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BTW........ There are some of us here who happen to know that Malach 4 only has a half dozen verses. (I loved the shot, though. )

Quote from: Willie T on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:29:35
BTW........ There are some of us here who happen to know that Malach 4 only has a half dozen verses. (I loved the shot, though. )

In Hebrew texts 4:1-6 is numbered 3:19-24.  Not so funny anymore, is it?

I just want to ask a question, not sure if it's biblical or not but I've seen and experienced this.

Is it possible that when someone we know dies, they also transfer information about us to God? And we get either something good or bad happen to us?

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:34:49

Quote from: Willie T on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:29:35
BTW........ There are some of us here who happen to know that Malach 4 only has a half dozen verses. (I loved the shot, though. )

In Hebrew texts 4:1-6 is numbered 3:19-24.  Not so funny anymore, is it?

Twice as funny.... Chapter 3?

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 17:57:13
But, when we don't the punishment comes.

That is the reason bad things happen to good people.

Jesus was the BEST person...and really bad things happened to Him.  Was He outside of God's will? Is that why He was cruelly treated, mocked, spit upon, beard ripped from His face, beaten, a crown of thorns dug into His head, nailed to and hung on the cross?

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 17:57:13
God keeps a list of all our sins and blessings for the next time around...Malach 4:16-18

Its Malachi 3:16-18
16 Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name. 17 "They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

...and it doesn't say anything for the next time around, Funguy.  We are appointed to die once.  To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Quote from: Willie T on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:40:44

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:34:49

Quote from: Willie T on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:29:35
BTW........ There are some of us here who happen to know that Malach 4 only has a half dozen verses. (I loved the shot, though. )

In Hebrew texts 4:1-6 is numbered 3:19-24.  Not so funny anymore, is it?

Twice as funny.... Chapter 3?

Can you see it now?

In Hebrew texts 4:1-6 is numbered 3:19-24.

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:42:53

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 17:57:13
But, when we don't the punishment comes.

That is the reason bad things happen to good people.

Jesus was the BEST person...and really bad things happened to Him.  Was He outside of God's will? Is that why He was cruelly treated, mocked, spit upon, beard ripped from His face, beaten, a crown of thorns dug into His head, nailed to and hung on the cross?

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 17:57:13
God keeps a list of all our sins and blessings for the next time around...Malach 4:16-18

Its Malachi 3:16-18
16 Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name. 17 "They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

...and it doesn't say anything for the next time around, Funguy.  We are appointed to die once.  To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Jesus was the only one ever appointed to die. Adam and Eve were not appointed to die. They died because of sin.

When Jesus went to the cross with our sins, He was out of the will of God. That is why, God turned Hs back.

Malachi is talking about punishment, next time around.  Some are given a worse life because of their bad karma. We are never without some good qualities.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:39:51
I just want to ask a question, not sure if it's biblical or not but I've seen and experienced this.

Is it possible that when someone we know dies, they also transfer information about us to God? And we get either something good or bad happen to us?

God doesn't need a spy. He knows the number of the hairs on our head.

We are now in the Kingdom of God. Revelation 22:15 says we will always have sin. So Hell is here on earth for punishment.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
Jesus was the only one ever appointed to die.

Hebrews 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
2 Corinthians 5:8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
When Jesus went to the cross with our sins, He was out of the will of God. That is why, God turned Hs back.

Where is scripture to back this up? THIS is what scripture says
Luke 22: 41-45
41 He (Jesus) withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." 43An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.c
45When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
Malachi is talking about punishment, next time around.  Some are given a worse life because of their bad karma. We are never without some good qualities.

karma, reincarnation and Christianity do not mix.  You can't dabble.
There is no next time around.  Psalm 39:4 Show me, O LORD, my life's end and the number of my days; let me know how fleeting is my life.

You read from a Hebrew Bible?  I didn't know that.  I know Funnyguy33 doesn't... seems he has trouble with just English.

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:41:11

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
Jesus was the only one ever appointed to die.

Hebrews 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
2 Corinthians 5:8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
When Jesus went to the cross with our sins, He was out of the will of God. That is why, God turned Hs back.

Where is scripture to back this up? THIS is what scripture says
Luke 22: 41-45
41 He (Jesus) withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." 43An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.c
45When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
Malachi is talking about punishment, next time around.  Some are given a worse life because of their bad karma. We are never without some good qualities.

karma, reincarnation and Christianity do not mix.  You can't dabble.
There is no next time around.  Psalm 39:4 Show me, O LORD, my life's end and the number of my days; let me know how fleeting is my life.

