Jesus said non believers and cults are saved

[texascowgirl]

Accepting what Christ did on the cross to take away our sins is the requirement for salvation.

If someone never submits to their need for their Savior, they are lost, sadly.

THAT is what is spoken of over and over again (nonstop proof) in the Word of God.

Read further, man cant because we are naturally enmity against God. There is nothing we can do to please God. Man can do nothing. John 3:27 A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

That includes faith. Boast in the Lord not yourselves.

[DaveW]

Jesus Christ is the savior of the world so yes all will be saved and satan is man. there is non stop proof in the bible all mankind is saved. Don't let anyone deceive you. Love works no ill and Jesus is not going to tell us to love our enemies all while he sets his own on fire. Don't be deceived by what the churches are falsely teaching.

Rev 20.11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

That does NOT sound to me like the whole world will be saved.

[texascowgirl]

Jesus Christ is the savior of the world so yes all will be saved and satan is man. there is non stop proof in the bible all mankind is saved. Don't let anyone deceive you. Love works no ill and Jesus is not going to tell us to love our enemies all while he sets his own on fire. Don't be deceived by what the churches are falsely teaching.

Rev 20.11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

That does NOT sound to me like the whole world will be saved.

Rev was signified which means you cannot take it literally. But since you did take it literally let me ask you a few questions.

Rev 20:11 if no place was found for them, WHERE DID THEY GO. they had to go somewhere. what did God do with them?

In the next verse, verse 12  WHERE will they stand since  both the HEAVENS AND  EARTH 'FLED AWAY' In the previous verse, verse 11

And in verse 13, how can HELL deliver up their DEAD since according to man, those in hell are ALIVE, not dead and suffering and being tortured forever?

And in verse 14, if hell/hades is the lake of fire as men teach, how can it be cast into itself.

[DaveW]

20.11 no place was found to HIDE.

20.12 they stand BEFORE GOD.  He does not need a planet.

20.13 Hell is a temporary holding cell for the doomed

20.14  this verse is talking (in original Greek) of PERSONS named Death and Hades. (probably fallen angels)

teaching that hell/hades and the Lake of Fire are the same is a misunderstanding.

[texascowgirl]

20.11 no place was found to HIDE.

20.12 they stand BEFORE GOD.  He does not need a planet.

20.13 Hell is a temporary holding cell for the doomed

20.14  this verse is talking (in original Greek) of PERSONS named Death and Hades. (probably fallen angels)

teaching that hell/hades and the Lake of Fire are the same is a misunderstanding.

You stated, 20.12 they stand BEFORE GOD.  He does not need a planet.
Well he must exist somewhere. Where then? chapter and verse. I mean since heavens and earth both fled away in verse 11, where is God residing to judge them in verse 12.

You stated 20.13 Hell is a temporary holding cell for the doomed.
No its not. Hell was translated from the word sheol and hades and only means the grave. it is a holding place..the grave which all who reside there will be resurrected and changed in the day of the Lord and have salvation. This is why death is swallowed up in victory. God won.

[DaveW]

Don't forget verse 15.  What do you do with THAT?


God does not "win" if unbelievers, the ungodly, the unrighteous all go to heaven.

[texascowgirl]

Don't forget verse 15.  What do you do with THAT?


God does not "win" if unbelievers, the ungodly, the unrighteous all go to heaven.

The verse does not say what you claim. Quote the verse not your understanding of it.  Now what happened was they were judged and made righteous. And the Lord is not going to set on a literal fire and torture the righteous. Christ also died for the ungodly not just some sinners. We are all ungodly becuaes we are all sinners. Being a sinner makes us ungodly.

I am just trying to show you that Rev cannot be taken literally, it was signified and it says so in chapter one verse one. I know what the preachers are teaching but they really are incorrect. God said he put lying spirits in the mouths of prophets and this is why he tells us to try the spirit. he wants us to try the spirit that is telling us these things instead of blindly believing them.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

[MeMyself]

Accepting what Christ did on the cross to take away our sins is the requirement for salvation.

If someone never submits to their need for their Savior, they are lost, sadly.

THAT is what is spoken of over and over again (nonstop proof) in the Word of God.

