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41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." 42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?"
John 6:41-42 (NKJV)

I think most will be seeing scripture after scripture posted to back up Who Jesus is.God in flesh


And you never did answer the Question about your personal relationship that you have with the Holy Spirit.Give me something to hang onto here.

Who is the presence of God to you.Don't give me scripture Insight just tell me your relationship to his word and spirit.

I want to feel it from your soul

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:27:44
41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." 42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?"
John 6:41-42 (NKJV)

I think most will be seeing scripture after scripture posted to back up Who Jesus is. God in flesh

If that is what you see before you look...what do you expect to see?

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And you never did answer the Question about your personal relationship that you have with the Holy Spirit.Give me something to hang onto here.

Who is the presence of God to you. Don't give me scripture Insight just tell me your relationship to his word and spirit.

I visualised you saying this to Jesus Christ – "Look Lord, I do really want to understand your relationship with the Father but do you mind putting it into your own words, you know leave out the Scripture

you really don't know him

1. Leprosy

2. Issues - discharges from the body - i.e. an haemorrhage or running sore - related basically to the reproductive organs,

3. Contact with a dead body.

Would anyone like to inform Bemark precisely which sacrifice was offered to cleanse the defiled person(s)? And how did this sacrifice relates to the Lord Jesus Christ?

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:46:05
you really don't know him

You see Bemark, I expected you to say this before typing my previous response, because this is what the Pharisee's constantly said to Jesus Christ during his ministry.

They sought a sign, they laid claim to knowing God more than any other and they tested Jesus to see if these things were so.

Likewise they couldn't enter the Word of God and often found themselves floundering in their false teachings while Jesus would say "you do err not knowing the Scriptures" and "have ye not read" and so on...

It appears we have come to the same outcome.

You desire the "experience" without substance and you desire to know my experience so as to validate yours. The foundation is Bible Truth and not the warm and fuzzy feelings you seek.

When you desire to seek truth rather than a sign.

PM me anytime.

God Bless.

Insight

Quote from: Insight on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:55:56

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:46:05
you really don't know him

You see Bemark, I expected you to say this before typing my previous response, because this is what the Pharisee's constantly said to Jesus Christ during his ministry.

They sought a sign, they laid claim to knowing God more than any other and they tested Jesus to see if these things were so.

Likewise they couldn't enter the Word of God and often found themselves floundering in their false teachings while Jesus would say "you do err not knowing the Scriptures" and "have ye not read" and so on...

It appears we have come to the same outcome.

You desire the "experience" without substance and you desire to know my experience so as to validate yours. The foundation is Bible Truth and not the warm and fuzzy feelings you seek.

When you desire to seek truth rather than a sign.

PM me anytime.

God Bless.

Insight

Its a simple question insight and a simple reply would have done.Nothing wicked in it but just a bubbling up of the Love affair that you have with him

On a personal note Benmark - I appreciate how you might enjoy the Bible and maybe you don't get that these Words we study are in fact the same words that Jesus calls "eternal life" - so when you make the below statement:-

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But one thing I love and it is to dig deeper into his word and I love the fact that you have encouraged me to do so.

My distancing myself emotionally from you is ( as the Lord often did) encouraging you to enter the Word you so love.

I am not important and never will be...but I love the Lord Jesus Christ and Yahweh Elohim with all my heart, mind and body though fail them daily.

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I am more interested in what you have to offer throughout scripture not relating to the trinity. Like the sandal thing. That was awesome and I am waiting for more to come from you. Thanks insight

I perceive you need to understand the Lord's body and his sacrifice and what was truly accomplished; now I can speak to you about all manner of Spiritual types, antitypes, echoes and gems that you fill your mind – it is enough for now to better understand the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for herein is your life.

Though, like many Christians you are yet to acknowledge a need to discern the Lord's body...for why would you bother – he's God right?

13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in
Matt 23:12-13 (NKJV)

They did not enter the spirit of God Jesus and of coarse rejected the door that was before them.

What come's first the chicken or the egg.The Bible is a recorded account of peoples experiences with God written for us to give us a way based on truth that leads us to eternal life.

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 07:19:19
13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in
Matt 23:12-13 (NKJV)

They did not enter the spirit of God Jesus and of coarse rejected the door that was before them.

What come's first the chicken or the egg.The Bible is a recorded account of peoples experiences with God written for us to give us a way based on truth that leads us to eternal life.

