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When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

QuoteWhen "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

As the High Priest of the New Covenant, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us in the true sanctuary in heaven, which the Old covenant sanctuary was just a type of.  In 1844 Christ ended one phase of His ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, and entered upon another and final stage of the same.  That is to say, that he went from the Holy, to the Most holy phase of His Priestly ministry for us in the heavenly sanctuary, typified in the Old Covenant on the Day of Atonement for Israel.

Quote from: Amo on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:33:03

QuoteWhen "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

As the High Priest of the New Covenant, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us in the true sanctuary in heaven, which the Old covenant sanctuary was just a type of.  In 1844 Christ ended one phase of His ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, and entered upon another and final stage of the same.  That is to say, that he went from the Holy, to the Most holy phase of His Priestly ministry for us in the heavenly sanctuary, typified in the Old Covenant on the Day of Atonement for Israel.

Where are your scriptures for the last paragraph, or is this doctrine really just a cover up of the fact that Jesus did not return in 1844 like the Millerites believed?

QuoteWhere are your scriptures for the last paragraph, or is this doctrine really just a cover up of the fact that Jesus did not return in 1844 like the Millerites believed?

I gave you the scriptures to the effect that Christ is now our High Priest interceding for us in the heavenly sanctuary.  As to wether or not the rest is just a cover up for the failed return of Jesus prophesied by the Millerites, one would have to study the matter for themselves and draw their own conclusion.

Miller was certainly wrong concerning the event to take place at the end of the 2300 years, as is obvious.  SDA's find his calculations concerning the timing of the prophesied event to be accurate, just not his interpretation of what that event was.  The prophesied event was the cleansing of the sanctuary.  Miller wrongly thought that the sanctuary represented earth being cleansed by fire at the Lord's return.  Since we know that Christ now minister in the sanctuary in heaven as our High Priest, there is no reason not to believe that that is the sanctuary being referred to in Daniel's prophecy.

The great apostate Church of Rome had attempted to replace Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary with their own Priesthood.  Even having their followers confess their sins to Priests of this false system instead of to Jesus, the true High Priest who alone could forgive, and pardon their sins.  In 1844 a message began pointing humanity back to Christ as our New Covenant High Priest who ever liveth to make intercession for us, in contrast to the great apostate Church of Rome, which had cast this truth to the ground.  This she did by establishing a false priesthood here on earth, thus hiding the truth, and literally attempting to take Christ's ministry away from the heavenly sanctuary, and bring it down to the ground here on earth through themselves.  Thus the Pope set himself up in the temple of God, as God, shewing himself to be God.  These things are all part of the same prophecy.

Thus the message of the cleansing of the sanctuary of the New Covenant is a warning to the world of God's soon coming at the end of the judgment phase of Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, and also a warning to abandon the Priesthood of the great apostasy which is Rome, and turn back to humanities only true High Priest and intercessor the Lord Jesus Christ.  All will decide for or against these two powers before Christ returns. They will do so by either acknowledging the authority of God through obedience to His word, or submitting to the Church of Rome through her manipulation of the kings of the earth to enforce her dogmas.

Quote from: Gary on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:14:40
When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

thats a good question.

when we study the levitical system, why didnt God have just a one time lamb sacrifice to cover all instead of a morning and evening sacrifice in addition to a sacrifice every time one sinned?

and why, in the 7th month,  did the sanctuary have to be cleansed?

Quotewhen we study the levitical system, why didn't God have just a one time lamb sacrifice to cover all instead of a morning and evening sacrifice in addition to a sacrifice every time one sinned?

and why, in the 7th month, did the sanctuary have to be cleansed?

There has always and only been one gospel of Jesus Christ, and one means of salvation through Him.  Jesus Christ is the LAMB OF GOD, slain from the foundation of the world.  The Old Covenant, and it's sanctuary services were a type of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world, before His first coming.  The repeated sacrifices were to ever keep the Savior before the eyes of Israel.  They were to remind them continually, that apart from the LAMB OF GOD they were hopelessly lost in their sins.  Though they had the law of God, they were condemned by it, and helpless to keep it, apart from Him alone who would ever perfectly keep the law in fallen human flesh.

The gospel of Jesus Christ was preached to the children of Israel through the sanctuary and it's services.  The daily and continual sacrifices represented the ongoing ministry of Christ Himself on behalf of all sinners in the true sanctuary above.  The cleansing of the sanctuary represented the final eradication of sin, when the ministry of Christ is finished, and He returns to make all things new.  The plan of salvation is not intended to be a continual unending process.  The ultimate goal is to restore as many as possible to their former place as sons and daughters of the living God, and bring sin, and sinners to a complete end. 