Read further, man cant because we are naturally enmity against God. There is nothing we can do to please God. Man can do nothing. John 3:27 A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

That includes faith. Boast in the Lord not yourselves.

I do not boast in myown self at all, but the righteousness of Christ! He alone makes me in right standing with God, but I did have to humble myself and accept I was a sinner in desperate need of my beautiful Savior!

He heard my cry and He saved me. 

He is a gentleman and will not force His salvation on anyone who doesn't want it...and though it is hard to believe, there are LOTS who do not, because they do not want to humble themselves, confess Him as Lord so that they can be saved.

[texascowgirl]

I am just trying to show you that Rev cannot be taken literally, it was signified and it says so in chapter one verse one. I know what the preachers are teaching but they really are incorrect. God said he put lying spirits in the mouths of prophets and this is why he tells us to try the spirit. he wants us to try the spirit that is telling us these things instead of blindly believing them.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

And you did not humble yourself. Christ does the humbling of man thorugh chastisement.

[DaveW]

The verse does not say what you claim. Quote the verse not your understanding of it.

OK:
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.  If you are not in the book, you burn.

Now what happened was they were judged and made righteous

Then why were they not found in the book and thrown into the lake of fire?

And the Lord is not going to set on a literal fire and torture the righteous.

It does not say "righteous."

Christ also died for the ungodly not just some sinners. We are all ungodly becuaes we are all sinners. Being a sinner makes us ungodly.

Agreed. But we have the choice (God gives us the strength to choose) whether to repent and follow Him or we can chose to not follow.  In which case we never get written into that book.

I am just trying to show you that Rev cannot be taken literally,

You are only showing me you don't WANT to take it literally and actually believe what it says.

If you DON'T take it as literal - then what is getting thrown into the lake of fire an allegory for?

[texascowgirl]

OK:
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.  If you are not in the book, you burn.

Thank you for the verse now let me show you another verse.

1cor3:15If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; BUT HE HIMSELF will be SAVED, yet so as BY FIRE .

[chosenone]

OK:
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.  If you are not in the book, you burn.

Thank you for the verse now let me show you another verse.

1cor3:15If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; BUT HE HIMSELF will be SAVED, yet so as BY FIRE .

That is clearly talking about believers, not unbelievers.

[chosenone]

Non believers, those of other faiths, and members of cults, wont be saved. They are the ones who are Jesus describes as going along the wide path that leads to destruction.

[MeMyself]

Revelation is about what is to come...and not everyone will be in the book of life and those that are not, will be thrown into the lake of fire. (Sadly)

Corinthians was written to a Christian congregation. They were by definition of being Christians, saved and not in danger of the fire that will burn away the "works". 

[MeMyself]

Non believers, those of other faiths, and members of cults, wont be saved. They are the ones who are Jesus describes as going along the wide path that leads to destruction.

yep!

[texascowgirl]

That is clearly talking about believers, not unbelievers.

It is the lake of fire that makes one a believer to begin with. It is not something man can accomplish of his own doing.

Non believers, those of other faiths, and members of cults, wont be saved. They are the ones who are Jesus describes as going along the wide path that leads to destruction.

It is the lake of fire that is going to change them just like its going to do everyone.

The lake of fire is a metaphor for Jesus Christ and his judgments. All judgments are by fire from heaven not hell.

[MeMyself]

That is clearly talking about believers, not unbelievers.

It is the lake of fire that makes one a believer to begin with. It is not something man can accomplish of his own doing.

No, its Christ that makes one a believer, but He does so only after the person confesses that He is Lord and believes with all their heart that God raised Him from the dead.

[texascowgirl]

Right and Christ is the lake of fire that judges man

[MeMyself]

Right and Christ is the lake of fire that judges man

Where on earth do you get that?!

John 3:16-18 16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

It is CLEAR that one must believe in Christ to avoid being judged and THEN thrown into the lake of fire.

The refiners fire is for believers not as a means to save them, but to purify them.  Trials, tests, rejection, adversity and trouble are all used by God to "hold our feet to the fire" and cause us to lean on Him.  He changes us, perfects us and matures us in our faith. He will continue to do so until the day we see Jesus face to face.

