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Quote from: gospel on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 11:28:03
Is this whats known as a bump?
Anyway, I'm trying to help make sure these Truths are not easily avoided

Exactly what part of Eph 4:4-6 did the Spirit get wrong? Was it not written according to gospel?

There is one body (of believers), and one Spirit (Mind), even as ye are called in one hope (intellectually reasoned & understood)) of your calling; 5 One Lord (Jesus), one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all (Jesus included), who is above all (Jesus included), and through all (Jesus included), and in you all (Jesus included). Eph 4:4-6

This shall be interesting    the Gospel according to gospel?

Shane

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 02:24:16

Quote from: gospel on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 11:28:03
Is this whats known as a bump?
Anyway, I'm trying to help make sure these Truths are not easily avoided

Exactly what part of Eph 4:4-6 did the Spirit get wrong? Was it not written according to gospel?

There is one body (of believers), and one Spirit (Mind), even as ye are called in one hope (intellectually reasoned & understood)) of your calling; 5 One Lord (Jesus), one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all (Jesus included), who is above all (Jesus included), and through all (Jesus included), and in you all (Jesus included). Eph 4:4-6

This shall be interesting    the Gospel according to gospel?

Shane

I'll tell you one thing thats for sure

We can failthfully count on you to squander away every opportunity TO NOT avoid a basic  question 

Why is the Holy Spirit called the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ?

The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is God

The Holy Spirit is also ANOTHER like Jesus

This means Jesus is another like God and God is ANOTHER like Jesus

So much so that...

The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is also called The Spirit of Christ


Please explain why God's Spirit and Christ's Spirit are one in the same...okay?   


seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.1 Peter 1:11

However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Romans 8:9

for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,Philippians 1:19

The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father.  You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.

The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)

"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)

"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).

The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high"  (Lk. 24:49).

Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).

Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).

This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only.  There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.

It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.  

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father.  You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.

The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)

"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)

"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).

The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high"  (Lk. 24:49).

Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).

Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).

This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only.  There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.

It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.  

There's that JW association again

They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God

Coincidentally I suppose 


http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746

Quote from: gospel on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father.  You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.

The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)

"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)

"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).

The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high"  (Lk. 24:49).

Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).

Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).

This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only.  There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.

It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.  

There's that JW association again

They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God

Coincidentally I suppose 


http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746

So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.

Nice going Gos!

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:46:26

Quote from: gospel on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father.  You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.

The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)

"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)

"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).

The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high"  (Lk. 24:49).

Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).

Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).

This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only.  There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.

It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.  

There's that JW association again

They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God

Coincidentally I suppose 


http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746

So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.

Nice going Gos!

Go back to your camp and tell them first and foremost The Holy Spirit is a Person!

Then come back and tell us what they said k?

Quote from: gospel on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:52:50

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:46:26

Quote from: gospel on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father.  You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.

The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)

"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)

"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).

The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high"  (Lk. 24:49).

Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).

Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).

This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only.  There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.

It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.  

There's that JW association again

They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God

Coincidentally I suppose 


http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746

So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.

Nice going Gos!

Go back to your camp and tell them first and foremost The Holy Spirit is a Person!

Then come back and tell us what they said k?

I know...because Gos said so.

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:54:14

Quote from: gospel on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:52:50

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:46:26

Quote from: gospel on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38

Quote from: skmorrison6 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father.  You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.

The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)

"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)

"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).

The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high"  (Lk. 24:49).

Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).

Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).

This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only.  There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.

It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.  

There's that JW association again

They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God

Coincidentally I suppose 


http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746

So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.

Nice going Gos!

Go back to your camp and tell them first and foremost The Holy Spirit is a Person!

Then come back and tell us what they said k?

I know...because Gos said so.

No if you did that you'd be more in error than ever...

