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Quote from: Red Baker on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:59:20

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:40:15

Quote from: Red Baker on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:11:37
I will debate four or five points with you and they are these: Is pastor an office of the church, or, a work that a bishop does.

Rebuttal reply  4

Please establish how this has any bearing on the will of God for women.

Nothing~but if you desire to debate, and since you call yourself preacherofTruth I thought you would like to show me your truth that you have.  Nothing more.  Come after the men and leave the women alone.

Rebuttal Reply 10

Are you free to debate me? If so then exercise your freedom.

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:04:43

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:57:52
Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

No.  I never said that.

It is why I believe Jews in the New Covenant still need to follow the Law of Moses.

But since you brought it up - I see there is a POSSIBILITY of women being in church leadership along with their husbands by the examples of Priscilla and Aquila and the APOSTLES Andronicus and Junia.

Romans 16:7  Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Both these are not commands but are examples of what might be acceptable. SO I see there is a possibility.

Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

Quote from: Red Baker on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:14:18

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:07:17

Quote from: Jimmy on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:02:08
It seems pretty clear this PreacherOfTruth has a beam in his eye.  Probably couldn't get a date in high school.

Rebuttal reply 1

By all means pull the beam out of my eye.

Matthew, Chapter 7, 3: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4: Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

We cannot until you give us the light that you believe you have, or, you may be able to pull the beam out of my eyes.  You have not really revealed anything as of yet.  All you done is quote scriptures without any explaining  of what you believe concerning them. Here I have a scripture for you:

"There was man in the land of UZ, whose name was Job; and that man was upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

Now go and figure out my doctrine from that scripture.  This is what you have done so far.

RB

Rebuttal reply 11

Please establish how this has any bearing on the will of God for women.

Quote from: Jimmy on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:21:11

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:08:31
I started to post something humorous as well but our brother is wanting a serious discussion.

Perhaps we should concentrate more on his subject rather than making jokes about beams ...

He is not wanting a serious discussion.  He simply posted a bunch of verses to get a rise out of someone so he could pontificate on some pet peeve.

Rebuttal Question 3
How did you come to this conclusion?

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:29:06

Quote from: Jimmy on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:21:11
He is not wanting a serious discussion.  He simply posted a bunch of verses to get a rise out of someone so he could pontificate on some pet peeve.

I agree!

Rebuttal Question 1
Why do you agree?

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:53:26

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:36:13
He is new here and pastors a church containing people who got banned here.

He is seeing if we are as bad as he was led to believe.  Writing him off will only convince him we are all blood sucking despots.

Give him some space and engage him.

His posting style sure seems familiar...same issue with women, same writing cadence, same debate style as "others" that have posted here and really enjoy the PM feature. Just sayin'...

Rebuttal Reply 2
This has already been answered on the introduction forum.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:44:09

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:53:26

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:36:13
He is new here and pastors a church containing people who got banned here.

He is seeing if we are as bad as he was led to believe.  Writing him off will only convince him we are all blood sucking despots.

Give him some space and engage him.

His posting style sure seems familiar...same issue with women, same writing cadence, same debate style as "others" that have posted here and really enjoy the PM feature. Just sayin'...

Rebuttal Reply 2
This has already been answered on the introduction forum.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:30:11
Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

First off - there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop. So the answer to that would be a no.

There are those, including women, who have either been appointed or have taken the roles of Teacher (Priscilla) and apostle (Junia). We have women prophets - the daughters of Philip (Acts 21.8-9)

Acts 2:17  'And it shall be in the last days,' God says, 'That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams;

As to bishops - I assume you are referring to local elders (as the word is used in the KJV).  There is no record of any women elders but if a woman (along with her husband) can be called "apostle," I see no reason to not have a woman elder.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 06:40:32

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 06:36:41
The Will of God For All Women

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Deuteronomy, Chapter 22
5: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Mark, Chapter 10
12: And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Romans, Chapter 7
2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
3: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
5: But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
6: For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
7: For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
8: For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
9: Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15: But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 14
34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
9: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Timothy, Chapter 5
14: I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

Titus, Chapter 2
3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus, Chapter 2, 004:    That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5: To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter, Chapter 3
1: Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2: While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5: For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

How can anyone believe that it is or ever has been the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

I agree that it was not meant by our Lord that a woman should be a pastor or bishop.  I fail to make the connection of some of the passages you quoted, but not others, but I agree with you on this point.

