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Ah yes, the issue that just won't go away because Obama won't do what it takes to make it go away. He's spent around 1 million dollars in lawyer fees to keep from producing his birth certificate and he won't release his law school records, his law review records, his Columbia records, his university records. He hasn't released a lot of things.

"The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama's honesty, not where he was born" says Andrew McCarthy.

A fascinating read awaits HERE on the man who keeps hiding who he is.

This thing could easily be shut down if Obama would just release the birth certificate. You remember the liberal media and the Dan Rather business? Dan Rather, faked documents. Mary Mapes and Dan Rather faked documents to show that Bush skipped out of National Guard service. When it comes to Republicans their history is filtered through for anything (like how the media invaded Wasilla to find any dirt on Sarah Palin they could and how Bush's history was combed through for any crumb that might paint him in a bad light).

But the mainstream liberal media is so UNcurious about Obama's very foggy and disturbing history and his refusal to allow the American people to see.

Read a time line and some very important questions that remain unanswered at http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU=

We should be used to this, huh Lee?

Just my prediction........it will come out eventually, which I believe is why they are trying sooooo hard to get so many things passed so quickly and so soon. Then HE can end up being the "bad" guy, the "fall" guy if you will, but......then, it will be too late to do anything about it. And "they" can put all the blame on the guy who isn't there anymore.

I dunno, just a thought.

Whether Obama is a legit citizen or not, he campaigned on transparency and we have a right to see these original documents as he is our elected president, had a right to see them before he became president.  Being president does not nullify that right.

One doesn't spend a million dollars to hide something unless there is something to hide.  Like the truth.

BTW, thanks for the National Review link.  McCarthy's article is lengthy, but very well written.  He poses the right questions for the right reasons.
 

 What I find disturbing congress ( unlike with John McCain) refused to have a hearing on this before the election, also the courts keep shooting it down, and did before the election. Not only that people still voted for him, knowing this was an issue.

My friend wants to know are these documents required when you become an officer in the US govornment (senator, congressemen, etc )

Maybe he was also immaculately birthed.

Quote from: zoonance on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 17:41:10
Maybe he was also immaculately birthed.

Not unless he is the spawn of you know who.

Why should he.

Quote from: Hotrod on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:06:28
Why should he.

LOL, like you'd be asking that if a Republican had refused to provide this information. We don't even know if he's eligible to be President! He's spent a million dollars preventing that information to be provided to us. Any honest person would have at least a mild curiosity over why anyone, especially the President of the United States, would spend such an unthinkable amount of money hiding a birth certificate. What is he hiding?

All President Obama has to do is produce his birth certificate and yet he has spent a fortune on lawyers to hide it. If you were honest with yourself and not simply a partisan you'd see that that is a fair question to ask of the United States of America.

Quote from: leeford on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:16:01

Quote from: Hotrod on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:06:28
Why should he.

LOL, like you'd be asking that if a Republican had refused to provide this information. We don't even know if he's eligible to be President! He's spent a million dollars preventing that information to be provided to us. Any honest person would have at least a mild curiosity over why anyone, especially the President of the United States, would spend such an unthinkable amount of money hiding a birth certificate. What is he hiding?

All President Obama has to do is produce his birth certificate and yet he has spent a fortune on lawyers to hide it. If you were honest with yourself and not simply a partisan you'd see that that is a fair question to ask of the United States of America.

I never bought into the conspiracy that President Bush was drinking again for example.
I don't buy into nutjob conspiracies anymore then Area 51 has to prove there are not dead little green men in their possession.

HERE: SNOPES

btw, just curious, this is an interesting claim:

"He's spent around 1 million dollars in lawyer fees to keep from producing his birth certificate"

...is there any support for that?

So it's nutjob if it's not good news? And that SNOPES article has been shown to be insufficient as you can see in the follow video.



I found this quote that sums it up nicely:

"MSNBC and NYTimes and Obama himself attacked McCain on this issue, claiming that he needed to prove his citizenship since he was born in the Canal zone. They hounded him until he produced his birth certificate. Then Obama has the nerve to refuse to produce his when a question arises?"

Quote from: Hotrod on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:06:28
Why should he.

Many reasons, but number 1:

Because he campaigned on the promise of "transparency".


Yet, he is the most secretive we have ever had.

Most definitely.

Quote from: Hotrod on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:43:28
btw, just curious, this is an interesting claim:

"He's spent around 1 million dollars in lawyer fees to keep from producing his birth certificate"

...is there any support for that?

I've seen it quoted in AP articles, CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews and even heard NPR radio state that he was nearing 1 million. Here's a few links I found:

http://www.tampabaytribune.com says, "a study from the United States Justice Foundation has released information showing that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds with 11 law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records."

