Giants

Amo · Sat Mar 14, 2020 - 12:36:59

The Barbarian · Sat Mar 14, 2020 - 19:31:13

Still no actual evidence, but lots of newspaper stories? I think I know why.

dpr · Sun Mar 15, 2020 - 18:23:27

Dr. Barry Fell, a New Zealander, linguist, and Harvard trained archaeologist, wrote a book called America, B.C. back in the 1970's and updated it later. He documented early travelers to the Americas from Europe prior to the Vikings and Columbus.

Western schools of archaeology and anthropology try to smear Dr. Fell's research, some of them even claiming there is no Ogam script found in the Americas (which Dr. Fell blows their hype apart with evidence of Ogam engraved on stone in New England). They just don't like anyone playing with their Evolutionist theories, falsely claiming the ancients were a bunch of backward primitive cave dwellers.
https://ancientamerica.com/category/ogham-2/
http://viewzone2.com/ogam.html
https://faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/bronze/westva.htm
https://faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/bronze/westva_files/image001.gif

The Barbarian · Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 10:14:32

Quote from: dpr on Sun Mar 15, 2020 - 18:23:27
Dr. Barry Fell, a New Zealander, linguist, and Harvard trained archaeologist, wrote a book called America, B.C. back in the 1970's and updated it later. He documented early travelers to the Americas from Europe prior to the Vikings and Columbus.

Western schools of archaeology and anthropology try to smear Dr. Fell's research, some of them even claiming there is no Ogam script found in the Americas (which Dr. Fell blows their hype apart with evidence of Ogam engraved on stone in New England). They just don't like anyone playing with their Evolutionist theories, falsely claiming the ancients were a bunch of backward primitive cave dwellers.

Actually, evolution has nothing whatever to do with this. Polynesian sailors, beginning about 30,000 BC, explored the Pacific, and reached the Americas; their easternmost settlement being Easter Island.

It's highly likely that St. Brendan, before the Vikings, reached North America. None of this supports the idea of a race of giants.

Rella · Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 10:34:12

Barbarian,

How about leaving human beings out of the discussion fro a moment and tell me if you think this is "fake news"

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/aug/14/human-sized-penguin-fossil-discovered-in-new-zealand

The Barbarian · Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 17:10:17

Quote from: Rella on Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 10:34:12
Barbarian,

How about leaving human beings out of the discussion fro a moment and tell me if you think this is "fake news"

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/aug/14/human-sized-penguin-fossil-discovered-in-new-zealand

Yes. Because New Zealand is a large land area, but isolated from the rest of the world by a wide stretch of ocean, the only land mammals to get there before humans were bats. So there were no mammalian predators to be concerned about. Initially, there were no large marine mammals or land predators, and so many species of birds became huge, and most of them flightless. There was also a large burrowing bat, that seems to have spent most of its time walking around. There were a number of big penquins; the fossils are well-known.

Huge, grazing moas, all sorts of kiwis, a truly gigantic eagle that seemed to live on moas, and so on. The eagles and moas were still around when the Maoris arrived, but they died out shortly after. Moas must have been a tempting food item, and humans probably found the eagles to be dangerous enough to kill whenever possible. And when they killed off the moas, the eagle's food supply was gone.

Amo · Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 11:09:48

Quote from: The Barbarian on Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 10:14:32
Actually, evolution has nothing whatever to do with this. Polynesian sailors, beginning about 30,000 BC, explored the Pacific, and reached the Americas; their easternmost settlement being Easter Island.

It's highly likely that St. Brendan, before the Vikings, reached North America. None of this supports the idea of a race of giants.

This thread goes beyond just giants or not, as is obvious by now. It addresses the false narratives of history now extent as well, aided by the false deep time evolution scenario.

Amo · Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 11:36:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_tTehE4ILA

While I don't agree with everything the above video postulates, it addresses very real problems with evolution and the widely accepted historical narratives of the day. I'm not inclined to agree with the videos statements concerning the dividing of the world, or the need of satanic influence for the advanced intellect and accomplishments of the antediluvians. This is not to say that there was not any either. No doubt far more knowledge has been lost than we have begun to regain through time, much of that knowledge was applicable in a different world as well. Which change itself would account for much lost or no longer applicable knowledge while the world devolved and lost even that knowledge which was still applicable in a very changed world and environment. There is, has been, and will continue to be observable, testable scientific evidence which completely contradicts the historical and evolutionary narrative people today are being told is fact. So be it. The father of lies and all of his minions will be exposed in the end.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Those who reject the bibles creation and historical accounts, reject the very building blocks of biblical faith. These are they which have produced the false theory of evolution and the false historical narratives widely accepted today. Never mind the glaring contradictions to the same which do exist.

The Barbarian · Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 11:45:39

Quote from: Amo on Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 11:09:48
This thread goes beyond just giants or not, as is obvious by now. It addresses the false narratives of history now extent as well,

As you see, we debunked pretty much all the "ancient giant" false narratives. And the ones that turned out to be possibly true, were of skeletons smaller than the largest known modern humans.

Quoteaided by the false deep time evolution scenario.

Has nothing whatever to do with evolution or deep time. Your stories tell about things just a few thousand years ago.

Amo · Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 20:50:42

Quote from: The Barbarian on Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 11:45:39
As you see, we debunked pretty much all the "ancient giant" false narratives. And the ones that turned out to be possibly true, were of skeletons smaller than the largest known modern humans.

Has nothing whatever to do with evolution or deep time. Your stories tell about things just a few thousand years ago.

The infamous Barbarian "As you see" proclamation. Many of us do not share your delusional rantings to the effect that your arguments have proved anything. You haven't debunked anything or even addressed all of the accounts supplied. You have simply chosen to believe that a very large number of people throughout history decided to perpetrate the same prank over and over, rather than believing a few people in powerful institutions have chosen to hide or destroy evidence which would contradict their chosen theories concerning our origins. That is all.