You would need white-out for what Jesus said in Exodus 34:7 ...we pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings follow 1000.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-of-Malachi.html

Purpose of Writing: The Book of Malachi is an oracle: The word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi (1:1). This was God's warning through Malachi to tell the people to turn back to God. As the final book of the Old Testament closes, the pronouncement of God's justice and the promise of His restoration through the coming Messiah is ringing in the ears of the Israelites. Four hundred years of silence ensues, ending with a similar message from God's next prophet, John the Baptist, proclaiming, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near" (Matthew 3:2).

Brief Summary: Malachi wrote the words of the Lord to God's chosen people who had gone astray, especially the priests who had turned from the Lord. Priests were not treating the sacrifices they were to make to God seriously. Animals with blemishes were being sacrificed even though the law demanded animals without defect (Deuteronomy 15:21). The men of Judah were dealing with the wives of their youth treacherously and wondering why God would not accept their sacrifices. Also, people were not tithing as they should have been (Leviticus 27:30, 32). But in spite of the people's sin and turning away from God, Malachi reiterates God's love for His people (Malachi 1:1-5) and His promises of a coming Messenger (Malachi 2:17–3:5).

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:30:27

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:39:51
I just want to ask a question, not sure if it's biblical or not but I've seen and experienced this.

Is it possible that when someone we know dies, they also transfer information about us to God? And we get either something good or bad happen to us?

God doesn't need a spy. He knows the number of the hairs on our head.

I received a really big blessing after my grandmother died and I saw other people that treated her wrong lose a lot and go downhill. She told on everyone in my family and we got instant action from God.

QuoteWe are now in the Kingdom of God. Revelation 22:15 says we will always have sin. So Hell is here on earth for punishment.

I know that, I've been here for 7 or so years already. That's why I have nothing to do with the world, just the new world wide web, it's my only social contact with people other than my family. And my husband already told me when I asked him, one of the first questions I asked him when we got married was what happens after we die and he said we come back through our blood/DNA. It's not like the reincarnation typically taught in some religions with karma, we are still the same people coming through the same families with slight mutations from the environment. He also told me our souls can't be destroyed when we are in the kingdom so there is no more death for us. If I tell you more people are going to get mad but we do also control a lot of things from here too with Christ. That's why I don't vote, I already know what's going to happen or maybe we just get everything we ask for. Either way, we don't have to lift a finger, just say stuff and it happens.

He even told me how we are going to meet again in 200 years.

Quote from: Funguy33But, when we don't the punishment comes.

That is the reason bad things happen to good people.

God keeps a list of all our sins and blessings for the next time around...Malach 4:16-18

That is a complete fabrication. There is no such bible reference. There is no "next time around"! Anyone who believes that has been fouled up by a demonic influence.

Bad things happen to everyone---good and bad people---because we live in a fallen world that is Satan's principality.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:39:51
I just want to ask a question, not sure if it's biblical or not but I've seen and experienced this.

Is it possible that when someone we know dies, they also transfer information about us to God? And we get either something good or bad happen to us?

No. What kind of information would any human being have that God doesn't already know better?

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:02:34

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:41:11

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
Jesus was the only one ever appointed to die.

Hebrews 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
2 Corinthians 5:8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
When Jesus went to the cross with our sins, He was out of the will of God. That is why, God turned Hs back.

Where is scripture to back this up? THIS is what scripture says
Luke 22: 41-45
41 He (Jesus) withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." 43An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.c
45When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53
Malachi is talking about punishment, next time around.  Some are given a worse life because of their bad karma. We are never without some good qualities.

karma, reincarnation and Christianity do not mix.  You can't dabble.
There is no next time around.  Psalm 39:4 Show me, O LORD, my life's end and the number of my days; let me know how fleeting is my life.

You would need white-out for what Jesus said in Exodus 34:7 ...we pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings follow 1000.

and God will forgive if people confess and repent, as I have shown you twice now.

Generations are not next lives...

here is the definition

"gen·er·a·tion [jen-uh-rey-shuhn]

noun
1. the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time: the postwar generation.

2. the term of years, roughly 30 among human beings, accepted as the average period between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring.

3. a group of individuals, most of whom are the same approximate age, having similar ideas, problems, attitudes, etc. Compare Beat Generation, Lost Generation.

4. a group of individuals belonging to a specific category at the same time: Chaplin belonged to the generation of silent-screen stars.

