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Do you believe all kinds of sexual activity outside marriage is wrong (even that which is considered light)?

"light sex" 

A strange response!

Yes, God is very clear that any sex is to be in marriage only. 

Flee lust and whatnot :)

I do not know if sexual activity outside marriage can get lighter than the following.

Matthew 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Matthew 5:28  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Anything that could make it hard to stop isnt advisable surely?

We do believe that God made us so He definitely knows what is best for us.
If My son and his fiance weren't sure that it was what God wanted, they definitely wouldn't be waiting till they marry(April next year) before they have sex. He will bless them for this I know, because it isn't easy to wait when you are young and in love.

God is clear that sex is for marriage between a man and a woman. Not a popular thing to say these days but its there in black and white.

And parents are the LAST ones a young person will ever discuss any part of their sex lives with.

Quote from: JohnDB on Fri Sep 10, 2010 - 17:29:26
And parents are the LAST ones a young person will ever discuss any part of their sex lives with.

Maybe in some cases, but he and his elder sister (I have 2 daughters)have told me many things in the past, good and bad. In fact I have been surpried at how open my daughter, in particular, is with me about such things,and I feel priviledged that they feel they can be like this, I never told my parents anything like that, but we had a different sort or relationship.

They dont hide things like this,and his fiance feels the same as he does. They are open about it. He has told me (I never ask) how hard it is but that they are determind to wait. He has no reason to lie as he knows that I am not a parent who freaks about such things,and love and accept them as they are. Its their choice because they know it is what God wants. 

Have no idea why my post above was put into a new topic, as I was answering previous posts in the other 'sex outside marriage' topic,and to start a new one makes no sense to me or anyone else I suspect.

God is very wise and if he say that it is wrong then we need to accept that.

I am failing to see any difference in your thoughts from any other parent out there who believes their child is celibant.

Quote from: JohnDB on Fri Sep 10, 2010 - 21:22:51
I am failing to see any difference in your thoughts from any other parent out there who believes their child is celibant.

Well John, you dont know me and you dont know my son or the relationship we have. He has no reason to lie or to even tell me what he does, becasue he knows that I dont judge him and love him whatever. I dont ask him questions about his relationship, he tells me things. His fiance feels very strongly about no sex before marriage as well , so they are being strong together, not easy as they have been together for 2 years already. Also he isnt a teenager, he is 32 and is really wanting to please God and for their marriage to be blessed.  
I admire them for their stand, and as hard as it may be for you to believe, some couples do wait till marriage, believe me.

My older daughter ( I have 2 daughters) tells me stuff in great detail, the good and the bad. I dont ask her, she tells me. I just have that relationship with them, open and honest, and they know that I have always, and will always, love them no matter what and they seem to feel safe with me.They know that I am not easily shocked,(to say the least)and I tend to take everything in my stride, and that I accept them no matter what.  I am sorry if you dont believe me, but that is the truth.

When you say "sex", are you referring to any kind of amorous activity or full sex?

Are you saying even snogging is a sin?

If the snogging is foreplay, yes it is sin, because it is promoting what would be wrong, instead of helping us to stay clear and pure. But if our affectionate sharing is in God's love, it doesn't take long to have perfect satisfaction, enough is enough, and we can be right on to all the things God has for us to enjoy.

We need to be helping each other stay in control. Plus, God's love is so more and perfectly satisfying than any genital and other superficial pleasure.

And doesn't "sexual" mean for producing kids? So, if we are using things for pleasure, but not for having kids, this can be perversion, even between heteros.

Gay isn't even sexual, at all, then, since it can not produce kids.

And real sexuality has to do with how to love so we can spread this to our children so we are reproducing children of God's love.

So, if we are getting all concerned about what pleasures we can or cannot have, this can be decoying and perverting our *attention* away from God and where our *attention* belongs!!

Thanks for replying.  I'm not sure what, in every situation , would be considered sex, but, from what you said, I'm not sure if the implications would be that any activity, but for  specifically the creation of children should be considered sin.  Along with this issue, I don't know whether you're a Catholic, with the Church's relevant stance.

Each person is unique, created by God and not a copy or a clone of how people may try to make all people be; so I find it interesting that there are people who make statements that they claim go for all people, even though they are not God who knows the real truth about each one.

How many people have *you* personally gotten to know so you know for sure what is true about these people

But, even so, I would say that if a couple is getting into what is wrong, the spirit of this abuse can make them unable to love by sharing honestly with their parents, because they have gotten corrupted into their sneaky stuff, then can be like Adam and Eve hiding in the garden from God. But others can be convicted to go and share with their parents, since the Holy Spirit can give them a conscience. So, each couple's relating is unique.