[willieH]

Accepting what Christ did on the cross to take away our sins is the requirement for salvation.

This is nothing but traditional UNBIBLICAL baloney.  Please show even ONE VERSE in the WORD which supports, by STATING what you just said.  That being that -- "it is a REQUIREMENT of SALVATION that YOU ACCEPT what CHRIST did on the Cross to take away our sins".


If what YOU say above is so, then YOU are your own savior (as according to YOU) --- WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL of CHRIST's efforts, and if YOU do not "accept" the work done on the Cross, then the work on the Cross is INVALIDATED by YOUR non-acceptance of it...


And then we have the reverse, YOU claim that it is YOUR ACCEPTANCE of the work on the Cross, which makes His WORK VALID where YOU are concerned.   Without YOUR APPROVAL of His WORK, then everything (suffering, humiliation, torment) that He did for you (on the Cross) becomes INVALID?      


What a TOTAL, crock!    YOU base your SALVATION upon YOURSELF!  And reduce the work of the DIVINE to being IN SUBMISSION to YOU!   

If someone never submits to their need for their Savior, they are lost, sadly.

You make the SALVATION of GOD... TOTALLY up to YOU.  And your vanity doesn't stop there...  YOU then determine that OTHERS are LOST, if they do not DO as ...YOU SAY.   I'll be looking forward to your IGNORANCE of the fact that there is no such verse which attests to YOUR view on this subject.

Here is what the BIBLE actually SAYS on the subject:


Eph 2:8-10 -- SAYS - OTHERWISE!  No work of man including his "decisions" are involved with the completion of SALVATION - it is EXCLUSIVELY the work and GIFTING of GOD.

John 6:44 -- SAYS - NO MAN can come to JESUS except God interevene by DRAGGING him to the Savior.

Matt 11:27 -- SAYS - that no man can KNOW the Father, except CHRIST introduce Him, by HIS CHOOSING not yours --

Rom 10:9-13 -- SAYS - that CONFESSION of JESUS as Lord is necessary for SALVATION, yet that CONFESSION cannot be done by YOU or anyone else, except the HOLY SPIRIT enable the lips to do so -- 1 Cor 12:2

THAT is what is spoken of over and over again (nonstop proof) in the Word of God.

NONSTOP?      By this statement, you only display that you have done little (if any), study of your own - on this subject.


You will not even find ONE VERSE in the WORD of GOD, that supports your fallacy.   Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure you likely won't even bother try to find even ONE of those ----  "NONSTOP proofs"... 


The RECONCILIATION of ALL THINGS is already DONE as SCRIPTURE attests -- Col 1:20 -- 2 Cor 5:19 


Of themselves and their own DECISIONS, ...HUMANS are EVIL... and their first inclination is to DISOBEY the command of YHVH (as we see with Adam & Eve) - Having HEARTS that are WICKED ABOVE ALL THINGS (which would include the "devil" if one existed) -- Jer 17:9 


GOD most certainly would not place the MOST IMPORTANT work in Creation, which is His retrieval of the WORLD (Humanity - which HE LOVES forever, in His own UNCHANGING way)... in the hands of SINNERS to decide.   


Man does not even KNOW his own WAY -- Jer 10:23 -- Prov 20:24 -- Prov 16:9 -- let alone the WAY of the LORD!  All you do in this post is repeat the LIES you have been told in church... without bothering to RESEARCH those assertions made by those speakers, to find out whether or not they really do appear in the WORD of GOD, and are thereby supported by it!


It is as OUT of ORDER to say that "MAN's decision" is that upon which the SALVATION of GOD is based (needing YOUR "required acceptance" of His WORK),  ...as firmly placing the PEACE and SAFETY of the Human Race in the hands of Hitler, Sadaam Hussein or Osama Bin Ladin...   


PEACE...  ...willieH

[chosenone]

Right and Christ is the lake of fire that judges man

That is totally nonsense. Where are you getting all this stuff from? You really need to get some good Biblical teaching.

[chosenone]

Accepting what Christ did on the cross to take away our sins is the requirement for salvation.

