Almighty God vs Mighty God

[towerwatchman]

Allow me to structure the  argument.
Premise one. Only the Father is called "Almighty"
Premise two. The Son is call "Mighty"
Premise three. "Almighty" is greater than "Mighty.
Conclusion. The Father is greater than the Son.

This is a common answer used by Jehovah's Witnesses. They try to ascribe to God the Father the term "Almighty", and to Jesus "Mighty". This infers that each term has a value, and one is greater than the other. For this to be correct I should not find anywhere in the Bible where God the Father is referred to as "Mighty", for according to Jehovah's Witness logic this will make the Father lesser an equal to the Son. Note Isa 10:21 where Jehovah is referred to as "Mighty God", again making Him equal to Jesus. But you might ask who is "The Mighty God." Note Jer 32:18 note "the mighty God whose name is the Lord of host".
"Lord" is translated from "YHWH".
"God" is translated from "Elohym".

Please remember if you ascribe value to differentiate between a greater and lesser position, you cannot interchange the terminology you are using to ascribe value otherwise your reasoning is not logical.

When we search the Old Testament in the original language we find something very interesting and fascinating with the words from which we translate Almighty and Mighty.
Almighty translates from שַׁדַּי (šǎd∙dǎy) which means, a title for the true God, often with a focus on the power to complete promises of blessing and prosperity.
Mighty translates from גִּבֹּור gib∙bôr which means, mighty leader, mighty hero, best of the fighting men.

When analyzing the words in the original language we do not have a common denominator in the definition of either word that can be used to give one more valuable than the other. El Sadday basically refers to God's ability to bless His people, the idea of a cup that overflows. El Gibbor basically refers to a hero a mighty one fights for us. I find no proof to support the Watchtowers position of Almighty vs Mighty when referring to God and Jesus to give them position, the premise is therefore proven false.

[Priyanka]

Allow me to structure the  argument.
Premise one. Only the Father is called "Almighty"
Premise two. The Son is call "Mighty"
Premise three. "Almighty" is greater than "Mighty.
Conclusion. The Father is greater than the Son.

This is a common answer used by Jehovah's Witnesses. They try to ascribe to God the Father the term "Almighty", and to Jesus "Mighty". This infers that each term has a value, and one is greater than the other. For this to be correct I should not find anywhere in the Bible where God the Father is referred to as "Mighty", for according to Jehovah's Witness logic this will make the Father lesser an equal to the Son. Note Isa 10:21 where Jehovah is referred to as "Mighty God", again making Him equal to Jesus. But you might ask who is "The Mighty God." Note Jer 32:18 note "the mighty God whose name is the Lord of host".
"Lord" is translated from "YHWH".
"God" is translated from "Elohym".

Please remember if you ascribe value to differentiate between a greater and lesser position, you cannot interchange the terminology you are using to ascribe value otherwise your reasoning is not logical.

When we search the Old Testament in the original language we find something very interesting and fascinating with the words from which we translate Almighty and Mighty.
Almighty translates from שַׁדַּי (šǎd∙dǎy) which means, a title for the true God, often with a focus on the power to complete promises of blessing and prosperity.
Mighty translates from גִּבֹּור gib∙bôr which means, mighty leader, mighty hero, best of the fighting men.

When analyzing the words in the original language we do not have a common denominator in the definition of either word that can be used to give one more valuable than the other. El Sadday basically refers to God's ability to bless His people, the idea of a cup that overflows. El Gibbor basically refers to a hero a mighty one fights for us. I find no proof to support the Watchtowers position of Almighty vs Mighty when referring to God and Jesus to give them position, the premise is therefore proven false.

Why did you choose to be a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization over all the other Christian organizations?

[KiwiChristian]

John 14:28 - 'The Father is greater than I'.

Watchtower teaching: The JW book Let God be True, 1946, p.110 says that Jehovah is greater than Jesus in his office and person. Jehovah they say is intrinsically greater than Jesus, and hence Jesus cannot be God Almighty. The JW book Reasoning from the Scriptures, p.410, says, 'The fact that Jesus is lesser than Jehovah proves that He cannot be God in the same sense that Jehovah is'.