And ones marry the ones they do, showing how well they really are capable of getting to know even just one person (never mind "all men" or "all women" or "all teenies").

God's love makes it work well and even easily. So, if being in "love" has you tempted and struggling, I'd say God's love is almighty with self-control of the Holy Spirit almighty, with "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29)

So, when I am struggling, I am confessing this to be failure proving I have not been  relating in God's love like I should and need to; and trust God to have me doing better so I can be in real loving with a lady I appreciate, and attentive to doing her good so I'm not getting distracted with superficial stuff. So, I need to do better, yes, but I find I am growing to do better. One thing that helps me is to keep busy with loving others who are Christians, so I am not too involved with one person; loving different people in God's all-loving love has me in His love's beauty and perfect sweet satisfaction better than any superficially stimulated stuff, and with self control in His own pleasure. Notice how Paul said he took "pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake," in 2 corinthians 12:10; so God's love is not limited to having pleasure only in isolated situations arranged so we can make ourselves feel good. So, whose love are we in "We can fall or we can grow."

But if we are seeking pleasure, we are using someone and not really loving that person, but loving the pleasure, "maybe". But, like I say, I do not personally know each person. Paul says, "I will not be brought under the power of any," in 1 Corinthians 6:12; so . . . I would say that in God's love we can't be brought under the power and control of what is inferior.

acmcccxlviii
I tried to reply to your message,but it says your inbox is full.

Those are good issues. I was Catholic, and it was like in our school age instruction classes we wanted to know what we could do, how far we could go, what we could get away with. It was kind of legalistic, not really about pleasing God.

And, actually, I would not be legalistic to say sex must be only in order to produce kids. But I think we can go after it more than is really good for us. We can confuse what is true intimacy with being physically intimate; so I would say it is good to find out how intimacy really is before we get into physical pleasure and sexual intimacy.

The Bible doesn't say to have sex only in order to have children. And we have that God "gives us richly all things to enjoy." (in 1 Timothy 6:17)

"Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does." (1 Corinthians 7:3-4)

Giving "affection" that is due does not necessarily mean sexual affection activities. But having power over each other's bodies can mean each one should go along with the other's sexual pleasure desires, we might understand, here.

But I am thinking of how ones can be so into their own *independence* so that they do not allow one another to do caring affectionate things for them (because they can "do it, themselves", "don't need any help", etc.). And so, Paul could really mean we should welcome our wives and husbands to do the loving things they desire to do for us and with us, showing affection, for example, by helping with what we could do by ourselves, doing things together just so we can be sharing So, how love would mean this scripture could be different than what one with sex on the brain would interpret it to mean

I got a message about snogging too.  I thought it was looking for a reaction rather than information based on the terminology.

I think acmcetc may have forgotten that many of us haven't always been Christians, that we spent a lot of the time on the world, we are well aware of current (and in this case past) euphemisms for different sexual acts and are also very thankful that Jesus has come in and gotten us out of that mess LOL!!

If the PM was in seriousness (which I still doubt) then the simple answer is "flee lust"

In the famous words of our past President Bill Clinton I reckon it is what you determine is sexual; sometimes it can be an excuse.

Interesting to note that our new friend and poster acmcetc has managed to get several conversations on various worldly sexual idea going, even to the extent that some feel the need to post about yetis and various sexual area shaving.

You all discuss away, this is not something I want to be a part of.

I see you pointed out that others, rather that acmcetc, brought up yetis and other animals.  I suspect your non-interest in becoming involved is because of jealousy that horses weren't invited.

It's interesting to note that women tend to speak of sex using apparently similar language - affection, etc.  Maybe they have got more of the original idea of what God intended.  Men seem to tend to have a one track mind.

Sex outside of a martial relationship between a man and woman is sin. Period.

That still doesn't address the issue of what costitutes sex - "full sex" or just snogging.

Genesis 29:11  And Jacob kissed Rachel. This was neither sexual nor sin. If you need more than this you seem to then to have a fetish concerning talking about the subject.

Matthew 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Matthew 5:28  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

If snogging or making out leads you to lust, it is sin.

  Maybe, but - Are you saying that someone, perhaps brought up within a Christian household, should be expected to grow up without any physical contact, eventually meet someone, start talking, deem them to be suitable, then compatitible, then both consider marriage, one asking the other, the other agreeing, eventually setting a date, going through the following period, involving all the preparations up to the wedding day and getting married without ever snogging?  Do you really think this is feasible?

acmcccxlviii, since your questions have been answered, I am locking this thread.  If another mod chooses to unlock it, please feel free.