Vitamins and Minerals?

[Johnb]

actually the reference was to meat that had been strangled rather than it throat cut and bleed out.  Has nothing to do with Kosher. Except that they are slatered in an acceptible (kosher) way. 

[3AM]

I don't eat meat with blood in them.  Guess my bacon must be kosher.

A word to the wise.......those who eat bacon, or any forbidden flesh foods......will not get into heaven.

Isaiah  66:15   For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 

  66:16   For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 

  66:17   They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. 

[Johnb]

Unless You are a Jew and do not accept the NTthere are no forbiden meats.

[3AM]

Unless You are a Jew and do not accept the NTthere are no forbiden meats.

People often forget that what God says....... applies to each and every person on earth, regardless of race or nationality.

God made the jews the bearers of God's word, to everyone on earth.
That was their mission, to spread what God said, to every other nation on earth.

They failed in that endeavor......so God went to other people (Gentiles) to do what the Nation of Israel failed to do.

[OldDad]

I don't eat meat with blood in them.  Guess my bacon must be kosher.

A word to the wise.......those who eat bacon, or any forbidden flesh foods......will not get into heaven.

Colossians 2:16 "So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink..."  

God showed Peter a blanket full of forbidden foods and declared them "clean".  

Paul wrote to the Gentile Christians in Corinth "...you may eat any meat that is sold in the marketplace without raising questions of conscience.  For 'the earth is the Lord's, and everything in it'.

[Fem2009]

But if you die of heart attack, you're the one to blame...

[Bon Voyage]

I don't eat meat with blood in them.  Guess my bacon must be kosher.

A word to the wise.......those who eat bacon, or any forbidden flesh foods......will not get into heaven.

Isaiah  66:15   For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 

  66:16   For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 

  66:17   They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. 

Read the New Testament.  But throw out Peter's vision. 

[Bon Voyage]

But if you die of heart attack, you're the one to blame...

If you eat all things in moderation and exercise, a bit of bacon won't do a bit of harm.

[Fem2009]

Is it sinful to kill yourself?

Leviticus 11:8
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you....

11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.....

Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

God promised freedom from disease and sickness if we follow His commands and His laws.   I hope you will consider some of what Scripture says on so important a subject.  This is why faith is required because without it you cannot please God.  In ancient times God accused His people of destroying themselves for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6).

There are so many places in Scripture where God forbids the eating of unclean foods.  Certain animals were identified as unclean before the flood.  They are still accounted unclean when Peter rejected them in his vision.  They are still unclean in Revelation 18:4 where it speaks of "unclean

[Fem2009]

actually the reference was to meat that had been strangled rather than it throat cut and bleed out.  Has nothing to do with Kosher. Except that they are slatered in an acceptible (kosher) way. 

Thank you for your input. It's appreciated. I eat meat. However, I am very particular what I put in my body. It is important to know where your meat comes from and how that animal was treated. This is valuable information that can affect His temple.

No one is saying not to eat meat. It's the unhealthy meat and foods that people are fully aware they should not consume.

[3AM]

quote]
Colossians 2:16 "So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink..."  

Since both of these Bible verses are taken out of context...I should answer them.

God showed Peter a blanket full of forbidden foods and declared them "clean".  

The context of that is NOT talking about foods at all....BUT, is talking about men, as the chapter later shows very clearly.

OK...Peter's vison.

Acts 10:9   On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 
  10:10   And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 
  10:11   And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 
  10:12   Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 
  10:13   And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 
  10:14   But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 
  10:15   And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common. 
  10:16   This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven. 
  10:17   Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, 

10:28   And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 

[Bon Voyage]

Is it sinful to kill yourself?

Leviticus 11:8
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you....

11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.....

Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

God promised freedom from disease and sickness if we follow His commands and His laws.   I hope you will consider some of what Scripture says on so important a subject.  This is why faith is required because without it you cannot please God.  In ancient times God accused His people of destroying themselves for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6).

There are so many places in Scripture where God forbids the eating of unclean foods.  Certain animals were identified as unclean before the flood.  They are still accounted unclean when Peter rejected them in his vision.  They are still unclean in Revelation 18:4 where it speaks of "unclean

[Bon Voyage]

quote]
Colossians 2:16 "So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink..." 

Since both of these Bible verses are taken out of context...I should answer them.

God showed Peter a blanket full of forbidden foods and declared them "clean". 