The Bible Teaching: In John 14:28 Jesus is not speaking about His nature or being (Christ had earlier said in John 10:30, 'I and the Father are one'), but about His lowly position of incarnation as a man. The Athanasian Creed says that Christ is 'equal to the Father as
touching His Godhood, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood'. Christ was here contrasting His human humiliation, shame, suffering, rejection, opposition by enemies, and
soon crucifixion, with the Father's majesty, glory and worship by the angels in heaven.

Key: Jesus said, 'The Father is greater (Greek: meizon) than I', not 'The Father is better (Greek: kreitton) than I'. 'Greater' refers to the Father's greater position (in heaven), not to a greater nature. If the word 'better' had been used, this would indicate that the Father had a
better nature than Jesus.

i) The distinction is made clear in Hebrews 1:4 where 'better' (Gk: kreitton) is used to teach Jesus' superiority over the angels in His nature and position.
ii) This difference between 'greater' and 'better' is seen in this example:
'The President of a country is greater (Greek: meizon) in position than his people, but as a human being he is not better (Greek: kreitton) in nature than his people'.
iii) Jesus in becoming a man, not only took on a lower position than the Father, but also took on a lower position than the angels. 'But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death'. (Hebrews 2:9)

QUESTION:'Do you agree that a President is greater in position but not better in nature than his people?'

QUESTION: 'In view of greater (meaning higher in position) and better (meaning higher in nature), is it not clear that in John 14:28 Jesus is speaking of the Father's temporary higher position and not his higher nature than Jesus?

QUESTION: How did Christ make Himself of no reputation when He became a man? (Phil. 2:6-9)

1. He veiled His preincarnate glory in order to dwell among men, but never surrendered His deity or divine glory. On the Mount Transfiguration He allowed His glory to shine briefly. If Christ had not veiled His glory, mankind would not have been able to look at
Him. When John saw His glory on Patmos he said, 'I fell at His feet as dead'. (Rev. 1:17).
2. He submitted to a voluntary non use of some of His divine attributes (on some occasions) in order to achieve His objectives. He never surrendered His attributes, but He did voluntarily cease using some of them on earth. Jesus showed His divine attributes of:
i) omniscience ('He knew all men' John 2:24; 16:30;'Lord thou knowest all things.' 21:17
ii) omnipresence (John 3:13 'the Son of man which is in heaven').
As God He was everywhere at once, but as man He chose to walk there.
iii) omnipotence (Matthew 28:18 'all power is given unto me'.)

3. He condescended to take on the likeness (form, appearance) of man and the form of a servant. (Phil 2:7). His becoming a man involved gaining human attributes (subject to weakness, pain, sorrow and temptation), but not giving up his divine attributes.

Conclusion: 'The Father is greater than I' (John 14:28) said Jesus from the vantage point of His incarnation as a man. This verse relates to Christ's voluntary subordination to the Father to accomplish His work on earth.'Greater than' refers to His greater position not His nature.

[LaSpino3]

My answer,

Concerning a title, the noun (God, Lord, Jehovah) always dominate the sentence, not the verb. Let's say Joe, Sam, Phil are standing on the corner and this dog walks by. Joe points to the dog and said, "look at that big dog." Sam points to the same dog and said, "look at that black dog." Phil points to the dog and said, "look at that 3 legged dog." Same dog, different characteristics.

Concerning the Almighty, Jesus said in Rev.1:8, "I (personal pronoun singular) am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Also Isa.9:6, called the Son to be given, the "mighty God." If Isaish had been pointing to another God or god, he would have been guilty of blaspheme and stoned to death under Jewish law.

Now where the problem lies with the Witnesses concerning Rev.1:8, is not the noun "Almighty" but in the N.W.T. miss-interpretation of the opening statement in Revelation. Compare:

K.J.B. "The (definite article) Revelation (upper case "R.") of Jesus Christ."
N.W.T. "A (indefinite article meaning there are more revelations to come) revelation (begins in lower case) by  (changed from (of) Jesus Christ." 

So, what their saying is, this revelation is not about Jesus, but that Jesus is the messenger giving a revelation concerning his Father.
I hope this helps. (95 % of their problem lies in their corrupted Bible which is noting but a mish mash of 70 or 80 different manuscripts. King James uses the "Received Text." Most every other Bible uses the A or the B. text, but surely not 80 or 90. Their doctrine is Arian through and through.

