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DONALD TRUMP

Started by joebialek, Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10

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joebialek

Former president Trump, you had four years to lead the United States and failed us by your own choosing.   Whether it be in foreign policy or domestic policy, you did not protect the nation as commander in chief.
 
We the American people have finally borne witness to what happens when they place an incompetent business man into the Oval Office.  Especially one who had everything handed to him.
 
Quality of life is not a business decision, sir.  But rather, it is a humane choice to be empathetic to those who cannot help themselves.  This is why government exists.
 
Now comes the jury's decision making you a convicted felon.  Have you no shame and decency sir?  As was said about former president Richard Nixon, jail to the chief.
 
All you do is complain and moan about what others have done to you.  However by all accounts you put yourself in precarious situations and are now facing the consequences.
 
MAGA has become a dog whistle for NAZI.  Your followers would have made great "Brown Shirts" in Hitler's Germany.   They demonstrated their loyalty to you on January 6, 2021.  An event you instigated.
 
As for inflation somebody encouraged Corporate America to gouge us at the grocery stores, gas stations and pretty much everywhere at the point of purchase.
 
Because of your words and actions many now prefer the "old man" over the felon.

Jaime

#1
I disagree with all of your "points". Joe Biden is history. Even people like Adam Schiff know it.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Hmmm... I'm not a Trump fan either, but I think Biden is worse.

For domestic policy, Biden is worse.  Not to exonerate Trump completely, the "economic stimulus" issued under his watch was a bad decision leading in the wrong direction.  But Biden promotes a globalist agenda at the expense of the American public.  Trillions sent to Ukraine, fiat money printed, inflation out-of-control, higher interest rates.

For foreign policy, saying Biden is worse is an understatement.  He's the worst president on foreign policy since Andrew Johnson just after the Civil War, and perhaps the worst ever.  The Middle East peace has dissolved, Russia is expanding and Biden seems intent on fanning that flame into World War 3.  "Aid" is sent to terrorist states.  Free trade agreements are expanded.  The Mexican-American border is left undefended.  For contrast, foreign policy was the one area at which Trump receives good marks, brokering a middle east peace agreement, opening communications with Korea, and generally pursuing a sane border-control policy.

As for white-supremacists, sure they vote for Trump.  This would be true for any Republican candidate, as long as he was white.  Trump's personal history doesn't show a history of racism; rather the opposite.  Biden, though, was brought into the senate and mentored by a card-carrying member of the KKK.  His personal history includes a great number of racist comments.  Media sweeps them under the rug as "ancient history" despite some of them being just a few years ago.

But for words?  You're right.  Trump is obnoxious, arrogant, a self-absorbed narcissist.  I'm not a fan.

I will be voting for Kennedy.  They're both terrible.

4WD

#3
Quote from: joebialek on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10Former president Trump, you had four years to lead the United States and failed us by your own choosing.  Whether it be in foreign policy or domestic policy, you did not protect the nation as commander in chief.
And you think Biden and the democrats have protected us? That's a real joke. As commander in chief, Biden left $80+ billion worth of equipment  for the Taliban, left Americans in enemy hands in Afghanistan, got us into the war with Putin, gave billions of dollars to Iran to fund enemies of Israel, promoted DEI in the military to the detriment of effectiveness.  The standard joke is that while China is training their Army to fight, the US is trying to design better flight suits for pregnant pilots. As commander in chief, Biden has been about as effect in that job as in border security.
Quote from: joebialek on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10We the American people have finally borne witness to what happens when they place an incompetent business man into the Oval Office.  Especially one who had everything handed to him.
The one real regret that I have of Trump, as a business man, is that he should be working towards a small government.  But he didn't exhibit that as President.