There is also the issue that Jesus ordained no women.  All of the apostles were men, and this is not by mistake.

That is not to say that women aren't smart enough or capable enough to perform many of the same tasks that a pastor of a congregation does.  But I believe that it is not God's will that, in the Church settings, they were meant to do so.  Being a pastor is a vocation to me, and within vocations there are certain roles that God has assigned to the sexes.  For example, God made it so that only women can give birth.  That is a great dignity and part of the vocation of women.  It is part of the natural order.  There is also a divine order, which is laid out in the Bible in the passages you have quoted.  In the divine order, God has made it the role of men to be pastors of flocks.  In this they image Jesus, who himself was a man.

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:46:00
I find it interesting that:

* People feel a need to tell the "other group" how they are supposed to obey God rather than concentrating on the instructions to their own group.

The role of a pastor is someone who instructs the faithful along the narrow path.  That is their role.

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:46:00
**There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Meaning that men and women should be equal in dignity.  It doesn't mean that men and women are the same in all ways and roles.  This is clear from the passages he quoted.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:02:00

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:45:46

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:35:52

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:24:33
I find it interesting that some men feel the need to tell women what they must and most not do. Maybe they need to be more concerned with what God says to THEM, and their own lives and walk with God. I am sure there is lot of room for improvement there before they start on others.
God is quite capable of speaking to and teaching his daughters Himself about what He requires of them and their place in His kingdom, and He does so all the time.

Rebuttal question 1

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

If God calls them to do that, then they need to do it. No one should reject Gods calling surely.

Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

I believe that God calls who he will, and its not up to us to tell him what to do to. In fact its extremely arrogant to think we can do so being that He is the creator and we are the created.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 06:40:32
How can anyone believe that it is or ever has been the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

I think I am beginning to understand.  The elders in his church are interviewing, one or more of whom are women, to replace him.   

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:46:00
I find it interesting that:

* People feel a need to tell the "other group" how they are supposed to obey God rather than concentrating on the instructions to their own group.

* People will use Galatians 3:28** to prove that Jews do not have a unique set of rules but insist that women do, which totally violates their own interpretation of the verse.



**There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Absolutely. This guy needs to study what God says to him, and not worry about what other people are doing.

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:36:13
He is new here and pastors a church containing people who got banned here.

He is seeing if we are as bad as he was led to believe.  Writing him off will only convince him we are all blood sucking despots.

Give him some space and engage him.

  I think he is a self appointed pastor of a very small group. Does it really matter what he thinks of us really?

I have a question for the OP PreaherOfTruth:

Do you believe like my dad did, that every woman was to be the slave of any man?

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:55:06
I think he is a self appointed pastor of a very small group. Does it really matter what he thinks of us really?

Perhaps he is.  And what he thinks may matter little.

But at some level he is our brother made in God's image and deserves on that basis alone to have a certain dignity and benefit of the doubt.

So unless he gets out of hand, treat him with respect. He has strong opinions based on his interpretation of scripture. So do all of us.

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:00:58

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:55:06
I think he is a self appointed pastor of a very small group. Does it really matter what he thinks of us really?

Perhaps he is.  And what he thinks may matter little.

But at some level he is our brother made in God's image and deserves on that basis alone to have a certain dignity and benefit of the doubt.

So unless he gets out of hand, treat him with respect. He has strong opinions based on his interpretation of scripture. So do all of us.