These people don't care about the truth, they worship not Jehovah, but the organization of the Jehovah Witnesses. They have made their organization their god.
Laspino3

[KiwiChristian]

So, we now have TWO Gods?

That would go along with the NWT mistranslation of John 1:1.

[KiwiChristian]

     Appearances of Jehovah in the Old Testament as the Son of God

John 6:46

1. To Adam in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 3:8. 'They heard the voice of the LORD God walking in...'
2. To the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11:5,7. 'The LORD came down to see the city and the tower..'
3. To Abram. Genesis 12:7.'The LORD appeared unto Abram & said, Unto thy seed will I give this land'
4. To Abram to make a covenant with him. Genesis 15:17. 'a smoking furnace & a burning lamp passed'
5. To Hagar as the Angel of Jehovah. Genesis 16:7,9,10,11,13
6. To Abraham and Sarah to announce the conception of Isaac. Genesis 17:1
7. To Abraham to discuss the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 18:1,2,21,33 and 19:24.
8. To Sarah to conceive Isaac. Genesis 21:1-4. 'The LORD visited Sarah as he had said...'
9. To Hagar and Ishmael when cast out by Sarah in the desert. Genesis 21:9-21,17.
10. To Abraham when sacrificing Isaac. Genesis 22:10-18,11,15,16.
11. To Abraham's servant getting a wife for Isaac at Haran. Genesis 24:40
12. To Isaac forbidding him going to Egypt. Genesis 26:1-6.
13. To Isaac at Beersheba after digging wells. Genesis 26:24.
14. To Jacob at the top of a ladder from earth to heaven. Genesis 28:13
15. To wrestle with Jacob and change his name to Israel. Genesis 32:24-30.
16. To Jacob to change his name to Israel. Genesis 35:9.
Jacob recounts to Joseph how God Almighty appeared to him at Luz (Gen 35:6) to bless him. (Gen 48:3)
17. To Moses at the burning bush as the angel of Jehovah, as Jehovah God, to go to Pharaoh (Ex. 3:1-18)
18. To Moses to give him signs to prove to Israel that God has appeared to him. (Exodus 4:1-5)
19. To kill Moses in the inn, because Moses neglected to circumcise his son. (Exodus 4:24-26).
20. Recounted to Moses how He appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty. (Ex. 6:3)
21. To Israel leaving Egypt in a pillar of cloud by day, and a pillar of fire by night. (Exodus 13:21,22).
22. To Israel at the Red Sea as the angel of God to separate them from Pharaoh's armies. (Exod 14:19,20)
23. To Pharaoh's armies pursuing Israel in the Red Sea to take off their chariot wheels. (Exod 14:24,25)
24. To Israel, standing on the rock in Horeb, when Moses smote the rock to give water. (Exodus 17:5-7
25. To Israel at Mount Sinai, to give Moses the ten commandments. (Exodus 19:11,17-20).
26. To Israel in the wilderness as an Angel to lead Israel into Canaan. (Exodus 23:20,21,23).
27. To Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, 70 elders at Mt Sinai to give the 10 Commandments. (24:10,11,17)
28. To Moses in the clift of a rock to see God's back parts. ('Thou shalt see my back parts' Exodus 33:23)
29. To Moses at Mt Sinai to get the 10 Commandments. ('LORD descended in a cloud & stood' Ex. 34:5)
30. To Moses & Israel in the tabernacle. 'the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.' (Exodus 40:34,38).
31. To Moses from the tabernacle to instruct on offerings. (LORD called unto Moses and spake' Lev.1:1)
32. To all Israel. ('the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the people. There came a fire out..' Lev 9:23)
33. To Moses after the death of Nadab and Abihu. (I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. Lev 16:2
34. To Moses in the tabernacle to number Israel. (LORD spake unto Moses..in the tabernacle. Numbers 1:1
35. To Moses in the tabernacle.'he heard the voice of one speaking to him from off the mercy seat. Num7:89
36. To Israel in the wilderness. So it was alway: the cloud covered it by day, & the appearance of fire by night.9:16
37. To put Moses spirit on 70 elders. 'The LORD came down in a cloud and spake unto him..' Num 11:25
38. To rebuke Miriam for criticizing Moses. 'The LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.' Numbers 12:5
39. To all the congregation when Korah led a rebellion against Moses. Numbers 16:19,42
40. To Balaam as the angel of the LORD when visiting Balak to curse Israel. Numbers 22:9,20-35.
41. To Moses before His death in the door of the tabernacle. Deut. 31:14,15. 'the LORD appeared in tab'
42. To Joshua as the Captain of the host of the LORD. Joshua 5:13-15.
43. To Joshua and Israel at Bochim. Judges 2:1-4. ('the similitude of the LORD shall he behold' Num 12:8
44. To Gideon to deliver Israel from Midian. Judges 6:12,14,16,20,21.
45. To Manoah and his wife to declare the birth of Samson. Judges 13:3,9,13,16-18,20-22.
46. To Samuel as a boy. 'The LORD came and stood and called as at other times, Samuel.' I Sam. 3:9-14
47. To Solomon and Israel at Temple dedication in 1004BC. I Kings 8:10,11. 'glory of the LORD filled.'
48. To destroy 185,000 Assyrian soldiers surrounding Jerusalem in 710 BC. 2 Kings 19:35; Isaiah 37:36.
49. To Shadrach, Meshach, Abed-nego in a furnace. 'form of the fourth is like the Son of God'Daniel 3:25

