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Kaepernick, a black man paid $19 million/year, refuses to stand for the National Anthem over vague allegations that blacks are oppressed (yeah, with lots of privilege).  Why is he allowed to sit?  I can't imagine a white player  allowed to sit.  Or, a Christian.   I think Kaepernick is just enjoying more black privilege.  A white man would be suspended (without pay) for sitting, and a NFL spokesman would explain why their different treatment of a white man has nothing to do with race.

I know I'm just a drop in the sea, but I'll be boycotting football until the NFL compels the spoiled brat to show some respect to the fans who pay good money to watch a game, not to watch BLM activism.  More Christians need to practice boycotts.  The Left uses boycotts to great effect. 

Quote from: Tertullian on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 03:17:59
Kaepernick, a black man paid $19 million/year, refuses to stand for the National Anthem over vague allegations that blacks are oppressed (yeah, with lots of privilege).  Why is he allowed to sit?  I can't imagine a white player  allowed to sit.  Or, a Christian.   I think Kaepernick is just enjoying more black privilege.  A white man would be suspended (without pay) for sitting, and a NFL spokesman would explain why their different treatment of a white man has nothing to do with race.

I know I'm just a drop in the sea, but I'll be boycotting football until the NFL compels the spoiled brat to show some respect to the fans who pay good money to watch a game, not to watch BLM activism.  More Christians need to practice boycotts.  The Left uses boycotts to great effect.

I'm with you Tertullian! It burns me up to see that man wear socks with pigs on them to protest the men in Blue~WHAT A DISGRACE!  He needs to be cut and given a one way ticket to Africa, or the war zone of Syria, or any part of the middle east, to see if he could learn to appreciate living in America more than he does.   

Eh, never understood nationalism. Being glad to be in a country but pride? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't care much for the Aussie flag or anthem. Some have said if you're not proud of your nation get out but I would be told to do that with every nation until we're out of countries to not be proud of.

As for black lives matter, I'm pragmatic about it. I know the worst of Australian policing and I still think the US has a problem with police brutality. I think that there should be more lookes into the socioeconomic determinants of crime and law enforcement than ethnicity but you seppos have this fetish with race as an identity so *shrugs*

As for the bloke, don't care. He's paid to kick a ball and wrestle people. If he's good at that, that's all that would matter to me.... if grid iron were not inferior to AFL that is

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 04:30:55Being glad to be in a country but pride? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't care much for the Aussie flag or anthem. Some have said if you're not proud of your nation get out but I would be told to do that with every nation until we're out of countries to not be proud of.

I did not use the word "proud"~but appreciate. 

QuoteHe's paid to kick a ball and wrestle people.

Football in America, not rugby. Maybe you do not know the difference, since you did not between appreciate and proud.   

I spent a career in the military defending our freedom including freedom of speech.  He has every right to do his protest.  I also have every right to not support him.  The fans have every right to express their freedom of speech by not attending a home game until he is gone.  Fans of other teams have the freedom to boo him every time he is on the field.  I predict this will be his last season in the NFL.  The NFL does not have the right to stop his freedom of speech.

I heard Kaepernick interviewed the other day and he mentioned hands up don't shoot. A reference to Michael Brown in Furgeson, Missouri that DID NOT happen. Kaepernick doesn't even have the sense to know what he is upset about. Yes he has the right to be an idiot, but a white player wouldn't.

Quote from: Johnb on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 06:53:45
I spent a career in the military defending our freedom including freedom of speech.  He has every right to do his protest.  I also have every right to not support him.  The fans have every right to express their freedom of speech by not attending a home game until he is gone.  Fans of other teams have the freedom to boo him every time he is on the field.  I predict this will be his last season in the NFL.  The NFL does not have the right to stop his freedom of speech.

About this being his last season, the men of my dwelling agree. No one wanted him when SF tried to trade him, so they are stuck with him, but when the contract runs out?  Buh-bye!

I read something on facebook that *cracked* me up!  Someone said Kap is *far* more well known for sitting down, than anything he did standing up. 

Quote from: Johnb on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 06:53:45
The NFL does not have the right to stop his freedom of speech.