Quote from: joebialek on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10Quality of life is not a business decision, sir.  But rather, it is a humane choice to be empathetic to those who cannot help themselves.  This is why government exists.
No, that is not why government exists. Government attempts at empathy is a primary reason why our democrat run cities are such disasters. Government should be doing all it can to lead its people to take care of themselves. They do just the opposite. Governments first job is national security, something the Biden administration has failed miserably by choice.

Quote from: joebialek on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10Now comes the jury's decision making you a convicted felon.  Have you no shame and decency sir?  As was said about former president Richard Nixon, jail to the chief.
Every jury that Trump has faced would never have happened had it not been readily apparent that he would be running in 2024.  In other words, every indictment brought against Trump was purely political, having no legitimate basis in law. That is becoming more evident day by day.

Quote from: joebialek on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10MAGA has become a dog whistle for NAZI.  Your followers would have made great "Brown Shirts" in Hitler's Germany.  They demonstrated their loyalty to you on January 6, 2021.  An event you instigated.
The events of January 6, 2021 was kid's play in comparison to the death and destruction at the hands of riots brought by such groups as ANTIFA and the BLM in major cities all across America. All of which was supported and encouraged by Biden and the Left.

The standard cry of the Left is that Trump and the republicans are fascists or Nazis.  The fact is that fascists, Nazis, Communists, Socialists are all Leftists. The single defining difference between Left and Right is the Right supports the citizen while the Left supports the state.  On the Right it is a government of the people, by the people and for the people.  On the Left it is a citizenry of the state, by the state, and for the state. The actions of Biden and company mirror those of the Mussolinis, Hitlers and Stalins of the last century. They were Marxists.  The woke Left of today are Marxists.

Quote from: joebialek on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10As for inflation somebody encouraged Corporate America to gouge us at the grocery stores, gas stations and pretty much everywhere at the point of purchase.
If you had the slightest inkling about economics, you would know and understand why that statement is right up there with Biden's performance in his June 27th debate against Trump. It is wrong at every level. Inflation is always caused by the government.  Before the Federal Reserve System (the FED) was instituted in 1913, there had been almost no inflation since the very beginning. The control of money by the FED has been a disaster. And fiat money is the curse that gives rise to inflation.


4WD

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 22:56:10But for words?  You're right.  Trump is obnoxious, arrogant, a self-absorbed narcissist.  I'm not a fan.
Is there really such a thing as a politician who is not basically obnoxious, arrogant and a self-absorbed narcissist at some lever?  I think that is characteristic of even lower-level managers of most government agencies. It is certainly the case with most of the Biden's Cabinet.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: 4WD on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 06:42:34Is there really such a thing as a politician who is not basically obnoxious, arrogant and a self-absorbed narcissist at some lever?  I think that is characteristic of even lower-level managers of most government agencies. It is certainly the case with most of the Biden's Cabinet.
Are you really defending that?  If they're all that way, condemn them all.

4WD

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 10:26:36Are you really defending that?  If they're all that way, condemn them all.
Not defending it, just recognizing it.

mommydi

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 22:56:10I will be voting for Kennedy. 
Kennedy is about as far left as you can go.

Texas Conservative

Quote from: joebialek on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 19:25:10Former president Trump, you had four years to lead the United States and failed us by your own choosing.   Whether it be in foreign policy or domestic policy, you did not protect the nation as commander in chief.
 
We the American people have finally borne witness to what happens when they place an incompetent business man into the Oval Office.  Especially one who had everything handed to him.
 
Quality of life is not a business decision, sir.  But rather, it is a humane choice to be empathetic to those who cannot help themselves.  This is why government exists.
 
Now comes the jury's decision making you a convicted felon.  Have you no shame and decency sir?  As was said about former president Richard Nixon, jail to the chief.
 
All you do is complain and moan about what others have done to you.  However by all accounts you put yourself in precarious situations and are now facing the consequences.
 
MAGA has become a dog whistle for NAZI.  Your followers would have made great "Brown Shirts" in Hitler's Germany.   They demonstrated their loyalty to you on January 6, 2021.  An event you instigated.
 