Yes I agree, as long as we don't get too worried about what others think of us. We have to be true to ourselves and what we believe regardless.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:18:19

Quote from: Red Baker on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:03:18
There are godly women who have more insight than many men.  More zeal, than many men, and more love of the truth, than many men. I can name a few in the word of God, and outside of the scriptures. How many do you want?

Rebuttal question 9

How can any woman be Godly outside of the scriptures?

What I mean by that statement, is this: There are godly women who are not in the word of God, that are very godly, such as some women of this forum.  I have never met "Nevertheless"~but can tell by her words that she is a godly women,  her words are always very sober and well thought out.  Chosenone loves the scriptures, and others, even though I strongly disagree with her understanding of women being ordained.  You should have known what I meant by my statement.

RB

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:46:09

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:30:11
Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

First off - there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop. So the answer to that would be a no.

Rebuttal Question 3
How come you believe that God did not call any women to be Pastors or Bishops even thought there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop?

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:39:06

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:46:09

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:30:11
Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

First off - there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop. So the answer to that would be a no.

Rebuttal Question 3
How come you believe that God did not call any women to be Pastors or Bishops even thought there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop?

He called no one into those roles, neither men nor women, as Dave said.   However I have known several women myself who God has called in to the role of Vicar. I also had an uncle who was a Bishop, a very wise and godly man, who was a strong supporter of women vicars and that was in the 60's onwards.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:39:06
Rebuttal Question 3
How come you believe that God did not call any women to be Pastors or Bishops even thought there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop?

I do not understand the question.

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:04:43

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:57:52
Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

No.  I never said that.

It is why I believe Jews in the New Covenant still need to follow the Law of Moses.

But since you brought it up - I see there is a POSSIBILITY of women being in church leadership along with their husbands by the examples of Priscilla and Aquila and the APOSTLES Andronicus and Junia.

Romans 16:7  Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Both these are not commands but are examples of what might be acceptable. SO I see there is a possibility.

Rebuttal Reply and Question 4

These women are always under the rule and authority of their husbands. They are not equal to their husbands in any role.

Do you agree?

If not give an example when this would not be so.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:46:16

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:04:43

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:57:52
Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

No.  I never said that.

It is why I believe Jews in the New Covenant still need to follow the Law of Moses.

But since you brought it up - I see there is a POSSIBILITY of women being in church leadership along with their husbands by the examples of Priscilla and Aquila and the APOSTLES Andronicus and Junia.

Romans 16:7  Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Both these are not commands but are examples of what might be acceptable. SO I see there is a possibility.

Rebuttal Reply and Question 4

These women are always under the rule and authority of their husbands. They are not equal to their husbands in any role.

Do you agree?

If not give an example when this would not be so.

MY husband will tell you that we are equal before God. He is the head of our family, but he doesn't rule us nor control us. He leads in a godly and wise way, as Jesus Himself does. He also loves women to be able to fulfil their God given callings, whatever they may be.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:46:16
They are not equal to their husbands in any role.

Oh.my.lanta!

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:52:27

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:46:16
They are not equal to their husbands in any role.

Oh.my.lanta!

Sort of says it all really doesn't it. Poor wife  

I love it that God isn't sexist, but sadly many believers are.

Quote from: JohnDB on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:16:10
These Bible verses, albeit from KJV are truth as they come from the Bible.

In context they are beautiful truths.

So let's calm down & see what preaher of truth has to say about what he believes these verses have to do with modern life today.

Rebuttal Question 1
Please give me an example when the word of God put in any context is not the word of God.

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:58:17

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:52:27

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:46:16
They are not equal to their husbands in any role.

Oh.my.lanta!

Sort of says it all really doesn't it. Poor wife

What gets me is the "in ANY role" bit. So, in his mind the wife can't do anything as well as a man can do it, even the ones assigned to her by God. Whatevs.  Just silly pettiness!