Playing ignorant concerning the effects of proved devolution of humanity upon the present widely accepted narratives of deep time evolution and the history of humanity, changes nothing. It does however, suggest that you are not nearly as intelligent as you make yourself out to be in your arguments. If you cannot see the obvious effect such would have upon your precious theory, this certainly explains why you seem to exercise such blind faith in it.

The following video addresses another discovery which creates big problems concerning the same. As usual, aliens are one suggested explanation which I do not subscribe to, and the evidence found, examined, and written about has disappeared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I0HQ_x-xfA

Amo · Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 21:23:17

An informative sermon addressing scripture and advanced antediluvians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz9UohQYEfI

The Barbarian · Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 22:19:10

Quote from: Amo on Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 20:50:42
You have simply chosen to believe that a very large number of people throughout history decided to perpetrate the same prank over and over, rather than believing a few people in powerful institutions have chosen to hide or destroy evidence which would contradict their chosen theories concerning our origins. That is all.

It comes down to evidence. The likelihood that huge numbers of people were engaged in a multigenerational, international conspiracy is much less than the likelihood that a much smaller number of people made up stories for which they had no evidence.

QuotePlaying ignorant concerning the effects of proved devolution of humanity

People are measurably smarter now than they were a hundred years ago. Sports records continue to fall. Doesn't sound like "devolution" (which doesn't exist).

QuoteIt does however, suggest that you are not nearly as intelligent as you make yourself out to be in your arguments.

Well, you know how dumb old barbarians are...

Carry on with your aliens or whatever. When you get some facts, come on back and show us.

Amo · Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 10:50:48

Quote from: The Barbarian on Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 22:19:10
It comes down to evidence. The likelihood that huge numbers of people were engaged in a multigenerational, international conspiracy is much less than the likelihood that a much smaller number of people made up stories for which they had no evidence.

People are measurably smarter now than they were a hundred years ago. Sports records continue to fall. Doesn't sound like "devolution" (which doesn't exist).

Well, you know how dumb old barbarians are...

Carry on with your aliens or whatever. When you get some facts, come on back and show us.

Plenty of evidence has been supplied, you simply deny all and any which will not fit your chosen faith. You know my position does not include aliens, but scripture alone. Where did you get the people from 100 years ago to measure against people today in determining people today are smarter? Temporary improvements in health and stature due to increased knowledge and tech, do not equal evolution. To the contrary, these facts are directly in line with the notion that we are just now attaining to knowledge and tech we once already had. You have been supplied with many facts on this thread and other boards which you simply reject.

There is absolutely no question about the fact, that superior societies of old were built upon by less superior societies of later dates as increasingly new evidence ever increasingly reveals. You simply deny it and all artifacts which defy your false narrative, and declare all accounts given by those personally involved as lies, while clinging to the theories of those you choose by faith over and above the same. So be it. Like it or not, human artifacts of a high tech nature and tools found in solid rock or in coal said to be tens of thousands or millions of years old according to your false narrative, do trash the same. Some of which demonstrate a metallurgy, not even possible in our present atmosphere. Megalithic structures of the past which we would be hard pressed to build to day if we could at all, also suggest your narrative to be false, especially when there is evidence that less advanced societies built upon these more ancient ones, as is often the case. Go to, burry your head into the deep time sands of evolutionary theory and false historical narratives. This will change nothing.

The Barbarian · Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 11:31:27

Quote from: Amo on Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 10:50:48
Plenty of evidence has been supplied, you simply deny all and any which will not fit your chosen faith. You know my position does not include aliens, but scripture alone.

Probably a bad idea for you to be citing alien believers, then. As you learned, those "giant skeletons" all mysteriously disappear, and the ones that are real, are shorter than the tallest known modern humans.

QuoteWhere did you get the people from 100 years ago to measure against people today in determining people today are smarter?

IQ tests. The Binet test is over a hundred years old, now. It takes a much higher score on the Binet today, to get an IQ of 100. The test results are normalized, so the average result gets a 100.

QuoteTemporary improvements in health and stature due to increased knowledge and tech, do not equal evolution.

Right. We're larger and smarter now, mainly because of better education, nutrition, and health care. There is no "devolution", and out improvements in fitness are too sudden and too great be merely by evolution.

QuoteTo the contrary, these facts are directly in line with the notion that we are just now attaining to knowledge and tech we once already had. You have been supplied with many facts on this thread and other boards which you simply reject.

There is absolutely no question about the fact, that superior societies of old were built upon by less superior societies of later dates as increasingly new evidence ever increasingly reveals.

The problem is that "evidence" somehow always fails to turn up when requested. I'm pretty sure I know why.

QuoteSo be it. Like it or not, human artifacts of a high tech nature and tools found in solid rock or in coal said to be tens of thousands or millions of years old according to your false narrative, do trash the same.

Nope. None of those were found in undisturbed rock. It was always in a crevice or in recent deposits. Show us one that isn't and we'll take a look at it.

QuoteSome of which demonstrate a metallurgy, not even possible in our present atmosphere.

But you don't have any examples available to test? I think I know why.

QuoteMegalithic structures of the past which we would be hard pressed to build to day if we could at all,

But you can't name even one? I think I know why.

Amo · Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 12:35:50

Quote from: The Barbarian on Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 11:31:27
Probably a bad idea for you to be citing alien believers, then. As you learned, those "giant skeletons" all mysteriously disappear, and the ones that are real, are shorter than the tallest known modern humans.

IQ tests. The Binet test is over a hundred years old, now. It takes a much higher score on the Binet today, to get an IQ of 100. The test results are normalized, so the average result gets a 100.

Right. We're larger and smarter now, mainly because of better education, nutrition, and health care. There is no "devolution", and out improvements in fitness are too sudden and too great be merely by evolution.