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

PRAISE GOD!

I see there are still no scriptures about why Jesus had to wait until 1844.

Quote from: teresaq on Mon Mar 16, 2009 - 13:46:59

Quote from: Gary on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:14:40
When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

thats a good question.

when we study the levitical system, why didnt God have just a one time lamb sacrifice to cover all instead of a morning and evening sacrifice in addition to a sacrifice every time one sinned?

and why, in the 7th month,  did the sanctuary have to be cleansed?

In the Mosaic Law, the blood of animals did not suffice.  Jesus was the perfect sacrifice.  Are you saying that Jesus's death and resurrection wasn't good enough the first time?

Quote from: Gary on Tue Mar 17, 2009 - 21:36:22

Quote from: teresaq on Mon Mar 16, 2009 - 13:46:59

Quote from: Gary on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:14:40
When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

thats a good question.

when we study the levitical system, why didnt God have just a one time lamb sacrifice to cover all instead of a morning and evening sacrifice in addition to a sacrifice every time one sinned?

and why, in the 7th month,  did the sanctuary have to be cleansed?

In the Mosaic Law, the blood of animals did not suffice.  Jesus was the perfect sacrifice.  Are you saying that Jesus's death and resurrection wasn't good enough the first time?

uuuh, nooooo.  im not real sure how you got from "here to there", so to speak.......  

QuoteI see there are still no scriptures about why Jesus had to wait until 1844.

It has to do with the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Miller and many others believed this event would take place in 1844.  They wrongly believed though, that the sanctuary was the world, and that it would be cleansed by fire.  SDA's believe Millers prophetic calculations were correct, but the event to take place was just what the verse says, only pertaining to the heavenly sanctuary, not the earthly.  Which sanctuary of course, it would have to pertain to, if the prophecy reaches beyond the establishment of the new covenant.  Which is of course, what SDA's believe.

Does this answer your question, or are you asking to see the prophetic calculation itself?

Quote from: Amo on Wed Mar 18, 2009 - 18:37:15

QuoteI see there are still no scriptures about why Jesus had to wait until 1844.

It has to do with the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Miller and many others believed this event would take place in 1844.  They wrongly believed though, that the sanctuary was the world, and that it would be cleansed by fire.  SDA's believe Millers prophetic calculations were correct, but the event to take place was just what the verse says, only pertaining to the heavenly sanctuary, not the earthly.  Which sanctuary of course, it would have to pertain to, if the prophecy reaches beyond the establishment of the new covenant.  Which is of course, what SDA's believe.

Does this answer your question, or are you asking to see the prophetic calculation itself?

No, I don't want to see a calculation.  Just looking for scripture to back your doctrine up, and it appears to be based more upon the writings of Ellen White and her contemporaries than scripture.

Quote from: Gary on Fri Mar 20, 2009 - 00:14:48

Quote from: Amo on Wed Mar 18, 2009 - 18:37:15

QuoteI see there are still no scriptures about why Jesus had to wait until 1844.

It has to do with the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Miller and many others believed this event would take place in 1844.  They wrongly believed though, that the sanctuary was the world, and that it would be cleansed by fire.  SDA's believe Millers prophetic calculations were correct, but the event to take place was just what the verse says, only pertaining to the heavenly sanctuary, not the earthly.  Which sanctuary of course, it would have to pertain to, if the prophecy reaches beyond the establishment of the new covenant.  Which is of course, what SDA's believe.

Does this answer your question, or are you asking to see the prophetic calculation itself?

No, I don't want to see a calculation.  Just looking for scripture to back your doctrine up, and it appears to be based more upon the writings of Ellen White and her contemporaries than scripture. 

no, its based on the levitical system.

God certainly did not have to work out this system.  i say that knowing that you do not accept it.  but i would like to point out that it is something that was understood by bible study, like baptism, Father, Son and Holy Spirit-which are not clearly seen without study-just to name a very few.

i asked you before about the levitical system.   why did God have a cleansing of the sanctuary every 7th month?  what was He trying to teach?   these ceremonies were not something moses invented, tho im sure there could have been many people who said he did.

what was God trying to teach in having a morning and evening sacrifice every single day?  and what about the feasts?  what was the point of each of one them year after year?

and i thank you, sir, for this opportunity to review and study deeper.  as im sure you have experienced we get deeper insights and understandings every time we study any subject. 