So do it because Jesus consistently referred to Him as HE

He will Comfort, He Will teach you , He will lead you He will show you, He will tell you what to say

If that's not enough

Do it because The Bible says

The Holy Spirit said "Set apart "Set apart for ME Barnabas and Saul

and because

Peter said why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy
Spirit,

and because

The Holy Spirit said to Philip, "Go over and walk along beside the carriage."


and because

The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not
yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.


and because we do not fellowship with power but with beings


the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all

THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON

he has wisdom, knowledge, understanding  ............  Isaiah 11:2
he hears, speaks, guides  ......................................  John 16:13
he has a mind  ..................................  Romans 8:27, Acts 15:28  
he knows things, teaches  ........................  1 Corinthians 2:11,13
he loves  ...................................  Romans 15:30, Galatians 5:22
he speaks  ........................  Acts 8:29, 10:19, 13:2; Rev. 2:7, 2:17
he reveals things  ..............................  Luke 2:26, Ephesians 3:5
he leads, helps, intercedes  .....................  Romans 8:14, 8:26-27
he has a will, distributes gifts  ....................  1 Corinthians 12:11
he justifies (declares righteous!)  .................  1 Corinthians 6:11    
he forbids  ...........................................................  Acts 16:6-7
he devises plans  ...................................................  Isaiah 30:1
he comforts  .................................  Acts 9:31; John 14-16 (KJV)
he fellowships  ...................  Philippians 2:1, 2 Corinthians 13:14
he bears witness  ...............................  Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:6
he can be lied to, tested  ......................................  Acts 5:3-4, 9  
he can be insulted  ...........................................  Hebrews 10:29
he can be grieved (saddened)  .............  Isaiah 63:10, Ephes. 4:30
he can be quenched (hindered)  ...............  1 Thessalonians 5:19

Where'd all the "he"s come from? ... Or should they be "it"s?

Quote from: John Zain on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 18:44:34

THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON

he has wisdom, knowledge, understanding  ............  Isaiah 11:2
he hears, speaks, guides  ......................................  John 16:13
he has a mind  ..................................  Romans 8:27, Acts 15:28  
he knows things, teaches  ........................  1 Corinthians 2:11,13
he loves  ...................................  Romans 15:30, Galatians 5:22
he speaks  ........................  Acts 8:29, 10:19, 13:2; Rev. 2:7, 2:17
he reveals things  ..............................  Luke 2:26, Ephesians 3:5
he leads, helps, intercedes  .....................  Romans 8:14, 8:26-27
he has a will, distributes gifts  ....................  1 Corinthians 12:11
he justifies (declares righteous!)  .................  1 Corinthians 6:11    
he forbids  ...........................................................  Acts 16:6-7
he devises plans  ...................................................  Isaiah 30:1
he comforts  .................................  Acts 9:31; John 14-16 (KJV)
he fellowships  ...................  Philippians 2:1, 2 Corinthians 13:14
he bears witness  ...............................  Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:6
he can be lied to, tested  ......................................  Acts 5:3-4, 9  
he can be insulted  ...........................................  Hebrews 10:29
he can be grieved (saddened)  .............  Isaiah 63:10, Ephes. 4:30
he can be quenched (hindered)  ...............  1 Thessalonians 5:19

Where'd all the "he"s come from? ... Or should they be "it"s?

It's a power that comes from a person. I've seen what has happened to people that have blasphemed against the holy spirit and believe me when I tell you it is not pretty. Someone once lost a whole mouth full of teeth after saying some bad things about the holy spirit.

This is why it is very important not to judge a person because you never know who you are talking to or about, hence love your neighbor.

Quote from: John Zain on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 18:44:34

THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON

he has wisdom, knowledge, understanding  ............  Isaiah 11:2
he hears, speaks, guides  ......................................  John 16:13
he has a mind  ..................................  Romans 8:27, Acts 15:28  
he knows things, teaches  ........................  1 Corinthians 2:11,13
he loves  ...................................  Romans 15:30, Galatians 5:22
he speaks  ........................  Acts 8:29, 10:19, 13:2; Rev. 2:7, 2:17
he reveals things  ..............................  Luke 2:26, Ephesians 3:5
he leads, helps, intercedes  .....................  Romans 8:14, 8:26-27
he has a will, distributes gifts  ....................  1 Corinthians 12:11
he justifies (declares righteous!)  .................  1 Corinthians 6:11    
he forbids  ...........................................................  Acts 16:6-7
he devises plans  ...................................................  Isaiah 30:1
he comforts  .................................  Acts 9:31; John 14-16 (KJV)
he fellowships  ...................  Philippians 2:1, 2 Corinthians 13:14
he bears witness  ...............................  Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:6
he can be lied to, tested  ......................................  Acts 5:3-4, 9  
he can be insulted  ...........................................  Hebrews 10:29
he can be grieved (saddened)  .............  Isaiah 63:10, Ephes. 4:30
he can be quenched (hindered)  ...............  1 Thessalonians 5:19

Where'd all the "he"s come from? ... Or should they be "it"s?

