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QuoteThe whole Bible both NT and OT was inspired by the Holy Spirit. If it was only written by man and contained only man's opinions then I can tell you honestly that I would throw mine out. There wouldnt be any point in keeping it or reading it because I wouldn't be able to trust it or know which parts are true.

There was once a literary theorist named Mathew Arnold who attempted to reconcile the fact that the Bible contained numerous scientific, historical and archaeological errors with the notion that it still came from God. He hypothesized that the Bible may not be factually true, but may be emotionally true, meaning the messages and so forth are correct, even if there are factual mistakes. I don't necessarily subscribe to such a view exactly,  but I think there might be some truth in that statement. Of course, I don't believe the Bible is completely without error, so it may make more sense to me, but I've never believed that God whispered every last word into the ears of his prophets. I believe that he inspired them to write down events that transpired, to record things pertaining to theology and doctrine, but that man himself could have easily been mistaken on factual elements, things not that important in the grand scheme of things. I think the Bible can still be true, even if some of its facts are a little iffy.

Quote from: the_last_gunslinger on Wed Dec 14, 2011 - 08:19:33

QuoteThe whole Bible both NT and OT was inspired by the Holy Spirit. If it was only written by man and contained only man's opinions then I can tell you honestly that I would throw mine out. There wouldnt be any point in keeping it or reading it because I wouldn't be able to trust it or know which parts are true.

There was once a literary theorist named Mathew Arnold who attempted to reconcile the fact that the Bible contained numerous scientific, historical and archaeological errors with the notion that it still came from God. He hypothesized that the Bible may not be factually true, but may be emotionally true, meaning the messages and so forth are correct, even if there are factual mistakes. I don't necessarily subscribe to such a view exactly,  but I think there might be some truth in that statement. Of course, I don't believe the Bible is completely without error, so it may make more sense to me, but I've never believed that God whispered every last word into the ears of his prophets. I believe that he inspired them to write down events that transpired, to record things pertaining to theology and doctrine, but that man himself could have easily been mistaken on factual elements, things not that important in the grand scheme of things. I think the Bible can still be true, even if some of its facts are a little iffy.

so then this leaves you to determine what is true and what is a lie
what God can do and what he cannot do

FCADCOCK says::

God may have simply forbade it, not because it was real, but because attempting it was attempting to usurp His power.  Just the same as the story of the tower of Babel.  We all know that you can't reach Heaven by building a tower, we have space probes which haven't even reached it...  The point was that they were ATTEMPTING to get there.  Just the same, it's not that you can actually cast a spell which can break the laws He set up, it's that you can ATTEMPT to.


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies::

They knew of the flood therefore they were gonna build a tower higher than God could flood all the way to heaven.... It was turning into a godless one world with man at the center. And Satan as leader....  To say there's no magic (witchcraft) is to call God a liar....

How does david blaine levitate?   
 

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Quoteo then this leaves you to determine what is true and what is a lie
what God can do and what he cannot do

I might be misunderstanding what you're saying here, but I don't think I said this at all. It is not I who attempts to figure out what the Bible means; I let the Spirit do that. Nor am I trying to put restrictions on what God can and cannot do.

Quote from: the_last_gunslinger on Wed Dec 14, 2011 - 14:41:49
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Quoteo then this leaves you to determine what is true and what is a lie
what God can do and what he cannot do

I might be misunderstanding what you're saying here, but I don't think I said this at all. It is not I who attempts to figure out what the Bible means; I let the Spirit do that.

no I said that to you that if you don't believe parts of the bible, you'd have to now decide what's did and did not happen....But it is the bible THAT confirms the spirit and not the other way around....

Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged studies elements of Rowlings's imagery and writings, including the use of the "Potter

Quoteno I said that to you that if you don't believe parts of the bible, you'd have to now decide what's did and did not happen....But it is the bible THAT confirms the spirit and not the other way around....
   

I never said that I doubted many of the events in the Bible, only that there may be some minor errors here and there, archaeological and such. And even if there are, it does not, in any way, lessen the book's status as the Word of God.

