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Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant.  Furthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh.  (Matt. 19:6).  The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one's spouse, he/she is still remains his/her spouse until death.   Furthermore, it does not matter how bad one's spouse is, he/she is still that person's spouse; just as irrespective of how bad one's  son is he is still that person's son. Therefore, we have to love our spouse just as Christ loves His Church (Ephesians 5:25) and forgive one another without any limit (Matthew 18:21-22); just as God forgives us.  Because of our sinfulness there are always going to be stressful situations in a marriage.  However, Jesus who came to heal us gives us strength and graces to live a Christian marriage. Therefore, when we follow Jesus by denying our very self and taking up our cross (Matt 19:11) we will find hope where there is hopeless, love where there is hate, peace where there is discord, and see the face of God in the pain and suffering of our spouse.

Good post.  But......

You'd better hunker down and get your flak jacket and helmet on!  Unless, of course, people are weary of striving over this topic.

 Of course as soon as a person who teaches that there is no divorce experiences it themselves, or their spouse leaves them for another person, or maybe one of their children are badly abused  or cheated on, things suddenly change. Strange that.  Its so true that we are the only army who kick their wounded soldiers in the head. While others stand around watching and cheering. I am sure God LOVES that so much.  

Apart from that I REALLY cant be botherd. So many verses have been posted so mnay times to put the other side that I have realised  that it is a total waste of time and energy.

I thank God every day for my wonderful husband who God has blessed me with. God is so good to me.,and in the end He is the one who matters to me.

 I think my marriage is a great marriage, because we love the Lord, and each other, our girls, each others family. I willfully submit to my husband, and he does not demand it. I am like Chosen I thank God for my husband.

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:45:33
I think my marriage is a great marriage, because we love the Lord, and each other, our girls, each others family. I willfully submit to my husband, and he does not demand it. I am like Chosen I thank God for my husband.

Amen. we are so blessed to have such godly husbands in our lives. My husband is the most godly man I have ever met. he is a brilliant husband and great step dad to my three children who all really like him. I think God is so amazing to bring 2 people together who are so right and perfect for each other.He is my other half and soul mate. God truly does do miracles and I have experienced it.

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:08:16

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:45:33
I think my marriage is a great marriage, because we love the Lord, and each other, our girls, each others family. I willfully submit to my husband, and he does not demand it. I am like Chosen I thank God for my husband.

Amen. we are so blessed to have such godly husbands in our lives. My husband is the most godly man I have ever met. he is a brilliant husband and great step dad to my three children who all really like him. I think God is so amazing to bring 2 people together who are so right and perfect for each other.He is my other half and soul mate. God truly does do miracles and I have experienced it.

God is good chosen, and I am so glad he loved you so much to send you a good man, after all you went through.

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 22:06:26

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:08:16

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:45:33
I think my marriage is a great marriage, because we love the Lord, and each other, our girls, each others family. I willfully submit to my husband, and he does not demand it. I am like Chosen I thank God for my husband.

Amen. we are so blessed to have such godly husbands in our lives. My husband is the most godly man I have ever met. he is a brilliant husband and great step dad to my three children who all really like him. I think God is so amazing to bring 2 people together who are so right and perfect for each other.He is my other half and soul mate. God truly does do miracles and I have experienced it.

God is good chosen, and I am so glad he loved you so much to send you a good man, after all you went through.

LSO that you for being a light shining on here on these forums to me and to others who have suffered greatly.
Its good to se Gods love and compassion in action.

2 years before I met my husband, God gave me a word through a very godly man at my church, that he would restore to me all that the locusts have eaten and he has certainly done that.(and more) . I have received physical emotional and spiritual healing through this wonderful men who God has given to me as my husband. I am blessed to be his wife.The amazing thing is that he also says that he feels blessed to be my husband. Isnt God amazing?

Quote from: chosenone on Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 04:09:29

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 22:06:26

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:08:16

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:45:33
I think my marriage is a great marriage, because we love the Lord, and each other, our girls, each others family. I willfully submit to my husband, and he does not demand it. I am like Chosen I thank God for my husband.

Amen. we are so blessed to have such godly husbands in our lives. My husband is the most godly man I have ever met. he is a brilliant husband and great step dad to my three children who all really like him. I think God is so amazing to bring 2 people together who are so right and perfect for each other.He is my other half and soul mate. God truly does do miracles and I have experienced it.