The context of that is NOT talking about foods at all....BUT, is talking about men, as the chapter later shows very clearly.

They are only "out of context" for you because they contradict the tradition teachings of your denomination.

[Bon Voyage]

This one is pretty scary for those that teach "do not eat" doctrines:

1 TIM 4

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

[Johnb]

No man made institution is "His church".  He attacked the believes of your denomination not the spiritual assembly of God.

Fem.
Even though I have been a meat eater for over 60 years (steak 3-5 night a week all the pork I wanted etc) when I had a heart cath I had no blockage.  I am in need of a new heart valve ( a congenital problem runs in my family)  That being said I am on a heart healthy diet now.  We try to raise as much of the veg. as we can without chemicals.  We have a small farm and we are going to buy a few head of cattle again so when we do eat beef we know it has been raised on grass without growth hormones etc.  I will get a new aortic valve the last day of June and hope I will be good to go for another 20 or more years.   

[Fem2009]

No man made institution is "His church".  He attacked the believes of your denomination not the spiritual assembly of God.

Fem.
Even though I have been a meat eater for over 60 years (steak 3-5 night a week all the pork I wanted etc) when I had a heart cath I had no blockage.  I am in need of a new heart valve ( a congenital problem runs in my family)  That being said I am on a heart healthy diet now.  We try to raise as much of the veg. as we can without chemicals.  We have a small farm and we are going to buy a few head of cattle again so when we do eat beef we know it has been raised on grass without growth hormones etc.  I will get a new aortic valve the last day of June and hope I will be good to go for another 20 or more years.   

Hi John
I am sorry to hear that you are in need of a new heart valve. I will pray for you to stay strong and find your donor one day. Yes, I know it's possible to have a heart attack that's not related to poor diet. There are, however, many people who have heart attacks as a result of poor diet.

God Bless 

[Fem2009]

This one is pretty scary for those that teach "do not eat" doctrines:

1 TIM 4

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

I'll tell ya, high-fructose corn syrup is SOOOO good.

[Johnb]

Fem
Thanks for your prayers.
Actually I will be having surgery on June 30.  It is about the same surgery that Barabra Bush and Robin Williams had.  I will be getting a tisssue valve Carpenter Edwards Parmont Bovine (cow) valve.  (same one Robin williams got)

I am getting rid of all the risk factors I can control.  I have lost 27 lbs so far on a heart healthy diet.  I don't smoke or have high BP, diabeates or high colestrol so hopefully this should fix me.  I am hoping for no complications after surgery.   

[Fem2009]

Fem
Thanks for your prayers.
Actually I will be having surgery on June 30.  It is about the same surgery that Barabra Bush and Robin Williams had.  I will be getting a tisssue valve Carpenter Edwards Parmont Bovine (cow) valve.  (same one Robin williams got)

I am getting rid of all the risk factors I can control.  I have lost 27 lbs so far on a heart healthy diet.  I don't smoke or have high BP, diabeates or high colestrol so hopefully this should fix me.  I am hoping for no complications after surgery.  

WOW, I knew about pig valves being used. How long have they been using cow valves? Amazing. Then you are on your way to better health   If you're eating healthy pre and post surgery, you shouldn't have too many complications. After my surgery I had complications from the anesthesia. My experience was different, however. I had to have one surgery and then an emergency one the next day, which I wasn't prepared for. On the night after having my surgery, no one would listen to me when I said that I didn't feel right. I even had my ex boyfriend call an ambulance at three in the morning, they checked my stats and said my pressure and everything was fine "it's normal to not feel your best." They left and I couldn't sleep the whole night. At 6am I had to beg my boyfriend to call my surgeon and HE even said "your fine, it's normal to have pain and swelling (on pain meds, mind you) and many people call me for false alarms." I told him I know that I am not ok. He gave me an appointment for 1pm. When I got there, I was weak and could not speak, my blood pressure was very low. My ex-boyfriend told me that my surgeon opened me up and had the weirdest look on his face like that scratching your head in aaaw look. Nevertheless, it was a Saturday and none of his surgery team were there. I had to be rushed to a local hospital for another surgery for internal bleeding. I am happy today that I'm alive.

John, you will be fine if you take care of your body and trust your instincts. It would help if you have people you can trust and that will take care of you in your time of need. ANOTHER reason we need spouses!

God Bless you and guide you...

