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Another view on the length of a day.

Started by Rella, Tue Jul 09, 2024 - 09:15:22

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Rella

The following is a quick read.

It will be disavowed by many.

I have bolded and color changed just a bit for consideration.

https://reasons.org/explore/publications/rtb-101/the-continuation-of-creation-day-seven
QuoteThe Continuation of Creation Day Seven

by Hugh Ross
April 29, 2014

The precise duration of the creation days in Genesis chapters 1 and 2 remains an area of debate among evangelical Christians. One specific area of controversy lands on creation day seven, God's day of rest. Many Christians have interpreted the seventh day, or God's Sabbath, as a 24-hour period in which God rested from His creation work. Still, biblical and scientific evidence suggest the seventh day extends for an ongoing yet finite period of time.     

In Genesis 1, each of the creation days—except the seventh day—is marked off with the same refrain: "There was evening and there was morning." This literary device provides a pattern for the events of the first six creation days. Each "day" was of an unspecified duration, with a starting time and an ending time. But no such boundary is assigned to the seventh day, in Genesis or in any other passage of Scripture, which strongly suggests God's day of rest had, or has, not yet ended.

The picture of an ongoing seventh day receives mention in other portions of Scripture. Psalm 95:7–11, John 5:16–18, and Hebrews 4:1–11 (each by a different author) indicate that the seventh day began, from an earthly perspective, after the creation of Adam and Eve and extends through the present era to a future time. For example, the author of Hebrews, referring back to Psalm 95, writes:

For somewhere he [God] has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "On the seventh day God rested from all his works."...Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest...There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. (Hebrews 4:4–10)

Revelation 21 says that the seventh day will eventually end when God's purposes for this cosmos have been fulfilled and He unveils an entirely new heaven and earth for humanity. The new creation comes with new physical laws, appropriate, as always, to the fulfillment of His divine purposes and plans for life beyond cosmic time.

It is also important to note God's command to Moses that implies a Sabbath can be longer than a 24-hour day: "But in the seventh year the land is to have a Sabbath of rest...The land is to have a year of rest," (Leviticus 25:4, 7, emphasis added).

If the seventh "day" continues, as Scripture indicates, it could imply that the other six creation days were also long periods of time, rather than just 24-hour days. The continuation of the seventh day also makes sense of the fossil record. Research shows that for most of life's history, new animal species appeared regularly and in abundance. But after the appearance of humans, not a single (undisputed) new species has come into existence. This data makes sense in light of God's continuing cessation from creation as described in Scripture.
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Jaime

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There is also the thousand year reign of Christ that is considered by some the Sabbath (seventh) Millennium or the millennial kingdom that the Jews were looking for and some of the prophits alluded to. The word Sabbath is applied to the various time frames, the weekly Sabbath, the 7th year land Sabbath that Israel likely never obeyed, and the 7th millennium or millennial kingdom.

Rella

Quote from: Jaime on Tue Jul 09, 2024 - 10:16:59There is also the thousand year reign of Christ that is considered by some the Sabbath (seventh) Millennium or the millennial kingdom that the Jews were looking for and some of the prophits alluded to. The word Sabbath is applied to the various time frames, the weekly Sabbath, the 7th year land Sabbath that Israel likely never obeyed, and the 7th millennium or millennial kingdom.

Exactly,

Which is why I still think the days of creation were longer.

The length of a sabbath can vary and it would be totally presumptuous
to say Gen 2 sabbath is also only 24 hours...

First this was done at a time when men lived a lot longer then today...

Second... it is unreasonable to think that God's time is our time.

Third... Adding it to things in Gen 2 almost makes me think it was an addon and not to be included in however long a week or time creation was... but that is for another day.

I will,, at some point address it and then y'all can tell me where I am wrong....

Amo

QuoteIn Genesis 1, each of the creation days—except the seventh day—is marked off with the same refrain: "There was evening and there was morning." This literary device provides a pattern for the events of the first six creation days. Each "day" was of an unspecified duration, with a starting time and an ending time. But no such boundary is assigned to the seventh day, in Genesis or in any other passage of Scripture, which strongly suggests God's day of rest had, or has, not yet ended.

Apart from at least one faulty premise I will address in the above statement, the number seven is associated in holy scripture with completeness or perfection. The seventh day sabbath of our Lord was blessed and sanctified as a day to celebrate the completeness and perfection of the creation which God had just finished. Contrary to the extended claim of the article you have presented, exactly to celebrate the completion and perfection of God's creation. God's own testimony regarding His sabbath, testifies of this intent, and proves the faulty premise of the highlighted section of the quote above from your quoted article.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

In the above commandment, God informed His chosen people that He did in fact create the world is six literal days, and commanded them to keep the seventh literal day holy in commemoration of His completed works. As the opening testimony of Genesis 2 testifies -

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

According to God Himself, His chosen people were to understand that God completed the creation of the heavens and the earth, in six literal days. Commanding them to remember the seventh literal day which He blessed and sanctified immediately after the creations completion, by observing a literal seventh day in commemoration of the act of creation itself. To the extent that this declaration of the fourth commandment by God Himself, and every other of the several admonitions in scripture to keep God's seventh day sabbath holy, are in reference to a literal day. How says your article  -


QuoteThis literary device provides a pattern for the events of the first six creation days. Each "day" was of an unspecified duration, with a starting time and an ending time. But no such boundary is assigned to the seventh day, in Genesis or in any other passage of Scripture, which strongly suggests God's day of rest had, or has, not yet ended.

