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Some history is shown in the following paper about God's testimony in the world.  It speaks to believers in Christ as to their way in seeking to know and serve God.  It may be helpful to consider this.  One may write me if they wish to see further ministry on this subject of history.

- Seriousseeker

THOUGHTS  ON  THE  CHURCH  AGE
A brief look at some history by Robert DeWitt, 1/05

[After the ascension of Jesus Christ to heaven, God formed a universal and spiritual body or company of believers on the earth, which is known as "the church" (kuriakos ---pertaining to God); and which is the spiritual body of Christ, which encompasses every "born again" believer.  Sometimes people ask: what is the name of the true church, when did it begin, and what does it look like?  In the Word of God the church does not have a name, and it was formed on the day of Pentecost about A.D. 33 by the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell believers, as noted in the book of Acts.  It surely does not look like anything we see in the various religions and sects man has established since the apostolic period.  That which we are seeing around us today and called "churches", are the organizations and sects men have developed out of the apostasy of the Roman Catholic Religion, with a variety of modifications.  The thought here concerns how God's testimony got into such condition.   - RLD]

Since there is no name for God's called out assembly (ecclesia), our gathering together and fellowship can have no name except what God gives----saints of God,  believers, Christians gathered to the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ alone (Matt.18:20).  To take a name is sectarian and is divisive of the universal company of believers. 

The Christian fellowship we own must be that which began with Acts 2:42, and is viewed in the epistles in God's Word.  True and faithful saints of God surely ought to seek after that which is of God, rather than traditions and the various ideas of men.  From New Testament times, saints have survived many attacks from Satan down through the years, and God has maintained His testimony even in weakness in the face of the enemy's attempts to destroy it. 

A study of church history shows a period called "the dark ages" or the middle ages, when the tyranny of the Roman Catholic Religion prevailed (about 500 A.D. to 1500 A.D.).  Faithful saints of God could only meet in secret for fear of persecution or death by the organized religion of Rome for about a thousand years.  In the 1500's God moved to revive the gospel message of salvation and justification by faith in the grace of God, through the Lord Jesus Christ, and a protest movement called a Reformation began.  After much trouble, fear, and slaughter of saints, the tyranny of the RC religion was broken. 

Denominated sects with hierarchy then developed much like the RC religion, with other religious men seeking to exalt themselves (as the daughters of Rev.2:20-23 & Rev. 17:5).  Many faithful saints followed that form in ignorance, for the Word of God was not available to many faithful saints to show them God's way.  With the invention of printing the Bible began to circulate widely and more people became literate.  Much has been written on this history if one desires to study it further.

In the early 1800's God began another great revival work to recover church truth which had been lost since apostolic times.  This work, often called "the brethren movement", began in conformity to the New Testament church as found in the Word of God, and it was a lovely thing in its' simplicity and truth and happy fellowship.  It spread rapidly, but soon the enemy raised up the flesh of men to bring in imitations and ruin.  This simplicity in Christ seemed too simple and plain for many religious people, who held to their denominated systems, or tried to mix the purity of the New Testament order with various innovations.  All this history is available in more detail if one wants to study the "brethren" revival of 1827.

In the beginning of the church in the book of Acts and the epistles, the saints met without a name, without a special building, without organization, without a priest or one-man leader in charge, without ceremony or rituals, creeds, programs, entertainment, etc.  Acts 2:42 was the essence of this pure expression of God's mind, and the innovations of men was not acceptable.  Today, many do not know about the revival of the 1800's and are not studying the Scriptures, and continue with various sects and religious ideas after their various preferences.  Indeed, there are new sects being formed every year.

The work of Satan to ruin a collective universal church testimony in the world has diminished the saints, but God has continued His light, and spiritual saints have held the faith.  All of us are responsible to find the expression of the "one body in Christ" according to the Word.  Some say there is no true and scriptural testimony of the universal church remaining in the world today, and all the sects man has developed is all we have, but that is not true.  Some are trying now to add scriptures to their sects and systems to make it more true to the Word.  It is not profitable to try to build on a poor foundation.  We need unity in truth. 

While none should presume to boast of perfection, God has maintained His way as He intended, and it remains for each of us to continue together in the path He yet provides (see John 17:11, 21-23; Acts 2:41-42; Rom.12:4-5; I Cor.1:2-13; I Cor.12; Eph.2:19-22; Eph.4; Phil.2:2; etc.).

