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Quote from: gospel on Fri Sep 02, 2011 - 19:27:52

Dear Sir ....Melchizedek is a type of Christ or hadn't you noticed that in your zeal to debunk the tithe

The historical Melchizedek was not THE Son of God, but was "made LIKE the Son of God.

Any list of negatives concerning the priest Melchizedek are fabrications to further some agenda.

Tithing on one's income and giving it to the church is a fabrication to further some agenda.

This is NO scripture that supports tithing on one's income, nor is there any scripture that supports taking God's tithe to the church.

Quote from: garyarnold on Fri Sep 02, 2011 - 22:03:55
Tithing on one's income and giving it to the church is a fabrication to further some agenda.

This is NO scripture that supports tithing on one's income, nor is there any scripture that supports taking God's tithe to the church.

No, it is what God has asked. All scripture supports it. No scripture denounces it. the local church is the storehouse of today---where we receive our spiritual food.

Tithing is something we do in the natural that is seen by God in the spiritual realm, and the benefits are both natural and spiritual.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Sep 02, 2011 - 22:15:02
No, it is what God has asked.

It's all in your head, and I have indeed given scripture that denounces it.  You just don't accept it.  You have been brainwashed.

All this back and forth and you STILL don't have any scripture to support your position.

If you want to keep your head buried in the sand, so be it.

Quote from: garyarnold on Fri Sep 02, 2011 - 22:56:35

Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Sep 02, 2011 - 22:15:02
No, it is what God has asked.

It's all in your head, and I have indeed given scripture that denounces it.  You just don't accept it.  You have been brainwashed.

All this back and forth and you STILL don't have any scripture to support your position.

If you want to keep your head buried in the sand, so be it.

There is nothing in Scripture that denounces tithing for the believer.

I have given scripture in my past posts, and I am not going to be harassed for more. I can hold my head up high knowing that my husband and I are obedient to our King. He is pleased, and that is all that matters.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Sep 02, 2011 - 19:39:33
Any list of negatives concerning the priest Melchizedek are fabrications to further some agenda.

Sad isn't it? 

For the sole purpose of denouncing tithing they have to denigrate Melchizedek in the process...

Its seems to me that what we have here is a root of bitterness

Quote from: gospel on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 01:41:20

Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Sep 02, 2011 - 19:39:33
Any list of negatives concerning the priest Melchizedek are fabrications to further some agenda.

Sad isn't it? 

For the sole purpose of denouncing tithing they have to denigrate Melchizedek in the process...

Its seems to me that what we have here is a root of bitterness

...and stiff necks.

I think I will take a different approach today.  If you cant win, join them (so goes the saying).  So, let me preach giving for a moment.  This is what I would say, if I wanted to encourage someone to give more.

1.  I will quote 2Cor 9:6-7 telling them that God will bless them in accordance to their sowing.  The more seed they sow, the greater the harvest.  I will make sure they hear verse 7 where it says we are at liberty to do with our money as we wish.  I will tell them, Do not give grudginly, give what you really want to give.

2.  I will encourage them by sharing with them examples in my life on how God blessed my family in proportion to our giving.  The scary part of this is that it is likely that I will end up praising myself and that is bad (Prov 27:2).

3.  I will mention that the practice of tithing (not the law) existed since before the law and that we need to draw near to God first with our faith, and then God will show himself more real to us.

4.  I will use the example of the parable of the sower, telling them:  You know that before farmers put the seed on the ground, they plow the field, right?  You know it is not wise for a farmer to spread the seed over rocks and thorn bushes without plowing the field first to remove them first, right?  And when they nod their heads in agreement, I will tell them, God is the same.  It is wrong to put the seed of the word of God (Mat 13 defines the seed as the word) in the hearts of the people without first plowing the field and removing the rocks and the thorn bushes first.  The Bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil and because of that, many have pierced themselves with many sorrows.  The Bible says that the thorn bushes in the parable of the sower are the deceitfulness of riches.  That is why I am talking to you today about money, because unless I tell you about the evil of loving money I will be wasting my time trying to get the seed of the gospel among the thorn bushes of the heart of the people.  Thorns pierce people and cause pain.

1 Tim 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Mt 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

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That's what I would do.