The problem is that "evidence" somehow always fails to turn up when requested. I'm pretty sure I know why.

Nope. None of those were found in undisturbed rock. It was always in a crevice or in recent deposits. Show us one that isn't and we'll take a look at it.

But you don't have any examples available to test? I think I know why.

But you can't name even one? I think I know why.

Repeating nonsense, never makes it anything else. You have chosen a faith which denies basic biblical teaching in the creation and flood. You therefore deny any and all evidence which could support the same, and or the fact that a great many people wish to cover all such evidence up, and have been caught attempting to do so in the past. Determining all such declarations as false by all the liars as you see it, who actually believe scripture. Choosing instead to believe the testimony of a great many of whom are straight up atheists, or at the least deny the same biblical testimony that you do. So be it. You are fighting a war which you cannot win, though in this world you may think you are winning various battles and skirmishes. In the end, all who have fought against the testimony of God in the scriptures, will realize their folly to late for most unfortunately.

Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. 3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? 4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. 5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. 6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. 7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. 8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

In willing and chosen ignorance concerning the word of God in the testimony of holy scripture, you think we have now attained to some new and great level of existence and or technology. You have bought into and sell a completely false narrative in relation to the same. As the above scriptures testify, your false speculations and observations will be proved vanity in time according to the testimony of God's word. Your stance is not enlightened, it is ignorant. Fallen humanity apart from the testimony God has provided for them is not enlightened, to the contrary, there is no light in them.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. 21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. 22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Gen 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. 15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. 16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. 17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

Evolution is a farce. Humanity was created by God at the end of the creation of this world on the sixth day of creation. Man was made upright and fully mentally and physically capable of exercising dominion over this entire earth. Even after the fall, humanity immediately began building cities, farming and herding cattle and other animals as well, making and playing and composing music, and fully competent in metallurgy. They were highly advanced and capable but their thoughts and intents became evil only. Living long lives and having such talents to employ for evil purposes only, God decided to destroy most of humanity and the world and start over again. This, knowing full well of the loss of knowledge and ability that would accompany such a decision and exercise. Noah's descendants rapidly spread across the world and no doubt still maintained some of the pre-flood knowledge and know how. Which knowledge and know how quickly diminished as humanity and societies devolved in a world which would no longer support the longer life, or physical size and stamina of the antediluvians. Just as the physical and fossilized record of very large plants and animals of the past testify.

You reject all of this biblical testimony and any evidence supporting the same because you have chosen another faith. Your faith is in the unenlightened speculations and faulty observations of fallen humanity in direct contradiction to the testimony of scripture. So be it. Deny what you will and pretend that the scriptures do not say any of these things. This is the delusion which you have chosen, no one has forced it upon you. All who place such idols before the God of heaven and earth revealed in scripture, do so at their own peril. Repent!

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Why will you reject the testimony of God's word through His chosen prophets in the contradiction of fallen humanities wild speculations?

2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Amo · Sat Mar 28, 2020 - 19:52:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epW0wWScESQ

The above link is to another video yet again attributing advanced tech discovered were it should not be according to a false time scale to aliens, rather than the antediluvians. It is once again a metal object of mixed alloy which the prevalent false historical narrative does not allow for, but scripture itself explains.

dpr · Mon Mar 30, 2020 - 09:35:39

Quote from: The Barbarian on Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 10:14:32
Actually, evolution has nothing whatever to do with this. Polynesian sailors, beginning about 30,000 BC, explored the Pacific, and reached the Americas; their easternmost settlement being Easter Island.

It's highly likely that St. Brendan, before the Vikings, reached North America. None of this supports the idea of a race of giants.

Actually the theory of evolution has everything... to do with mainstream archaeology's smear campaign against what they call Diffusionism. I choose to believe God's Word as written, and what God shows happened is that at the tower of Babel event He confused the one tongue all peoples spoke, and then scattered the peoples to the four corners of the earth. At least archaeology agrees with how the American Indians got the Americas, via the Bering Strait. That supports Diffusionism, not evolution. It supports pre-Columbian travelers to the Americas. What the Harvard school of archaeology and Smithsonian Institute mostly support is the idea that the separate continents were like tadpoles developing in separate ponds, with no contact with each other. That idea is in alignment with the theory of evolution.

The Barbarian · Mon Mar 30, 2020 - 19:31:48

Quote from: dpr on Mon Mar 30, 2020 - 09:35:39
Actually the theory of evolution has everything... to do with mainstream archaeology's smear campaign against what they call Diffusionism. I choose to believe God's Word as written, and what God shows happened is that at the tower of Babel event He confused the one tongue all peoples spoke, and then scattered the peoples to the four corners of the earth. At least archaeology agrees with how the American Indians got the Americas, via the Bering Strait. That supports Diffusionism, not evolution. It supports pre-Columbian travelers to the Americas. What the Harvard school of archaeology and Smithsonian Institute mostly support is the idea that the separate continents were like tadpoles developing in separate ponds, with no contact with each other. That idea is in alignment with the theory of evolution.

Maybe it's time you told us what you think the four key elements of evolutionary theory are, and how it relates to whatever has you upset here. Tell us about it.

Amo · Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 10:57:51

https://www.facebook.com/greaterancestors/photos/a.155123127845912/2926758484015682/

https://greaterancestors.com/giant-arrowheads/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjDOqjbCXe4

Hmmmm. Giant arrowheads and instruments from mound builders who are so very often identified with giants in the many historical articles claiming to have found their bones.

Rella · Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 18:24:47

Quote from: Amo on Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 10:57:51
https://www.facebook.com/greaterancestors/photos/a.155123127845912/2926758484015682/

https://greaterancestors.com/giant-arrowheads/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjDOqjbCXe4

Hmmmm. Giant arrowheads and instruments from mound builders who are so very often identified with giants in the many historical articles claiming to have found their bones.

Very cool.

Wonder what Barbarian will come up with as to who used these large pieces.