True...

And that same God arranged a sacrifice 1000's of years ago, which would remove (in symbol) the uncleanness from death, blood and leprosy.

But do you desire to know and understand that sacrifice, or the many lessons written there for your learning, what can I do?

There are 18 people reading this little study about Jesus being unclean due to death and blood; I wonder if any of them understand the principles hidden there?

They bring you closer to him in a very real and meaningful way.

Insight

.but I love the Lord Jesus Christ and Yahweh Elohim with all my heart, mind and body though fail them daily.


Yeah insight I get that and signing out.Peace be with you

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 07:26:57
.but I love the Lord Jesus Christ and Yahweh Elohim with all my heart, mind and body though fail them daily.


Yeah insight I get that and signing out.Peace be with you

Yes peace.

If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Quote from: Insight on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:47:02
1. Leprosy

2. Issues - discharges from the body - i.e. an haemorrhage or running sore - related basically to the reproductive organs,

3. Contact with a dead body.

Would anyone like to inform Bemark precisely which sacrifice was offered to cleanse the defiled person(s)? And how did this sacrifice relates to the Lord Jesus Christ?

Friendly advice... It is fine to try to lead someone towards discovering an answer on their own, but if they are not willing to go looking, it is better to give the answer than to leave things in limbo.  Sometimes people don't have the time or inclination to go searching.

Oh, and I believe the sacrifice you're referring to is the Red Heifer.  I will leave it to you to explain the significance.

Jarrod

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 11:36:04

Quote from: Insight on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:47:02
1. Leprosy

2. Issues - discharges from the body - i.e. an haemorrhage or running sore - related basically to the reproductive organs,

3. Contact with a dead body.

Would anyone like to inform Bemark precisely which sacrifice was offered to cleanse the defiled person(s)? And how did this sacrifice relates to the Lord Jesus Christ?

Friendly advice... It is fine to try to lead someone towards discovering an answer on their own, but if they are not willing to go looking, it is better to give the answer than to leave things in limbo.  Sometimes people don't have the time or inclination to go searching.

Oh, and I believe the sacrifice you're referring to is the Red Heifer.  I will leave it to you to explain the significance.

Jarrod

Correct.

Jarrod, your wisdom in these matters is an example for other less discipline disciples: :smile::

Anyone who enquires of the Red Heifer sacrifice will not find Jesus to be God but quite the opposite.

Until I return from holidays we shall leave it there.

Insight

I wonder if Bemark will return  and will he enjoy the spiritual lessons found within the Red Heifer?

Insight

Quote from: Thorwald on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 12:18:04
When we look at Rev chpt 4 & 5, we have a problem with our current understanding of the Trinity. The Christian ministry believes that it is 'The Father' sitting on the throne. Let us look at other scriptures;

1) The Son created all things, and it pleased The Father to let The Son do so.

2) The Son must reconcile His kingdom, before submitting Himself and His kingdom, unto The Father, so that God can be 'all-in-all'.

3) The Father (the INVISIBLE GOD) dwells in the light, that no man can enter. No man has seen The Father 'AT ANY TIME'.

4) Man has seen Christ sitting on the right hand of God.

5) Isaiah 44:6 identifies who OUR GOD, is.

6) Ephesians 4:6 and Rev 1:6 use the conjunction "AND" (it does not use the wording, "WHO IS...").

7) The Son was begotten before the world was (without mother). The Son as Christ, has a mother (As Son of Man, He is our 'brother').

8) Jesus stated, that He was looking forward to returning to the glory that He had, before the world was (The Lord God Almighty....the creator).

9) Revelation is the process of 'reconciliation by The Word', who is 'The Son'.

10) Christ states, "My Father and I are one."

Taking in to account the above, is it not true, that there is a difference between The Son as 'The Lord God Almighty' and The Son, as 'The Lamb' (the resurrected Son of Man)? Have we 'discarded' the Son, as The Lord God Almighty, and now believe, that The Son is 'locked in' as The Lamb, only?

I believe that The Lord's Prayer, Isaiah 44:6, and Rev chpt 4 and 5, refer to THE SON. This would mean, that there are 'four figures', and not 'three'.

Your thoughts, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

In all these things you haven't exactly stated exactly how the Bible contradicts the Doctrine of the Trinity and who exactly is the fourth person in your quad-unity? And where exactly did you get the idea that the Son created all things.