God is good chosen, and I am so glad he loved you so much to send you a good man, after all you went through.

LSO that you for being a light shining on here on these forums to me and to others who have suffered greatly.
Its good to se Gods love and compassion in action.

2 years before I met my husband, God gave me a word through a very godly man at my church, that he would restore to me all that the locusts have eaten and he has certainly done that.(and more) . I have received physical emotional and spiritual healing through this wonderful men who God has given to me as my husband. I am blessed to be his wife.The amazing thing is that he also says that he feels blessed to be my husband. Isnt God amazing?

Thank you chosen for your kind words,, You know I was thinking last night, the Lord loved your husband much also to give him a wonderful, and beautiful, wife like you who loves him so much. Blessings kind of come in circles, and when from the Lord, you cannot beat those blessings.

Quote from: lightshineon on Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 10:32:53

Quote from: chosenone on Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 04:09:29

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 22:06:26

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:08:16

Quote from: lightshineon on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:45:33
I think my marriage is a great marriage, because we love the Lord, and each other, our girls, each others family. I willfully submit to my husband, and he does not demand it. I am like Chosen I thank God for my husband.

Amen. we are so blessed to have such godly husbands in our lives. My husband is the most godly man I have ever met. he is a brilliant husband and great step dad to my three children who all really like him. I think God is so amazing to bring 2 people together who are so right and perfect for each other.He is my other half and soul mate. God truly does do miracles and I have experienced it.

God is good chosen, and I am so glad he loved you so much to send you a good man, after all you went through.

LSO that you for being a light shining on here on these forums to me and to others who have suffered greatly.
Its good to se Gods love and compassion in action.

2 years before I met my husband, God gave me a word through a very godly man at my church, that he would restore to me all that the locusts have eaten and he has certainly done that.(and more) . I have received physical emotional and spiritual healing through this wonderful men who God has given to me as my husband. I am blessed to be his wife.The amazing thing is that he also says that he feels blessed to be my husband. Isnt God amazing?

Thank you chosen for your kind words,, You know I was thinking last night, the Lord loved your husband much also to give him a wonderful, and beautiful, wife like you who loves him so much. Blessings kind of come in circles, and when from the Lord, you cannot beat those blessings.

Couldnt agree more.LSO. God loves to bless His children and restore all that they have lost. He loves to heal and make new, and give fresh starts and new beginnings. One of the many wonderful things about Him.

Isa 61:1  The Spirit of the LORD God has taken control of me! The LORD has chosen and sent me to tell the oppressed the good news, to heal the brokenhearted, and to announce freedom for prisoners and captives.
Isa 61:2  This is the year when the LORD God will show kindness to us and punish our enemies. The LORD has sent me to comfort those who mourn,
Isa 61:3  especially in Jerusalem. He sent me to give them flowers in place of their sorrow, olive oil in place of tears, and joyous praise in place of broken hearts. They will be called "Trees of Justice," planted by the LORD to honor his name.
Isa 61:4  Then they will rebuild cities that have been in ruins for many generations.
Isa 61:5  They will hire foreigners to take care of their sheep and their vineyards.
Isa 61:6  But they themselves will be priests and servants of the LORD our God. The treasures of the nations will belong to them, and they will be famous.
Isa 61:7  They were terribly insulted and horribly mistreated; now they will be greatly blessed and joyful forever.


I believe that this verse, and in Luke the words of Christ, really reflect your words of wisdom Chosen.

Quote from: surrendersacrifice on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 17:45:23
Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant.

Really ?
Youd better tell Paul about that then, poster, because apparently he missed something ;)

READERS SEE >>> "Let not man Put Asunder" vs "let the unbeliever depart"

QuoteFurthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh.  (Matt. 19:6).

Nice.
Now do you know what 'one flesh' actually is ?
READERS SEE >>> What is ''one flesh'' and what is it that God joins together

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The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one's spouse, he/she is still remains his/her spouse until death.   Furthermore, it does not matter how bad one's spouse is, he/she is still that person's spouse; just as irrespective of how bad one's  son is he is still that person's son.

Wrong friend....or Moses and Jesus are both liars.
Jesus said 'except' showing condition...meaning that if you were write then Christ lied. :)

QuoteTherefore, we have to love our spouse just as Christ loves His Church (Ephesians 5:25) and forgive one another without any limit (Matthew 18:21-22); just as God forgives us.

eh...wrong.
Jesus' forgiveness, contrary to your views, ISNT without limit
Blaspheme His precious Holy Spirit and we'll see if you are forgiven or not on that day.
Scriptures says you wont be.
Forgiveness isnt unlimited as you seem to believe.