[LaSpino3]

One Creator Jesus Christ:

One Father in Heaven:

One Holy Spirit:

I always love to use the verse in Isa.48, where from verse 1 to 15, The LORD is speaking throughout these verses, yet the LORD said, Ver.16, "Come you near unto me, hear you this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I and now the Lord God (the Father). and his Spirit hath sent me."


One is single in number, as 1-2 etc., but it also can mean, one in union, or, one united body.

I'm sure you're familiar with the following verses. 

Matt.28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Not the conjunction "and" that connects one to another.


Gen.1:26, God said, "Let US make man in our image, after our likeness:"

"Us," a pronoun objective case of, "WE." Plural

Gen.11:7, God said, "Let US go down, and there confound their language."

Gen.2:24, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave = (be joined) unto his wife: and they (plural) shall be one (singular) flesh." Two people, one flesh.

Gen.34:16, "Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we (plural) will dwell with you, and we will become one (singular) people." That is, many people will become one people.

Col.3:15, "Ye = (many) are called in one body;" In this verse we see that many are called into one body, which is the church of Jesus Christ.

When we speak of One God, we are speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as being one in union. It's the Father's will, Jesus speaks that will, and the Holy Spirit moves on Jesus words. So the three are one in work, united as one in mind, one in will, affection, and interest.

Nothing fancy or tricky about it.
Laspino3

[KiwiChristian]

Allow me to structure the  argument.
Premise one. Only the Father is called "Almighty"
Premise two. The Son is call "Mighty"
Premise three. "Almighty" is greater than "Mighty.
Conclusion. The Father is greater than the Son.

This is a common answer used by Jehovah's Witnesses. They try to ascribe to God the Father the term "Almighty", and to Jesus "Mighty". This infers that each term has a value, and one is greater than the other. For this to be correct I should not find anywhere in the Bible where God the Father is referred to as "Mighty", for according to Jehovah's Witness logic this will make the Father lesser an equal to the Son. Note Isa 10:21 where Jehovah is referred to as "Mighty God", again making Him equal to Jesus. But you might ask who is "The Mighty God." Note Jer 32:18 note "the mighty God whose name is the Lord of host".
"Lord" is translated from "YHWH".
"God" is translated from "Elohym".

Please remember if you ascribe value to differentiate between a greater and lesser position, you cannot interchange the terminology you are using to ascribe value otherwise your reasoning is not logical.

When we search the Old Testament in the original language we find something very interesting and fascinating with the words from which we translate Almighty and Mighty.
Almighty translates from שַׁדַּי (šǎd∙dǎy) which means, a title for the true God, often with a focus on the power to complete promises of blessing and prosperity.
Mighty translates from גִּבֹּור gib∙bôr which means, mighty leader, mighty hero, best of the fighting men.

When analyzing the words in the original language we do not have a common denominator in the definition of either word that can be used to give one more valuable than the other. El Sadday basically refers to God's ability to bless His people, the idea of a cup that overflows. El Gibbor basically refers to a hero a mighty one fights for us. I find no proof to support the Watchtowers position of Almighty vs Mighty when referring to God and Jesus to give them position, the premise is therefore proven false.

One question, please my friend.

Who raised Jesus?