The Barbarian · Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 22:15:39

The Hopewell culture created a series of gigantic earthworks across southern Ohio between A.D.1 and 400.

One of the largest of these was the Hopewell Mound Group, now part of Hopewell Culture National Historical Park in Ross County. This is where archaeologists first recognized the distinctive characteristics of this ancient American Indian culture, which they named after the site.
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The largest mound at the Hopewell Mound Group was Mound 25, a rather uninspired name for a mound that was the size of a three-story building spread over two city blocks and that contained the largest number of iconic Hopewell artifacts ever found in a mound.

Among the amazing objects there were several large spear points made from obsidian. Obsidian is volcanic glass and most of the Hopewell obsidian was quarried from Obsidian Cliff in Yellowstone Park.

Though they look like spear points, some of them are more than a foot long, much too big to have been used to tip spears. So what were they used for?

Ohio State University archaeologist Richard Yerkes; Ariane Pépin, a graduate student at the University of Quebec at Chicoutimi; and Jay Toth, a retired tribal archaeologist, studied the edges of these artifacts under high-powered magnification to see whether they could identify wear patterns that would reveal how they had been used by the Hopewell.

They reported their results in their contribution to the new book, "Encountering Hopewell in the Twenty-First Century, Ohio and Beyond, Volume 2: Settlements, Foodways and Interaction."

Yerkes and Pépin examined eight large obsidian points from the collections of the Ohio History Connection. They found that none of the points had traces of use, but four of them had wear patterns along their bases that indicated they had been attached to handles or shafts.

So they were hafted onto wooden spears, but not one was ever actually used. Can you think of reason for that?

Rella · Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:10:44

Quote from: The Barbarian on Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 22:15:39
The Hopewell culture created a series of gigantic earthworks across southern Ohio between A.D.1 and 400.

One of the largest of these was the Hopewell Mound Group, now part of Hopewell Culture National Historical Park in Ross County. This is where archaeologists first recognized the distinctive characteristics of this ancient American Indian culture, which they named after the site.
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The largest mound at the Hopewell Mound Group was Mound 25, a rather uninspired name for a mound that was the size of a three-story building spread over two city blocks and that contained the largest number of iconic Hopewell artifacts ever found in a mound.

Among the amazing objects there were several large spear points made from obsidian. Obsidian is volcanic glass and most of the Hopewell obsidian was quarried from Obsidian Cliff in Yellowstone Park.

Though they look like spear points, some of them are more than a foot long, much too big to have been used to tip spears. So what were they used for?

Ohio State University archaeologist Richard Yerkes; Ariane Pépin, a graduate student at the University of Quebec at Chicoutimi; and Jay Toth, a retired tribal archaeologist, studied the edges of these artifacts under high-powered magnification to see whether they could identify wear patterns that would reveal how they had been used by the Hopewell.

They reported their results in their contribution to the new book, "Encountering Hopewell in the Twenty-First Century, Ohio and Beyond, Volume 2: Settlements, Foodways and Interaction."

Yerkes and Pépin examined eight large obsidian points from the collections of the Ohio History Connection. They found that none of the points had traces of use, but four of them had wear patterns along their bases that indicated they had been attached to handles or shafts.

So they were hafted onto wooden spears, but not one was ever actually used. Can you think of reason for that?

Can I think of a reason for that.

Absolutely.

They would not be needed. The very sight of one of these would send an enemy scurrying away, or simply dying of fear.

Here is another question.

IF there were not giants as one generally perceives a giant to be were there large animals?

I am referring to those of the dinosaur sizes that we have been taught of.

Also, I find this article to be of interest.

Of course you will say it is fake news and never happened... Perhaps you are correct. It is, after all, only the
Smithsonian.

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/smithsonian-admits-to-destruction-of-thousands-of-giant-human-skeletons-in-early-1900s/

And talking of skeletons... aside from giants....

Why do you suppose it is that when "they" go on archaeological digs, and turn up partial building and pieces of pottery and even arrow heads and the like they only seem to turn up the skeleton of one or two people, and not the many or even hundreds on would expect to find of a group that would have been living there when it was thriving?

You really and truly do not hear so much of human... or animal for that matter... remains as much as the "artifacts" that were left behind. Yes, they have found more with the "native Americans" over hear... but what of all the others?

You would think that the museums would be filled to over flowing with examples. They are not.

Have you covered this one here yet? .... I have not checked all the links here , yet.

https://www.gaia.com/article/giant-skeletons-have-been-found-buried-in-mounds-across-america The pic below is in this link...

While this picture was exposed as a fake from the link....(https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/top-ten-giant-discoveries-north-america-005196)

This fascinating discovery reports on a giant mummy found in San Diego (that is currently believed to be a hoax). However, let's take a closer look, as there is some intrigue and inconsistency with this popular story. This first report appeared in 1895 with the sub-headings " Nine Feet High and Probably a California Indian. Measurement Well Authenticated. Other Big Men and Women of Fact and Fable Who Are Famous Types if Gigantism. " When accurately measured it turned out to be 8ft 4 inches and was " carefully inspected and measured by Prof. Thomas Wilson, Curator of the Department of Prehistoric Anthropology in the Smithsonian Institution, and by other scientists." 3

Thirteen years later—in 1908—when the mummy was being exhibited, the Smithsonian ran some tests and suddenly dismissed it as a hoax, saying it was made from "gelatin." The fact that it took that long, and after spending $500 to acquire it, plus the fact that it was " carefully inspected " by experts thirteen years earlier does suggest there may be more to this story than meets the eye.

Interestingly, Aleš Hrdlička, joined the Smithsonian in 1903, right in between the discovery and the final debunking. He was not interested in giants and made a concerted effort to eradicate them from the historical record. It is also interesting to note that the Director of Prehistoric Anthropology, Thomas Wilson, and the ethnologist in charge. W. J. McGee were both involved in this story, and were obviously keen to make sure the Smithsonian got it back to their headquarters at an immense cost ($500 in 1895 equates to $14,285 today). But why would they bother doing that if it was simply a sideshow hoax?

and this............