Obama gladly showed the world his tax returns, but has spent nearly a million keeping people from seeing his birth certificate. All he has to do is show it. That's it!

I've heard all the major media sources cite it's "nearing 1 million dollars." Feel free to cloud the issue if you want, but if you want to look around you'll see that no one is questioning he has spent nearly a million blocking his birth certificate from being produced.

The article by McCarthy admits that the birther conspiracy theory is "crazy stuff" before trying to frame it as one part of a bigger narrative of Obama being deceptive about his personal history.  A politician embellishing his biography, emphasizing some parts rather than others, etc.  Quite shocking indeed. 

Anyway, presumably you guys are familiar with these members of the "mainstream liberal media"

QuoteThere may be a seed of a legitimate constitutional issue to explore here (how is the citizenship requirement enforced for presidential candidates, anyway?) And at least Donofrio concedes that Obama was born in Hawaii. But a dangerously large segment of the birth certificate hunters have lurched into rabid Truther territory. The most prominent crusader against Obama's American citizenship claim, lawyer Philip Berg (who, not coincidentally, is also a prominent 9/11 Truther), disputes that Obama was born in Hawaii and claims that Obama's paternal grandmother told him she saw Obama born in Kenya.

Berg and his supporters further assert that the "Certification of Live Birth

If he has nothing to hide, as a "transparent" president he should produce all requested documents.

There is no reason not to, and every reason to.

Quote from: leeford on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:51:35
So it's nutjob if it's not good news? And that SNOPES article has been shown to be insufficient as you can see in the follow video.

I found this quote that sums it up nicely:

"MSNBC and NYTimes and Obama himself attacked McCain on this issue, claiming that he needed to prove his citizenship since he was born in the Canal zone. They hounded him until he produced his birth certificate. Then Obama has the nerve to refuse to produce his when a question arises?"

Great...argument via YouTube videos....no wonder America is awashed in low information voters.

Quote from: phoebe on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:55:51

Quote from: Hotrod on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:06:28
Why should he.

Many reasons, but number 1:

Because he campaigned on the promise of "transparency".


Yet, he is the most secretive we have ever had.

He campaigned on Government transparency and laid down exactly what he meant. The idea he has to beat down every whacky accusation by the nuttery crowd is not what he meant.

Quote from: leeford on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 22:18:09

Quote from: Hotrod on Sat Aug 01, 2009 - 21:43:28
btw, just curious, this is an interesting claim:

"He's spent around 1 million dollars in lawyer fees to keep from producing his birth certificate"

...is there any support for that?

I've seen it quoted in AP articles, CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews and even heard NPR radio state that he was nearing 1 million. Here's a few links I found:

http://www.tampabaytribune.com says, "a study from the United States Justice Foundation has released information showing that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds with 11 law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records."

Obama gladly showed the world his tax returns, but has spent nearly a million keeping people from seeing his birth certificate. All he has to do is show it. That's it!

I've heard all the major media sources cite it's "nearing 1 million dollars." Feel free to cloud the issue if you want, but if you want to look around you'll see that no one is questioning he has spent nearly a million blocking his birth certificate from being produced.

UrbanLegends.com:

"Did Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation release a study showing Obama has spent $950,000 in campaign funds to fight litigation over his legitimacy?
I could find no record of such a study being published. The Foundation does exist and its Executive Director is a man named Gary Kreep, but he is on record as saying this story is a hoax."

I can not find that study on the United States Justice Foundation site as well nor does your link take me to that article from the Tampa tribune, nor does any search bring up that study from the USJF.

I think it was Bill O'Reilly (not a believer in the birth certificate conspiracy) the other night that said that the Left wants nothing more than to keep the "Birther" conspiracies going so as to discredit the right. It's working! The right is a willing participants in their own demise. The promised transparency on this issue would spoil the fun. Marginalization is the name of the game. Sometimes the right pushes the snowball from behind, sometimes they pull it from in front.  

Quote from: Jaime on Sun Aug 02, 2009 - 12:39:59
I think it was Bill O'Reilly (not a believer in the birth certificate conspiracy) the other night that said that the Left wants nothing more than to keep the "Birther" conspiracies going so as to discredit the right. It's working! The right is a willing participants in their own demise. The promised transparency on this issue would spoil the fun. Marginalization is the name of the game. Sometimes the right pushes the snowball from behind, sometimes they pull it from in front.  

What "promised transparency on this issue...."?

Obama was specifically talking about functions of Government, not satisfying the nuttery of whackos. I mean what's next for him to prove the Right wing radio whacko's accusations that he is not a secret Muslim or someone who hates whites?

The premise of the United States Justice Foundation study...please note the April Fool's day date: Snopes....disclosing and dispelling one idiot at a time.