As for inflation somebody encouraged Corporate America to gouge us at the grocery stores, gas stations and pretty much everywhere at the point of purchase.
 
Because of your words and actions many now prefer the "old man" over the felon.

Barbie?  That you?

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Jul 17, 2024 - 22:56:10I will be voting for Kennedy.  They're both terrible.

Kennedy has had his skeletons come to the surface.

Like his stance on vaccines. Not other issues, he is very far left. 

As far as leaders being narcissistic, you don't make it to that level without having that be an issue.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: mommydi on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 11:56:06Kennedy is about as far left as you can go.
Trump said that, but... not really.  He's liberal on abortion, and... maybe the environment?  That's about it. 

His environmentalism isn't even the toxic nut-job kind where bureaucratic schmucks try to enforce stupid rules and taxes on everyday Joes.  His efforts there are primarily focused against corruption in the government bureaucracy (EPA) and being complicit with Big Energy companies.  While most of the Dems are using environmentalism as an industry to get rich, he's actually trying to preserve the environment, the way that most ranchers and outdoorsmen do.  I can very much live with this.  It's a positive, even.

He is the only candidate seeking reform of the FDA and looking to address (re-dress?) abuses from Big Pharma and Big Food, which I'd rate as the most important issue facing America right now. 

He's fiscally more conservative than either Trump or Biden. 

He wants to roll back border security to a sane state.

He's he best candidate in this election by a mile, and perhaps the best one on the ballot since the 80's.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 12:11:00Kennedy has had his skeletons come to the surface.

Like his stance on vaccines. Not other issues, he is very far left.
His stance on vaccines is a skeleton in the closet?  It's more like the thing they put on the T-shirts.  It's right out in front.

I'm not against vaccines.  But I am against people being compelled by law to take vaccines developed by private companies with little-to-no oversight, then taxed and the money given directly to those companies.  We've seen what looks like recently enough.

Frankly, having a president who is an enemy of Big Pharmaceutical companies ranks as a HUGE POSITIVE to me.

Rella

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 12:12:35Trump said that, but... not really.  He's liberal on abortion, and... maybe the environment?  That's about it. 

His environmentalism isn't even the toxic nut-job kind where bureaucratic schmucks try to enforce stupid rules and taxes on everyday Joes.  His efforts there are primarily focused against corruption in the government bureaucracy (EPA) and being complicit with Big Energy companies.  While most of the Dems are using environmentalism as an industry to get rich, he's actually trying to preserve the environment, the way that most ranchers and outdoorsmen do.  I can very much live with this.  It's a positive, even.

He is the only candidate seeking reform of the FDA and looking to address (re-dress?) abuses from Big Pharma and Big Food, which I'd rate as the most important issue facing America right now. 

He's fiscally more conservative than either Trump or Biden. 

He wants to roll back border security to a sane state.

He's he best candidate in this election by a mile, and perhaps the best one on the ballot since the 80's.

::scared::

I'd rather you vote for him then Joe... or Kamala

But if he wins... someone stop him from giving a state of the union...

As for me... I'm still riding that train....

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 12:12:35Trump said that, but... not really.  He's liberal on abortion, and... maybe the environment?  That's about it. 

His environmentalism isn't even the toxic nut-job kind where bureaucratic schmucks try to enforce stupid rules and taxes on everyday Joes.  His efforts there are primarily focused against corruption in the government bureaucracy (EPA) and being complicit with Big Energy companies.  While most of the Dems are using environmentalism as an industry to get rich, he's actually trying to preserve the environment, the way that most ranchers and outdoorsmen do.  I can very much live with this.  It's a positive, even.

He is the only candidate seeking reform of the FDA and looking to address (re-dress?) abuses from Big Pharma and Big Food, which I'd rate as the most important issue facing America right now. 

He's fiscally more conservative than either Trump or Biden. 

He wants to roll back border security to a sane state.

