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Yup, nothing more unchristian than praying for a departed loved one.  Good thing Protestants don't do that.

Here is a picture of policmen "worshiping" an icon of their departed brother.

I'm not Catholic or Orthodox, but I think Wayne's comments are over the top.

Wayne, you should learn a little about iconography and about the beliefs of other Christians before making blanket condemnations. It would make you appear less juvenile and foolish. You may still not agree with their stance on icons and images, but I suspect you would be less accusatory and judgmental if you understood the truth.

Quote from: mike on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:09:22
I'm not Catholic or Orthodox, but I think Wayne's comments are over the top.

Wayne, you should learn a little about iconography and about the beliefs of other Christians before making blanket condemnations. It would make you appear less juvenile and foolish. You may still not agree with their stance on icons and images, but I suspect you would be less accusatory and judgmental if you understood the truth.

ok, thats fair. ill let the pics do the talking. but sometimes i cant help but make a small comment. like where its from and what have you. my comments might be over the top, but we are in a spiritual battle for or existance. where will we wake up one day. eternal fire or life everlasting with the father. you want me to just SHUT UP?

[ Pope Benedict XVI, Joseph Ratzinger, former Hitler youth.

Quote from: wayne on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:14:11

Quote from: mike on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:09:22
I'm not Catholic or Orthodox, but I think Wayne's comments are over the top.

Wayne, you should learn a little about iconography and about the beliefs of other Christians before making blanket condemnations. It would make you appear less juvenile and foolish. You may still not agree with their stance on icons and images, but I suspect you would be less accusatory and judgmental if you understood the truth.

ok, thats fair. ill let the pics do the talking. but sometimes i cant help but make a small comment. like where its from and what have you. my comments might be over the top, but we are in a spiritual battle for or existance. where will we wake up one day. eternal fire or life everlasting with the father. you want me to just SHUT UP?

No, keep talking. But listen also. Have a real conversation and try to learn. Please don't be so quick to condemn what you don't understand fully.
Thank you.

nothice the twisted cross. this staff gets passed on from pope to pope . ratzinger has it now. look how the cross is bent and twisted. googe..twisted cross...i almost forgot. notice the babylonian fish hat. google that too

From Wiki:  "Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted in the Hitler Youth, as membership was required for all 14-year old German boys after December 1939, but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings. His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith, according to biographer John L. Allen, Jr. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime to a care center and killed there in secrecy during the Aktion T4 euthanasia campaign of Nazi eugenics.

From USA Today:

New pope defied Nazis as teen during WWII

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-04-23-new-pope-defied-Nazis_x.htm

I post this for others Mike.  It won't matter to wayne.  The truth does not matter to him.

Quote from: mike on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:19:12

Quote from: wayne on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:14:11

Quote from: mike on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:09:22
I'm not Catholic or Orthodox, but I think Wayne's comments are over the top.

Wayne, you should learn a little about iconography and about the beliefs of other Christians before making blanket condemnations. It would make you appear less juvenile and foolish. You may still not agree with their stance on icons and images, but I suspect you would be less accusatory and judgmental if you understood the truth.

ok, thats fair. ill let the pics do the talking. but sometimes i cant help but make a small comment. like where its from and what have you. my comments might be over the top, but we are in a spiritual battle for or existance. where will we wake up one day. eternal fire or life everlasting with the father. you want me to just SHUT UP?

No, keep talking. But listen also. Have a real conversation and try to learn. Please don't be so quick to condemn what you don't understand fully.
Thank you.

i have eyes. i can see

Quote from: wayne on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:27:38

Quote from: mike on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:19:12

Quote from: wayne on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:14:11

Quote from: mike on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 14:09:22
I'm not Catholic or Orthodox, but I think Wayne's comments are over the top.

Wayne, you should learn a little about iconography and about the beliefs of other Christians before making blanket condemnations. It would make you appear less juvenile and foolish. You may still not agree with their stance on icons and images, but I suspect you would be less accusatory and judgmental if you understood the truth.

ok, thats fair. ill let the pics do the talking. but sometimes i cant help but make a small comment. like where its from and what have you. my comments might be over the top, but we are in a spiritual battle for or existance. where will we wake up one day. eternal fire or life everlasting with the father. you want me to just SHUT UP?