This is nothing but traditional UNBIBLICAL baloney.  Please show even ONE VERSE in the WORD which supports, by STATING what you just said.  That being that -- "it is a REQUIREMENT of SALVATION that YOU ACCEPT what CHRIST did on the Cross to take away our sins".


If what YOU say above is so, then YOU are your own savior (as according to YOU) --- WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL of CHRIST's efforts, and if YOU do not "accept" the work done on the Cross, then the work on the Cross is INVALIDATED by YOUR non-acceptance of it...


And then we have the reverse, YOU claim that it is YOUR ACCEPTANCE of the work on the Cross, which makes His WORK VALID where YOU are concerned.   Without YOUR APPROVAL of His WORK, then everything (suffering, humiliation, torment) that He did for you (on the Cross) becomes INVALID?      


What a TOTAL, crock!    YOU base your SALVATION upon YOURSELF!  And reduce the work of the DIVINE to being IN SUBMISSION to YOU!   

If someone never submits to their need for their Savior, they are lost, sadly.

You make the SALVATION of GOD... TOTALLY up to YOU.  And your vanity doesn't stop there...  YOU then determine that OTHERS are LOST, if they do not DO as ...YOU SAY.   I'll be looking forward to your IGNORANCE of the fact that there is no such verse which attests to YOUR view on this subject.

Here is what the BIBLE actually SAYS on the subject:


Eph 2:8-10 -- SAYS - OTHERWISE!  No work of man including his "decisions" are involved with the completion of SALVATION - it is EXCLUSIVELY the work and GIFTING of GOD.

John 6:44 -- SAYS - NO MAN can come to JESUS except God interevene by DRAGGING him to the Savior.

Matt 11:27 -- SAYS - that no man can KNOW the Father, except CHRIST introduce Him, by HIS CHOOSING not yours --

Rom 10:9-13 -- SAYS - that CONFESSION of JESUS as Lord is necessary for SALVATION, yet that CONFESSION cannot be done by YOU or anyone else, except the HOLY SPIRIT enable the lips to do so -- 1 Cor 12:2

THAT is what is spoken of over and over again (nonstop proof) in the Word of God.

NONSTOP?      By this statement, you only display that you have done little (if any), study of your own - on this subject.


You will not even find ONE VERSE in the WORD of GOD, that supports your fallacy.   Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure you likely won't even bother try to find even ONE of those ----  "NONSTOP proofs"... 


The RECONCILIATION of ALL THINGS is already DONE as SCRIPTURE attests -- Col 1:20 -- 2 Cor 5:19 


Of themselves and their own DECISIONS, ...HUMANS are EVIL... and their first inclination is to DISOBEY the command of YHVH (as we see with Adam & Eve) - Having HEARTS that are WICKED ABOVE ALL THINGS (which would include the "devil" if one existed) -- Jer 17:9 


GOD most certainly would not place the MOST IMPORTANT work in Creation, which is His retrieval of the WORLD (Humanity - which HE LOVES forever, in His own UNCHANGING way)... in the hands of SINNERS to decide.   


Man does not even KNOW his own WAY -- Jer 10:23 -- Prov 20:24 -- Prov 16:9 -- let alone the WAY of the LORD!  All you do in this post is repeat the LIES you have been told in church... without bothering to RESEARCH those assertions made by those speakers, to find out whether or not they really do appear in the WORD of GOD, and are thereby supported by it!


It is as OUT of ORDER to say that "MAN's decision" is that upon which the SALVATION of GOD is based (needing YOUR "required acceptance" of His WORK),  ...as firmly placing the PEACE and SAFETY of the Human Race in the hands of Hitler, Sadaam Hussein or Osama Bin Ladin...   


PEACE...  ...willieH

Its all through the NT.

[willieH]

OK:
15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.  If you are not in the book, you burn.

Thank you for the verse now let me show you another verse.

1cor3:15If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; BUT HE HIMSELF will be SAVED, yet so as BY FIRE .

That is clearly talking about believers, not unbelievers.