The one thing I will never do, if to try to get them to give through guilt.  I know no one here is purposely trying to get people motivated through guilt, I know that.  But to me, when we try to do it by quoting the law, we are doing it unconsciously.  The law brings guilt to those breaking the law they believe is in effect.  Telling them there is a law of tithing today is not true and it is the wrong vehicle to motivate people.  Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.  Trying to get people to change for the better using the law does not work, we tried that, it is called the Old Testament (Heb 10:1).

By the way, there are 20 other Biblical reasons to encourage people to give even beyond 10 % without having to quote a non existent law or threatening people with a curse if they do not give 10$ of their salaries.

I want to go on record now: Lord, every iddle word spoken against me in this thread I declare it now forgiven in the name of Jesus.  I am asking you Lord, not to mention it in the day of judgement because I have forgiven them all, whether they repent or not is irrelevant, I have forgiven them in Jesus name. Help me Lord to discuss doctrine without praising myself or accusing others, in Jesus' name, Amen.

Peace

Giving is good. No one argues with giving.



As for forgiveness, I forgive the many fierce and accusatory words and attitudes that have come across from anti-tithers. There needs to be repentance to God for those as well...unless they are repented of, no forgiveness can be granted.

Tithing is one of those rules and regulations laid down in the Law.  I am really surprised to find some who preach hot and heavy against the Christian's need to hold to or keep the Law and yet consider tithing as something the Christian is bound to do.  Some things are just wierd.

Quote from: Jimmy on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:35:10
Tithing is one of those rules and regulations laid down in the Law.  I am really surprised to find some who preach hot and heavy against the Christian's need to hold to or keep the Law and yet consider tithing as something the Christian is bound to do.  Some things are just weird.

That's because tithing came long before the law and it continues outside of it.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:49:01

That's because tithing came long before the law and it continues outside of it.

Abram gave a tenth of war spoils that did NOT even belong to him.  AND, he kept nothing for himself.

No one follows Abram's one-time recorded tithe.

Quote from: garyarnold on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:58:10

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:49:01

That's because tithing came long before the law and it continues outside of it.

Abram gave a tenth of war spoils that did NOT even belong to him.  AND, he kept nothing for himself.

No one follows Abram's one-time recorded tithe.

We still tithe according to the principle and practice laid down in the word. Jacob also tithed---before the law! It is so telling that these men loved God and walked with Him in such a way that they were open handed with their possessions and their finances---generous to lay down their wealth before the Lord, knowing that He is their utter source of all they possess, and gain.

Quote from: garyarnold on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:58:10

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:49:01

That's because tithing came long before the law and it continues outside of it.

Abram gave a tenth of war spoils that did NOT even belong to him.  AND, he kept nothing for himself.

No one follows Abram's one-time recorded tithe.

Yes, the account of Melchizedek and Abram is an historical record of an event in history.  Even though it is one of monumental significance it is not a giving of a command to anyone.  The tithe was established as a part of the Law in Leviticus 27.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 11:06:25

Quote from: garyarnold on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:58:10

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 10:49:01

That's because tithing came long before the law and it continues outside of it.

Abram gave a tenth of war spoils that did NOT even belong to him.  AND, he kept nothing for himself.

No one follows Abram's one-time recorded tithe.

We still tithe according to the principle and practice laid down in the word. Jacob also tithed---before the law! It is so telling that these men loved God and walked with Him in such a way that they were open handed with their possessions and their finances---generous to lay down their wealth before the Lord, knowing that He is their utter source of all they possess, and gain.

There were sacrifices offered before the law also, but we no longer do that either.  If any wish to give an offering of their money, goods, or whatever to God through their congregation, a tenth part is probably a good place to start.  But the institution of the tithe as some sort of moral, religious, or other obligation is simply not in the spirit of any of the NT teachings.

As Jesus Christ is of the order of Melchizedek, our high priest forever, He is more than worthy to receive a tenth off the top---representing my acknowledgment that He is the Lord of EVERYTHING, along with my gratitude and my worship. He is worthy to receive gifts also.

No amount of spinning on the part of anti-tithers can dissuade those who tithe to stop, for we are obeying God in it, and pleasing Him, and His precious promises are being realized in it.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 11:06:25
Jacob also tithed---before the law!