Quote from: teresaq on Fri Mar 20, 2009 - 16:53:25

Quote from: Gary on Fri Mar 20, 2009 - 00:14:48

Quote from: Amo on Wed Mar 18, 2009 - 18:37:15

QuoteI see there are still no scriptures about why Jesus had to wait until 1844.

It has to do with the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Miller and many others believed this event would take place in 1844.  They wrongly believed though, that the sanctuary was the world, and that it would be cleansed by fire.  SDA's believe Millers prophetic calculations were correct, but the event to take place was just what the verse says, only pertaining to the heavenly sanctuary, not the earthly.  Which sanctuary of course, it would have to pertain to, if the prophecy reaches beyond the establishment of the new covenant.  Which is of course, what SDA's believe.

Does this answer your question, or are you asking to see the prophetic calculation itself?

No, I don't want to see a calculation.  Just looking for scripture to back your doctrine up, and it appears to be based more upon the writings of Ellen White and her contemporaries than scripture. 

no, its based on the levitical system.

God certainly did not have to work out this system.  i say that knowing that you do not accept it.  but i would like to point out that it is something that was understood by bible study, like baptism, Father, Son and Holy Spirit-which are not clearly seen without study-just to name a very few.

i asked you before about the levitical system.   why did God have a cleansing of the sanctuary every 7th month?  what was He trying to teach?   these ceremonies were not something moses invented, tho im sure there could have been many people who said he did.

what was God trying to teach in having a morning and evening sacrifice every single day?  and what about the feasts?  what was the point of each of one them year after year?

and i thank you, sir, for this opportunity to review and study deeper.  as im sure you have experienced we get deeper insights and understandings every time we study any subject. 

Are we in the Levitical system?  Some may see me as hardheaded, but I want actual scriptures, not an EGW DaVinci code.

QuoteNo, I don't want to see a calculation.  Just looking for scripture to back your doctrine up, and it appears to be based more upon the writings of Ellen White and her contemporaries than scripture.

Of course, if you simply do not want to see any scriptural evidence for the cleansing of a heavenly sanctuary, then I suppose you won't.  Nevertheless, Daniel speaks of a cleansing of the sanctuary to take place at the end of a certain allotted time.  The particulars of the prophecy, put that cleansing during the new Covenant era.  There is an heavenly sanctuary, where our Savior Jesus Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us.  

Psalm 11  4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. 5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. 6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

God's temple, and his throne are in heaven.

Psalm 18  6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. 7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. 8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. 9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

Psalm 29  4 The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty. 5 The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon. 6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn. 7 The voice of the LORD divideth the flames of fire. 8 The voice of the LORD shaketh the wilderness; the LORD shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh. 9 The voice of the LORD maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory.

Isaiah 6  1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. 3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. 4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. 5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. 6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: 7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

God's throne, is in his temple.  The seraphim mentioned above, are very similar to those mentioned in the book of Revelation who were around the throne.  They also say basically the same thing.  They both have six wings.  In Revelation however, their wings are not covering their faces, so John could see them, and describes them to us more fully.

Habakkuk 2 20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

Micah 1  1 The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. 2 Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. 3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. 4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place

Malachi 3  1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: 3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Hebrews 8  1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.

Exodus 25  8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it

Hebrews 9  1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the showbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;   .......................................
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
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23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The sanctuary that Moses built was made after the pattern which was shown to him.  This pattern, was no doubt the heavenly sanctuary itself.  For the Lord said see that you make it after the pattern of the tabernacle.  What tabernacle do you think he was he talking about?


Revelation 1  4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; ...............................................................
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Exodus 25  31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same..........................................................................................................................
37 And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it. .....................................................
40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.

God's throne is in the temple in heaven.  The golden candlesticks, with seven lamps were made after the pattern shown to Moses.  This pattern, was the candlesticks which John saw in the temple in heaven. There is a temple in heaven, and the temple on earth was modeled after it.

Revelation 4  2 And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Again, God's throne is in the temple in heaven.  The beasts mentioned above, are the seraphim that Isaiah saw in vision of the throne of God, in his temple, that we discussed earlier.  The King James uses the word beast for what Isaiah called seraphim.  Other versions call them living creatures.  Strong's concordance suggests living beings.  The seven lamps of fire are again, the lamps which Moses patterned his after.  That is to the best of human ability.  

Revelation 5  1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. ..........................................
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. .............................
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; .........................................................................................
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.


Revelation 6  9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 7  9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
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15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 8  3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Exodus 27  1 And thou shalt make an altar of shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.