[OldDad]

Did God answer Peter's objection to eating the animals on the sheet by telling him that He had called them "clean" or did He not?  In fact, He did it three times.

I KNOW the context and that it was to direct Peter to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  That doesn't change one whit the fact that God called the animals on the sheet "clean."

[Fem2009]

Did God answer Peter's objection to eating the animals on the sheet by telling him that He had called them "clean" or did He not?  In fact, He did it three times.

I KNOW the context and that it was to direct Peter to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  That doesn't change one whit the fact that God called the animals on the sheet "clean."

Not that I don't believe you. Can you please quote from the Bible what you're speaking about?

[OldDad]

Did God answer Peter's objection to eating the animals on the sheet by telling him that He had called them "clean" or did He not?  In fact, He did it three times.

I KNOW the context and that it was to direct Peter to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  That doesn't change one whit the fact that God called the animals on the sheet "clean."

Not that I don't believe you. Can you please quote from the Bible what you're speaking about?

3AM already quoted it in this post

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,13164.msg654181.html#msg654181

[Johnb]

Fem.

Actually the valve is made from the pericardium (sac that is around the heart) of a cow.  They also are now growing valves from stem cells but it is not out of trials yet.  They also can put a valve in through the aorta the same way they do a heart cath.  However, it is only being done in folks who can not have OHS. They don't know the long term results yet.  The surgeon I am using was trained by the man that pioneered valve replacement, aortic repair and came up with the concept of cooling folks down while on the heart lung machine.  He is one of the best.  I was getting ready to have a hip replacement when I discovered the valve had gone bad.  I injured it years ago jumping out of airplanes in the army and it has to be replaced.  When I heal up from the heart surgery I will get the new hip then I will be a new man.   

PS Old dad was correct on the Peter story.  The diet restrictions in the OT had much to do with avoiding animals that carried health risks at that time.

[OldDad]

Johnb - what's the difference/benefit/value of pig/bovine valves over mechanical valves?

I ask because a young lady - 20 yrs old - in our church just had a mechanical valve put in.

[Johnb]

A few years ago most tissue valves, pig, cow, or homograph (from a dead person) usually only lasted a few (5-10) years.  Now they are treated with special chemicals that help them last longer.  The pig valve is usually given to older folks like Barbara Bush (that is what she got)  Homographs are not in great supply and have not shown to be better than other tissue valves.  The cow valve should last 20 plus years even longer in folks my age 61. 

Now there are several mech. valves.  They are usually placed in younger folks because they can last indefinitely.  Also young folks tend to wear out the tissue valves at a much faster pace.  The big down side of mech. valves is the need to take coumidin ( a blood thinner) for the rest of your life.  It has to be monitored very closely and has some serious side effects.  This is needed because the mech. valves smash blood cells as they close and need the blood thinner to reduce the chance of stroke and heart attack from clots.  One of the newer mech valves Onx does less damage to the blood cells and they are doing trials now to see if the blood thinner can be reduced or eliminated and use only aspirin.  Another advantage of mech/ valves in younger people it reduces the risk of re operation.  However, many younger folks are opting for tissue valve and hoping for something better when the first one wears out.  ( They are making tissue valves from a persons stem cells now and that could be the long term answer in the future.  Also re operation is not as risky as it has been in the past as long as the rest of you health is good.  Perhaps more than you wanted to know?     

[Fem2009]

A few years ago most tissue valves, pig, cow, or homograph (from a dead person) usually only lasted a few (5-10) years.  Now they are treated with special chemicals that help them last longer.  The pig valve is usually given to older folks like Barbara Bush (that is what she got)  Homographs are not in great supply and have not shown to be better than other tissue valves.  The cow valve should last 20 plus years even longer in folks my age 61. 

Now there are several mech. valves.  They are usually placed in younger folks because they can last indefinitely.  Also young folks tend to wear out the tissue valves at a much faster pace.  The big down side of mech. valves is the need to take coumidin ( a blood thinner) for the rest of your life.  It has to be monitored very closely and has some serious side effects.  This is needed because the mech. valves smash blood cells as they close and need the blood thinner to reduce the chance of stroke and heart attack from clots.  One of the newer mech valves Onx does less damage to the blood cells and they are doing trials now to see if the blood thinner can be reduced or eliminated and use only aspirin.  Another advantage of mech/ valves in younger people it reduces the risk of re operation.  However, many younger folks are opting for tissue valve and hoping for something better when the first one wears out.  ( They are making tissue valves from a persons stem cells now and that could be the long term answer in the future.  Also re operation is not as risky as it has been in the past as long as the rest of you health is good.  Perhaps more than you wanted to know?     

hmmmm
We're well on our way to having extended life, aren't we? Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing John.