There is absolutely NO scripture telling us that Jacob ever tithed.  Why must these false claims continue?

Gen. 28:12–16; 20-22
12 As he slept, he dreamed of a stairway that reached from the earth up to heaven. And he saw the angels of God going up and down the stairway.

13 At the top of the stairway stood the Lord, and he said, "I am the Lord, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants. 14 Your descendants will be as numerous as the dust of the earth! They will spread out in all directions—to the west and the east, to the north and the south. And all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your descendants. 15 What's more, I am with you, and I will protect you wherever you go. One day I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have finished giving you everything I have promised you.

This promise to tithe was not to be a onetime event.

The promise to tithe WAS IN FACT a one-time event.

Because he was aware of God's requirement to tithe and knew tithing was an act of worship.

You are making assumptions not supported by scripture.  If Jacob was aware of God's so-called requirement to tithe, I must assume that Jacob would have given the tenth with NO conditions.

Of course it was a voluntary act on Jacob's part.
You just said that Jacob was aware of God's REQUIREMENT to tithe.  Now you say it was voluntary.  You contradict yourself.

There is no Scripture that states Israel did not tithe. To say this proves tithing was not a law is an example of determining a doctrine by means of omission.

You aren't consistent.  You have a double standard.  You have previously said that there is no scripture that denounces tithing and draw the conclusion that it must still be commanded.

There is no scripture that says Jacob tithed.

In one sentence you say tithing is voluntary.  In another sentence you say God has commanded us to tithe.

You are putting yourself under the law.  Same as you can voluntarily follow man's laws, or you can ignore them and suffer the consequences.  Since you believe you and your husband were financially cursed while not tithing, you have put yourself under the law; therefore, you fall from grace and will be cursed by the law.

Being under grace doesn't mean that now we voluntarily follow the laws.  
You have taken God's THREE commands to tithe and REDUCED THEM down to ONE, have CHANGED what is tithed, and have CHANGED what to do with the tithe.  You are following NONE of God's tithing commands given in His Word.  You certainly aren't fooling God.  You aren't even fooling me.  But apparently you are fooling yourself.

Quote from: garyarnold on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 11:59:58
This promise to tithe was not to be a onetime event.

The promise to tithe WAS IN FACT a one-time event.

Because he was aware of God's requirement to tithe and knew tithing was an act of worship.

You are making assumptions not supported by scripture.  If Jacob was aware of God's so-called requirement to tithe, I must assume that Jacob would have given the tenth with NO conditions.

Of course it was a voluntary act on Jacob's part.
You just said that Jacob was aware of God's REQUIREMENT to tithe.  Now you say it was voluntary.  You contradict yourself.

There is no Scripture that states Israel did not tithe. To say this proves tithing was not a law is an example of determining a doctrine by means of omission.

You aren't consistent.  You have a double standard.  You have previously said that there is no scripture that denounces tithing and draw the conclusion that it must still be commanded.

There is no scripture that says Jacob tithed.

In one sentence you say tithing is voluntary.  In another sentence you say God has commanded us to tithe.

You are putting yourself under the law.  Same as you can voluntarily follow man's laws, or you can ignore them and suffer the consequences.  Since you believe you and your husband were financially cursed while not tithing, you have put yourself under the law; therefore, you fall from grace and will be cursed by the law.

Being under grace doesn't mean that now we voluntarily follow the laws.  
You have taken God's THREE commands to tithe and REDUCED THEM down to ONE, have CHANGED what is tithed, and have CHANGED what to do with the tithe.  You are following NONE of God's tithing commands given in His Word.  You certainly aren't fooling God.  You aren't even fooling me.  But apparently you are fooling yourself.

I am neither inconsistent, nor have a double standard.

If you reject tithing, do so. I don't.

There is no command to tithe before Moses.  If there is a COMMAND to do so, please show us the verse.

Being a tither is a good thing (just like being vegetarian or cellibate).  But teaching or telling anyone that if they do not do it they are robbing God, that is grossly wrong.

Again, the issue is not about how much to give, the issue here is whether the Church is under the tithing law or not.  That is the issue. Doctrine should be based on the Bible, where is the verse that talks about 10% of our salary?  Non existent.