Paul is teaching the members of the church @ Corinth... elements of the GOSPEL...  Just as you would perceive your pastor, in your church, to teach.  He does NOT at any time in this context mention ANY grouping of people... the word BELIEVERS does not appear within the entire chapter, yet YOU would state that the context is CLEARLY talking about BELIEVERS?  You DIRELY need to re-examine your observations...


Wow!     You really STRETCH and REACH in order to come to your conclusions, don't you?     Throughout this entire CONTEXT, it speaks of "ANY, and EVERY, and NO man"... and there is ABSOLUTELY no mention made of "BELIEVERS" at all in the CONTEXT.  Yet you shall INSIST the text is referring to BELIEVERS?   No offense, but You need help sis... 


In verses 

1 Cor 3:10-17 -- there are TEN mentions of ANY or EVERY or NO man... NONE of these verses designate ANY specific grouping of MEN (such as "believers"),  ...whatsoever. 

1 Cor 3:10 - EVERY man /
1 Cor 3:11 - NO man /
1 Cor 3:12 - ANY man /
1 Cor 3:13 - EVERY man twice /
1 Cor 3:14 - ANY man /
1 Cor 3:15 - ANY man /
1 Cor 3:17 - ANY man /
1 Cor 3:18 - ANY man, and NO man


You are instructed (in at least 3 places) by the WORD of GOD, ...NOT... to add to, or subtract from it -- Prov 30:6 -- Deut 4:2 -- Rev 22:18 -- yet YOU ADD the word "BELIEVERS" to these texts, where it is NOT MENTIONED, chosenone?   Better be careful!   God will NOT be happy with you for doing this, you can bet on it!  Not only where YOU are concerned, but especially when it involves the MISLEADING of others...


The Scripture quoted above says "anyone", and "any man's"... and you then conclude (when the verse does NOT even ONCE, ...MENTION "believers")... that it CLEARLY is talking about "BELIEVERS"?


Let me get this perfectly straight from you...


This IS your chosen method of interpretation concerning ANY Scriptural statements?  Even though there is NO MENTION in a verse of a PARTICULAR grouping in the text --- you think it is YOUR RIGHT to maintain that the Scripture is CLEARLY speaking of an ABSENT (unmentioned) grouping of YOUR CHOOSING? 


As you read a verse in the WORD, and there is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of any grouping of people, YOU shall maintain that a PARTICULAR grouping is CLEARLY outlined in said verse?    Are you kidding me?     You are treading on very DANGEROUS waters dear sister, ...very DANGEROUS!


When you read the newspaper about a crime that was committed but no NAME of the CRIMINAL is mentioned in the article, YOU perceive that YOU can gather from the report given, the indentity of the CRIMINAL that committed the crime?   


YOU, dear sister chosenone, are in for a big... biG... bIG... BIG surprise!


PEACE...     ...willieH

[willieH]

Non believers, those of other faiths, and members of cults, wont be saved. They are the ones who are Jesus describes as going along the wide path that leads to destruction.

Here you are again vainly thinking to DECIDE for God -- who shall and SHALL NOT, be SAVED (while of course including yourself as one which is SAVED)   


Foolishly making JUDGMENT of people you do not KNOW at all, while having ZERO information concerning any portion of their lives.   If only you would realize that it is YOU which walks upon the "pathway to destruction" by such wreck less and self-centered behavior...


PEACE...     ...willieH

[chosenone]

Chuck Swindoll
One way to understand the meaning of the death of Jesus is to imagine a courtroom scene in which we are on trial for our sins and God is the judge. Our sins against God are capital crimes. God Himself is our judge, and according to divine law our crimes deserve the death penalty. Death, in a spiritual sense, means eternal separation from God in unending torment. That's a very serious judgment.

By shedding His blood on the cross, Jesus took the punishment we deserve and offered us His righteousness. When we trust Christ for our salvation, essentially we are making a trade. By faith, we trade our sin and its accompanying death penalty for His righteousness and life.

In theological terms, this is called "substitutionary atonement." Christ died on the cross as our substitute. Without Him, we would suffer the death penalty for our own sins....

The writer to the Hebrews puts it this way: "And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" (Hebrews 9:22). For God to forgive our sins, His judgment had to be satisfied and that required the shedding of blood.