[OldDad]

A few years ago most tissue valves, pig, cow, or homograph (from a dead person) usually only lasted a few (5-10) years.  Now they are treated with special chemicals that help them last longer.  The pig valve is usually given to older folks like Barbara Bush (that is what she got)  Homographs are not in great supply and have not shown to be better than other tissue valves.  The cow valve should last 20 plus years even longer in folks my age 61. 

Now there are several mech. valves.  They are usually placed in younger folks because they can last indefinitely.  Also young folks tend to wear out the tissue valves at a much faster pace.  The big down side of mech. valves is the need to take coumidin ( a blood thinner) for the rest of your life.  It has to be monitored very closely and has some serious side effects.  This is needed because the mech. valves smash blood cells as they close and need the blood thinner to reduce the chance of stroke and heart attack from clots.  One of the newer mech valves Onx does less damage to the blood cells and they are doing trials now to see if the blood thinner can be reduced or eliminated and use only aspirin.  Another advantage of mech/ valves in younger people it reduces the risk of re operation.  However, many younger folks are opting for tissue valve and hoping for something better when the first one wears out.  ( They are making tissue valves from a persons stem cells now and that could be the long term answer in the future.  Also re operation is not as risky as it has been in the past as long as the rest of you health is good.  Perhaps more than you wanted to know?     

Not at all - thanks for the info.  This young lady is on Coumidin and has had a pretty rough adjustment period, lots of swelling, and discomfort.

But she's alive...

[Johnb]

http://valvereplacement.com/forums/
This is a forum she will find much information from.  Her C.  must be monitored weekly at first.  There are several there that self test and adjust their doseage.   It is more of a minor inconvenience after you learn what to do.  She will find much knowledge and support there.  Everyone there has either had valve replacement or like me are waiting to have it.  My guess is that like me she had a bicuspid aortic valve but went bad early.  There are several folks on there her age  with the same condition.

PS  after thought.  One thing that might help ease her mind we have folks on that forum that have been on coumidin for 50 years without serious side effects.

[Bon Voyage]

No man made institution is "His church".  He attacked the believes of your denomination not the spiritual assembly of God.

Revelation  14:12   Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.  

This is the description of the SDA church.

The SDA church also has the health message, from the Bible...which they teach.

The health message of the SDA Church is talked about in the bible, as a doctrine of demons.

[Bon Voyage]

This one is pretty scary for those that teach "do not eat" doctrines:

1 TIM 4

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

I'll tell ya, high-fructose corn syrup is SOOOO good.

If you have a problem with God's Word, take it up with Him.

[Bon Voyage]

Let's get back to the topic of vitamins and minerals.

[Johnb]

Yes please.  Do you take B3 on a regular bases and do you get a flush from it?

[3AM]

What natural supplements would you suggest someone taking in order to keep their body healthy?

I take:

Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Selenium
One A Day Multiply Vitamins

What should I add or take away?

Whole food supplments, are far better than artificial stuff.

Many name brands do not break down fast enough in the body, to release their vitamins and minerals.
Centrum and one-a-day.....are classic examples of this failure to release their benefits before they pass out of the body, unused.

Minerals, are ALWAYS more important than vitamins.

ALL diseases and illnesses, are a direct result of some lack of vitamin or mineral.

I base that on some 30+ years of nutritional study and research.

[Spring]

Whole food supplments, are far better than artificial stuff.

sometimes, there's little difference between "whole, & artificial", particularly when Processing for both is the same.

Minerals, are ALWAYS more important than vitamins.

Actually they both serve vital functions, in synergy 

ALL diseases and illnesses, are a direct result of some lack of vitamin or mineral.

except when diseases, continue chronic  as a result of the mind's mistaken beliefs & decisions

I base that on some 30+ years of nutritional study and research.

Mind & biochemistry major? 

[Spring]

Yes please.  Do you take B3 on a regular bases and do you get a flush from it?

Yes daily, with no flush, in a balanced 'coenzyme B-complex' :)