I am tempted to quote those that praise themselves and those that accuse others to demonstrate it is practically impossible to defend the law of tithing without praising ourselves or accusing others.  But I wont go there.  That would be feeding the flesh (too much fun).

Peace

Quote from: Talking Donkey on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 12:13:23
There is no command to tithe before Moses.  If there is a COMMAND to do so, please show us the verse.

Being a tither is a good thing (just like being vegetarian or cellibate).  But teaching or telling anyone that if they do not do it they are robbing God, that is grossly wrong.

I don't have to say it. God says it to those who desire to hear Him. He, and no one else told us we were, and we heeded Him, and rectified the situation.

QuoteAgain, the issue is not about how much to give, the issue here is whether the Church is under the tithing law or not.  That is the issue. Doctrine should be based on the Bible, where is the verse that talks about 10% of our salary?  Non existent.

I am tempted to quote those that praise themselves and those that accuse others to demonstrate it is practically impossible to defend the law of tithing without praising ourselves or accusing others.  But I wont go there.  That would be feeding the flesh (too much fun).

Tithing is not abolished. In this 21st century, we adapt it to our culture. We allow God to show us how---He is good at doing that.

This is not an opportunity for self-praise, but it is an opportunity to speak to the practice of tithing in the Church, and how good and important it is. Don't get any ideas that it is fun to participate in this kind of discussion, because it isn't---due to the misinterpretation of others and the definite walls that have been put up against it, not to mention the invective that it generates.

Jesus is my Lord and He will vindicate me. I know that the negative stuff that I have to wade through is not against me personally, but simply is a reaction to what is being shared, and not so well, obviously, from a heart that the Lord has spoken to.

In this 21st century, we adapt it to our culture.

Same argument same-sex marriage people can use.

Christians are supposed to adapt their lives to the Word, not the other way around.

And actually, what is there to adapt when it comes to tithing?

Tithing came from the agriculture - the crops, and the tenth animal in herds and flocks. ONLY farmers tithed. There is no example of any other type of profession that tithed, nor are there any instructions for anyone else to tithe, yet they had various other occupations during that period of time.

Arts and Crafts: Ex. 31:3-5; 35:31-35; 2 Ki. 16:10

Baker: Gen. 40:1-2; Jer. 37:21; Hos. 7:4

Builder: 2 Ki. 12:11; 22:6; Ezra 3:10; Matt 21:42; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7

Carpenter: 2 Sam. 5:11; 2 Ki. 12:11; 2 Chr. 24:12; Ezra 3:7; Isa. 44:13; Matt. 13:55; Mk. 6:3

Cook: 1 Sam. 8:13; 9:23-24

Doorkeeper: 2 Ki. 22:4; 25:18; 1 Chr. 15:23-24; Jer. 35:4

Fisherman: Isa. 19:8; Jer. 16:16; Ezek. 47:10; Matt. 4:18; 13:48; Lk. 5:2

Foremen: Ruth 2:5-6; 1 Ki. 5:16; 2 Chr. 2:2, 18; Matt. 20:8

Fortune Teller: Deut. 13:1-3; Acts 16:16

Goldsmith: Neh. 3:8, 31-32; Isa. 40:19; 41:7; 46:6; Jer. 10:9, 14; 51:17

Hunter: Gen. 10:9; 25:27; Jer. 16:16

Innkeeper: Lk. 10:35

Mason - Stonemasons: 2 Sam 5:11; 2 Ki. 12:12; 1 Chr. 22:15; 2 Chr. 24:12

Merchant - Trader: Gen. 23:16; 37:28; 1 Ki. 10:15; Neh. 13:20; Ezek. 27:3, 22-23; Matt. 13:45

Musician: 1 Ki. 10:12; 1 Chr. 6:33; 9:33; 2 Chr. 5:12

Perfume Maker: Ex. 30:25, 33, 35; 37:29; 1 Sam. 8:13; Neh. 3:8

love-peddler: Gen. 38:15-24; Lev. 21:14; Josh. 6:17, 25; Judg. 11:1; 16:1; Jer. 3:1; Joel 3:3; Matt. 21:31-32; Lk. 15:30; 1 Cor. 6:15-16; Jas. 2:25

Scribe - Teacher of the law: 1 Chr. 2:55; 1 Chr. 24:6; 27:32; Neh. 8:1; 13:13; Jer. 36:26; Matt. 2:4; Mk. 2:6; Acts 4:5 (They did not tithe on any income from being a teacher or lawyer.)

