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Quote from: Gary on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 22:05:42

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 21:38:35

Quote from: Mac on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 20:38:15

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 19:01:44
This is a very serious question:  if you're afraid of losing freedom, why are you so willing to disenfranchise those of us who voted for Obama? 

It is easy for me to "disenfranchise" you. If you voted for Obama, you and I have NOTHING in common.

Mac, are you aware that 'disenfranchise' means to deprive someone of the right of citizenship - the right to vote? 

Are you trying to say that the votes of people who have nothing in common with you should not count?

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And I will repeat what I posted before. I do not see how, a self proclaiming Christian, could have voted for a man that stands for EVERYTHING our Lord and Savior would stand against. Amazing.

I don't doubt that at all.  I can tell from your previous posts that there are many, many things which you don't understand.

QuoteSocialism and America do not mix

True.  More pertinent to discussion on this site, though, is that apparently 'conservative' and 'democracy' no longer mix.  Sad.

The problem is partisans who are blind to truth.  It often appears from your posting, that you qualify as a partisan.

Shouldn't someone stand up and say 'that's not true'?  How often is that person you?

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 22:40:37

Quote from: Gary on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 22:05:42

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 21:38:35

Quote from: Mac on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 20:38:15

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 19:01:44
This is a very serious question:  if you're afraid of losing freedom, why are you so willing to disenfranchise those of us who voted for Obama? 

It is easy for me to "disenfranchise" you. If you voted for Obama, you and I have NOTHING in common.

Mac, are you aware that 'disenfranchise' means to deprive someone of the right of citizenship - the right to vote? 

Are you trying to say that the votes of people who have nothing in common with you should not count?

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And I will repeat what I posted before. I do not see how, a self proclaiming Christian, could have voted for a man that stands for EVERYTHING our Lord and Savior would stand against. Amazing.

I don't doubt that at all.  I can tell from your previous posts that there are many, many things which you don't understand.

QuoteSocialism and America do not mix

True.  More pertinent to discussion on this site, though, is that apparently 'conservative' and 'democracy' no longer mix.  Sad.

The problem is partisans who are blind to truth.  It often appears from your posting, that you qualify as a partisan.

Shouldn't someone stand up and say 'that's not true'?  How often is that person you?

Often enough.  Read through this thread, and the "birther" thread.

Quote from: Gary on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 22:43:36

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 22:40:37

Quote from: Gary on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 22:05:42

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 21:38:35

Quote from: Mac on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 20:38:15

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 19:01:44
This is a very serious question:  if you're afraid of losing freedom, why are you so willing to disenfranchise those of us who voted for Obama? 

It is easy for me to "disenfranchise" you. If you voted for Obama, you and I have NOTHING in common.

Mac, are you aware that 'disenfranchise' means to deprive someone of the right of citizenship - the right to vote? 

Are you trying to say that the votes of people who have nothing in common with you should not count?

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And I will repeat what I posted before. I do not see how, a self proclaiming Christian, could have voted for a man that stands for EVERYTHING our Lord and Savior would stand against. Amazing.

I don't doubt that at all.  I can tell from your previous posts that there are many, many things which you don't understand.

QuoteSocialism and America do not mix

True.  More pertinent to discussion on this site, though, is that apparently 'conservative' and 'democracy' no longer mix.  Sad.

The problem is partisans who are blind to truth.  It often appears from your posting, that you qualify as a partisan.

Shouldn't someone stand up and say 'that's not true'?  How often is that person you?

Often enough.  Read through this thread, and the "birther" thread.

Fair enough. 

On the other hand, is there such a thing as 'often enough' in the face of lunacy like the 'Obama is the anti-Christ' thread? 

Quote from: marc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 18:05:40
....

Face it; part of living in a democracy is that the other guy wins sometimes.

That's right, in a democracy the numbers are what count.  Someone who works hard his whole life and someone who does nothing; their votes count exactly the same. 

You would prefer another system? 

Quote from: marc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 23:19:06
You would prefer another system? 

Too bad the government doesn't look at people the same way their "domocracy" looks at them? 

Quote from: marc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 21:30:40
I'm talking about the  garbage Mac just spewed primarily, but it really fits in with the birther nonsense and j-man's illuminati delusion.

What "garbage" did I spew?

Is it garbage because you do not agree with it?

I hope you are not talking about the antichrist thing. Let me do this again...