He's he best candidate in this election by a mile, and perhaps the best one on the ballot since the 80's.

No, I like his stance on vaccines.

The skeletons in his closet were sexual allegations.

mommydi

Libs constantly vilify "big Pharma" but then run around with their sleeves rolled up, begging "give me more! give me more! whatever you have, I want it and lots of it!"  rofl 

Alan


Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 13:04:29No, I like his stance on vaccines.

The skeletons in his closet were sexual allegations.
Haven't heard about that.  Link?

So our three candidates are creepy-Joe-pedo-sniffer, pornstar-tryst-Trump, and whatever-Kennedy-did?

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 16:37:00Haven't heard about that.  Link?

So our three candidates are creepy-Joe-pedo-sniffer, pornstar-tryst-Trump, and whatever-Kennedy-did?

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/top-stories/blog/rcna161708

Wycliffes_Shillelagh


Rella

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 19:38:40Thanks.  I'm glad nobody's doing a deep dive on things I did in the 90's.

::peeking::

I am certain you did not but feel compelled to ask.

Did you listen to his speech last night?

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: Rella on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 07:11:28I am certain you did not but feel compelled to ask.

Did you listen to his speech last night?
The only speech I heard from the Republican convention was Hulk Hogan's.

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 11:06:43The only speech I heard from the Republican convention was Hulk Hogan's.

Terry has Rella training, saying her prayers and eating her vitamins

4WD

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu Jul 18, 2024 - 12:12:35His environmentalism isn't even the toxic nut-job kind where bureaucratic schmucks try to enforce stupid rules and taxes on everyday Joes.
Environmentalism is a Leftist religion having little if any rational concern for the environment.  It, like just about everything Leftist, is about imposing rules and regulations for the controlling of the masses.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: 4WD on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 12:24:03Environmentalism is a Leftist religion having little if any rational concern for the environment.  It, like just about everything Leftist, is about imposing rules and regulations for the controlling of the masses.
That's one kind, sure.

But ask a farmer or rancher, and you'll find that they practice a different kind of environmentalism.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 12:12:08Terry has Rella training, saying her prayers and eating her vitamins
We're getting close to this...


Texas Conservative

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 15:19:30We're getting close to this...



We are past Idiocracy with Biden as President.

4WD

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 15:19:30We're getting close to this...


If you have been listening to CNN and MSNBC over the last eight years, that is their message to anyone to the right of woke.

It may not be their exact words, but given the rhetoric on "Russia Gate", "Yellow Showers", "J6", "Nothin' Wrong with Biden", "Fair Elections", "The Border is Secure", etc., etc. it all amounts pretty much to the same as "Shut Up".

Jaime

#27
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 15:16:04That's one kind, sure.

But ask a farmer or rancher, and you'll find that they practice a different kind of environmentalism.

Cows farting is not a bad thing environmentally to a farmer. When America had millions and millions of bison, also ruminants, our prairie lands were flourishing and a natural respository for sequestering carbon.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh

Quote from: Jaime on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 16:21:50Cows farting is not a bad thing environmentally to a farmer. When America had millions and millions of bison, also ruminants, our prairie lands were flourishing and a natural respository for sequester carbon.
Yeah, that's my point.  The people who actually live, work, and play in the outdoors understand a relationship where the environment is conserved... for human use. 

Their environmentalism is not focused on regulating the public, but on restricting abuses by large corporations and collusion/corruption by those in government positions.

Jaime

#29
I think the SCOTUS overturn of the Chevron decision will mitigate environmental activism of government agencies.

Rella

Quote from: Jaime on Fri Jul 19, 2024 - 16:21:50Cows farting is not a bad thing environmentally to a farmer. When America had millions and millions of bison, also ruminants, our prairie lands were flourishing and a natural respository for sequester carbon.

I wonder if anyone has told Joe that if he eliminates cows.... there goes his ice cream.

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