Some object, "Shedding blood seems so barbaric. Is it really necessary? Why doesn't God simply forgive us?" Because God is holy, He must judge sin. Would a just and righteous judge let evil go unpunished? At the cross, God poured out His judgment on His Son, satisfying His wrath and making it possible for Him to forgive us. That's why Jesus shed His blood for your sins, my sins, and the sins of the whole world....

God unleashed His wrath on His Son so that we might be spared that awful fate. This is the central message of the cross and the reason for our hope: God forsook His Son so that He might never forsake us. God assures us, "'I will never desert you, nor will I ever forsake you" (Hebrews 13:5). Isn't that a wonderful promise?

[chosenone]

Non believers, those of other faiths, and members of cults, wont be saved. They are the ones who are Jesus describes as going along the wide path that leads to destruction.

Here you are again vainly thinking to DECIDE for God -- who shall and SHALL NOT, be SAVED (while of course including yourself as one which is SAVED)   


Foolishly making JUDGMENT of people you do not KNOW at all, while having ZERO information concerning any portion of their lives.   If only you would realize that it is YOU which walks upon the "pathway to destruction" by such wreck less and self-centered behavior...


PEACE...     ...willieH

Jesus is quite clear who will be saved, and that it is only through Him and His death. We dont need to be left wondering, because God tells us.

"No one comes to the father EXCEPT through ME."

How much clearer can it be?

[willieH]

Revelation is about what is to come...and not everyone will be in the book of life and those that are not, will be thrown into the lake of fire. (Sadly)

"Revelation" is NOT about "what is to come"! 


The book of the REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST, ...is about the REVEALING of JESUS CHRIST...  As far as the "lake of fire"...  you are IN IT as we speak.   

Corinthians was written to a Christian congregation. They were by definition of being Christians, saved and not in danger of the fire that will burn away the "works".

In VAIN self-deception do you speak... parroting the words of your particular brand of Christianity, which is a room within a house pathetically divided from the others, and which, amidst its INIQUITY,  ...shall NOT stand -- Matt 7:22-23 -- Matt 12:25 -- Mark 3:24-25


Your very words are "burning away" as you speak... they shall NEVER abide in the Eternal... they are full of vanity, horror, fear and proposed torment, ...the VERY things which PERFECT LOVE CASTS OUT -- 1 John 4:18 -- devoid of GOOD NEWS...


PEACE...  ...willieH

[willieH]

Its all through the NT.

Just as I said... you would FAIL to name even one verse that supports your fallacy...   


PEACE...  ...willieH

[chosenone]

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/BibleStudyAndTheology/discipleship/Why_Jesus.aspx

[chosenone]

Billy Graham

Over the years I have talked to thousands of people who have asked me how to find their way to God. Some have sat in church pews all their lives but never come to personally know God. Others have sought for ultimate meaning in all sorts of ways but never found the peace of mind for which they were searching. Some simply realize that there is something vital missing in their lives.

The Bible teaches that this sense of lostness is rooted in the fact that we live in a fallen world in which we are all handicapped by a sin nature: we "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). And despite our best efforts we are unable to remove the haunting weight of guilt that separates us from our Creator.

God sent his Son to solve our dilemma. "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

Jesus Christ made the way to God for us by his death on the Cross. He purchased our salvation by the shedding of his blood. His death and resurrection made a new and everlasting covenant between God and humanity.

Jesus told his disciples, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). He did not merely point the way to God. He himself claimed to be the only way to the Father and the source of eternal truth and life.

The way to God is through personal faith in Jesus Christ. Intellectual acceptance of Christ is not enough. You must come to him determined to turn from what displeases him, with a total trust in Christ's saving power for you.

Christ promises those who turn to him: "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed from death to life" (John 5:24).

Today you can come to him by surrendering your life and heart to Christ. The Bible says: "To all who received him (Jesus Christ), to those who believed in his name he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).

Right where you are you can pray something like this: "Lord, I know that I have sinned and need your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ died for me and rose from the dead. I invite you into my life to be my Lord and Savior."

If you sincerely put your faith in Christ, God promises not only to forgive you, but also to receive you into his family. It's the greatest discovery you will ever make!