"I NEVER SAID THAT HE IS/WAS/WILL BE THE ANTICHRIST. I ONLY SAID THAT THE VIDEO WAS EERIE.."

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 21:38:35
Mac, are you aware that 'disenfranchise' means to deprive someone of the right of citizenship - the right to vote?

I am aware of what it means.

If moving this country towards socialism is the common goal, and that is his agenda, I do not believe that should be allowed.

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 21:38:35
Are you trying to say that the votes of people who have nothing in common with you should not count?

No, I did not say that. Disagree with me all you like. But the line should stop at trying to change our basic government structure.. Socialism is not Democracy. Socialism is not America.

Quote from: kmv on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 21:38:35
I don't doubt that at all.  I can tell from your previous posts that there are many, many things which you don't understand.

Would you like to be a little more specific of the many, many things I do not understand? I can hardly wait for an elitist to enlighten me on all my errant ways.

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True.  More pertinent to discussion on this site, though, is that apparently 'conservative' and 'democracy' no longer mix.  Sad.

No, conservatism and liberal socialism do not mix. Whether you admit it or not, he is a socialist. And just for good measure, here is a definition for you...

so·cial·ism  (sō'shə-lĭz'əm)    
n.  
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

Quote from: Mac on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 20:38:15

.... I do not see how, a self proclaiming Christian, could have voted for a man that stands for EVERYTHING our Lord and Savior would stand against. Amazing.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  How any Christian can justify voting for a man who kills infants is amazing. 

Every single Christian who voted for this man has blood on their hands and will answer for it.

1. We live in a Republic not a Democracy.

2.  It is not a matter of being sore losers but disagreeing with policy.

3. It is not just Republican conservatives.  Support for his programs has fallen below 50% most in the middle and low 40s.  That means many who voted for him do not want the stuff he is peddling.

4. His personal numbers are below 50% and have fallen faster than any other president in the same time period.

5. Pushing forward with these massive programs is irresponsible in the economic situation we are in and many Americans D,R,I understand that.  It is only the loony left that can not see this.

Quote from: Johnb on Wed Aug 05, 2009 - 07:50:41
1. We live in a Republic not a Democracy.

2.  It is not a matter of being sore losers but disagreeing with policy.

3. It is not just Republican conservatives.  Support for his programs has fallen below 50% most in the middle and low 40s.  That means many who voted for him do not want the stuff he is peddling.

4. His personal numbers are below 50% and have fallen faster than any other president in the same time period.

5. Pushing forward with these massive programs is irresponsible in the economic situation we are in and many Americans D,R,I understand that.  It is only the loony left that can not see this.

This would be much more believable if the right were focusing on issues, rather than stupidity.

Here are the next ten topics on this forum:

*Obama Still Refuses to Produce Birth Certificate
*Obama.. vs the Joker 
*Democrats & Socialists = Allies 
*Which is more important to the fabric of the U.S.?
*New World Order and Illuminati Being Told Through Musicians 
*Obama: I'd Like to See a 'Single Payer Health Care Plan' 
*See B.H.Obama's Thundercrack!
*Why does Obama not get slammed for encouraging alchohol use?
*Check out this video.
*What will it be like one year from now? 

What have you guys chosen to talk about?  Inane birther nonsense.  Accusations that Obama is the anti-Christ.  Sophomoric photo-shop posters.  Illuminati insanity.

Very, very little of what you actually talk about concerns serious policy.  Yet you (y'all) claim that you're concerned about the policies of President Obama?  What a crock!

KMV
Wish you would put your broad brush down and see me as an individual.  I was speaking for my self and what I see as the situation in our country.  To the best of my memory I have only posted in one of the threads you listed.  I posted in the birthcertificate thread and said it is a dead issue and makes us look stupid to keep bringing it up.   There are loons on both the right and left.

A republic such as we live in is a representative democracy.  That's why Bush was "spreading democracy".  They aren't two different things.

Quote from: marc on Wed Aug 05, 2009 - 09:09:28
A republic such as we live in is a representative democracy.  That's why Bush was "spreading democracy".  They aren't two different things.

Marc they are 2 different things.  A democracy directly votes on all issues and is directly run by the people.  A Representative democracy elects folks to do the voting and decision making for us.  These Representatives can stray very far from the will of the people before being voted out.  They can make policies and set up programs that are not wanted by the majority (a true democracy).   Being a teacher I know you understand this.  A true democracy would be something very difficult to have with a large population.  It would be nice if our elected Representatives at least tried to get the will of the people before starting these large programs that could distroy our economy and Representative democracy.