For the Truth about Divorce and Remarriage
http://assembly-ministries.org/studies/index.php

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Quote from: FoC on Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 23:17:20

Quote from: surrendersacrifice on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 17:45:23
Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant.

Really ?
Youd better tell Paul about that then, poster, because apparently he missed something ;)

READERS SEE >>> "Let not man Put Asunder" vs "let the unbeliever depart"

QuoteFurthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh.  (Matt. 19:6).

Nice.
Now do you know what 'one flesh' actually is ?
READERS SEE >>> What is ''one flesh'' and what is it that God joins together

Quote
The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one's spouse, he/she is still remains his/her spouse until death.   Furthermore, it does not matter how bad one's spouse is, he/she is still that person's spouse; just as irrespective of how bad one's  son is he is still that person's son.

Wrong friend....or Moses and Jesus are both liars.
Jesus said 'except' showing condition...meaning that if you were write then Christ lied. :)

QuoteTherefore, we have to love our spouse just as Christ loves His Church (Ephesians 5:25) and forgive one another without any limit (Matthew 18:21-22); just as God forgives us.

eh...wrong.
Jesus' forgiveness, contrary to your views, ISNT without limit
Blaspheme His precious Holy Spirit and we'll see if you are forgiven or not on that day.
Scriptures says you wont be.
Forgiveness isnt unlimited as you seem to believe.

For the Truth about Divorce and Remarriage
http://assembly-ministries.org/studies/index.php

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Well FOC that was uplifting, and encouraging. Thanks for spreading your form of the fruit of joy, and kindness.

Quote from: lightshineon on Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 23:30:03
Well FOC that was uplifting, and encouraging. Thanks for spreading your form of the fruit of joy, and kindness.

it wasnt meant to be uplifting.
It was meant to refute unscriptural error.

The OP isnt fooling me. This was just one more anti-remarriage hate rhetoric thread just like ten thousand others.
What was said COULD have been said about marriage without bringing the crap in that damns my remarriage to hell because SUPPOSEDLY Im still somehow 'married' to a wife put away for adultery.

If these people dont want to be corrected then let them start preaching truth instead of false doctrine.
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Quote from: FoC on Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 23:48:34

Quote from: lightshineon on Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 23:30:03
Well FOC that was uplifting, and encouraging. Thanks for spreading your form of the fruit of joy, and kindness.

it wasnt meant to be uplifting.
It was meant to refute unscriptural error.

The OP isnt fooling me. This was just one more anti-remarriage hate rhetoric thread just like ten thousand others.
What was said COULD have been said about marriage without bringing the crap in that damns my remarriage to hell because SUPPOSEDLY Im still somehow 'married' to a wife put away for adultery.

If these people dont want to be corrected then let them start preaching truth instead of false doctrine.
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You felt it was directed at you? I honestly did not read the whole thread, just between myself and chosen. i will look over it again, but, I did not recall anything about that.

Quote from: lightshineon on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 09:57:04
You felt it was directed at you? I honestly did not read the whole thread, just between myself and chosen. i will look over it again, but, I did not recall anything about that.

Huh.
So your claim is that if FALSE doctrine and error isnt directed AT us personally then we are to ignore it then ?
Sorry but thats not from the bible Ive been reading.
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Quote from: FoC on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 13:08:43

Quote from: lightshineon on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 09:57:04
You felt it was directed at you? I honestly did not read the whole thread, just between myself and chosen. i will look over it again, but, I did not recall anything about that.

Huh.
So your claim is that if FALSE doctrine and error isnt directed AT us personally then we are to ignore it then ?
Sorry but thats not from the bible Ive been reading.
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Hello, I did not read it all, man you are being hostile, and I really am confused. I told you, just was writing to Chosen. Take a breath, and quit being so angry, it is not good for you FOC. I wonder if something else is making you angry, besides the post. Boy, did I probably step in it with that comment, but, I cannot see you expression or hear your tone, but it almost seems like your going postal. Let me read the rest of the post, OK?