God made women to be a helpmate to our husbands and how beautiful it is that its the same word He uses for Himself as our helper.  We are equally equipped to be halves that make a whole in marriage. One is not superior and the other simply a bubbled headed ninny toy.

Quote from: Catholica on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:46:31
I fail to make the connection of some of the passages you quoted

Rebuttal REPLY 1

All the verses I quoted from the bible pertain to

The Will of God For All Women.

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:50:25

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:02:00

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:45:46

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:35:52

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 07:24:33
I find it interesting that some men feel the need to tell women what they must and most not do. Maybe they need to be more concerned with what God says to THEM, and their own lives and walk with God. I am sure there is lot of room for improvement there before they start on others.
God is quite capable of speaking to and teaching his daughters Himself about what He requires of them and their place in His kingdom, and He does so all the time.

Rebuttal question 1

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

If God calls them to do that, then they need to do it. No one should reject Gods calling surely.

Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

I believe that God calls who he will, and its not up to us to tell him what to do to. In fact its extremely arrogant to think we can do so being that He is the creator and we are the created.

Rebuttal Question 3

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 11:02:22

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:58:17

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:52:27

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:46:16
They are not equal to their husbands in any role.

Oh.my.lanta!

Sort of says it all really doesn't it. Poor wife

What gets me is the "in ANY role" bit. So, in his mind the wife can't do anything as well as a man can do it, even the ones assigned to her by God. Whatevs.  Just silly pettiness!

God made women to be a helpmate to our husbands and how beautiful it is that its the same word He uses for Himself as our helper.  We are equally equipped to be halves that make a whole in marriage. One is not superior and the other simply a bubbled headed ninny toy.

I'm not sure that is what he is saying that  the wife can't do anything as well as a man can do it, even the ones assigned to her by God" , but I could be wrong.  "Not equal" is not the same as "not as good as".  A woman performing her vocational roles may very well be better at those roles than her husband.  They are still "not equal" if she is better than he at those things.

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:57:17
I have a question for the OP PreaherOfTruth:

Do you believe like my dad did, that every woman was to be the slave of any man?

Rebuttal REPLY 5

I believe that all men and all women, are to always do the will of God.

Quote from: Red Baker on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:26:33
You should have known what I meant by my statement.

RB

Rebuttal REPLY 12

Say what you mean and mean what you say. I am not going to second guess you.

Quote from: Red Baker on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:26:33

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:18:19

Quote from: Red Baker on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 08:03:18
There are godly women who have more insight than many men.  More zeal, than many men, and more love of the truth, than many men. I can name a few in the word of God, and outside of the scriptures. How many do you want?

Rebuttal question 9

How can any woman be Godly outside of the scriptures?

What I mean by that statement, is this: There are godly women who are not in the word of God, that are very godly, such as some women of this forum.  I have never met "Nevertheless"~but can tell by her words that she is a godly women,  her words are always very sober and well thought out.  Chosenone loves the scriptures, and others, even though I strongly disagree with her understanding of women being ordained. 

Rebuttal REPLY 13

How does any of this have anything to do with the will of God for all women?

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:42:57

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 10:39:06

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:46:09

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:30:11
Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

First off - there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop. So the answer to that would be a no.

Rebuttal Question 3
How come you believe that God did not call any women to be Pastors or Bishops even thought there is no record anywhere in the NT of someone being "called" to be either a Pastor or Bishop?

He called no one into those roles, neither men nor women, as Dave said.   

Rebuttal Question 4

If God called no one to be Pastors and Bishops then how come their duties and authority is outlined in the bible?

*Note There were pastors called by God in the old testament.

Quote from: PreaherOfTruth on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 11:28:08

Quote from: DaveW on Thu Aug 22, 2013 - 09:57:17
I have a question for the OP PreaherOfTruth:

Do you believe like my dad did, that every woman was to be the slave of any man?

Rebuttal REPLY 5

I believe that all men and all women, are to always do the will of God.

That didn't answer his question.