She wanted to talk about it.

[Rella]

Decades ago there was a joke making the rounds about the old woman who went to the police station and vividly described how she had been accosted and raped... and when the cops asked her when it happened she said 40 years ago.

They wanted to know why she was telling them about it now as it was too late to make a complaint and she said "Oh I am not complaining, I just wanted to talk about it.

WELL, meet Jessica Leeds.

Leeds, 81, told the jury in the civil trial, being held at the Daniel Patrick Moynihan U.S. Courthouse in lower Manhattan, that she was 37 years old when Trump assaulted her.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2nd-woman-testifies-trump-sexually-assaulted-her-183122312.html

[Jaime]

Strange is all I can say.

[Texas Conservative]

How much will they pay me to say that Trump sexually assaulted me?

[3 Resurrections]

How much will they pay me to say that Trump sexually assaulted me?

Thank you for beginning my day with humor...

[mommydi]

So she was on an airplane where an unknown man kissed her, touched her breasts, and put his hand up her skirt to feel her out - but she can't remember where she was headed, what airline, which approximate date?  No woman would forget such details. It's also hard to believe that a stranger could stick his hand up her dress to feel her out, and she didn't report it to at least a flight attendant - at the least.
Years ago, my daughter and I went to a concert in Biloxi, MS, where we met up with my sister. While at the concert, a drunk dude walked behind us grabbed us all by the butt as he passed.
I happen to remember it was April, daughter and I took American Airlines and had a layover in Houston due to stormy weather. We stayed at the Beau Rivage hotel in Biloxi and were at the Hall and Oates concert there in the hotel theater when the incident happened. I could go on, but you get the drift...

The referring to her as a "c***" in front of Ivana years later is ridiculous. Where's the eyeroll emoji?

[DaveW]

How much will they pay me to say that Trump sexually assaulted me?

Trump admitted he had sexually assaulted women when he was campaigning in 2016.  He talked several times about grabbing women by the "p***y" and that he had done that.  That was the main reason I did not vote for him then. 

Face it: if 2024 is Biden against Trump again, we have our choice of 2 dirty old men.  Geriatric pervs.

[Jaime]

Locker room talk Dave. I and most men are guilty of same. He said they'll let you..... pure  locker BS, not the wisest thing a presidential candidate has ever done. If every woman did what every man claimed in a locker room brag, well, we'll leave it at that. Also If we had candid audio or video tapes of every Presidential candidate ever in history, do you think any would remain unstained? Most would be as bad or worse than LBJ on something. Most are exactly the scoundrel that King David, a man after God's own heart was. Given The two, I would choose Trump's brand of perversion EVERY TIME over the hair sniffing, racist, sharting pedophile, just sayin', and a demented bumbling fool. Nah, no contest between those two. Bad choice Dave. Especially considering Trump's success with inflation, energy independence and the border. He was the best President policywise in my lifetime including Reagan. He IS also long in the tooth much like Biden, but WAY MORE FUNCTIONAL. And the lacknof any reasonable track record by Biden on anything!

[Texas Conservative]

Dave,. Your logic is poor.  You can't rape or sexually assault the willing.  Trump didn't admit to any sexual assault.

That conversation you mentioned talked about willing women.

[mommydi]

Trump admitted he had sexually assaulted women when he was campaigning in 2016.

That's not true - no matter how many times you say it or want it to be true - it's not.

What part of "let you" do you not get? It's like you're ignoring the "let you" part on purpose. Why?

[Jaime]

It all boils down to which is worse a hair sniffing pedophile or a foul mouthed locker room braggart, of which I am also guilty. I am not nor would I ever be guilty of being a hair sniffing pedophile seen tweeking little girl's nipples on video, much less one who's only competent at eating ice cream. Geez i can't believe I am conversing about an admitted Biden voter, ESPECIALLY after nearly 3 years of abysmal incompetence at the job of POTUS.

By the way DaveW, mommydi has posted the nipple tweeking videos at least twice here. She can probably lay her hands on it pretty quick if you're interested. In fact Mommydi, it might be edifying to see these again to remind us, and to add to our our miserable experience with creepy Joe's destruction of our nation as President.

[mommydi]

Just one of many videos where pedo Joe is caught in the act -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PLSPvJ9BY

[Jaime]

I don't know which is more disturbing, Joe or the idiot parents subjecting their kids gleefully to such an obvious pedophile and personal space violator extraordinaire.

[Rella]

Trump admitted he had sexually assaulted women when he was campaigning in 2016.  He talked several times about grabbing women by the "p***y" and that he had done that.  That was the main reason I did not vote for him then. 