(Is our understanding of the Trinity, correct?)

...........  , mine is, but I can't speak for others..................

Quote from: Thorwald on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 12:18:04
When we look at Rev chpt 4 & 5, we have a problem with our current understanding of the Trinity. The Christian ministry believes that it is 'The Father' sitting on the throne. Let us look at other scriptures;

1) The Son created all things, and it pleased The Father to let The Son do so.

2) The Son must reconcile His kingdom, before submitting Himself and His kingdom, unto The Father, so that God can be 'all-in-all'.

3) The Father (the INVISIBLE GOD) dwells in the light, that no man can enter. No man has seen The Father 'AT ANY TIME'.

4) Man has seen Christ sitting on the right hand of God.

5) Isaiah 44:6 identifies who OUR GOD, is.

6) Ephesians 4:6 and Rev 1:6 use the conjunction "AND" (it does not use the wording, "WHO IS...").

7) The Son was begotten before the world was (without mother). The Son as Christ, has a mother (As Son of Man, He is our 'brother').

8) Jesus stated, that He was looking forward to returning to the glory that He had, before the world was (The Lord God Almighty....the creator).

9) Revelation is the process of 'reconciliation by The Word', who is 'The Son'.

10) Christ states, "My Father and I are one."

Taking in to account the above, is it not true, that there is a difference between The Son as 'The Lord God Almighty' and The Son, as 'The Lamb' (the resurrected Son of Man)? Have we 'discarded' the Son, as The Lord God Almighty, and now believe, that The Son is 'locked in' as The Lamb, only?

I believe that The Lord's Prayer, Isaiah 44:6, and Rev chpt 4 and 5, refer to THE SON. This would mean, that there are 'four figures', and not 'three'.

Your thoughts, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

I am a son of God just as Jesus was son of God, same Father, same Spirit  in us, same mind, same Christ, same everything.  God came to Jesus by His Spirit and opened all of heaven to him, see Matt 3:16, and the same happened to Paul on the road to Damascus, and 120 in an upper room, and in Moses, and in Adam where he became like God Gen 3:22, and the same happens in us all who receive from God the same thing, even me.  And all who do sit with Him in His throne, Rev 3:21.

Trinity?   God is a Spirit, and  He resides in His son, and His word is living in His son. And I am His son. Behold the kingdom of God is within you just as Jesus said it is in Luke 17:21.

Gary

Quote from: Insight on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:42:42

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:27:44
41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." 42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?"
John 6:41-42 (NKJV)

I think most will be seeing scripture after scripture posted to back up Who Jesus is. God in flesh

If that is what you see before you look...what do you expect to see?

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And you never did answer the Question about your personal relationship that you have with the Holy Spirit.Give me something to hang onto here.

Who is the presence of God to you. Don't give me scripture Insight just tell me your relationship to his word and spirit.

I visualised you saying this to Jesus Christ – "Look Lord, I do really want to understand your relationship with the Father but do you mind putting it into your own words, you know leave out the Scripture

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 07:19:19
13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in
Matt 23:12-13 (NKJV)

They did not enter the spirit of God Jesus and of coarse rejected the door that was before them.

What come's first the chicken or the egg.The Bible is a recorded account of peoples experiences with God written for us to give us a way based on truth that leads us to eternal life.

Few who enter in and are as Jesus was.

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 00:09:31

Quote from: Insight on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 16:20:32

Quote from: bemark on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 12:53:32

Jesus wasn't made in a Image of any created thing.

But when the right time came, God sent his Son, born of a woman, subject to the law.

Whose image was he born in?

I believe his title is the Son of Man....

Insight i was talking about before any created thing was made in heaven or earth,  Jesus always was. He was flesh born through Mary by the impartation of the Holy spirit by the perfect will or government of God.The overseer.

Christ always was, Jesus didnt come along for a long time after and stayed only a short 33 years. it is Christ who was from the beginning and had His being in Adam, Adam was the first to become like God, Gen 3:22, not Jesus. Christ simply means to be anointed of God. Adam was first and all are who are anointed of Gods SPirit, who is Christ in you.

Gary

Quote from: bemark on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:14:26
So Jesus demonstrated the Kingdom of God over the Kingdom of darkness.Its about spiritual authority the Good news.