Your comment that the bible confirms the spirit is interesting, though I would have to disagree. Without the Spirit, we would not even be able to tell if the Bible is true. The spirit testifies of the word of God; the bible itself cannot testify of the spirit, because we can't know of the validity of the Bible without the Spirit. Without that divine witness, for all we know, it is just a collection of myths.

I say the word confirms the spirit as the word is our guide to what's right and wrong
how can we follow a spirit and know truth? Through the word ofcourse.

If a spirit doesn't match the word we know it's false
if the word doesn't match the spirit then what?

Let me give an example

holy laughter.... They use the verse acts 2:13 for their reasoning of holy laughter or drunk in the spirit, which we see in v. 15 that it has nothing to do with acting like a drunk or out if control.

Tongues is not for the believer but the unbeliever and they were only speaking In others tongues that were present.

Now see the people who give themselfs over to uncontrolled laughter think they are doing what the people of acts were doing and this isn't so..... They have allowed a spirit to dictate the word (meaning) when if they had checked the word first they'd know like me that it's not biblical and instead demonic.... A demonic spirit takes over these believers bodies and the believers foolishly invite it thinking because laughing in good laughing is fun it MUST be from god.  Then the demons come and go as they please and spread like the flu.... This is what's ment when Jesus says a man gets clean (saved) and the demon leaves and goes finds more demons and finding that the Christian didn't fill his newly cleaned house with Christ, the devil takes up an now the man is worst off than before... These have allowed demons to control them.... They have allowed the spirit to confirm what the word says..... This is wrong 

QuoteI say the word confirms the spirit as the word is our guide to what's right and wrong
how can we follow a spirit and know truth? Through the word ofcourse.

Interesting take. I think I see where you are coming from. And I would agree that The Word, or the Bible in this instance, is our guide for life. But I could inverse the question as well: How can we know and recognize the word without the confirming voice of the spirit?

QuoteIf a spirit doesn't match the word we know it's false
if the word doesn't match the spirit then what?

This may be true, and I'm not sure how to respond to this. We have different religious backgrounds that would alter our own understanding, and I don't feel the urge right now to go into a long explanation of what "The Word" entails. Suffice it to say, I don't believe that the spirit will ever counter God's Word. And if it does, then that feeling may not be from God. I was more speaking to the fact that in order to even accept the Bible as the Word, one must gain a testimony from the Holy Spirit. I am unfamiliar with your spiritual journey, but would it be safe to assume that it was through the Holy Spirit that you learned of the truthfulness of the Bible?

Disney comerical goes like this:


We read the book
we saw the movie
now were Living it


See the devil always leads you somewhere

(notice the coaster their on is a dragon)

there's a dinosaur toe on my desk which proves that point wrong.)

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

why cause someone tells you such?  Yet God says different....

Those same fools who tell you the earths millions of years old also tell us that the moon came about when another mass struck the earth and the debris spun into the moon....

They had to change to this view when they found the moon was made up of the same thing the earth upper crust is.... So tell me


Where's the 25% area go that is the moon? 

We can see where rocks have impacted the earth yet one that takes 1/4th the earth away we can't see......


I saw a claim of water on ? Some planet yet it wasn't water or even close
they found a liquid (they say) and called it water... This is how someone then comes along and tells everyone they've already found water and build on that

it comes down to if you believe God at His word or not - not if you can make it work in the world...

If He if capable of pulling it off - they tell you that bone is millions of years old yet you can only go by what someone says:


Haters of God can through the years make anything true.  I saw the missing mink about 3 years ago to much fanfare and what was our link?   A lizzard! Less than a foot in length

and these are the brillant men who also say there was a big bang

foolish man Stephen hawking will find out

he say: there is NO God cause before the big bang there was no time

he's right about that God had no time before us..... Hawking is a fool

and these are the godless men who make your millions of year old world!