Foc sounds like others on this one in their words of unkindness.  The OP wasn't rude or derogatory.  The reply of foc was.  And it was based upon situational ethics.  That is typical.  Kind of like the pretribist that states to the posttribist: fine --- you can go through the tribulation if you want to.  Only idiots want to.

Same sort of reasoning, and thus the same sort of response.  No matter which side of the issue is taken, it doesn't take rocket science to see through the smoke screen.

  FoC, son and I are going to psychoanalysis you (LOL), because we can. Just joking.

Quote from: lightshineon on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 17:40:12
Hello, I did not read it all, man you are being hostile, and I really am confused. I told you, just was writing to Chosen. Take a breath, and quit being so angry, it is not good for you FOC. I wonder if something else is making you angry, besides the post. Boy, did I probably step in it with that comment, but, I cannot see you expression or hear your tone, but it almost seems like your going postal. Let me read the rest of the post, OK?

How about not playing psychologist here and telling me what my emotional state is ? ;)
I like how when someone is disagreed with or cornered the other guy is supposedly 'angry' ;)
Lets deal with the issue at hand and leave emotions out of the discussion...how about that ? ;)

Ms s:

Yes, I would agree with those thoughts.

Take care.

Quote from: surrendersacrifice on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 17:45:23
Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant.  Furthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh.  (Matt. 19:6).  The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one's spouse, he/she is still remains his/her spouse until death.   Furthermore, it does not matter how bad one's spouse is, he/she is still that person's spouse; just as irrespective of how bad one's  son is he is still that person's son. Therefore, we have to love our spouse just as Christ loves His Church (Ephesians 5:25) and forgive one another without any limit (Matthew 18:21-22); just as God forgives us.  Because of our sinfulness there are always going to be stressful situations in a marriage.  However, Jesus who came to heal us gives us strength and graces to live a Christian marriage. Therefore, when we follow Jesus by denying our very self and taking up our cross (Matt 19:11) we will find hope where there is hopeless, love where there is hate, peace where there is discord, and see the face of God in the pain and suffering of our spouse.

Quote from: son of God on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 18:45:07
Foc sounds like others on this one in their words of unkindness.  The OP wasn't rude or derogatory.  The reply of foc was.  And it was based upon situational ethics. 

Sorry gent, but the OP was directly attacking EVERY second/third marriage in existence by telling us we are STILL married to our first spouse.
I see this nonsense 7 days a week...I know what is being said.

QuoteSame sort of reasoning, and thus the same sort of response.  No matter which side of the issue is taken, it doesn't take rocket science to see through the smoke screen.

When you can prove any attempts of my trying to smokescreen anything Im all eyes and ears, friend :)

PS:  Marriage is strictly divine rather than specifically Christian, if one looks at Genesis.

Quote from: farouk on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 21:20:01
FoC:

Umm...the first poster simply mentions about the permanence of marriage in a God honoring way, and you use words like 'attacking'....

There IS NO permanence in marriage. It is an entirely conditional covenant that will not exist after these lives.
Gods intent is that it be for life...that does not make it 'permanent' by any means. Nor does scripture show that it is 'permanent'.
That is a fallacy created by those who do not know the scriptures.

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Quote from: FoC on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 21:16:09

Quote from: son of God on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 18:45:07
Foc sounds like others on this one in their words of unkindness.  The OP wasn't rude or derogatory.  The reply of foc was.  And it was based upon situational ethics. 

Sorry gent, but the OP was directly attacking EVERY second/third marriage in existence by telling us we are STILL married to our first spouse.
I see this nonsense 7 days a week...I know what is being said.

QuoteSame sort of reasoning, and thus the same sort of response.  No matter which side of the issue is taken, it doesn't take rocket science to see through the smoke screen.

When you can prove any attempts of my trying to smokescreen anything Im all eyes and ears, friend :)

FoC, now I did not see that as condemning to people in second or third marriages, where do you see commendation or false doctrine?

Quote from: lightshineon on Mon Dec 07, 2009 - 22:58:41
FoC, now I did not see that as condemning to people in second or third marriages, where do you see commendation or false doctrine?

Ive already pointed out the issue in the OP and what was said there.
If you really wanted to understand and not just justify arguing the matter youd READ what I said and re-examine the OP again to see if what I said was there or not.
That YOU didnt see it is irrelevant. *I* know how people of these doctrines operate as *I* deal with them on a daily basis.

FoC:

Umm...the first poster simply mentions about the permanence of marriage in a God honoring way, and you use words like 'attacking'....