Healing the sick casting out devils etc etc

He is and always was above the laws or should i say the legal right of Satan as prince of the air.

Light invades darkness not the other way round.You cannot see the spirit for the flesh

And all who have in them that what Jesus had in him do the same things Jesus did. These same signs follow those who believe.

Gary

There is one Father God, One Word of God, One Spirit of God and all three are exactly the same because the Father is exactly as His Word who became flesh in Jesus the Christ and is Spirit.
KJV

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV

The Father uses His Word (Jesus) to create all things. For he is the Stone, Law, Word, Rock, Rod of the Shepherd to keep the sheep in line for their own good.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV
God spoke His Word and said "Let there be Light" and the Word being the Right hand of God, for God is Spirit created what the Father spoke.
Jesus is as much the Father as every man's word reveals and is equal to the man who adheres to them. He has a GOOD NAME

Here is Jesus(the Word in the old testament) Read very carefully so that you don't miss keys words.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

Now have you ever seen WORDS come to you in a VISION? This is the Word of God who was manifested in the flesh to us. Jesus! Notice it says that the WORD OF THE LORD CAME, not the LORD, but the Word, in the beginning was the Word......
Now notice in verse 2 the spelling. It is not LORD, but Lord GOD. Abram is talking to Jesus the Word of God.

2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
KJV
Here are a few more examples of the Word coming to man in the OT:
1 Sam 15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
KJV

1 Kings 6:11 And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying,
KJV

Here is the Spirit of the LORD in the OT:
Judg 3:10 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rishathaim.
KJV

Judg 15:14 And when he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted against him: and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and the cords that were upon his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands loosed from off his hands.
KJV

2 Sam 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
KJV

Quote from: Thorwald on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 12:18:04
When we look at Rev chpt 4 & 5, we have a problem with our current understanding of the Trinity. The Christian ministry believes that it is 'The Father' sitting on the throne. Let us look at other scriptures;

1) The Son created all things, and it pleased The Father to let The Son do so.

2) The Son must reconcile His kingdom, before submitting Himself and His kingdom, unto The Father, so that God can be 'all-in-all'.

3) The Father (the INVISIBLE GOD) dwells in the light, that no man can enter. No man has seen The Father 'AT ANY TIME'.

4) Man has seen Christ sitting on the right hand of God.

5) Isaiah 44:6 identifies who OUR GOD, is.

6) Ephesians 4:6 and Rev 1:6 use the conjunction "AND" (it does not use the wording, "WHO IS...").

7) The Son was begotten before the world was (without mother). The Son as Christ, has a mother (As Son of Man, He is our 'brother').

8) Jesus stated, that He was looking forward to returning to the glory that He had, before the world was (The Lord God Almighty....the creator).

9) Revelation is the process of 'reconciliation by The Word', who is 'The Son'.

10) Christ states, "My Father and I are one."

Taking in to account the above, is it not true, that there is a difference between The Son as 'The Lord God Almighty' and The Son, as 'The Lamb' (the resurrected Son of Man)? Have we 'discarded' the Son, as The Lord God Almighty, and now believe, that The Son is 'locked in' as The Lamb, only?

I believe that The Lord's Prayer, Isaiah 44:6, and Rev chpt 4 and 5, refer to THE SON. This would mean, that there are 'four figures', and not 'three'.

Your thoughts, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahsbW_n6vPM    

Jesus Christ is the Father. John 14:9 "He that hath seen Me  hath seen the Father."

There is a trinity in all humans call the soul,body and spirit. In Jesus Christ  the Soul, Body and Spirit is the Father,Son and Holy Spirit in Him. The Lord's Trinity is Divine Human. Our trinity is plain human. Many Christians do not want to believe this. They believe that God is in three persons, like god in tom,dick and harry. Three guys being a god. This a sin against the first Commandment. Jehovah God said you will not worship other gods. There none beside Me.

Quote from: SpiritualSon on Fri May 25, 2012 - 09:55:32

Jesus Christ is the Father.

Modalism, plain and simple.

 

The angel speaking to Mary did not mention an eternal son, but mention that a Son will be born in this world, and He shall be the Sod of God.