Face it: if 2024 is Biden against Trump again, we have our choice of 2 dirty old men.  Geriatric pervs.

You know Dave,

It would be next to impossible to find either a politician or a man with a seemingly important business reputation ( IE business owners and bosses) to run for office that did not have a wandering hand either in public or behind closed doors. Heck... even little Matt Gaetz.. republican ..had that  federal investigation, accused of having sex with a minor. From the little cogs to the big wheels it is out there and if a woman does not learn how to handle herself at an early age... well. Maybe that should be part of sex education for the 8 year olds

Was it poor judgement that he said that on Howard Stern? Yes, it surely was.

But isnt it amazing that women come forward... for their 15 minutes of fame... at times when someone of seeming importance
is making headlines... such as a politician? Or they usually just remain quiet.

Isn't it even more amazing that these women virtually never say a word about such incidents until the man is making headlines. Then they can remember every second of the minute or two of contact , even if they cannot remember anything else? Almost like now they want to boast that he thought enough of her to have a minute of attraction.

Men are always wrong in these cases, but it is not always their faults.

I find it far more reprehensible that people would prefer to vote for a man who showered with his daughter, then one who grabbed an a** or p****. I wont even get into what the voting public approves of when they have seen the physical contact with a little girl.

If a woman was offended, then she should say something at the time.... but instead they get on the bandwagon and make it almost criminal that if they wear a plunging neckline, very short skirt ( often without undies) or a thong bathing suit that he is
NOT PERMITTED to look anywhere except from the neck up. (I guess women dress like that for other women.  Give me a break)

If offended they should not wait until either wanting bragging rights or looking for a payoff.

I have my own "stories" I could relate and truth be told 50 years ago if DT had grabbed me I admit I likely would have felt flattered....

BTW Dave... though most will never admit it... girls too have their share of locker room talks.  [/size]

[DaveW]

That's not true - no matter how many times you say it or want it to be true - it's not.
What part of "let you" do you not get? It's like you're ignoring the "let you" part on purpose. Why?

"Let you.." does not apply if the person is a boss or authority figure, or in this case just plain rich and influential. 

"Thou shalt not commit adultery" applies across the board, with or without permission.

[DaveW]

Dave,. Your logic is poor.  You can't rape or sexually assault the willing.  Trump didn't admit to any sexual assault.
That conversation you mentioned talked about willing women.

"Willing" goes out the window when there is a disparity in wealth, power or position.  It is the weak going along with the powerful to avoid their wrath; or to get some kind of favor.

[Texas Conservative]

"Let you.." does not apply if the person is a boss or authority figure, or in this case just plain rich and influential. 

"Thou shalt not commit adultery" applies across the board, with or without permission.

Very poor logic again.  "just plain rich and influential."  Women are drawn to rich and influential.  It's still a choice.  Now you are shifting the goal posts.

Trump has been immoral.  No excuse for that. 

You made the assertion that Trump sexually assaulted someone and admitted it.  You are wrong.  Period.

[Texas Conservative]

"Willing" goes out the window when there is a disparity in wealth, power or position.  It is the weak going along with the powerful to avoid their wrath.

Shifting goal posts again. 

Trump has been immoral.  He didn't sexually assault anyone.  You can't just make up your own definitions for things.

[Texas Conservative]

The following is a post of mine from late 2016.  I didn't vote for Trump in the primary because I thought him immoral.

I am not considering getting on the trump train.  I am not a fan of the Donald.

However, I am considering filling in an oval because of how bad Hillary is.

[mommydi]

"Willing" goes out the window when there is a disparity in wealth, power or position. 

Did your wife have the same income as you when you entered a relationship? If not, you were guilty of sexual assault on her.

 

[mommydi]

"Let you.." does not apply if the person is a boss or authority figure, or in this case just plain rich and influential. 

"Thou shalt not commit adultery" applies across the board, with or without permission.

Adultery and sexual assault are two different things, or no?

No one denies Trump committed adultery in his past.

Are you claiming sexual assault and adultery are the same thing?

[mommydi]

Very poor logic again.  "just plain rich and influential."  Women are drawn to rich and influential. 

The same way men are drawn to physical beauty.

Yes, there's more to it, but when you break it down to the most primal instincts - those are facts.

When you prioritize those natural instincts, over everything else, it can get a person into trouble, but still - it's human nature and has always been so.

[Jaime]

So how does Biden's wealth and prestige enter into his ability to practice his creepiness with little girl's and grown women. I submit it is just plain ol' creepiness. In Biden's case his creepiness needs to go out  the window to protect the vulnerable, not his wealth and prestige.