[chosenone]

Read The Exchange at the cross by Derek Prince.

[willieH]

Non believers, those of other faiths, and members of cults, wont be saved. They are the ones who are Jesus describes as going along the wide path that leads to destruction.

Here you are again vainly thinking to DECIDE for God -- who shall and SHALL NOT, be SAVED (while of course including yourself as one which is SAVED)   


Foolishly making JUDGMENT of people you do not KNOW at all, while having ZERO information concerning any portion of their lives.   If only you would realize that it is YOU which walks upon the "pathway to destruction" by such wreck less and self-centered behavior...


PEACE...     ...willieH

Jesus is quite clear who will be saved, and that it is only through Him and His death. We dont need to be left wondering, because God tells us.

Where is it noted that YOU have been appointed to state WHO IS and WHO IS NOT saved? 


Where is the INSTRUCTION which JESUS or His Apostles gave, that SPECIFIES that chosenone, is to designate those WHOM God shall save?   

"No one comes to the father EXCEPT through ME."

How much clearer can it be?

So CLEAR that unfortunately, YOU cannot SEE it!      ...As you are too busy remaining totally centered upon yourSELF - 


JESUS instructed us to take the GOSPEL unto the WORLD -- Mark 16:15 -- Matt 28:19-20 -- He didn't say that we are to elaborate at to who is, and who is not saved!  That is an agenda of your own vanity in action, not HIS instruction.


They ALL WILL come through Him!   With the  BLIND eyes of SELF (which envision SELF, but eliminate others) do you VAINLY attempt to observe the Holy words:


It is noted in several places... all of which YOU have found time to IGNORE -- Phil 2:10-11 -- Rom 14:11 -- Isaiah 45:23


Phil 2:10 --  10 - That at the name of JESUS ...EVERY KNEE should bow and of things in Heaven and things in earth and things under the earth... 11 - And that EVERY TONGUE should CONFESS that JESUS CHRIST is Lord to the GLORY of God the Father...


PEACE...  ...willieH

[willieH]

Billy Graham

Over the years I have talked to thousands of people who have asked me how to find their way to God. Some have sat in church pews all their lives but never come to personally know God. Others have sought for ultimate meaning in all sorts of ways but never found the peace of mind for which they were searching. Some simply realize that there is something vital missing in their lives.

The Bible teaches that this sense of lostness is rooted in the fact that we live in a fallen world in which we are all handicapped by a sin nature: we "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). And despite our best efforts we are unable to remove the haunting weight of guilt that separates us from our Creator.

God sent his Son to solve our dilemma. "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

Jesus Christ made the way to God for us by his death on the Cross. He purchased our salvation by the shedding of his blood. His death and resurrection made a new and everlasting covenant between God and humanity.

Jesus told his disciples, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). He did not merely point the way to God. He himself claimed to be the only way to the Father and the source of eternal truth and life.

The way to God is through personal faith in Jesus Christ. Intellectual acceptance of Christ is not enough. You must come to him determined to turn from what displeases him, with a total trust in Christ's saving power for you.

Christ promises those who turn to him: "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed from death to life" (John 5:24).

Today you can come to him by surrendering your life and heart to Christ. The Bible says: "To all who received him (Jesus Christ), to those who believed in his name he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).

Right where you are you can pray something like this: "Lord, I know that I have sinned and need your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ died for me and rose from the dead. I invite you into my life to be my Lord and Savior."

If you sincerely put your faith in Christ, God promises not only to forgive you, but also to receive you into his family. It's the greatest discovery you will ever make!

Quoting SINNERS, ...not the WORD...  SINNERS support you... the WORD does not.


PEACE...    ...willieH

[willieH]

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/BibleStudyAndTheology/discipleship/Why_Jesus.aspx

Quoting SINNERS, ...not the WORD...  SINNERS support you... the WORD does not.


PEACE...    ...willieH

[willieH]

Read The Exchange at the cross by Derek Prince.

ALWAYS ...Quoting SINNERS, ...not the WORD...  SINNERS support you... the WORD does not.


PEACE...    ...willieH