Why shall it be kept a secret that human giants have existed?

http://www.sydhav.no/giants/secret.htm

Rella · Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:31:43

While the following link could carry its own thread, I have provided it here , purely for interest and not as proof of giants at all.

Nephilim

In 1928, Peruvian archaeologist Julio Tello discovered an enormous intricately designed graveyard containing some of the largest skulls ever found. Some of the skulls were believed to be over 3,000 years old. A recent DNA test found that the DNA contained in these skulls had mutations unknown to human, primate, or animal. Had Tello found a Nephilim tomb? Many are still unsure, and scientists have yet to prove otherwise.

http://www.the13thfloor.tv/2017/04/06/proof-of-the-actual-existence-and-extinction-of-giants/

The Barbarian · Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:53:46

Quote from: Rella on Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:10:44
Can I think of a reason for that.

Absolutely.

They would not be needed. The very sight of one of these would send an enemy scurrying away, or simply dying of fear.

Possibly. Or, as in certain weapons used ceremonially by guards in some nations, they might have merely been for display. Or as sometimes in Central America, they were used as currency. Clearly, they weren't used as actual weapons.

QuoteHere is another question.

IF there were not giants as one generally perceives a giant to be were there large animals?

Still are. Elephants and giraffes, for example. There was also a huge hominoid, Gigantopithecus. It was about ten feet tall and maybe 1000 lbs. Taller than all but the tallest of known humans, and much,much more massive. It died out around the last ice age, so humans likely encountered it in the tropics of what is now China. Seems to be most closely related to orangutans.

QuoteOf course you will say it is fake news and never happened... Perhaps you are correct. It is, after all, only the
Smithsonian.

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/smithsonian-admits-to-destruction-of-thousands-of-giant-human-skeletons-in-early-1900s/

It's the World News Daily. Not notably for accuracy. At your link:
The American entertainment conglomerate Warner Bros. won an international auction held last night by the World Health Organization, outbidding Disney and Netflix with an amazing $12,855,000,000 for the exclusive cinematographic rights on all future movies concerning the Covid-19 pandemic.

And that's not the weirdest thing. Some of it would probably get me warned, if I posted it here.

QuoteAnd talking of skeletons... aside from giants....

Why do you suppose it is that when "they" go on archaeological digs, and turn up partial building and pieces of pottery and even arrow heads and the like they only seem to turn up the skeleton of one or two people, and not the many or even hundreds on would expect to find of a group that would have been living there when it was thriving?

Mostly because people, including skeletons, generally decompose and are gone in a few decades. There have been billions of people living on Earth, but finding an ancient skeleton is a rather rare thing.

QuoteWhy shall it be kept a secret that human giants have existed?

We have modern examples...
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2019/2/a-history-of-record-breaking-giants-100-years-after-the-tallest-man-in-the-world-511577/

Extremely large humans tend to be relatively weak, and have a lot of health problems. That's because strength increases as the square of length, but mass increases as the cube of length.

This is why the skeletons and movements of cats and elephants are so different.

Rella · Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 08:38:55

Quote from: The Barbarian on Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:53:46

Mostly because people, including skeletons, generally decompose and are gone in a few decades. There have been billions of people living on Earth, but finding an ancient skeleton is a rather rare thing.

So then a giant giant could be considered quite real if it was old enough.

Of interest to me was a discovery, admittedly alledgedly as not proof ...in West Hickory PA ... about an hours drive drom me
by way of our current roads.

West Hickory is very close to the West Virginian and Ohio borders where there have been numerous "giant" mounds reported.

So, back in the day this whole tri-state area would have been thought of as one.

_______________________________________________

Pennsylvania Giant Skeleton with Helmet and Sword, 1870

http://www.giantsinthebible.com/pennsylvania-giant-skeleton-with-helmet-and-sword-1870/

_______________________________________________

What annoys me is You can bet someone got hold of the helmit and sword..... It is said that they were taken to Tionesta (PA) in the newspaper clipping... .. I read nothing now of what happened to them.

This was long before LONG before indian ( Native Americans) grave sites were honored as a do not disturb....

Another article linked in the link says they were going to be taken to New York... and the joints were being glued at the time.

But with a newspaper report... no pictures?

This one is too lose to home.... for me.

I see if I can find out what happened in New York

Amo · Sat Jul 18, 2020 - 09:28:40

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-archaeologists-find-hidden-pattern-at-gobekli-tepe-1.8799837

Quoted article below is from link above. Emphasis is mine, my comments in blue.

QuoteIsraeli Archaeologists Find Hidden Pattern at 'World's Oldest Temple' Göbekli Tepe

Neolithic hunter-gatherers who erected massive monoliths in central Turkey 11,500 years ago had command of geometry and a much more complex society than previously thought, archaeologists say

The enigmatic monoliths built some 11,500 years ago at Göbekli Tepe have been puzzling archaeologists and challenging preconceptions about prehistoric culture since their discovery in the 1990s. Chiefly, how could hunter-gatherers with a supposedly primitive societal structure build such monumental stone circles on this barren hilltop in what is today southeastern Turkey? How could a largely nomadic society at the dawn of agriculture marshal the resources and know-how to create what its discoverers have dubbed the oldest known temple in the world?

If anything, a discovery by Israeli archaeologists suggests the Göbekli Tepe construction project was even more complex than previously thought, and required an amount of planning and resources thought to be impossible for those times. Their study of the three oldest stone enclosures at Göbekli Tepe has revealed a hidden geometric pattern, specifically an equilateral triangle, underlying the entire architectural plan of these structures.