Sorry, a short fuse does not help rational and God honoring discussion.

Quote from: farouk on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 05:59:41
FoC:

Umm...the first poster simply mentions about the permanence of marriage in a God honoring way, and you use words like 'attacking'....

You and I are done here, Id say....kwim ?

as I SAID...the OP COULD HAVE SAID what was said WITHOUT this ERROR that marriage doesnt END at DIVORCE
I know how this fallacy operates and this is it.
Unless you and the other poster have something to actually argue, Id appreciate NOT having to continue bickering irrelevance with the two of you since this seems to just be about having the last word....ie no productive discussing at all here...

Quote
Sorry, a short fuse does not help rational and God honoring discussion.

As I said, stop playing psychiatrist and telling me what my state of mind is.
Either you can refute something I stated about the OP, emotions entirely aside, or you cannot  

We done here ?


(there...added enough smilies...maybe someone can deal with what is SAID and try to stay out of my head)  

Hi FOC,

I can see what you see.Its right there in plain English.The OP said even if you divorce the person is still your spouse untill death.

So if you are divorced and re-married how can that not mean either your currrent spouse is not your real husband or wife..or that you have more than one husband or wife?

Love

Dallas

   Ms Light here's another example of WOWSER.  Actually those that are that way can't help it.
   Just forgive them,and move on.   

FoC:

I think my case rests.

But to be more specific, and reading between the lines, so to speak, you seem to be implying that unless your own circumstances are favorably covered by whatever ppl might write about the historic and time honored, Biblical idea of the permanence of marriage, ppl should not post about the subject.

If I'm not mistaken, this is more or less your underlying point.

Quote from: FoC on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 09:28:10

Quote from: farouk on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 05:59:41
FoC:

Umm...the first poster simply mentions about the permanence of marriage in a God honoring way, and you use words like 'attacking'....

You and I are done here, Id say....kwim ?

as I SAID...the OP COULD HAVE SAID what was said WITHOUT this ERROR that marriage doesnt END at DIVORCE
I know how this fallacy operates and this is it.
Unless you and the other poster have something to actually argue, Id appreciate NOT having to continue bickering irrelevance with the two of you since this seems to just be about having the last word....ie no productive discussing at all here...

Quote
Sorry, a short fuse does not help rational and God honoring discussion.

As I said, stop playing psychiatrist and telling me what my state of mind is.
Either you can refute something I stated about the OP, emotions entirely aside, or you cannot  

We done here ?


(there...added enough smilies...maybe someone can deal with what is SAID and try to stay out of my head)  

Quote from: dallasapple on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 09:39:18
Hi FOC,

I can see what you see.Its right there in plain English.The OP said even if you divorce the person is still your spouse untill death.

So if you are divorced and re-married how can that not mean either your currrent spouse is not your real husband or wife..or that you have more than one husband or wife?

Love

Dallas

Whew...a voice of reason 
Hey Dallas...how have ya been ?

Quote from: farouk on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 09:51:43
FoC:

I think my case rests.

You may think it does, friend, but all youre doing is showing us that you cant read the OP and see exactly what it SAYS.

*IF* Im still married to my ex then what does that make THIS marriage Im in now ?
Im either an adulterer or a polygamist.
How you are missing what the OP presents simply boggles the mind.

QuoteBut to be more specific, and reading between the lines, so to speak, you seem to be implying that unless your own circumstances are favorably covered by whatever ppl might write about the historic and time honored, Biblical idea of the permanence of marriage, ppl should not post about the subject.

Im sorry, did I SAY the OP wasnt allowed to post what they believe ?  No, I didnt.

I DID, however, point out the unscriptural fallacy therein.
And as previously stated, either you CAN refute what Ive presented regarding the OP.....or you CANNOT.

Given how many times youve posted in my direction in the matter now and how youve NOT refuted my position, I assume you cannot do so at this point.
In which case youre wasting both of our times here  

QuoteIf I'm not mistaken, this is more or less your underlying point.

I made my 'underlying point' VERY clear in my first post directed at the OP.

For those who apparently missed it, either for lack of reading it....or simply because they dont want to see it....I'll repost the OP and highlight the offending, unscriptural part that directly condemns EVERY second or third marriage on the planet.