Yes, they do. Freedom of Speech is a constitutional right, but does not extend into the workplace. Freedom of Speech is government directed. What I mean by that, is that Freedom of Speech restricts our government from limiting our speech. It has nothing to do with our employers limiting our speech, which they can. An employer can fire an employee for things the employee has said. The NFL is the boss, and Kaepernick is the employee. They have every right to limit his speech when he's on the job.

Quote from: mommydi on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 10:55:34

Quote from: Johnb on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 06:53:45
The NFL does not have the right to stop his freedom of speech.

Yes, they do. Freedom of Speech is a constitutional right, but does not extend into the workplace. Freedom of Speech is government directed. What I mean by that, is that Freedom of Speech restricts our government from limiting our speech. It has nothing to do with our employers limiting our speech, which they can. An employer can fire an employee for things the employee has said. The NFL is the boss, and Kaepernick is the employee. They have every right to limit his speech when he's on the job.

Correct.  The NFL cannot limit my speech, but they can expect its employees to behave according to certain standards so long as they remain under contract.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 11:51:20

Quote from: mommydi on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 10:55:34

Quote from: Johnb on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 06:53:45
The NFL does not have the right to stop his freedom of speech.

Yes, they do. Freedom of Speech is a constitutional right, but does not extend into the workplace. Freedom of Speech is government directed. What I mean by that, is that Freedom of Speech restricts our government from limiting our speech. It has nothing to do with our employers limiting our speech, which they can. An employer can fire an employee for things the employee has said. The NFL is the boss, and Kaepernick is the employee. They have every right to limit his speech when he's on the job.

Correct.  The NFL cannot limit my speech, but they can expect its employees to behave according to certain standards so long as they remain under contract.

You just agreed with me.

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 04:30:55
As for the bloke, don't care. He's paid to kick a ball and wrestle people. If he's good at that, that's all that would matter to me.... if grid iron were not inferior to AFL that is

People go to football games for the whole package.  If NFL games were just football without adornments, the games would be about as popular as college baseball.

If you went out to eat and the waitress taking your order were deliberately rude to you, would you ignore her rudeness on the grounds that she's just there to take your order?

The NFL will lose some fans, for a time, over this.  But, the NFL knows that if they hold Kaepernick accountable for his behavior, and treat him as they would any white player, they'll be accused of racism, and the Left boycotts much better than anyone else.  Maybe even Obama's Federal government would get involved and harass the NFL.

Last school year when blacks football players refused to come to football practice at the University of Missouri over BLM racist protests, the University should have suspended them from the football team, but the university was afraid to do the right thing, and instead capitulated to the racist protesters.  The result is that this school year, enrollment is down over 2000 students on the campus.  The racist protesters cost the school millions of dollars, but the school feared that the alternative would have cost them even more.

If the NFL refuses to get involved with this ingrate, they should also recuse themselves from the issue of the Dallas Cowboys putting supportive decals for the country's police.

The only cause Kaepernick is supporting is Kaepernick. This is designed to draw attention to him, not to "his people". Obviously, it's working. His career is on the down slide and his ego can't take it. Just another "never was" fading into obscurity.

As for the NFL hierarchy, Roger Goodell has proven himself to be a fool on countless occasions. He needs to go down the road right along side Kaepernick. And as for me personally, I couldn't even tell you who won the last Super Bowl, so you know just how important pro football is to me. Zero.

Quote from: Tertullian on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 03:17:59
Kaepernick, a black man paid $19 million/year, refuses to stand for the National Anthem over vague allegations that blacks are oppressed (yeah, with lots of privilege).  Why is he allowed to sit?  I can't imagine a white player  allowed to sit.  Or, a Christian.   I think Kaepernick is just enjoying more black privilege.  A white man would be suspended (without pay) for sitting, and a NFL spokesman would explain why their different treatment of a white man has nothing to do with race.

I know I'm just a drop in the sea, but I'll be boycotting football until the NFL compels the spoiled brat to show some respect to the fans who pay good money to watch a game, not to watch BLM activism.  More Christians need to practice boycotts.  The Left uses boycotts to great effect.