5. a single step in natural descent, as of human beings, animals, or plants." 

You sure seem to get a icky charge from others being punished.  Wonder what waits for you? 

Punishment for sins in our "past lives".
Karma
Reincarnation
Jesus operating outside of the will of God.




This is why this thread was moved to the Non-Traditional Theology forum.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:26:53

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:42:53

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 17:57:13
But, when we don't the punishment comes.

That is the reason bad things happen to good people.

Jesus was the BEST person...and really bad things happened to Him.  Was He outside of God's will? Is that why He was cruelly treated, mocked, spit upon, beard ripped from His face, beaten, a crown of thorns dug into His head, nailed to and hung on the cross?

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 17:57:13
God keeps a list of all our sins and blessings for the next time around...Malach 4:16-18

Its Malachi 3:16-18
16 Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name. 17 "They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

...and it doesn't say anything for the next time around, Funguy.  We are appointed to die once.  To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Jesus was the only one ever appointed to die. Adam and Eve were not appointed to die. They died because of sin.

You are appointed to die, just as the bible tells you.

QuoteWhen Jesus went to the cross with our sins, He was out of the will of God. That is why, God turned Hs back.

Where did you get that gem? It is a lie of Satan, and it is even worse to believe it and it is a sin to then repeat it.

QuoteMalachi is talking about punishment, next time around.  Some are given a worse life because of their bad karma. We are never without some good qualities.

Karma? That word has no place in the mouth of one who puts his faith in Jesus Christ! There is no next time around. Cast aside paganism and come fully into a walk with Jesus Christ as your Saviour and your Lord.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There are no coincidences in our lives.

Everything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:17:36

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:30:27

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:39:51
I just want to ask a question, not sure if it's biblical or not but I've seen and experienced this.

Is it possible that when someone we know dies, they also transfer information about us to God? And we get either something good or bad happen to us?

God doesn't need a spy. He knows the number of the hairs on our head.

I received a really big blessing after my grandmother died and I saw other people that treated her wrong lose a lot and go downhill. She told on everyone in my family and we got instant action from God.

Like many lies the devil instills in people's minds, he is only too happy to oblige with works that will cause the false belief to set anchor in that person's heart. Your grandmother made no report to God. god is not in the punishing mode at the moment---He is in the mercy mode because of what His Son has done at Calvary and because of the fact that He is building His Church.

QuoteI know that, I've been here for 7 or so years already. That's why I have nothing to do with the world, just the new world wide web, it's my only social contact with people other than my family. And my husband already told me when I asked him, one of the first questions I asked him when we got married was what happens after we die and he said we come back through our blood/DNA. It's not like the reincarnation typically taught in some religions with karma, we are still the same people coming through the same families with slight mutations from the environment. He also told me our souls can't be destroyed when we are in the kingdom so there is no more death for us. If I tell you more people are going to get mad but we do also control a lot of things from here too with Christ. That's why I don't vote, I already know what's going to happen or maybe we just get everything we ask for. Either way, we don't have to lift a finger, just say stuff and it happens.

He even told me how we are going to meet again in 200 years.

That is also a false belief. Get into the word of God and learn what He says, not your husband, who knows nothing about Him.

Hell is not here. It is a place created for eternal punishment of Satan and his angels, and for people who reject Jesus. It is a totally separate place from Earth, seeing as the New Earth is going to be our home base forever.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

Quote from: larry2 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 00:54:26

Quote from: Funguy33 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 - 20:25:20

Quote from: chosenone on Sun Aug 05, 2012 - 20:20:45
Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

Ecclesiastes 9:2-3 "All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath. 3  This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead." The righteous and the wicked all die.

Then it depends on the faith of the believer as to whether a thing is bad or good? All things work together for good to them which love the Lord. Was all that occurred in Job's life for his good? Yes.

There is another thing to be considered and that is the judgment going on in the believer's life as to our walk with Christ. Judgment begins at the house of God, and Jesus is presently walking among the candlesticks.

1 Corinthians 11:32  But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. We are God's work in progress, He is doing a mighty work in us, and He ain't finished with me yet. Well, what is God then doing for the sinner? He gave them Jesus, and He sent the Holy Spirit to reprove them of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment; their condemnation is yet future. 
 
Ecclesiastes 7:15 "All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness." Read the Eleventh Chapter of Hebrews as the worthies of faith are cut off, with seemingly little done to them they preached to. Now with Solomon, he is referring to those things of the world, or under the sun. Praise God we have a hope laid up for us in Christ, and we can rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory.