This implies that, in contrast to the prevailing assumption among Göbekli researchers until now, these three circles were planned as a single unit and possibly built at the same time, say archaeologists Gil Haklay and Avi Gopher of Tel Aviv University.

Thus, thousands of years before the invention of writing or the wheel, the builders of Göbekli Tepe evidently had some understanding of geometric principles and could apply them to their construction plans, concludes the study published in January in the Cambridge Archaeological Journal.

"The initial discovery of the site was a big surprise and we are now showing that its construction was even more complex than we thought," says Haklay, an Israel Antiquities Authority archaeologist and a PhD candidate at Tel Aviv University.

The first phase of construction at Göbekli Tepe, or "potbellied hill" in Turkish, has been dated to between 12,000 and 11,000 years ago. This is the earliest part of the Neolithic, also known as Pre-Pottery Neolithic A (or PPNA), around the time people in the Northern Levant began domesticating plants and animals, launching the Agricultural Revolution.

The site's builders erected several concentric stone circles, setting into the walls massive T-shaped pillars that reached almost six meters in height, many of which were decorated with reliefs of animals and other motifs. These circles appear to have been built around pairs of pillars positioned roughly in their center.

Only four circles from the PPNA, dubbed enclosures A, B, C, and D, have been excavated so far, but surveys have shown there are at least 15 more scattered around the hill, as well as half a dozen other similar unexplored sites across southeastern Turkey.

An unexpected pattern

The new study focused on enclosures B,C, and D, which are known to be slightly older than A. Based on the assumption that such a massive construction project would have been beyond the capacities of the small, non-sedentary groups that usually comprise hunter-gatherer societies, most scholars have assumed that all the circles at Göbekli Tepe had to have been built gradually over a long period of time.

"There is a lot of speculation that the structures were built successively, possibly by different groups of people, and that one was covered up while the next one was being built. But there is no evidence that they are not contemporaneous," Haklay tells Haaretz.

Haklay, who formerly worked as an architect, applied a method called architectural formal analysis, which is used to trace the planning principles and methods used in the design of existing structures.

Using an algorithm, he identified the center points of the three irregular stone circles. Not surprisingly, those points fell roughly mid-way between the pair of central pillars in each enclosure. What was surprising, however, was that those three points could be linked to form a nearly perfect equilateral triangle. Specifically, the vertices are about 25 centimeters away from forming a perfect triangle with sides measuring 19.25 meters each.

"I certainly did not expect this," Haklay recalls. "The enclosures all have different sizes and shapes so the odds that these center points would form an equilateral triangle by chance are very low."

The finding confirms previous research by Haklay and Gopher at other sites showing that architects in the Neolithic or even in the late Paleolithic didn't build shelters and homes haphazardly but had the ability to apply rudimentary geometric principles and create standard units of measurement.

At Göbekli Tepe, the discovery of the pattern is evidence of a complex abstract design that could not be realized without first creating a scaled floor plan, Haklay says. At a time when the invention of writing was millennia away, this could be accomplished, for example, by using reeds of equal length to create a rudimentary blueprint on the ground, he suggests.

"Each enclosure subsequently went through a long construction history with multiple modifications, but at least in an initial phase they started as a single project," the archaeologist concludes. "The implication is that a single project at Göbekli Tepe was three times larger than previously thought and required three times as much manpower – a level that is unprecedented in hunter-gatherer societies."

Suddenly, social stratification

The construction would have required hundreds or maybe thousands of workers and could be taken to mark the birth of a more stratified society, with a level of sophistication previously seen only in later, sedentary groups of farmers, says Gopher, an archaeology professor at Tel Aviv University and Haklay's PhD advisor.

"This is where it starts: The sharing instinct of hunter-gatherer societies is reduced and inequality is growing; someone is running the show – I don't know if it's shamans or political leaders, but this is a society that has an architect and somebody who initiates a project like this and has the power to make it happen," Gopher says.

The new study is "an amazing contribution to the understanding" of this enigmatic site, says Anna Belfer-Cohen, an archaeology professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and an expert on late prehistory. However, given that there are many stone circles at Göbekli Tepe and other sites nearby that have yet to be excavated, we don't know if the same conclusions can be applied to all these enclosures, cautions Belfer-Cohen, who did not take part in the study.

"These three enclosures may have been built together, but it doesn't mean that the others were not constructed as single units, perhaps by different groups," she says. "We have only uncovered the tip of the iceberg of this phenomenon, but it is more likely that there were many different groups that considered this entire area sacred and converged on it to erect the enclosures, rather than a single group that went crazy and just constructed these complexes day and night."

The new world order

How and why Neolithic hunter-gatherers would mobilize the massive resources needed to build Göbekli Tepe and other sites like it is the subject of much speculation. While some researchers have interpreted the structures as residential spaces, most archaeologists see little evidence of this and consider the sheer monumentality of the complex and the richness of its iconography as evidence of a ritual purpose.

The massive T-shaped pillars and the reliefs on them – animal and human-like - have been interpreted as totems: perhaps representations of protective spirits, possibly long-deceased ancestors, some of whom were believed to take on animal form. The idea that the zoomorphic and anthropomorphic images may represent the venerated dead was reinforced by the recent discovery of modified skull fragments buried at the site, which many researchers consider to be evidence of ancestor cults (similarly to the interpretation of stone masks found throughout the Levant from about 9,000 years ago).

The identification of the hidden geometrical pattern strengthens the interpretation of Göbekli Tepe as a cultic site, say Haklay and Gopher. The southern side of the triangle runs through the central stone pillars of enclosures B and C, creating a base for the polygon. The axis perpendicular to this line runs through the entire site and ends in the center of enclosure D, which can be interpreted as the top of the pyramid.

This suggests that the builders understood and wished to represent the idea of a hierarchy, perhaps intending to crystalize the new order of a less equal and more stratified society, Haklay and Gopher maintain.