Again, an alter in the temple of heaven, and one in the temple that Moses made after the pattern.


Revelation 11  19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Exodus 25  10 And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.

The ark in the temple in heaven, and the ark Moses made as a pattern of it.

Revelation 14  3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. ..........................................................................................
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. ......................................................................................
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Revelation 15  5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: ...........................................................................
7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. 8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Revelation 16  1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. ...............
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. ..................................................................................
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Again, God's throne is in the temple in heaven.

Revelation 19  4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

There is a temple in heaven.  The visions of John in the book of Revelation take place in the temple in heaven.  God is on his throne in the temple in heaven.  From there, he is in control of everything.  This is the same temple where Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us.  It is the center of activity concerning this fallen and rebellious world.  This temple will exist, until God makes all things new, in the new heaven, and the new earth.  There will no longer be a need for a temple of intercession, for God will be the God of his people, and will be with his people.  God the Father, and the Son will be the temple for their people, in the new heaven, and new earth.

This is why, it is only in the last book of the bible, in the last chapters of the bible, that you read about there being no temple.  In the end, there will be no temple.  This however, is in the new heaven, and new earth, described in the last book, in the last chapters of the bible. This is pointing forward to the time when this rebellious world, and all things pertaining to it, including the temple we are discussing, will be no more.

Revelation 21  1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ..................................................
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. ...............................................
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.






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Great post..

Quote from: Gary on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:14:40
When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

Just read about the rituals of High priest in the Earthly temple and you will get a better idea.

Quote from: Bon Voyage on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:14:40
When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

He has to go before the Father to go over each saint or sinner.

Quote from: Bon Voyage on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:14:40
When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

Christ said it is finished, and so it was.  There was no need to cleanse the heavenly sanctuary.  This is more made up codswallop by SDAs.

Quote from: Bon Voyage on Tue Mar 17, 2009 - 21:19:19I see there are still no scriptures about why Jesus had to wait until 1844.

How could there be a judgement if Christ had not shed His blood at the cross to save man, what would have happened to Adam, or Abraham, to say nothing of Moses...

Quote from: piecrust on Wed May 29, 2019 - 17:05:47Christ said it is finished, and so it was.  There was no need to cleanse the heavenly sanctuary.  This is more made up codswallop by SDAs.

What exactly was finished? What is the entire New Testament about? How was something that was finished, turn into the New Testament writings, and the great commission to preach the gospel to the entire world? The predicted sacrifice was finished, which sacrifice began the giving of the gospel of Jesus Christ with power to the entire world. Regarding the acceptance or rejection of God's plan of salvation through Christ Jesus our Lord. Concerning which every single person will be judged unto eternal life or eternal damnation, according to that decision.

Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Jhn 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. 31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. 5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? 6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The promised sacrifice was finished by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but the real judgement of this world had just begun. By the acceptance or rejection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ's sacrifice, and intercession on our behalf before the Father in the sanctuary above. Therefore does the evil one continually work to inspire humanity to reject our Lord's sacrifice and or intercession before our Father in heaven. Even inspiring the creation and teaching of a bloodless sacrifice for humanity in the place of our Lord's once and for all sacrifice, and a false system of intercession as well for the forgiveness of our sins to replace our Lord's very own intercession regarding the same. Worse yet, perpetrating these deceptions through a professed "Christian" entity, which declares itself to be the one and only true Church of Christ. Who have set themselves up in the temple of God, as though they were God.

Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Quote from: Bon Voyage on Sun Mar 15, 2009 - 10:14:40When "It was finished" at the death and resurrection of Christ, why did Christ need to do whatever in the "Heavenly Sanctuary" in 1844?

The earthly sanctuary was the example pointing to the true one in heaven, type and antitype.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1Co 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Why will professed Christians deny the temple of God of the New covenant era, and the direct connection of the body of Christ which is the Church of Christ, with it? Thereby also denying the cleansing of the sanctuary or body of Christ as well, before our Lord returns bringing His reward for His faithful servants or not, with Him. Is this not to aid and abet the enemy of souls, who does not wish for the cleansing of God's sanctuary and or therefore people from sin?

2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

And what man or institution has set itself up in the temple of God as though he or it were God, casting down and replacing the truths of God's word pertaining to the forgiveness of our sins, our sanctification and cleansing by, in, and through Christ alone? The High Priest of our confession, who ever liveth to make intercession for us in the temple or sanctuary of heaven.

Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Choose you this day whom you will worship and serve, and at which temple you will bow. At the temple of the usurper and man of sin, who has set himself up in the temple of God as though he were God. Casting the truth of the word of God to this earth where he foists his own authority over those who claim to be Christ's own? Or to the One who is the temple of God itself? The head of the body of Christ, which is His church? Through whom alone anyone can be forgiven of their sins, and cleansed from all unrighteousness? Amen.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Jhn 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up. 18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Quote from: Amo on Fri Mar 20, 2009 - 21:28:05Of course, if you simply do not want to see any scriptural evidence for the cleansing of a heavenly sanctuary, then I suppose you won't.  Nevertheless, Daniel speaks of a cleansing of the sanctuary to take place at the end of a certain allotted time.  The particulars of the prophecy, put that cleansing during the new Covenant era.  There is an heavenly sanctuary, where our Savior Jesus Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us. 

Psalm 11  4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. 5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. 6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

God's temple, and his throne are in heaven.

Psalm 18  6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. 7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. 8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. 9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

Psalm 29  4 The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty. 5 The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon. 6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn. 7 The voice of the LORD divideth the flames of fire. 8 The voice of the LORD shaketh the wilderness; the LORD shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh. 9 The voice of the LORD maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory.

Isaiah 6  1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. 3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. 4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. 5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. 6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: 7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

God's throne, is in his temple.  The seraphim mentioned above, are very similar to those mentioned in the book of Revelation who were around the throne.  They also say basically the same thing.  They both have six wings.  In Revelation however, their wings are not covering their faces, so John could see them, and describes them to us more fully.

Habakkuk 2 20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

Micah 1  1 The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. 2 Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. 3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. 4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place

Malachi 3  1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: 3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Hebrews 8  1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.

Exodus 25  8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it

Hebrews 9  1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the showbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;   .......................................
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
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23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The sanctuary that Moses built was made after the pattern which was shown to him.  This pattern, was no doubt the heavenly sanctuary itself.  For the Lord said see that you make it after the pattern of the tabernacle.  What tabernacle do you think he was he talking about?


Revelation 1  4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; ...............................................................
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Exodus 25  31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same..........................................................................................................................
37 And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it. .....................................................
40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.

God's throne is in the temple in heaven.  The golden candlesticks, with seven lamps were made after the pattern shown to Moses.  This pattern, was the candlesticks which John saw in the temple in heaven. There is a temple in heaven, and the temple on earth was modeled after it.

Revelation 4  2 And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Again, God's throne is in the temple in heaven.  The beasts mentioned above, are the seraphim that Isaiah saw in vision of the throne of God, in his temple, that we discussed earlier.  The King James uses the word beast for what Isaiah called seraphim.  Other versions call them living creatures.  Strong's concordance suggests living beings.  The seven lamps of fire are again, the lamps which Moses patterned his after.  That is to the best of human ability. 

Revelation 5  1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. ..........................................
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. .............................
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; .........................................................................................
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.


Revelation 6  9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 7  9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
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15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 8  3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Exodus 27  1 And thou shalt make an altar of shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.

Again, an alter in the temple of heaven, and one in the temple that Moses made after the pattern.


Revelation 11  19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Exodus 25  10 And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.

The ark in the temple in heaven, and the ark Moses made as a pattern of it.

Revelation 14  3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. ..........................................................................................
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. ......................................................................................
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Revelation 15  5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: ...........................................................................
7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. 8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Revelation 16  1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. ...............
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. ..................................................................................
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Again, God's throne is in the temple in heaven.

Revelation 19  4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

There is a temple in heaven.  The visions of John in the book of Revelation take place in the temple in heaven.  God is on his throne in the temple in heaven.  From there, he is in control of everything.  This is the same temple where Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us.  It is the center of activity concerning this fallen and rebellious world.  This temple will exist, until God makes all things new, in the new heaven, and the new earth.  There will no longer be a need for a temple of intercession, for God will be the God of his people, and will be with his people.  God the Father, and the Son will be the temple for their people, in the new heaven, and new earth.

This is why, it is only in the last book of the bible, in the last chapters of the bible, that you read about there being no temple.  In the end, there will be no temple.  This however, is in the new heaven, and new earth, described in the last book, in the last chapters of the bible. This is pointing forward to the time when this rebellious world, and all things pertaining to it, including the temple we are discussing, will be no more.

Revelation 21  1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ..................................................
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. ...............................................
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.






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AMO, with your permission, I am working on my notes and looking to do a sermon. I would like to use this, if that's OK.