Hotrod, I think we agree more or less on this. If Obama presented his birth certificate, it would take away the opportunity for some on the right to look foolish.

Quote from: Jaime on Sun Aug 02, 2009 - 14:11:42
Hotrod, I think we agree more or less on this. If Obama presented his birth certificate, it would take away the opportunity for some on the right to look foolish.

I'm framing this. 

Hotrod, the right is your own to be intellectually dishonest about the amount Barack has spent. Even someone casually familiar with the price of lawyers knows that the money he spent on lawyers during the campaign and against Democrat Phil Berg during and after amount to many hundreds of thousands. As I said before, CNN, MSNBC and Fox News have all said that the amount Obama has spent in legal fees to keep from having to show his birth certificate to the public is nearing 1 million dollars. You can choose to ignore that or not.

So Hotrod, I have three questions. I'm sure that it makes me a nutjob since I question something that a liberal is or is not doing, but that's life.

1. Do you think it shows integrity and transparency for Barack Obama to make it an issue for McCain to produce his birth certificate and confirm with the proper authorities that he was a natural born citizen, yet Obama himself refuses to provide the same information and has hired a legal team to keep him from having to do what he demanded of John McCain?

2. Can you give me a good reason for Barack Obama to refuse to provide his birth certificate?

3. What would he not want for people to see that his birth certificate would reveal?

James, if Obama revealed his Birth certificate only a few would look foolish. If he doesn't many more on the right might join in, and well look foolish. To the Left the more on the right that look foolish, the merrier.

I remember now, it was Bernie Goldberg on Bill O'Reilly's show:

If Obama's birth certificate was not genuine, Hillary Clinton would be the President of the United States of America right now.

Ol' HRC is no slouch.  Her and the folks she surrounded herself with wouldn't have let something like this pass them by.

It's time to bury the "birther" nonsense.  We might as well be talking about Bilderburgers and Illuminati, and the Supreme Warlords of the 5th Dimension.

Quote from: Jaime on Sun Aug 02, 2009 - 15:13:59
James, if Obama revealed his Birth certificate only a few would look foolish. If he doesn't many more on the right might join in, and well look foolish. To the Left the more on the right that look foolish, the merrier.

I remember now, it was Bernie Goldberg on Bill O'Reilly's show:

video link

  What did you read into my post?     I only thought you and Hotrod being in agreement was a Kodak moment.  

LOL, well it could be a political ploy that they think will make the opposition look bad. But if I were defending a candidate I supported for not providing something as basic as a birth certificate, and spending nearly a million dollars in blocking it from being seen, I'd be embarrassed. There's no excuse for it. It's not like we're wanting to know why he got detention in 10th grade or something. He demanded McCain prove it and McCain not only provided his birth certificate but went through the proper channels to certify that he was natural born. And yet Obama, the hypocrite, won't even produce his birth certificate.

I don't believe it's not hurting him politically. Even recently I've overheard people who voted for Obama talking about how "creepy" it is that he won't provide something as basic and simple as his birth certificate when he's our President. If this were a Republican all the media would be talking about it and the Senate would have a bill to force the Republican President to produce it. Jessie Jackson and Oprah would be in front of the White House protesting. It would be a circus. But this President won't even provide his birth certificate and so many of his sheep-like followers are defending him....without even naming a legitimate excuse for why on earth he'd hide it.

It's historically pathetic.

The folks I know that voted for Obama and aren't happy, don't care about the birth certificate.  Don't even talk about it.

They talk about their health care getting worse, bailouts of GM and Chrysler and the banks, the stimulus package, the possibility of their electricity bill going up because of cap & trade (but to be fair McCain spoke of support for most of this garbage).

Quote from: Gary on Sun Aug 02, 2009 - 15:49:31
but to be fair McCain spoke of support for most of this garbage.

I'm hip.  That's why most all the conservatives I know just sorta shrugged at the election results.  The liberal in the liberal t-shirt won instead of the liberal in the kinda-little-bit-conservative-as-long-as-liberals-don't-complain t-shirt.

 I lost my SS card, had to provide Birth Certificate, and marriage license. When I enrolled my children in public school, they had to have a Birth Certificate. Drivers license, a real copy must be provided. I have had jobs requiring birth certificate, and SS card. So if me, no one of importance has to have proof, for these things why not Obama? Why does he fight it so much. It should be required, just as our college transcripts, and drug testing, and so on for us average Jane and John Does. If he had nothing to hide, he would not hide it. He is the president, and our constitution, seems to require proof of his citizenship, rather he wants to or not. Why is it even a choice for him.

I hope this country can come up with a party to replace the Republicans soon, because this country needs at least two viable parties, and the Republicans are showing strong signs of self-destructing.