A scriptural gathering of the saints of God today can be found if one is earnest, faithful, and a serious seeker.  This writer will help any who honestly desire to sort out truth from all the religious ideas about, study the Word, and be yielded to the leading of the Holy Spirit to find peace and happiness in conformity to God's Word.  If one does not have that desire and is satisfied with a religious organization to meet their preferences, we can only commend them to the Lord and go our way.  We do not want to debate or strive with any, but be a help to those who wish to get to the heart of the matter.

What about history?  Do we learn from history?  Are the truths of the past any value, and should they be appreciated today?

If the truth of God's Word is eternal, then why should one say today:  we are living in a new time so we can do things differently?  This, of course, means the day of grace, for the Old Testament religion of Israel is not our concern in the church age;  and the year 2011 is not a time to overthrow the New Testament and begin something different than what God has given us for the church, right?

Well, I know most believers today are of a mind-set that the old is of no value, but I hope readers here will consider the original post here, and "...ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein ..." (Jer. 6:16).  We will surely have to answer to why we choose to overthrow the Word of God.

- Seriousseeker

Quote from: Seriousseeker on Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 15:12:12
What about history?  Do we learn from history?  Are the truths of the past any value, and should they be appreciated today?

If the truth of God's Word is eternal, then why should one say today:  we are living in a new time so we can do things differently?  This, of course, means the day of grace, for the Old Testament religion of Israel is not our concern in the church age;  and the year 2011 is not a time to overthrow the New Testament and begin something different than what God has given us for the church, right?

Well, I know most believers today are of a mind-set that the old is of no value, but I hope readers here will consider the original post here, and "...ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein ..." (Jer. 6:16).  We will surely have to answer to why we choose to overthrow the Word of God.

- Seriousseeker

Quote from previous post:  "A scriptural gathering of the saints of God today can be found if one is earnest, faithful, and a serious seeker.  This writer will help any who honestly desire to sort out truth from all the religious ideas about, study the Word, and be yielded to the leading of the Holy Spirit to find peace and happiness in conformity to God's Word.  If one does not have that desire and is satisfied with a religious organization to meet their preferences, we can only commend them to the Lord and go our way. We do not want to debate or strive with any, but be a help to those who wish to get to the heart of the matter."

Like the Protestant organization which recently have gathered together at least 50 churches to have Koran readings.  Today I read of the Presbyterian organization who have decided that gays, lesbians and such are to be allowed leadership roles in the churches.  There is much, much more going on in the "organized churches," today.

Blessings

QuoteLike the Protestant organization which recently have gathered together at least 50 churches to have Koran readings.  Today I read of the Presbyterian organization who have decided that gays, lesbians and such are to be allowed leadership roles in the churches.  There is much, much more going on in the "organized churches," today.

Joyful,

A lot of these kinds of stories are being spread to demean the mainline protestant churches. Why? We know the evangelicals dont like Catholics but it is strange to me why they trun on the other protestants. In fact I wonder why there is so much animius in the first place. Are they taught that in church?

I see nothing wrong for gays and lesbians to be part of Christs church. It is funny to me how much the evangelicals object to them. It seems they think the worst people in the world much be gay Catholics. Peace. John

The real truth of the matter, as pointed out in the original post, is that the truth of God and His Word is being rejected and corrupted today.  Whether it is Roman Catholics or Protestant it does not matter, if they are going contrary to God's Word ---all that is bad news.

Homosexuals in a professing Christian church fellowship as you say, Highrigger, is just one example of this.  It is defiling the Word and dishonoring God to invent or allow anything in the true church fellowship that is of the reasoning of men to please themselves.

- Seriousseeker

So many posts regarding query which i was searching from past few days.I had taken some books in which thoughts on Church age has been described.The Book of Acts tells about the history of the early church. The Epistles give instruction to the church. But it is in the book of the Revelation that a prophetic history of the church is given. The whole book is about prophecy, so it is understandable that the messages to the seven churches of Asia were meant not only for the actual churches of that day, but for seven periods of church history that would describe conditions from the beginning of the Church Age to the end of it.The Book of the Revelation is unique in that the opening verses tell us that what follows was given to Jesus by His Father
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