The stratification was not limited to human relations: it suggests a change in the perceived relationship between humans and nature, the archaeologists suggest. That's because of what is found at the top of the triangle, at the center of enclosure D.

While the site's signature T-shaped pillars have all been interpreted as stylized human figures, the central monoliths of enclosure D are the only ones that are clearly anthropomorphic, bearing reliefs of hands, a belt, and possibly a loincloth. Placing these human depictions at the top of this triangle would have been a powerful message, and represented an ideological departure from the animal-centric canons of Paleolithic art.

"In Paleolithic art humans are rare, and this is true here as well, but you start to see change, the beginning of an anthropocentric world view in which animals and plants are no longer equal to humans but are subordinated to them," Gopher tells Haaretz.

In other words, Göbekli Tepe may have been designed, consciously or unconsciously, to represent and perhaps explain humanity's growing ability to manipulate its environment, which, in the coming centuries, would lead to the first domesticated crops in this very region, the researchers say.

"The end of the hunter-gatherer lifestyle is more of an ideological transformation than an economic or technological one," Gopher maintains. "Hunter-gatherers cannot domesticate anything, it's against their world view, which is based on equality and trust. Once that ideology changes, the entire structure of society is transformed and a new world is born."

There is no end to the wild speculations of those who have submitted to the false historical narratives which contradict the plain testimony of scripture. The above evidence leads where those of these false narratives simply do not want to go, so they come up with every and any type of alternate explanation they can. Nevertheless, for any who care to notice, all such is admittedly referred to as assumption, presumption, or speculation. Humanity was created by God fully capable of building complex structures and societies. No matter how much evidence they continue to find suggesting this very thing, they simply will not go where the evidence actually leads, which is away fro their wild speculations based upon the prevailing false narratives of history. This choice they continually and deliberately make, has nothing to do with actual evidence, but rather the manipulation of evidence in accordance with their chosen narratives. So be it. No doubt this project like many others, will be stalled or eventually abandoned if evidence found within it continues to point where they do not want to go.

Amo · Sat Aug 22, 2020 - 10:07:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=804&v=1YwmZlT-6ZQ&feature=emb_logo

Another video regarding the many recorded accounts of giant human bones being found.

Amo · Sat Aug 29, 2020 - 18:35:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPixqRq-zXg

This video addresses the ongoing conclusions world wide, that lower tech societies of the past built upon the higher tech remnants of societies which existed before them. This one is concerning the megalithic structures of South America. As is almost always the case, the video does not subscribe to the biblical account of the flood which no doubt left behind these remnants discovered by later lower tech peoples and societies.

The present false narrative of history ascribes these high tech remnants to the more primitive peoples who built upon them. Not wanting to go toward the scriptural account, where the evidence leads either. So be it.

Amo · Sat Aug 29, 2020 - 18:38:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7UmGEMduI8

This video addresses the same issue concerning the pyramids and such.

Amo · Sun Aug 30, 2020 - 19:23:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huXQkNl8wDk

About four and a half minutes into this video, they discuss an apparent wheel buried very deep, where it absolutely should not belong.

Amo · Sun Aug 30, 2020 - 19:27:44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9P3pm9vks

A shoe print, that would have to be 15 million years old according to present historical narratives.

Amo · Sun Sep 13, 2020 - 09:45:19

https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/massive-3000-year-old-mayan-structure-discovered-in-mexico/

QuoteMassive 3,000-year-old Mayan structure discovered in Mexico

The largest ever construction of the Mayan civilization has been unearthed in Mexico's Tabasco State roughly 850 miles east of Mexico City.

The finding consists of a platform topped with a 13-foot tall pyramid and multiple other structures which date from the early Mayan civilization roughly 3,000 years ago, according to a new paper in the journal Nature.

The ruins have been sitting in plain sight, but have laid undiscovered amid the region's dense ranch lands.

"It's fairly hard to explain, but when you walk on the site, you don't quite realize the enormity of the structure," the lead author of the paper told National Geographic. "It's over 30 feet high, but the horizontal dimensions are so large that you don't realize the height."

More evidence of higher tech. and advanced societies further back in time, in another area of the world. As the evidence continues to increasingly suggest biological, technological, and societal devolution over time, rather than evolution. The natural world, and human societies of the past are continuously revealing superior size, complexity, and ability than the more recent recorded past of the last few thousand years. Nevertheless, deep time evolutionist scenarios, and alien theories abound while the plain simple truths of scripture in relation to the same are ignored by those with itching ears. So be it.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Amo · Sun Sep 13, 2020 - 10:43:56

https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-well-7000-years-old-oldest-wooden-structure-1485421

QuoteAncient Well Found to Be Over 7,000 Years Old, Making It the Oldest Wooden Structure Ever Discovered

A 7,000 year-old well built by Neolithic farmers is the oldest-known wooden structure on the planet, according to archaeologists.

The "unique" find had researchers scrambling to excavate the area where it was found: a strip of motorway between the regions of Bohemia and Moravia in the north of the Czech Republic.

"We had no idea that the first farmers, who only had tools made of stone, bones, horns, or wood, were able to process the surface of felled trunks with such precision," Jaroslav Peška, who heads the Archaeological Centre in Olomouc, Moravia, told Radio Prague International in 2019.

Peška and colleagues used tree-ring (dendrochronologically) dating to determine when exactly the square-based well (80 cm x 80 cm x 140 cm) was constructed. They then checked the results against radiocarbon dated samples from the well, as well as a radiocarbon dated hazelnut and oak charcoal fragment found nearby.

"According to our findings, based particularly on dendrochronological data we can say that the tree trunks for the wood used were felled in the years 5255 and 5256 BCE," said Peška. "The rings on the trunks enable us to give a precise estimate, give [or] take one year, as to when the trees were felled."

The researchers noticed that one plank of wood was younger than the main construction, suggesting a repair was made circa 5241–5224 BCE.