Quote from: surrendersacrifice on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 17:45:23
Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant. Furthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh.  (Matt. 19:6).  The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one's spouse, he/she is still remains his/her spouse until death.  Furthermore, it does not matter how bad one's spouse is, he/she is still that person's spouse; just as irrespective of how bad one's  son is he is still that person's son. Therefore, we have to love our spouse just as Christ loves His Church (Ephesians 5:25) and forgive one another without any limit (Matthew 18:21-22); just as God forgives us.  Because of our sinfulness there are always going to be stressful situations in a marriage.  However, Jesus who came to heal us gives us strength and graces to live a Christian marriage. Therefore, when we follow Jesus by denying our very self and taking up our cross (Matt 19:11) we will find hope where there is hopeless, love where there is hate, peace where there is discord, and see the face of God in the pain and suffering of our spouse.

The scriptures say nothing of the sort.
Instead they show that the covenant CAN be broken and it IS dissolved at divorce, lest Moses and Jesus BOTH be liars.

I can only assume that the persons disagreeing with the offense of the OP either arent married or havent yet faced the misfortune of being divorced and then having been married again.
Which makes it even more offensive, in my opinion, as we're only judging a matter based on OUR experience rather than taking things as they actually are...ie "if it doesn hurt me personally its ok'.


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Quote from: FoC on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 10:42:21
For those who apparently missed it, either for lack of reading it....or simply because they dont want to see it....I'll repost the OP and highlight the offending, unscriptural part that directly condemns EVERY second or third marriage on the planet.

Quote from: surrendersacrifice on Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 17:45:23
Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant. Furthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh.  (Matt. 19:6).  The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one’s spouse, he/she is still remains his/her spouse until death.   Furthermore, it does not matter how bad one's spouse is, he/she is still that person's spouse; just as irrespective of how bad one's  son is he is still that person's son. Therefore, we have to love our spouse just as Christ loves His Church (Ephesians 5:25) and forgive one another without any limit (Matthew 18:21-22); just as God forgives us.  Because of our sinfulness there are always going to be stressful situations in a marriage.  However, Jesus who came to heal us gives us strength and graces to live a Christian marriage. Therefore, when we follow Jesus by denying our very self and taking up our cross (Matt 19:11) we will find hope where there is hopeless, love where there is hate, peace where there is discord, and see the face of God in the pain and suffering of our spouse.

The scriptures say nothing of the sort.
Instead they show that the covenant CAN be broken and it IS dissolved at divorce, lest Moses and Jesus BOTH be liars.

I can only assume that the persons disagreeing with the offense of the OP either arent married or havent yet faced the misfortune of being divorced and then having been married again.
Which makes it even more offensive, in my opinion, as we're only judging a matter based on OUR experience rather than taking things as they actually are...ie "if it doesn hurt me personally its ok'.


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  FoC I agree. You only have to read the story of the women at the well to see that Jesus recognises divorce as being the ending of a marriage, and doesnt think of the first spouse as being the only spouse for life. "You have had five husbands" He said. Clear as day. They were ALL her husbands,and not just the first one. So clear and so simple.

Quote from: FoC on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 10:14:28

Quote from: dallasapple on Tue Dec 08, 2009 - 09:39:18
Hi FOC,

I can see what you see.Its right there in plain English.The OP said even if you divorce the person is still your spouse untill death.

So if you are divorced and re-married how can that not mean either your currrent spouse is not your real husband or wife..or that you have more than one husband or wife?

Love

Dallas

Whew...a voice of reason  
Hey Dallas...how have ya been ?

Hey brother Im fine and dandy and thank you for asking and are you O.K this day?How is Laura tell her I said hey!

And on the OP to me its not even having to use "reason" it clear that the OP intended to say once you are married you are still married(to that person) even if you divorce until one of you(I suppose that means one) dies.(till death).

Im as you know Im not divorced and remarried I have no reason to be offended personally at that preaching.Im offended for others .Its offensive to insinuate that married couples are in an adulterous relationship or that they have more than one husband or wife.(if they are divorced and remaried)

Its also completely cruel and unreasonable to expect that if your spouse leaves you that you are to remain alone for the rest of your life.Or that both of you shoudl stay in a miserable realtionship allowing for  anything no matter what or divorce and remain single.

I witnessed a 21 year old girl being preached this.Her husband left her after a year or two of marriage and she was being told that she needed to remain single and pray for reconsciliation with her husband.FOREVER.I believe that is cruel .

Love

Dallas