestiality. As for how aids originated...a constantly mutating deadly gene...no clue. I won't even guess at it, because there is no proof.

That's what I've heard too, and that's probably why God also told us not to do it.

Quote from: purewisdom on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 13:52:56
Many  peolpe  have  said   that,Aids  is  a  curse  from  to  punish  homosexuality  in particular   and  all  other forms  of  sexual  immorality.This  stems  from the  fact    that  the  disease was   initially  known   gay  related   immunity  deficiency  grid  because  it  was  first  found   predominantly     among gays. 
          However,others  argued that there have been many plagues and every time some people say God is sending the sicknesses to punish people. 
Four hundred years ago there was a syphilis plague that came from the Spanish seamen having sex with Caribbean natives, and they took the disease back to Europe.  European sailors spread measles and smallpox throughout native populations in North America and the Pacific Islands (especially Hawaii).  A thousand years ago Black Death killed 1/3 of the world's population. 
                What  are  your  opinions  brethren!

One theory I have is that the Black Death didn't really kill 1/3 of the world's population, that this number was something that contemporaries recorded because they thought they were seeing the fulfillment of Revelation, not because of real records, but I'm not sure that's relevant to this thread.

Or is it?

I'm not sure if it is a curse from God or not.  It's my belief that the directions God gave us for life are for our benefit and not just arbitrary hoops he wants us to jump through to help determine who gets eternal life and who gets tossed into the gaping maw.  It appears that part of the reason God told us to not commit buggery, adultery, fornication or beastiality was to protect us from the spread of horrible diseases.

Could it be? Yes.

Is it? Don't know.

Could it be for some folks, and simply the vagaries of life for others? Yes.

If it was a judgment from God, could it be that all the folks that were being judged by it have died? Yes.

Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 22:13:46
Could it be? Yes.

Is it? Don't know.

Could it be for some folks, and simply the vagaries of life for others? Yes.

If it was a judgment from God, could it be that all the folks that were being judged by it have died? Yes.

Actually, it does kinda sound like God. Think about it this way, with how long it takes AIDS to kill someone it gives plenty of time for that person to become a Christian. and also God doesn't want anyone to goto Hell. Just saying...

Quote from: dothackzero on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 22:24:03

Quote from: HRoberson on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 22:13:46
Could it be? Yes.

Is it? Don't know.

Could it be for some folks, and simply the vagaries of life for others? Yes.

If it was a judgment from God, could it be that all the folks that were being judged by it have died? Yes.

Actually, it does kinda sound like God. Think about it this way, with how long it takes AIDS to kill someone it gives plenty of time for that person to become a Christian. and also God doesn't want anyone to goto Hell. Just saying...

...then there are those earthquakes, fire from Heaven, and Assyrian invasions. Or perhaps the Roman leveling of Jerusalem. Not a lot of time in those.

But.....we are told that the patience of God does give time for people to come to their senses.

See Genesis 3:16-20 to know what has come to mankind.

Man has become enslaved by satan (Galatians 4:3 -- Galatians 4:1-5)

Is it a curse to be enslaved by satan?

Is it even up for debate?


If you don't get AIDS and die you'll get something and die.

And you'll be miserable in the process.



Thorns and thistles.

I still think we should remember that we're all sinners.

Man, the direction this thread is moving, I expect Pat Robertson to chime in soon.

Quote from: OneLung on Wed Feb 25, 2009 - 06:44:05
Man, the direction this thread is moving, I expect Pat Robertson to chime in soon.

I thought the OP was Pat Robertson

Aids is the natural result of breaking God's laws of nature. If you believe God is creator, then his laws are the laws of nature; so aids is a natural curse for contravening those laws. It is not specifically aimed at homosexuality, or any such other sin, it is simply the result of such sins as beastiality, homosexuality, prostitution, and addiction, through which it has spread. We must remember that not all who are afflicted with aids have committed sin, but it is most rife where such sin culturally exists.

Aids, Many times is the result of sin. It can come as a result of a dirty needle. maybe someone came in contact with body fluids from someone who had aids.

Children sometimes have Aids for whatever reason.

Aids is the result of a fallen race, It is the result of Disobedience to a Holy God by a lost and dying world.

Aids is the direct result of Adam and Eve as they were deceived by satan in the Garden.

While I do not believe that God sends Aids upon People, I do believe that God will " Allow " the Natural result of sin to take it's course.

homosexuals contact Aids " Maybe " more than any other People in the World. Did God send Aids on these people,? I think Not, But I do believe that God simply allowed the sin of homosexuality to take it's natural course, Thus Aids.

Now this is just my thought. Jesus came to Heal the sick, He died on the Cross so that sickness and disease might be healed,( Plus Salvation ).

The devil, sin, and rebellion against the Word of God causes many formes of sickness and disease to take hold of the Human body.

Christians get sick, God didn't do it, But our bodies grow old and weak, all due to the Fall of Adam and Eve.

Again just my thought.

Quote from: artm on Wed Feb 25, 2009 - 12:43:43
Aids is the result of a fallen race...

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you meant species.

sahemanta sorry but there is no cure for aids. you can live longer if you treat hiv early but not as long if you have aids. There is no cure for either.

Quote from: Mere Nick on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 22:10:24
I'm not sure if it is a curse from God or not.  It's my belief that the directions God gave us for life are for our benefit and not just arbitrary hoops he wants us to jump through to help determine who gets eternal life and who gets tossed into the gaping maw.  It appears that part of the reason God told us to not commit buggery, adultery, fornication or beastiality was to protect us from the spread of horrible diseases.

I agree.