However, the well is unique not just because of its age, but because of the building techniques used during its construction.

According to Peška and colleagues' paper in Journal of Archeological Science, to be published this year, it contains marks of construction techniques consistent with those used in the Bronze, Iron and even the Roman ages—ages that took place thousands of years after the Early Neolithic.

A spate of construction projects has led to a surge in archaeological discoveries in the Czech Republic—this is the third (and oldest) Neolithic well found in the country in four years.

The structure, discovered near the town of Ostrov in East Bohemia, is an isolated construction, say archaeologists. This suggests it may have served multiple settlements within the region.

A piece of antler, a ceramic bowl and a scattering of bird bones were found nearby. The team also found pottery fragments that appear to date back to the Linear Pottery (or Danube) Culture during the Early Neolithic period, as Europe transitioned to agriculture.

"These people likely built simply-structured houses and domesticated animals. And they were skilled at making ceramic objects," said Peška.

Similar wells with wooden structures from the around the same time-period have been found in Hungary, Czech Republic and Germany. Not all have been dated using dendrochronology, which means the well at Ostrov may hang on to its title as the world's oldest on a technicality.

The study's authors say they may have been brought over from South-Western Asia. Alternatively, they may have been developed to meet the specific needs of the region.

Previous research has suggested the period between 5400 to 5101 BCE was marked by severe dry and wet spring-summer seasons, with high levels of variability year-on-year. This unpredictable climate would have made wells an important resource for communities living nearby.

The wooden well has managed to survive the thousands of years that have passed since it was built because it has been submerged in water. The study's authors explain that had it been taken out of the water and left to dry out, it would very quickly crumble.

Therefore, the water is to be replaced with a conservation agent you might find in your kitchen cupboard: plain white sugar.

Researchers at the University of Pardubice in the Czech Republic have helped to preserve the wooden structure by placing the planks in a sucrose solution. Over a period of several months, the solution will fortify the wood's cellular structure.

More advanced or shall we say complex techniques of building found further back in time than those of the increasingly reputed narrative of history allowed for. The false evolutionary narrative of simple to complex closely tied to the false historical narrative of the same concerning human development and society is continually proved wrong with discoveries refuting once established time frames according to the same false narratives. This article ignores of course, the already established high tech stone work found further back in time as well. As though those capable of such, could not also work with wood to the same effect or efficiency. Same old false conclusions and presumptions based upon the false evolutionary narratives of deep time slowly developing complexity of life, and human society. Both were complex from the beginning as ever increasing evidence repeatedly suggests, which those of the opposite faith choose to ignore and are therefore constantly amazed by supposed shock of finding the primitives they have created in their own minds accomplished. On and on the vain imaginings go. All evidence to the contrary be damned.

Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Amo · Sun Sep 13, 2020 - 11:08:39

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168787

QuoteAncient Structure Found in Sea of Galilee

Underwater archaeologists have found an ancient structure built from large basalt stones, under the Sea of Galilee, Lake Kinneret.

.......................................

https://rense.com/general4/blacksea.htm

QuoteTraces Of Ancient Structure Found 95 Meters Below Black Sea

Off the coast of northern Turkey, 311 feet (95 meters) below the Black Sea, explorer Robert Ballard has discovered remains of an ancient structure that was apparently flooded in a deluge of biblical proportions. The find may lend credence to a theory that a Black Sea flood gave rise to the Noah story and other flood legends......................

https://archaeology-world.com/massive-structure-found-buried-in-sands-of-petra/

QuoteMASSIVE STRUCTURE FOUND BURIED IN SANDS OF PETRA

According to a new study based on satellite imaging to map the ancient city, archaeologists have found the monumental building hidden under the sands of Petra.

A massive 184-footed platform was revealed by satellite surveys of the city, with an interior platform that was paved with flagstones, lined with columns on one side and with a gigantic staircase descending to the east. A smaller structure, 28ft by 28ft, topped the interior platform and opened to the staircase. Pottery found near the structure suggests the structure could be more than 2,150 years old.............................

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/revealed-remarkable-ancient-structure-found-just-two-miles-stonehenge-a7190476.html

QuoteRemarkable ancient structure found just two miles from Stonehenge

Exclusive: Stonehenge had a close, wooden rival of gigantic proportions - that was cut down before completion and buried for thousands of years. Now, thanks to a long-awaited excavation, its story can be revealed for the first time

Remarkable new archaeological discoveries are beginning to suggest that Stonehenge was built at a time of particularly intense religious and political rivalry.

Just two miles north-east of the World Heritage site, at an important archaeological complex known as Durrington Walls, archaeologists have just discovered what appears to have been a vast 500-metre diameter circle of giant timber posts. The find is of international significance.............................

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/47926991/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/mysterious-structure-found-ancient-lake-so-what-it/#.X15Cqi2ZNeM

QuoteMysterious structure found on ancient lake - so what is it?

Archaeologists have unearthed the foundation of what appears to have been a massive, ancient structure, possibly a bridge leading to an artificial island, in what is now southeast Wales. The strange ruin, its discoverers say, is unlike anything found before in the United Kingdom and possibly all of Europe.

"It's a real mystery," said Steve Clarke, chairman and founding member of the Monmouth Archaeological Society, who discovered the structural remains earlier this month in Monmouth, Wales — a town known for its rich archaeological features. "Whatever it is, there's nothing else like it. It may well be unique."...............................

On and on and on the discoveries go. An article here, an article there. If they could all be collected and put into one publication, what a different view of history might we have?

Amo · Sat Sep 19, 2020 - 12:31:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w7gzIQAHf0

Good video addressing the present false narratives of history. Bad video concerning the non biblical conclusions it comes too. Scriptural narrative easily explains the new evidence and or anomalies which cast serious doubt upon the present widely accepted false narrative of evolution and history. The makers of the video simply do not want to go there. So be it.

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