It's important not to forget that anything that is claimed as a bad trait of leftist liberals is seen as kooky and/or stupidity by KMV. For example, she listed the post about Democrats and Socialists in her list of "stupidity." Yet Democrats are implementing or wanting to implement all kinds of things that march step for step with a socialist system and some of their own even recently used the phrase "socialize" when threatening to do that to oil companies. When Democrats are attempting to implement socialistic concepts and use the phrase when proposing what they want to do to certain businesses, it's not "stupidity" or "kooky" to suggest that they are socialists or allies with the concept of socialism. It's just common sense and not sticking our heads in the sand.

Quote from: marc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 18:28:40
And I only hear conservatives talking armed Revolution.  It's been more than 30 years since I heard such things from liberals.

Well of course not.  They don't believe in violence.  or guns.  But maybe if we all get together and ask really nice things will get better.

Quote from: WileyClarkson on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 17:04:43
Texas is the ONLY state in the Union that has a constitutional right to seceed from the US. 

All states have that right.

Quote from: marc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 13:56:28
Promising not to raise taxes when you're fighting two wars and working under a ridiculous deficit is irresponsible.

According to the tax receipts Bush did raise taxes by a substantial amount and Obama has cut them substantially.

Quote from: leeford on Wed Aug 05, 2009 - 11:20:05
It's important not to forget that anything that is claimed as a bad trait of leftist liberals is seen as kooky and/or stupidity by KMV.

That pretty much sums up her posts, just defending statism and the like and not offering any ideas.  If kmv has even started any threads, I don't recall it.

Quote from: Johnb on Wed Aug 05, 2009 - 09:40:31

Quote from: marc on Wed Aug 05, 2009 - 09:09:28
A republic such as we live in is a representative democracy.  That's why Bush was "spreading democracy".  They aren't two different things.

Marc they are 2 different things.  A democracy directly votes on all issues and is directly run by the people.  A Representative democracy elects folks to do the voting and decision making for us.  These Representatives can stray very far from the will of the people before being voted out.  They can make policies and set up programs that are not wanted by the majority (a true democracy).   Being a teacher I know you understand this.  A true democracy would be something very difficult to have with a large population.  It would be nice if our elected Representatives at least tried to get the will of the people before starting these large programs that could distroy our economy and Representative democracy.

It is not at all improper to refer to this country as a democracy, since our republic is a type of representative democracy.  This has been standard usage for centuries, and is not to be discounted in order to score political points.

Quote from: WileyClarkson on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 17:04:43

QuoteThere are a lot of folks getting mad and voicing their frustration.  For the first time in my life I can see the real possibility of a population that could demand a new start.  A rebellion, an over throw of our government.  What would follow that frightens me.

Texas is the ONLY state in the Union that has a constitutional right to seceed from the US.  It was negotiated as part of the settlement to make us into a state in the United States .  It is STILL in our state constitution!

With Obama in control, there has been a growing discussion on our options before he drags us down the toliet with the rest of the country.  If we did withdraw from the US, we would become a very wealthy country right off because of our huge gas and oil reserves, not to mention a thriving agricultural economy and a thriving high tech industry which includes areo-space!  We have the manufacturing facilities to turn out some of the best fighter jets in the world.  Our present governor has talked about the possibility (mostly just stirring the pot a little) but there is growing support at the grass roots level.

The next 3.5 years could be very interesting in numerous ways!

It is in Montana's state constitution as an agreement for statehood, that if the 2nd amendment were to be breached, it could secede.  So not entirely true with the Texas thing.

Quote from: Johnb on Wed Aug 05, 2009 - 09:03:48
KMV
Wish you would put your broad brush down and see me as an individual.  I was speaking for my self and what I see as the situation in our country.  To the best of my memory I have only posted in one of the threads you listed.  I posted in the birthcertificate thread and said it is a dead issue and makes us look stupid to keep bringing it up.   There are loons on both the right and left.

You're right; I've unfairly attached you to the crazies & idiots and apologize.

Do you think, though, that a political party or movement bears responsibility for the loons it attracts?  At what point ought the party stop welcoming the crazy & mean?

While loons and crazies appear to be proportionately distributed across the political spectrum, such attributes appear to more beneficial for career advancement for Dems.