Harry

A trinity is the soul,body and spirit in a person. God is one Divine Person, because He has a Trinity in Him like us. The Soul of Jesus Christ is from the Father, not the mother. The Father is the Soul in Jesus. The Lord is also the Holy Spirit, because He is the Holy Word. The Word is Divine Truth. The Spirit of God is the Holy Word.

Harry

May I Help you All?

Michael A

Quote from: p.rehbein on Sat Jan 14, 2012 - 11:12:36
(Is our understanding of the Trinity, correct?)

...........  , mine is, but I can't speak for others..................

From the trinity in every man, then, who can fail to perceive the trinity in the Lord? In every person there is soul, body, and operation; so also in the Lord Jesus Christ , "for in the Lord dwells all the fullness of Divinity bodily," according to Paul (Col. 2:9); therefore in the Lord the trinity is Divine, but in us it is human. In this mystical notion that there are three Divine persons and yet one God, and that this God, although one, is nevertheless not one person.  Everyone can see that reason has no part, but has been lulled to sleep, and still it compels the mouth to speak like a parrot. When reason is put to sleep what is speech from the mouth but non-sense? When the mouth speaks that which reason turns away from and dissents from, is not speech foolish? At this day human reason in respect to the Divine trinity, is bound like a man in prison, manacled and fettered. In the minds of men of the church the Divine trinity should shine like a lamp, since One God in His trinity and in the unity there is the All in all the sanctities of heaven and the church.

Harry

Here is the way I see the trinity of the Christian church. I see a god who has one body with three heads on it.A three headed god. One head is the father, the second head is the son, and third heard the holy spirit. This is the only way your three Divine persons can be one god. Do you really believe the anges are bowing down to a thing like that. How come we have one head, and your god has three. Are we not in the image and likeness of god?

Harry

Quote from: SpiritualSon on Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 19:38:51
Here is the why I see the trinity of the Christian church. I see a god who has one body with three heads on it.A three headed god. One head is the father, the second head is the son, and third heard the holy spirit. This is the only way your three Divine persons can be one god. Do you really believe the anges are bowing down to a thing like that. How come we have one head, and your god has three. Are we not in the image and likeness of god?

So-o-o....what church are you a member of, if not the Christian Church?

God is three persons in one.

Quote from: SpiritualSon on Fri May 25, 2012 - 09:55:32
Jesus Christ is the Father. John 14:9 "He that hath seen Me  hath seen the Father."

You do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the Power of God.
Please allow me to re-mind you...

2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

He (Christ Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 1:14-16

Jesus Christ is THE IMAGE of God the Father, not the Father Himself.

Now if you will, please LISTEN to what the Word of God tells us about His Father:

In the Apostles Prayer:
OUR FATHER, who art in heaven, Holy Holy Holy is Your Name, Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.  Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver  us from the evil one, for THINE IS THE KINGDOM, forever and ever.

In Jesus Passionate prayer to our Father:
"..."Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 20:22:49

Quote from: SpiritualSon on Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 19:38:51
Here is the why I see the trinity of the Christian church. I see a god who has one body with three heads on it.A three headed god. One head is the father, the second head is the son, and third heard the holy spirit. This is the only way your three Divine persons can be one god. Do you really believe the anges are bowing down to a thing like that. How come we have one head, and your god has three. Are we not in the image and likeness of god?

So-o-o....what church are you a member of, if not the Christian Church?

God is three persons in one.

I am a Christian who worships and prays to one God, Jesus Christ. He is the Father,Son and Holy Spirit.

Harry

Quote from: RobWLarson on Mon Nov 07, 2011 - 15:36:06
Mr. Insight sir. I will now deal with your biggest heresy yet. I must warn you however, that I will be using the Authorized Version of the English Bible to prove my claim that Jesus is indeed God in the flesh and nothing less. Now let us not forget sir, that scripture is not left up for our own private interpretation. It says what it says. And God is not the author of confusion. Okay then lets get going shall we.

I shall start by proving the Godhood of Jesus.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1st Timothy 3:15.

You spoke of things that need to be revealed. Well the great mystery is here revealed. Who was manifest in the flesh? Simple question I should think. And let's not forget there is no debating the issue. Paul said without controversy...So again I ask who was manifest in the flesh?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.... He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not." John 1:1, 10-11

Again who is the Word in this passage? So he was in the beginning, he was with God, and what else was he? He came into the world, and according to this passage who made the world?