Silversmith: Judg. 17:4; Prov. 25:4; Acts 19:24

Spinning - Weaving: Ex. 28:3; 35:25-26; 2 Ki. 23:7; Prov. 31:19; Acts 9:39

Stonecutters: 1 Ki. 5:15; 2 Ki. 12:12; 1 Chr. 22:15

Supervisor: 2 Chr. 31:13; 34:17

Tanner: Num. 31:20; Acts 9:43; 10:6, 32

Tax Collector: Dan. 11:20; Matt. 10:3; Lk. 5:27

There is NO example of any of the above tithing from the income they made, nor was there a provision in God's well-defined tithing command. The command to tithe was not a principle, it was a law, to be followed as it was written.

The part of the world I live in is known as the Agricultural Capital of the World. Agriculture is what the economy is in this part of the US. Yet no pastor asks for a tenth of crops and animals - they want money, even though many church members are farmers. How can any pastor justify saying tithing on income is the principle of the OT tithe when income was NOT tithable?

Quote from: garyarnold on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 12:50:15
In this 21st century, we adapt it to our culture.

Same argument same-sex marriage people can use.

Rubbish.

QuoteChristians are supposed to adapt their lives to the Word, not the other way around.

We do.

QuoteAnd actually, what is there to adapt when it comes to tithing?

Tithing came from the agriculture - the crops, and the tenth animal in herds and flocks. ONLY farmers tithed. There is no example of any other type of profession that tithed, nor are there any instructions for anyone else to tithe, yet they had various other occupations during that period of time.

Arts and Crafts: Ex. 31:3-5; 35:31-35; 2 Ki. 16:10

Baker: Gen. 40:1-2; Jer. 37:21; Hos. 7:4

Builder: 2 Ki. 12:11; 22:6; Ezra 3:10; Matt 21:42; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7

Carpenter: 2 Sam. 5:11; 2 Ki. 12:11; 2 Chr. 24:12; Ezra 3:7; Isa. 44:13; Matt. 13:55; Mk. 6:3

Cook: 1 Sam. 8:13; 9:23-24

Doorkeeper: 2 Ki. 22:4; 25:18; 1 Chr. 15:23-24; Jer. 35:4

Fisherman: Isa. 19:8; Jer. 16:16; Ezek. 47:10; Matt. 4:18; 13:48; Lk. 5:2

Foremen: Ruth 2:5-6; 1 Ki. 5:16; 2 Chr. 2:2, 18; Matt. 20:8

Fortune Teller: Deut. 13:1-3; Acts 16:16

Goldsmith: Neh. 3:8, 31-32; Isa. 40:19; 41:7; 46:6; Jer. 10:9, 14; 51:17

Hunter: Gen. 10:9; 25:27; Jer. 16:16

Innkeeper: Lk. 10:35

Mason - Stonemasons: 2 Sam 5:11; 2 Ki. 12:12; 1 Chr. 22:15; 2 Chr. 24:12

Merchant - Trader: Gen. 23:16; 37:28; 1 Ki. 10:15; Neh. 13:20; Ezek. 27:3, 22-23; Matt. 13:45

Musician: 1 Ki. 10:12; 1 Chr. 6:33; 9:33; 2 Chr. 5:12

Perfume Maker: Ex. 30:25, 33, 35; 37:29; 1 Sam. 8:13; Neh. 3:8

love-peddler: Gen. 38:15-24; Lev. 21:14; Josh. 6:17, 25; Judg. 11:1; 16:1; Jer. 3:1; Joel 3:3; Matt. 21:31-32; Lk. 15:30; 1 Cor. 6:15-16; Jas. 2:25

Scribe - Teacher of the law: 1 Chr. 2:55; 1 Chr. 24:6; 27:32; Neh. 8:1; 13:13; Jer. 36:26; Matt. 2:4; Mk. 2:6; Acts 4:5 (They did not tithe on any income from being a teacher or lawyer.)