Each day of creation was in fact specified with an evening and a morning, which all would understand as a day, as each and everyone of us continues to experience to this day. God Himself said the world was created in six days, and a seventh literal day was to be observed as holy in commemoration of that event. The Jews themselves rightly observed a literal day as God commanded every week, for thousands of years to this day. God even punished Israel on occasions for not keeping this literal seventh day sabbath which God ordained at the end of creation.

Why build an entire theory upon what scripture does not say regarding the last day of a seven day cycle at the end of creation in one place, instead of what scripture does specifically say and address about that same day of our God created seven day weekly cycle, in many other places? I suppose, it is because there is no other way to do so. Since there is nothing regarding what actually is said, to support such a theory. So be it.

Amo

QuoteThe picture of an ongoing seventh day receives mention in other portions of Scripture. Psalm 95:7–11, John 5:16–18, and Hebrews 4:1–11 (each by a different author) indicate that the seventh day began, from an earthly perspective, after the creation of Adam and Eve and extends through the present era to a future time. For example, the author of Hebrews, referring back to Psalm 95, writes:

There is no picture of an on going sabbath in the verses supplied above. There is a picture of faith in God's word and the rest we can all have in such faith, which the sabbath itself does represent. The problem in Hebrews 4, is unbelief, which is not indicative of resting by faith in the word and or completed works of God. Which is again, the faith which the seventh day sabbath commemorates and represents. In that God created the heavens and earth in six days, and rested the seventh day, as we are informed in this testimony and all the rest of holy scripture. Testifying exactly, that we can rest by faith in God's word and testimony in all things. As He is the completely trustworthy Creator, Sustainer, and Savior of this world.

The article is again building upon what scripture does not actually say anywhere, rather than what it does say. Hebrews 4 mentions the seventh day, and the rest it represents which the gospel itself calls for, not some mystical continuous sabbath which therefore lends credence to the days of the creation account meaning far more than one literal day. Such is said or indicated nowhere in scripture, but by the extrapolation of what is not said in scripture unto a predetermined end, as this article is doing. None of the scriptures referred to in this article are saying or were meant to say what this article is trying to make them out to say and or support.

Amo

QuoteRevelation 21 says that the seventh day will eventually end when God's purposes for this cosmos have been fulfilled and He unveils an entirely new heaven and earth for humanity. The new creation comes with new physical laws, appropriate, as always, to the fulfillment of His divine purposes and plans for life beyond cosmic time.

It is also important to note God's command to Moses that implies a Sabbath can be longer than a 24-hour day: "But in the seventh year the land is to have a Sabbath of rest...The land is to have a year of rest," (Leviticus 25:4, 7, emphasis added).

Revelation 21 says nowhere that the seventh day will end, but simply that the city will need no sun or moon light because the glory of God's presence will be it's light, no doubt continuously outshining either. While scripture does specifically testify that God's seventh day sabbath will be kept in the new heaven and earth.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Again the article is building or extrapolating upon what God's word says nowhere, while ignoring what it does exactly say and address. Its conclusions being in exact contradiction to what scripture plainly states.

God's command concerning the seventh year agricultural sabbath for Israel, is completely separate from His weekly sabbath command. It is concerning rest for the land, not God's people, or the rest of faith which the seventh day sabbath represents. Using this command to suggest the fourth commandment of God can be or mean a year or much longer is complete malarkey. As is the rest of the article, being built upon what holy scripture says nowhere, in contradiction to what it does plainly state in many places.

QuoteIf the seventh "day" continues, as Scripture indicates, it could imply that the other six creation days were also long periods of time, rather than just 24-hour days. The continuation of the seventh day also makes sense of the fossil record. Research shows that for most of life's history, new animal species appeared regularly and in abundance. But after the appearance of humans, not a single (undisputed) new species has come into existence. This data makes sense in light of God's continuing cessation from creation as described in Scripture.

More absolute malarkey. Countless life forms appear suddenly and fully developed. No one can deduce from any fossils when any species appeared, but only most assuredly when some may have perished. To date, there are no transitionary fossils that are not highly debated as to actually being such or not. Malarkey upon malarkey. People ever learning but never able to come to a knowledge of truth. Because they do not rest by faith in the word of God, but turn toward their own imaginings or those of others over and above the testimony of holy scripture. So be it, as God's word has predicted. 

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