Thanks---this is exactly what I was looking to post!

Quoteand because we do not fellowship with power but with beings


the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all

Don't you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. -John 14:10

Now I am no longer in the world. They are in the world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, guard them by the power of your name, which you have given to me, so that they may be one, just as we are. -John 17

I united with them and you with me, so that they may be completely one -John 17

What we have seen and heard, we are proclaiming to you; so that you too may have fellowship with us.
Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Yeshua the Messiah. -John 1:3

Two not three, if there were another "person" then surely he would be mentioned as part of our fellowship. In Christ our fellowship is full with God the Father and His Son.

For it pleased God to have his full being live in his Son and through his Son to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace through him, through having his Son shed his blood by being executed on a stake.

he has now reconciled in the Son's physical body through his death; in order to present you holy and without defect or reproach before himself

To them God wanted to make known how great among the Gentiles is the glorious richness of this secret. And the secret is this: the Messiah is united with you people! In that rests your hope of glory!

My purpose is that they may be encouraged, that they may be joined together in love, and that they may have all the riches derived from being assured of understanding and fully knowing God's secret truth, which is - the Messiah!
It is in him that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden.

Watch out, so that no one will take you captive by means of philosophy and empty deceit, following human tradition which accords with the elemental spirits of the world but does not accord with the Messiah.
For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is.

And it is in union with him that you have been made full - he is the head of every rule and authority. Also it was in union with him that you were circumcised with a circumcision not done by human hands, but accomplished by stripping away the old nature's control over the body. In this circumcision done by the Messiah, you were buried along with him by being immersed; and in union with him, you were also raised up along with him by God's faithfulness that worked when he raised Yeshua from the dead. -Colossians

Quote from: BornToReign on Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 21:06:43

Quoteand because we do not fellowship with power but with beings


the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all

Don't you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. -John 14:10

Now I am no longer in the world. They are in the world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, guard them by the power of your name, which you have given to me, so that they may be one, just as we are. -John 17

I united with them and you with me, so that they may be completely one -John 17

What we have seen and heard, we are proclaiming to you; so that you too may have fellowship with us.
Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Yeshua the Messiah. -John 1:3

Two not three, if there were another "person" then surely he would be mentioned as part of our fellowship. In Christ our fellowship is full with God the Father and His Son.

For it pleased God to have his full being live in his Son and through his Son to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace through him, through having his Son shed his blood by being executed on a stake.

he has now reconciled in the Son's physical body through his death; in order to present you holy and without defect or reproach before himself

To them God wanted to make known how great among the Gentiles is the glorious richness of this secret. And the secret is this: the Messiah is united with you people! In that rests your hope of glory!

My purpose is that they may be encouraged, that they may be joined together in love, and that they may have all the riches derived from being assured of understanding and fully knowing God's secret truth, which is - the Messiah!
It is in him that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden.

Watch out, so that no one will take you captive by means of philosophy and empty deceit, following human tradition which accords with the elemental spirits of the world but does not accord with the Messiah.
For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is.

And it is in union with him that you have been made full - he is the head of every rule and authority. Also it was in union with him that you were circumcised with a circumcision not done by human hands, but accomplished by stripping away the old nature's control over the body. In this circumcision done by the Messiah, you were buried along with him by being immersed; and in union with him, you were also raised up along with him by God's faithfulness that worked when he raised Yeshua from the dead. -Colossians

BTR you are so close .....so close that personally I think you are majoring in a minor

today is the tomorrow you talked about yesterday

still all of them, are today

3 dimensions were established by God for us to navigate through the material / physical realm

That is how we consciously perceive

Both time and space are 3 dimensional, they are relative to a greater truth, a truth we cannot quite grasp or wrap our finite minds around...surely you see that 

God has revealed Himself as a Father, The Son and His Spirit

They are ALL 3 ONE AND THE SAME

3 IN ONE

Jesus referred to the Father

Jesus referred to the Spirit of the Father

Each esteems the other more highly than themselves

Jesus prayed The Father to send Spirit of Promise, The Gift of the Father

Jesus in the Jordan, the Spirit descended the Father spoke

Why allow yourself to be thrown for a loop by misinterpreting other passages

Read my post in The Son of Promise where I refer to the Trinity according to Genesis 18

This is a spiritual thing not an intellectual one, it is has been made purposely ambiguous by God to confound the wise

Please

By the mercies of God do not be confounded my friend   

I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

Tell us all, then...who was God speaking to when He said, "Let us make man in our image"??