No, keep talking. But listen also. Have a real conversation and try to learn. Please don't be so quick to condemn what you don't understand fully.
Thank you.

i have eyes. i can see

Isa. 44:18   

this place is just chock full of idols and images. the old man is standing there orchestrating all this for the children.....yes my children. we have statues and idols aplenty.

whoa, thats a scary one. even gives me the heebeegeebees

the last time the vatican ruled the western world, it was called the dark ages. its going to have a second change. the beast that was, and is not, yet is. this time it will be called the time of jacobs trouble, or tribulation. the world will have never seen such trouble, not since the beginning. 500 yrs ago i would be burned at the stake for what im saying.

Look at her hands.  Do you see the scars of crucifixion?  Did Mary die on the cross for you?  No!  This photo to the left is blasphemous and creepy!  Does this bother you?  It should.  Look at the caption.  It says, Mary, Co-Redemptrix (or co-redeemer).  Look again... it says she our "advocate"--but wait a minute.  1st John 2:1 says that Jesus is our advocate with the Father.

"Sine dominico non possumus!

Here we see the statue of St Peter, the so called first Pope of the Roman Catholic church. This statue by the way was first called "JUPITER" in the Pagan temples of Rome, it was later moved to the Vatican and renamed "St. Peter."

If you look closely you will see how the right foot is extended forward on the pedestal so that WORSHIPERS can come forward to BOW DOWN and KISS the foot.

In fact, so many people have kissed this foot that the finished has worn off of it completely! The golden bronze has been revealed underneath, and the features of the toe have been almost completely rubbed away from the soft kisses of the worshipping Catholics.

Seeing how Peter is "supposed" to be the first Pope of the Roman Catholic church, it is obvious the church not only condones

Look at the faces of these young people! SHAME ON THEIR PARENTS! They have taught them to worship a mere man! A Man prophecy defines as the man of sin!
my guess is that old baboon scared her half to death

Quote from: wayne""Sine dominico non possumus!

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QuoteIs it a "vain repetition to meditate on the mysteries of the Rosary such as the Annunciation, the  Agony in the Garden or the Resurrection of our Lord?  Those are the Rosary prayers.

Not in my book  -anything that focuses our minds, thoughts on the Jesus' life is wonderful.
Thank you, desertknight, for the clarification on the Greek translation on repetitions, I think that was you way back on Page one.

I still look at the dried flower from a special occasion --- gee - how horrible I should remember a special time in my heart by holding a "symbol" to bring my heart closer to a memory  - an intangible thing here in this 3rd Dimension to keep my heart "not hardened".  

I'm not Catholic, btw ---I'm a Catholic, Protestant, Anything Sympathiser. ( Which really p*sses people off for some reason----eek! a moderate, tolerant, easy going person ---


Third eye -satanic??? -Since when?? It is the Seat of the Soul, the pineal gland where if anyone focuses is the Light of God, dah!   If Thine eye be single thy whole body will be full of Light.   ---- Oh, I forgot -that must mean ----it's symbolic and not actual...so therefore, satanic ---silly me, sorry.


Sorry, I didn't put a sarcasm warning at the beginning ---I'm usually not sarcastic ---but after looking at 4 pages - I changed ----I will retreat and be calmer soon.

 

dont worry about it Elaine. just keep on keepin on.

HEY, anybody ever wonder why a catholic mass church service sounds more like a funeral? look around. dead people called saints and poor mary, mother of jesus, who is dead also, they are all proped up over every catholic church on earth. in chechoslavakia they have a skull they worship. its all about the dead. that why it sounds like a funeral, cause it is. its a religion started by the dead, of the dead and for the dead.

Quote from: wayne on Sun Jul 19, 2009 - 17:28:30
dont worry about it Elaine. just keep on keepin on.

Thank you for not attacking me. Much appreciated.

  As you look closely at this picture, you simply cannot miss the blasphemous Satanic Inverted Cross behind the head of the seated Pontiff.  In fact, this Inverted Cross is so jarring to my senses that I cannot look at it for more than a few moments before I have to look away.  Of all the Satanic symbols, the Inverted Cross is the most cruel caricature of the true   
     Cross of Calvary.  I simply cannot stand the sight of the cross upon which my Savior died for my sins -- and yours -- turned upside down to depict Antichrist. Remember, the true definition of Antichrist is "he who comes in the guise of Christ".