+1 on the bold. We gain spiritual growth and maturity during similar times.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:35:36

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:17:36

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:30:27

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:39:51
I just want to ask a question, not sure if it's biblical or not but I've seen and experienced this.

Is it possible that when someone we know dies, they also transfer information about us to God? And we get either something good or bad happen to us?

God doesn't need a spy. He knows the number of the hairs on our head.

I received a really big blessing after my grandmother died and I saw other people that treated her wrong lose a lot and go downhill. She told on everyone in my family and we got instant action from God.

Like many lies the devil instills in people's minds, he is only too happy to oblige with works that will cause the false belief to set anchor in that person's heart. Your grandmother made no report to God. god is not in the punishing mode at the moment---He is in the mercy mode because of what His Son has done at Calvary and because of the fact that He is building His Church.

QuoteI know that, I've been here for 7 or so years already. That's why I have nothing to do with the world, just the new world wide web, it's my only social contact with people other than my family. And my husband already told me when I asked him, one of the first questions I asked him when we got married was what happens after we die and he said we come back through our blood/DNA. It's not like the reincarnation typically taught in some religions with karma, we are still the same people coming through the same families with slight mutations from the environment. He also told me our souls can't be destroyed when we are in the kingdom so there is no more death for us. If I tell you more people are going to get mad but we do also control a lot of things from here too with Christ. That's why I don't vote, I already know what's going to happen or maybe we just get everything we ask for. Either way, we don't have to lift a finger, just say stuff and it happens.

He even told me how we are going to meet again in 200 years.

That is also a false belief. Get into the word of God and learn what He says, not your husband, who knows nothing about Him.

Hell is not here. It is a place created for eternal punishment of Satan and his angels, and for people who reject Jesus. It is a totally separate place from Earth, seeing as the New Earth is going to be our home base forever.

I agree with Lively, no one goes to Heaven. We are in the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth. Our bodies are the Temple of God.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:40:30

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

People born vegtables are not a coincidence.

As Jesus said about the wrath of God in Matthew 10:28, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:09:34

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:40:30

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

People born vegtables are not a coincidence.

No one I know has said it is.

QuoteAs Jesus said about the wrath of God in Matthew 10:28, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

So? Believers have no need to fear God's wrath.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:20:21

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:09:34

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:40:30

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

People born vegtables are not a coincidence.

No one I know has said it is.

QuoteAs Jesus said about the wrath of God in Matthew 10:28, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

So? Believers have no need to fear God's wrath.

John 5:14 says even believers need to fear the wrath of God.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 22:09:17

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:20:21

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:09:34

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:40:30

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

People born vegtables are not a coincidence.

No one I know has said it is.

QuoteAs Jesus said about the wrath of God in Matthew 10:28, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

So? Believers have no need to fear God's wrath.

John 5:14 says even believers need to fear the wrath of God.

SUCH silliness!  The consequences of a sinful life is likely to be what caused the injury of this man...and in order to avoid things getting worse for him, Christ tells him to forsake the sinful habit in order to stay healed and healthy.

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 22:31:16

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 22:09:17

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:20:21

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:09:34

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:40:30

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

People born vegtables are not a coincidence.

No one I know has said it is.

QuoteAs Jesus said about the wrath of God in Matthew 10:28, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

So? Believers have no need to fear God's wrath.

John 5:14 says even believers need to fear the wrath of God.

SUCH silliness!  The consequences of a sinful life is likely to be what caused the injury of this man...and in order to avoid things getting worse for him, Christ tells him to forsake the sinful habit in order to stay healed and healthy.

38 years with that illness and now he was an old man. Notice, Jesus didn't heal everyone there. No coincidences...

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 22:38:49

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 22:31:16

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 22:09:17

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:20:21

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:09:34

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:40:30

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

People born vegtables are not a coincidence.

No one I know has said it is.

QuoteAs Jesus said about the wrath of God in Matthew 10:28, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

So? Believers have no need to fear God's wrath.

John 5:14 says even believers need to fear the wrath of God.

SUCH silliness!  The consequences of a sinful life is likely to be what caused the injury of this man...and in order to avoid things getting worse for him, Christ tells him to forsake the sinful habit in order to stay healed and healthy.

38 years with that illness and now he was an old man. Notice, Jesus didn't heal everyone there. No coincidences...

So?