"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Revelation 1:7-8

So again when did God die? We know that God was the only one who was in the beginning. "In the beginning God(Elohim, this is a plural)created the heaven and the earth." Genesis 1:1.

So who is Jesus? If he is not God then these scriptures lie. If these scriptures lie then you make God a liar. Is god a liar mr. Insight?

And the Word was with God. With God means in God. The Word means Divine Truth, and the Lord is Divine Truth. It was Jehovah the Father who descended as the Word (Divine Truth) at the same He came as Divine Love. It is written in John that all creation was made by Him,and with out Him was nothing made that was made. A second person was never sent as the Word.  Jehovah said in Isaiah, His glory He will not give to another. So how can there be a Son of God at the time of creation?

Harry

These three, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are  three essentials of the one God, They make one as soul, body, and operation make one in Jesus Christ. In anyone thing there are both general and particular essentials, and these together make one essence. The general essentials of a person  is their soul, body, and operation. That these constitute one essence,which  can be seen from this-that one is from the other and for the sake of the other in an unbroken series. A person  gets their beginning from the soul, which is the very essence of the semen; and the soul not only initiates, but also produces in their order all things that pertain to the body, and afterward all things that proceed from the soul and body together, which are called operations. From this production, therefore, of one from the other, and the consequent ingrafting and conjunction, it can be seen that these three are of one essence, and therefore they are called three essentials.

Harry

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sat Dec 17, 2011 - 04:00:49

Quote from: Stosh on Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 12:46:33
For as quoted in your post,
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

You seem to have misquoted the verse.  It actually says "and the Word WAS God."  Not "with God."  You've changed the whole meaning by adding a word that isn't there.

Jarrod

With God means in God. Good is in truth, and truth is in good. God is good and truth.
Swedenborg " True Christian Religion 85"
Jehovah God descended as Divine Truth, which is the Word, although He did not separate from it the Divine Good. There are two things that constitute the essence of God, the Divine Love and the Divine Wisdom, or what is the same, Divine Good and Divine Truth. That these two are the essence of God has been shown above. Moreoer these two are what are meant in the Word by the name "Jehovah God," "Jehovah" meaning the Divine Love or Divine Good, and "God" the Divine Wisdom or Divine Truth; and for this reason these two names are distinguished in the Word in various ways; sometimes the name "Jehovah" alone is used, and sometimes the name "God" alone-the name "Jehovah" when the Divine good is treated of, and the name "God" when the Divine truth is treated of; and the name "Jehovah God" when both are treated of. That Jehovah God descended as the Divine truth, which is the Word, is shown in John as follows: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among, us (John 1:1, 3, 14). By "the Word" here the Divine truth is meant; because the Word, which is in the church, is Divine Truth itself, for it was dictated by Jehovah Himself; and what is dictated by Jehovah is nothing but Divine truth, and can be nothing else.

[2] But inasmuch as the Divine truth passed down through the heavens even to the world, it became adapted to angels in heaven and also to men in the world. For this reason there is in the Word a spiritual sense in which the Divine truth is seen in clear light, and a natural sense in which it is seen obscurely. Thus it is the Divine truth in our Word that is here meant in John. This is made still clearer by the fact that the Lord came into the world to fulfill all things of the Word; and this is why it is so often said that this or that was done to Him "that the Scripture might be fulfilled." Nor is anything but the Divine truth meant by "the Messiah" or "the Christ," or "the Son of man," or "the Holy Spirit the Comforter," which the Lord sent after His departure. In the chapter on the Sacred Scripture it will be shown that in His transfiguration before the three disciples on the mount (Matt. 17; Mark 9; Luke 9), and also before John in the Apocalypse (1:12-16), the Lord represented Himself as that Word.

[3] That the Lord in the world was the Divine Truth is evident from His own words: I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6); also from these words: We know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know the True; and we are in the True, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life (1 John 5:20); and still further by His being called "the Light," as in the following passages: There was the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world (John 1:4, 9). Jesus said, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, that darkness overtake you not. While ye have the light believe in the light, that ye may be sons of light (John 12:35, 36, 46). I am the light of the world (John 9:5). Simeon said, For mine eyes have seen Thy salvation, a light for revelation to the Gentiles (Luke 2:30-32). And this is the judgment, that light is come into the world; he that doeth the truth cometh to the light (John 3:19, 21); besides other places. "Light" means the Divine Truth.