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

All of what you said is true and fine if you are done

Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that

even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him

Jesus made this clear and without question

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,


The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

All of what you said is true and fine if you are done

Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that

even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him

Jesus made this clear and without question

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,


The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1

I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.

The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.

BornToReign~

Tell us all, then...who was God speaking to when He said, "Let us make man in our image"??

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

All of what you said is true and fine if you are done

Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that

even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him

Jesus made this clear and without question

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,


The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1

I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.

The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.

No you're not in error...just your math  

The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it?  


Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:58:02

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

All of what you said is true and fine if you are done

Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that

even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him

Jesus made this clear and without question

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,


The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1

I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.

The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.

No you're not in error...just your math  

The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it?  


Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

Still offending people gospel. 

Maybe you should turn the mirror around and take a hard look - - you might not like what others see! 

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:58:02

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

All of what you said is true and fine if you are done

Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that

even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him

Jesus made this clear and without question

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,


The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1

I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.

The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.

No you're not in error...just your math  

The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it?  


Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

The name of Jesus.    

Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh,  -Matt.28:19CJB

The reality that is Yeshua.


Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  -Phil. 2:9-11ESV

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 19:41:43

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:58:02

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.

I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.


For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell  -Colo.1:19

All of what you said is true and fine if you are done

Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that

even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him

Jesus made this clear and without question

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,


The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1

I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.

The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.

No you're not in error...just your math  

The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it?  


Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

The name of Jesus.    

Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh,  -Matt.28:19CJB

The reality that is Yeshua.

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  -Phil. 2:9-11ESV

Okay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name

He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!

Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!

Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!

Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said

Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it

Here's some notes from
Barnes Notes

Baptizing them unto the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by a solemn profession of the only true religion, and by a solemn consecration to the service of the sacred Trinity.

The union of these three names in the form of baptism proves that the Son and Holy Spirit are equal with the Father. Nothing would be more absurd or blasphemous than to unite the name of a creature - a man or an angel - with the name of the ever-living God in this solemn rite. If Jesus was a mere man or an angel, as is held by many who deny his divinity, and if the Holy Spirit was a mere "attribute" of God, then it would have been the height of absurdity to use a form like this, or to direct the apostles to baptize people under them. How absurd would be the direction - nay, how blasphemous - to have said, "Baptize them unto God, and unto Paul, and unto the "wisdom or power" of God!" Can we believe that our Saviour would have given a direction so absurd as this? Yet, unless he himself is divine, and the Holy Spirit is divine, Jesus gave a direction substantially the same as this. The form of baptism, therefore, has been always regarded as an unbreakable argument for the doctrine of the Trinity, or that the Son and Holy Spirit are equal with the Father.

Quote gospel

QuoteOkay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name

He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!

Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!

Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!

Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said

Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it

Thats the problem with common sense.

Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  -Phil. 2:9-11ESV

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 20:02:05
Quote gospel

QuoteOkay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name

He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!

Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!

Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!

Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said

Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it

Thats the problem with common sense.

Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  -Phil. 2:9-11ESV

Okay BTR you are on record as believing there is no such thing as The Trinity is that correct?

I don't want to misquote you

So tell me if it is correct....

How does one get to be a moderator on a Christian Forum while not believing in The Trinity?

That's a pretty neat trick

Because from what I understand that violates Rule No 6 of the forum

Please explain

Also do you have any idea what happened to the Thread entitled

Can a Believer Be A Christian and Not Believe in the Trinity?

That was a historic thread in which Lighthammer and I actually agreed

It seems to have disappeared  

Pretty strange


Please disregard my comments about the thread ....either it turned up or I was looking in the wrong place

Quote from: gospel on Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:10:45

Quote from: BornToReign on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 20:02:05
Quote gospel

QuoteOkay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name

He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!

Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!

Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!

Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said

Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it

Thats the problem with common sense.

Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  -Phil. 2:9-11ESV

Okay BTR you are on record as believing there is no such thing as The Trinity is that correct?

I don't want to misquote you

So tell me if it is correct....

How does one get to be a moderator on a Christian Forum while not believing in The Trinity?

That's a pretty neat trick

Because from what I understand that violates Rule No 6 of the forum

Please explain

Also do you have any idea what happened to the Thread entitled

Can a Believer Be A Christian and Not Believe in the Trinity?

That was a historic thread in which Lighthammer and I actually agreed

It seems to have disappeared  

Pretty strange

Please disregard my comments about the thread ....either it turned up or I was looking in the wrong place

Quote from: gospel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:27:05

Each esteems the other more highly than themselves

Gospel,

After reading this post I felt very saddened that you can read the Whole Bible and draw to such broad unsupported conclusions.

I know we don't see eye to eye...but how can I sit back and see you make such sweeping statements with few, if any Bible Quotes to support.

Now not all of your responses are likened to this one, but surely you can see after reading this post how generalised your thoughts can be at times.

Lets consider the above.

How many places in the New Testament do we have God the Father manifesting His approval of the Son?  Like that of  Luke 9:35  "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Or "I am well pleased

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6.2 We do not expect members to accept or affirm this as a Creed as Grace-Centered recognizes no Creed but the Bible. We do, however, expect members to agree to the content below only because it is based on the Bible.

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

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Everyone is expected to abide by the Rules of Grace Centered Forums.  As Admin has reserved the right to allow those who do not believe or accept the above portion of the Rules, it would seem to me that any discussion/debate concerning not believeing in The Holy Trinity should take place in the Non-Traditiional Theology Forum.

QuoteJesus, the Son is the Word "made" flesh

and the Word was God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory

Isaiah 48:11 ESV
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.

Yeshua is God in the flesh.

I see it real clear now. I thought He was the Words of God in the flesh before, but I see the truth of it now.

Sometimes you can be told something or even read something and it just doesn't light up, and then you see it through the Spirit of God and you know it. even though it was there the whole time, so it really feels kinda goofy after you see, that you didn't see.

I knew Jesus died for me pretty much my whole life, I even believed it the whole time but, I didn't know it until 2007.

God is Spirit and He became flesh for a time then He returned to Himself Spirit.
He never stopped being Spirit, and that is why the Two are One.


1 John 1:3 ESV
that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:6 ESV
[Testimony Concerning the Son of God] This is he who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1 John 5:8 ESV
the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

And these three are Two that are One God.

John 4:24 ESV
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said,
"I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brnig all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 14:26

Quote from: p.rehbein on Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:00:15
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brnig all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 14:26

Yes. And that comforter is God.

1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said,
"I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

The only time He changed His form was when He became a man, but He never stopped being a Spirit.

Three makes body spirit spirit.  The third man is a liar. The reality is Body Spirit. The body is temporal, the Spirit is eternal.

Quote from: BornToReign on Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:07:42

Quote from: p.rehbein on Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:00:15
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brnig all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 14:26

Yes. And that comforter is God.

1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said,
"I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

Yes He is.  He is God the Holy Ghost.
1) God the Father
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
In he 14th Chapter of John, Jesus clearly establishes this fact and clearly speaks to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.  But then, that is my belief.  I do not demand that EVERYONE must believe as I do.  The Holy Trinity (3 persons in 1 in perfect harmony) is surely a mystery of the Scriptures.  One day we will all have perfect understanding though and there will be no more mystery or variances in interpretations of Scripture.

God bless

Quote from: BornToReign on Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:17:33
The only time He changed His form was when He became a man, but He never stopped being a Spirit.

Three makes body spirit spirit.  The third man is a liar. The reality is Body Spirit. The body is temporal, the Spirit is eternal.

Yes the third is also spirit. Both godspellfeller and liyliyth stoned will tell you that he is their scapegoat. They need to believe there is a third voice so that they are "covered" when they corrupt the scripture with their wonton desires of the flesh. Also, Christ is no more flesh but Soul (which was poured out unto death) Spirit only, (2 Corinthians 5:16). All of the Passover Lamb was to be consumed by the partakers in the same night: NONE of it was to be left even to the next morning, (which is the same day in Hebrew reckoning).

Quote from: daq on Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:44:46
godspellfeller

Vele is a good name to ponder.