Make no mistake about the fact that the Inverted Cross predates that other Vatican symbol for Antichrist,



the Twisted Crucifix, which this Pope has been using at every stop on this trip to the Middle East.

Honey pie ----don't you think that the carving in the stone of the cross goes all the way down behind him and it's not inverted at all?

I'm concerned about your blood pressure. 

hi elaine. i thought of that the first time i saw this photo. i have side pics that show it stops where you see it in the pic i gave. ill post the other one though. i know, it seems nuts to assume this, which was my first thought. but the evidence just keeps coming. i didnt think eveil of the catholic church until i was led to all this stuff.

this is a pic during opening ceremonies befor the pope gave his monolouge.

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." [Matthew 7:15] 

Quote from: wayne on Mon Jul 20, 2009 - 13:04:19
 As you look closely at this picture, you simply cannot miss the blasphemous Satanic Inverted Cross behind the head of the seated Pontiff.  In fact, this Inverted Cross is so jarring to my senses that I cannot look at it for more than a few moments before I have to look away.  Of all the Satanic symbols, the Inverted Cross is the most cruel caricature of the true    
    Cross of Calvary.  I simply cannot stand the sight of the cross upon which my Savior died for my sins -- and yours -- turned upside down to depict Antichrist. Remember, the true definition of Antichrist is "he who comes in the guise of Christ".

Make no mistake about the fact that the Inverted Cross predates that other Vatican symbol for Antichrist,



the Twisted Crucifix, which this Pope has been using at every stop on this trip to the Middle East.

FYI... the upside down cross is called "St. Peter's Cross."  It appears that way because tradition says that the Apostle Peter was crucified upside down.  So, it is the Roman Catholic symbol of Peter.  It's on the chair where the Pope sits because that is said to be the chair of Peter, since the RCC teaches that the Bishop of Rome sits in the chair of St. Peter (who they consider to be the first Pope).

So, it's not Satanic.  It's symbolic of the Apostle Peter.  Try to at least learn what these things mean instead of just wildly making up things from your imagination or the imagination of others.  

I'm not defending the idea that Peter was the first Pope.  I'm just telling you that the idea of the upside down cross being Satanic in this case is silly... not to mention ignorant.

Wayne,
What the heck is up with THAT?!!!   That's very weird and surprising to me....

Now don't get me wrong - I've read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and think the RCC is an evil empire  (pretty much)----it's just that the lay people and their intentions are so sweet --that's where I come from if I defend anything relating to the Catholics.

It's the innocents and their heartfelt intentions. I do believe they know it is only a symbol.   But that's from talking as a child to my Czech relatives ---they clearly wanted me to know about some higher, cosmic, unseen God ---they clearly indicated to me that a statue was not the real deal.   So I am indeed a Roman Catholic sympathizer.

But not a clergy, RCC hierarchy sympathizer ---tho I was partial to Pope John Paul...

Quote from: Elaine on Mon Jul 20, 2009 - 13:35:05
Wayne,
What the heck is up with THAT?!!!   That's very weird and surprising to me....

Now don't get me wrong - I've read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and think the RCC is an evil empire  (pretty much)----it's just that the lay people and their intentions are so sweet --that's where I come from if I defend anything relating to the Catholics.

It's the innocents and their heartfelt intentions. I do believe they know it is only a symbol.   But that's from talking as a child to my Czech relatives ---they clearly wanted me to know about some higher, cosmic, unseen God ---they clearly indicated to me that a statue was not the real deal.   So I am indeed a Roman Catholic sympathizer.

But not a clergy, RCC hierarchy sympathizer ---tho I was partial to Pope John Paul...

Elaine, make sure you read my post right above yours.

The upside down cross is called "St. Peter's Cross" since the Apostle Peter was put to death by being crucificed upside down.  That cross appears on the Pope's chair because they believe that the Pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is a successor of the Apostle Peter (who the RCC believes was the first Pope).

DCR,
Oh, well that's sweet to honor St. Peter.

I'm not big on things being all secret satanic symbols, I may have gotten a bit swept up for a second.   It did seem surprising at first tho ----but everything has an explanation, imo.

Thank you DCR...:)