Quote from: Gary on Wed Aug 05, 2009 - 21:45:58

Quote from: WileyClarkson on Tue Aug 04, 2009 - 17:04:43

QuoteThere are a lot of folks getting mad and voicing their frustration.  For the first time in my life I can see the real possibility of a population that could demand a new start.  A rebellion, an over throw of our government.  What would follow that frightens me.

Texas is the ONLY state in the Union that has a constitutional right to seceed from the US.  It was negotiated as part of the settlement to make us into a state in the United States .  It is STILL in our state constitution!

With Obama in control, there has been a growing discussion on our options before he drags us down the toliet with the rest of the country.  If we did withdraw from the US, we would become a very wealthy country right off because of our huge gas and oil reserves, not to mention a thriving agricultural economy and a thriving high tech industry which includes areo-space!  We have the manufacturing facilities to turn out some of the best fighter jets in the world.  Our present governor has talked about the possibility (mostly just stirring the pot a little) but there is growing support at the grass roots level.

The next 3.5 years could be very interesting in numerous ways!

It is in Montana's state constitution as an agreement for statehood, that if the 2nd amendment were to be breached, it could secede.  So not entirely true with the Texas thing.

Or, Wiley, you could become a slightly nicer housed Mexico right off, with all of your northern and half your western borders strangled by the U.S. Army, your southern border being Mexico (you could end up seeing a dozen new Pancho Villas raiding launching raids while you're fighting on the northern borders and defending homesteads, and all trade coming in and out of the Gulf ceased by the power of the U.S. Navy. 

You're current governor's just doing the ol' Clintonian trial balloon thing. 

 I say people who think everything Obama does is good, are loons. They make up names like birthers, teabaggers. It is called manipulation, and some of us are on to the gangster political machine. Dear Lord, some on the left please pray for some sense. he latest is Obama trying to claim those at town meetings old folks, at that is a set up. So tell me who is pointing accusing fingers. Someone needs to impeach the biggest loon of all out of office.

Quote from: lightshineon on Thu Aug 06, 2009 - 12:45:12
I say people who think everything Obama does is good, are loons. They make up names like birthers, teabaggers. It is called manipulation, and some of us are on to the gangster political machine. Dear Lord, some on the left please pray for some sense. he latest is Obama trying to claim those at town meetings old folks, at that is a set up. So tell me who is pointing accusing fingers. Someone needs to impeach the biggest loon of all out of office.

What's with the 'gangster' appellation? 

And many of us on the left are praying for some sense.  Unfortunately, the birther nonsense continues, so we're just praying harder.

Eventually, you guys'll get some.

Quote from: Mere Nick on Thu Aug 06, 2009 - 07:47:58
While loons and crazies appear to be proportionately distributed across the political spectrum, such attributes appear to more beneficial for career advancement for Dems.

LOL, there is nothing beneficial for a FOX news show at most, or a talking head official on same said news program then a loony GOP official. Look at their line up.

There's nothing beneficial on news at all.

The only reason to watch is to have something to bring up in conversation the next day.

Quote from: kmv on Thu Aug 06, 2009 - 12:54:42

Quote from: lightshineon on Thu Aug 06, 2009 - 12:45:12
I say people who think everything Obama does is good, are loons. They make up names like birthers, teabaggers. It is called manipulation, and some of us are on to the gangster political machine. Dear Lord, some on the left please pray for some sense. he latest is Obama trying to claim those at town meetings old folks, at that is a set up. So tell me who is pointing accusing fingers. Someone needs to impeach the biggest loon of all out of office.

get some.

birthers, how old you?

Quote from: Hotrod on Thu Aug 06, 2009 - 13:30:58
LOL, there is nothing beneficial for a FOX news show at most, or a talking head official on same said news program then a loony GOP official. Look at their line up.

Well, hotrod, a whole lot of people watch Fox news... A whole lot more than the others.. Somebody must like it.

Quote from: Mac on Thu Aug 06, 2009 - 15:16:57

Quote from: Hotrod on Thu Aug 06, 2009 - 13:30:58
LOL, there is nothing beneficial for a FOX news show at most, or a talking head official on same said news program then a loony GOP official. Look at their line up.

Well, hotrod, a whole lot of people watch Fox news... A whole lot more than the others.. Somebody must like it.

HotRod, probably secretly watches Fox too.

They are not number one because only right wing loons watch them.