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 22:09:17

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:20:21

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:09:34

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:40:30

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:34:13

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:14:56

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 15:30:50

What law are we not to follow? We will be rewarded for all broken laws.

Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Life is like a garden. We reap what we sow. Solomon said: "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail" (Pr. 22:8).

Eliphaz stated a truism: "Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same" (Job 4:8).

There is the law of sowing and reaping. Consequences for wrongdoing is not God's punishment. We who are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean will still suffer certain consequences for some acts that we have done against God. He takes the sting out of it and turns things around for us, so that we become a blessing.

Are you saying that people born to horrible lives and others born to beautiful lives are just luck of the draw?

There is no such thing as luck. What do you consider a horrible life or a beautiful life? The only life I consider beautiful is the life of one who serves God with all he's got, no matter what the consequences.

QuoteThere are no coincidences in our lives.

That's right. Only 'God-incidences'.

QuoteEverything Jesus said was about the wrath (punishment) of God for sin.

That's a lie, also. I suggest you read the portions in red of a Red Letter edition of the bible.

People born vegtables are not a coincidence.

No one I know has said it is.

QuoteAs Jesus said about the wrath of God in Matthew 10:28, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

So? Believers have no need to fear God's wrath.

John 5:14 says even believers need to fear the wrath of God.

The righteous don't fear God's wrath. They are RIGHTEOUS! We have many great promises of God to embrace, which includes His many admonitions to not fear.

Just a few verses down from your seeming favourite is verse 24:

"I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life."

Nah---I don't fear my Father.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:02:42

I agree with Lively, no one goes to Heaven. We are in the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth. Our bodies are the Temple of God.

Isn't that what I said? I suppose I agree with her too. The Kingdom is already here.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:35:36
That is also a false belief. Get into the word of God and learn what He says, not your husband, who knows nothing about Him.

The bible tells me to ask my husband if I have any questions. You have no right to tell me not to do what the bible say's.

QuoteHell is not here. It is a place created for eternal punishment of Satan and his angels, and for people who reject Jesus. It is a totally separate place from Earth, seeing as the New Earth is going to be our home base forever.

I wasn't talking about hell. I don't know where it is because I've never been there.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 21:02:42

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:35:36

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:17:36

Quote from: Funguy33 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 19:30:27

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 18:39:51
I just want to ask a question, not sure if it's biblical or not but I've seen and experienced this.

Is it possible that when someone we know dies, they also transfer information about us to God? And we get either something good or bad happen to us?

God doesn't need a spy. He knows the number of the hairs on our head.

I received a really big blessing after my grandmother died and I saw other people that treated her wrong lose a lot and go downhill. She told on everyone in my family and we got instant action from God.

Like many lies the devil instills in people's minds, he is only too happy to oblige with works that will cause the false belief to set anchor in that person's heart. Your grandmother made no report to God. god is not in the punishing mode at the moment---He is in the mercy mode because of what His Son has done at Calvary and because of the fact that He is building His Church.

QuoteI know that, I've been here for 7 or so years already. That's why I have nothing to do with the world, just the new world wide web, it's my only social contact with people other than my family. And my husband already told me when I asked him, one of the first questions I asked him when we got married was what happens after we die and he said we come back through our blood/DNA. It's not like the reincarnation typically taught in some religions with karma, we are still the same people coming through the same families with slight mutations from the environment. He also told me our souls can't be destroyed when we are in the kingdom so there is no more death for us. If I tell you more people are going to get mad but we do also control a lot of things from here too with Christ. That's why I don't vote, I already know what's going to happen or maybe we just get everything we ask for. Either way, we don't have to lift a finger, just say stuff and it happens.

He even told me how we are going to meet again in 200 years.

That is also a false belief. Get into the word of God and learn what He says, not your husband, who knows nothing about Him.

Hell is not here. It is a place created for eternal punishment of Satan and his angels, and for people who reject Jesus. It is a totally separate place from Earth, seeing as the New Earth is going to be our home base forever.

I agree with Lively, no one goes to Heaven. We are in the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth. Our bodies are the Temple of God.

Hold on! We aren't there yet.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 06:36:59

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:35:36
That is also a false belief. Get into the word of God and learn what He says, not your husband, who knows nothing about Him.

The bible tells me to ask my husband if I have any questions. You have no right to tell me not to do what the bible say's.

The bible does not tell you that.

There is an instruction for Christian women to consult their Christian husbands on scriptural matters because at that time it was only men who had the knowledge of the Torah.