Quote from: M Gold on Tue Nov 01, 2011 - 13:33:52
Narnia and Lord of the Rings are also evil movies that Christians watch.

Narnia and The Lord of the Rings (the books) happen to be written by very devote Christians, thank you. They are about good thriumphing over evil. And excuse me, but in Narnia, Aslan represents Jesus, Edmund mankind, and The White Witch Satan. Edmund sins, The White Witch tries to kill him, Aslan sacrifices himself for Edmund, and later Aslan kills the White Witch. The Witch Witch keeps coming back, but Aslan is always there to help Edmund and to save everyone. How is that evil, may I ask?

And anyone say what you want, but I am obsessed with Harry Potter, Narnia, and The Lord of the Rings. And I am a Christian. And if you dare question my Faith or simply state I am not a Christian, I shall pray long and hard for your misjudgment. Besides, Bible says do not judge.

And now you're going to show us some "parallels" to the Bible in HarryPotter?

The Narnia tales have a good spiritual spine to them, and not so much in the Lord of the Rings, but I have read the book, and have seen in the actual book some allusion to spiritual things, but as for Harry Potter, the writing is unredeemable, and devoted only to witchcraft, immorality and general darkness. There is nothing in anything concerning the Harry Potter series that is worthy of Christian eyes to be taking in. IMHO, of course.

http://youtu.be/vFP7JbAUJQI

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 20:26:59
The Narnia tales have a good spiritual spine to them, and not so much in the Lord of the Rings, but I have read the book, and have seen in the actual book some allusion to spiritual things, but as for Harry Potter, the writing is unredeemable, and devoted only to witchcraft, immorality and general darkness. There is nothing in anything concerning the Harry Potter series that is worthy of Christian eyes to be taking in. IMHO, of course.

http://youtu.be/vFP7JbAUJQI

I love Harry Potter. I don't see what the big deal is. As long as you aren't trying to practice Witchcraft, Necromancy, Fortune Telling, Occult, ect what does it matter? I don't understand.

Books about Darkness are not evil. They are evil if the darkness wins and crushes the Light out of the world, but if the darkness is conqured by those who are pure of heart, how is that evil?

I honestly don't understand why this is "bad". I was reading a chapter of the Bible on witchcraft, and it said to not practice it. Reading a fictional book with wizard characters isn't practicing a death curse on someone or trying to make witches brew.

I know a couple who refused to let their children take part in halloween because of the connections to witchcraft and evil, but let them read harry Potter. I just dont get that at all.  If my children were still young I would not want them doing either.
Harry potter is something that I keep well away from, as we are told to have nothing to do with witchcraft, wizard, magic spells etc. 

Quote from: FlawedWings on Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 15:34:10

Quote from: M Gold on Tue Nov 01, 2011 - 13:33:52
Narnia and Lord of the Rings are also evil movies that Christians watch.

Narnia and The Lord of the Rings (the books) happen to be written by very devote Christians, thank you. They are about good triumphing over evil. And excuse me, but in Narnia, Aslan represents Jesus, Edmund mankind, and The White Witch Satan. Edmund sins, The White Witch tries to kill him, Aslan sacrifices himself for Edmund, and later Aslan kills the White Witch. The Witch Witch keeps coming back, but Aslan is always there to help Edmund and to save everyone. How is that evil, may I ask?

And anyone say what you want, but I am obsessed with Harry Potter, Narnia, and The Lord of the Rings. And I am a Christian. And if you dare question my Faith or simply state I am not a Christian, I shall pray long and hard for your misjudgment. Besides, Bible says do not judge.

I noticed that you said you are 'obsessed' with Harry Potter. I thought that was very interesting. Doesn't that show you that there is something not right to start with, that it can make you obsessed with it?
I used to read and watch many things that now I wont and don't want to. God just takes away our desires for things that are not good for us, and sometimes we ourselves need to stop doing things that are not of Him. What we see and hear and read does effect us for good or bad.

Phil 4v8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.

Does witchcraft, wizardry, casting spells, darkness, evil, monsters etc fit the above verse?