Silversmith: Judg. 17:4; Prov. 25:4; Acts 19:24

Spinning - Weaving: Ex. 28:3; 35:25-26; 2 Ki. 23:7; Prov. 31:19; Acts 9:39

Stonecutters: 1 Ki. 5:15; 2 Ki. 12:12; 1 Chr. 22:15

Supervisor: 2 Chr. 31:13; 34:17

Tanner: Num. 31:20; Acts 9:43; 10:6, 32

Tax Collector: Dan. 11:20; Matt. 10:3; Lk. 5:27

There is NO example of any of the above tithing from the income they made, nor was there a provision in God's well-defined tithing command. The command to tithe was not a principle, it was a law, to be followed as it was written.

The part of the world I live in is known as the Agricultural Capital of the World. Agriculture is what the economy is in this part of the US. Yet no pastor asks for a tenth of crops and animals - they want money, even though many church members are farmers. How can any pastor justify saying tithing on income is the principle of the OT tithe when income was NOT tithable?

Methinks thou dost protest tooooo much!

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 14:35:16
Methinks thou dost protest tooooo much!

I am a Certified Money and Finance Minister.  My calling is to teach the truth and expose false teachers.

Quote from: garyarnold on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 14:55:45

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 14:35:16
Methinks thou dost protest tooooo much!

I am a Certified Money and Finance Minister.  My calling is to teach the truth and expose false teachers.

I am a Spirit-filled Christian. My calling is to contend for the truth of Jesus Christ and the word of God.

Titles mean nothing. God is no respecter of persons.

Did anyone notice that when we say there is no tithing law for the Church, someone keeps bringing their Rhema word as proof at the law is still in effect? For everyone, all the time?

Why is that?  Hmmmm.

Peace

Rhema is the word of the Lord.

Anyone notice how readily it is discounted by those who haven't experienced it? Every time?

Why is that? Hmmmm.

Anyone can claim they have heard from the Lord.  Some say the Lord told them the world is coming to an end on a certain date.  Some say the Lord told them to steal.  Some say the Lord told them to kill. 

Because there are many spirits, God warned us how to guard against false teachers.  The Word says to compare what the teacher says with God's Word.  If it doesn't match, it wasn't a message from God.

Tithing on wages does not match up with God's Word.  Simple as that.  They had wages, even in Genesis.  But nowhere does God's Word say anything about tithing on wages.

Those who teach that God says to tithe on their wages are false teachers.  God didn't give us His Word and then leave it up to us to try and figure out who is teaching truth and who is teaching lies.  He gave us the answer in His Word.  Very simple.

I learned a long time ago I can't believe what a pastor says any more than I can believe what a used-car salesman says.  I have to check them both out for accuracy.  Just because someone claims to be spirit filled doesn't mean it is God's Spirit that they are filled with.  They just might be full of you know what.

Tithing is all Bible-based.

Not trusting our shepherds the root of many a problem. I can see that clearly.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 16:07:57
Tithing is all Bible-based.

So are animal sacrifices.  But we don't do them anymore.

Jarrod

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 21:26:12

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 16:07:57
Tithing is all Bible-based.

So are animal sacrifices.  But we don't do them anymore.

Jarrod

Tithing has never been rescinded. Animal sacrifices have...in the Tribulation, sacrifices will be revived.

Not following shepherds?  Is that our problem?  Quoting the word of man (or a dream or a vision) as the ultimate in doctrine?  Is there a candid camera somewhere?  Tell me I am being PUNKED...

Tell me you got something better than that to PROVE a doctrine that says the Church is under a new law that says we owe 10% of our salary as a PAYMENT, not a gift, but a payment we OWE to God and that he will curse us if we dont pay.

Waiting for those hidden verses that no one knows about ... to be enlightened.

TD

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 22:18:04

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 21:26:12

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat Sep 03, 2011 - 16:07:57
Tithing is all Bible-based.

So are animal sacrifices.  But we don't do them anymore.

Jarrod

Tithing has never been rescinded. Animal sacrifices have...in the Tribulation, sacrifices will be revived.

Please show me where animal sacrifices are rescinded.

If you can, I will show you where tithing as a commandment is rescinded.

Jarrod