[DaveW]

Did your wife have the same income as you when you entered a relationship? If not, you were guilty of sexual assault on her.

LOL!!!   She and I were both rather unemployed at the time.  And she only wanted sex so she could be a mom.  In fact, when she wanted a boy, (our 4th child) she got irate (violent) when it did not happen after the 2nd try. 

The last 45 years have been almost without intimacy. 

I don't think I quite qualify as being a rapist.

[DaveW]

Adultery and sexual assault are two different things, or no?
No one denies Trump committed adultery in his past.
Are you claiming sexual assault and adultery are the same thing?

No - but assault against someone other than your spouse IS adultery.  And he used his position and wealth to gain sexual favors. 
That IS assault.

[Jaime]

 What about Pedo Joe? Why is he an alternative in your pearl clutching mind, especially with idiotic policies to boot?

And no, women "letting" him do things as he said is willful participation, whether the man is rich, poor, or in between, CEO or janitor. Seems to me if being rich and influential is irresistable to women enough to cloud their judgement, that is a flaw in the women primarily.

He said some women LET you ....... Consent seems to be in play. I don't know how the conversations goes to consent to that, but what he SAID does not indicate an attack. I didn't hear for instance, "no matter how they protest, you can do what you want." It seemed a lot of little girls in Joe Biden's groping videos were not all that happy about his onslaught of their personal space with their parent's present and smiling BECAUSE OF HIS POWER AND INFLUENCE.

[Texas Conservative]

No - but assault against someone other than your spouse IS adultery.  And he used his position and wealth to gain sexual favors. 
That IS assault.

No, it IS NOT assault.  Trump used position and wealth to attract women.  Simply not assault.  On a base level, women find such things attractive.  They appreciate the assertiveness.

Definitely adultery and immorality though.

[Jaime]

And Biden uses power and influence to get parents of little girls to to submit to his veiled groping in photo ops - hugely immoral AND an attack on a MINOR. Trump's was immoral no doubt, but consentual in his words under discussion. If the women lost their minds in the cloud of wealth and influence, I don't have any sympathy for them. It must be akinned to the phenomenon of Cleavage selfies on Linkedin that I complain about. People will complain about political posts on Linkedin, and I tell them to scroll on like I have to do with cleavage selfies. It doesn't stop it. Some women on there CANNOT post without some sexy pose or  kissy face selfie, especially the oilfield sales trash crowd.

DAVEW, I NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING YOUR PROCESS OF DECIDING BIDEN WAS AN ACCEPTABLE  ALTERNATIVE TO TRUMP - especially after 3 years of the Biden policy trainwreck, AND Biden's groping of little girls problem.

[mommydi]

LOL!!!   She and I were both rather unemployed at the time.  And she only wanted sex so she could be a mom.  In fact, when she wanted a boy, (our 4th child) she got irate (violent) when it did not happen after the 2nd try. 

The last 45 years have been almost without intimacy. 

I don't think I quite qualify as being a rapist.

Well, Dave, you didn't have to tell us that, but since you did, it explains your misunderstanding of "sexual assault." It's like you've made up "Dave's Law" on sexual assault, because it's not the law of the land and it's not God's law.

I'm truly sorry for your situation, but that doesn't change the fact that women are attracted to alpha male types - successful, powerful, men, and if she enters a relationship with an alpha male, that does not mean she was sexually assaulted - whether you want to believe it or not.

[DaveW]

DAVEW, I NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING YOUR PROCESS OF DECIDING BIDEN WAS AN ACCEPTABLE  ALTERNATIVE TO TRUMP - especially after 3 years of the Biden policy trainwreck, AND Biden's groping of little girls problem.

Who said I thought Biden was in any way acceptable?  I never voted for him. Or Hillary. PERIOD.

[Rella]

Not guilty of rape, but has to pay her 5 million for battery and defamation.

The defamation, they were saying, is because when she wrote her book o few years ago he said it never happened.

And she did not even remember the year it happened.

She was able to bring the 27 year old rape charge and battery because last year in NY someone opened a narrow window of 1 year allowing expired and statute of limitation sex charges to be brought in only that window.

New York has such fantastically wonderful laws that they manipulate for their purposes.... 

[Texas Conservative]

Sign me up!

I want 5 million.  Who do I report where Trump touched me?

[Rella]

Sign me up!

I want 5 million.  Who do I report where Trump touched me?

LOL... you dont have a dress you could have saved.

She told the judge she kept the dress... Just like Monica Lewinski did from her encounter with Bill

Judge said she could not prove it was from the department stored..... 27 years ago so could not use.

Also... Defense attorneys were never allowed to know who the jurors were.... That really bothers Alan Dershowitz