He isn't even black.  He is biracial (white mom) who was adopted by a white couple.

He is just another self-absorbed liberal.

Quote from: Tertullian on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 12:26:54

If you went out to eat and the waitress taking your order were deliberately rude to you, would you ignore her rudeness on the grounds that she's just there to take your order?

Yep. If is she isn't spittin inmy food or none, she can insult me and my mum from dawn to dusk.

I'm just not one for symbolism, just really not. Like I don't think this is some great acyoon because he's not really doing anything, but that absence of doing things is is why I'm bot concerned.

Sit for anthems, burn flags, ignore the  cultural norm and the some. People act as if the nations of now ins this world are some inherently respected thing forgetting that they sit on the ashes of nations, kingdoms and empires before. I mean have the right to be offended but I just don't undrrstand why. It reminds me of those over PC whiners but in the other direction "waa, you didn't call me by the gender I identify with becausw I haven't transitioned yet" and  "waa, you didnt stand for a song for some impotent quasi-political phenomenon" rings equally as whingey to me

Quote from: RB on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 06:30:50Football in America, not rugby. Maybe you do not know the difference, since you did not between appreciate and proud.

Firstly, I was responding to the OP, not you (BTW, I forgot the part I indended to include about me thinking that a white guy would and should get away with sitting to a song too) but on that point, why is displays of appreciation necessitated by standing to a song? I mean I think he's wrong by doing this, but maybe appreciating a place could be displayed by doing something that you see as improving it i.e. police brutality race thingy? In that case he's incorrect, not unappreciative.

Secondly, you live on a planet where Aussie rules, soccer, rugby, union, league, gridiron, rush, keepie, touch and more are called football. the 'F' in AFL, NFL and UEFA stand for the same word though they all govern different sports. I specified with saying "gridiron"

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 13:11:03
If the NFL refuses to get involved with this ingrate, they should also recuse themselves from the issue of the Dallas Cowboys putting supportive decals for the country's police.

Wow. I didn't take long to find an example of the NFL's double standard on Free Speech. 

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 04:30:55
Eh, never understood nationalism. Being glad to be in a country but pride? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't care much for the Aussie flag or anthem. Some have said if you're not proud of your nation get out but I would be told to do that with every nation until we're out of countries to not be proud of.

As for black lives matter, I'm pragmatic about it. I know the worst of Australian policing and I still think the US has a problem with police brutality. I think that there should be more lookes into the socioeconomic determinants of crime and law enforcement than ethnicity but you seppos have this fetish with race as an identity so *shrugs*

As for the bloke, don't care. He's paid to kick a ball and wrestle people. If he's good at that, that's all that would matter to me.... if grid iron were not inferior to AFL that is

I didn't know that Australians liked Arena League Football.  I thought all they watched on tv was was a mermaid show about Mako Island.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 05:48:59

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 04:30:55
Eh, never understood nationalism. Being glad to be in a country but pride? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't care much for the Aussie flag or anthem. Some have said if you're not proud of your nation get out but I would be told to do that with every nation until we're out of countries to not be proud of.

As for black lives matter, I'm pragmatic about it. I know the worst of Australian policing and I still think the US has a problem with police brutality. I think that there should be more lookes into the socioeconomic determinants of crime and law enforcement than ethnicity but you seppos have this fetish with race as an identity so *shrugs*

As for the bloke, don't care. He's paid to kick a ball and wrestle people. If he's good at that, that's all that would matter to me.... if grid iron were not inferior to AFL that is

I didn't know that Australians liked Arena League Football.  I thought all they watched on tv was was a mermaid show about Mako Island.

Lol, no. THat's the Australian  football league. 

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 18:19:35

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 05:48:59

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 04:30:55
Eh, never understood nationalism. Being glad to be in a country but pride? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't care much for the Aussie flag or anthem. Some have said if you're not proud of your nation get out but I would be told to do that with every nation until we're out of countries to not be proud of.

As for black lives matter, I'm pragmatic about it. I know the worst of Australian policing and I still think the US has a problem with police brutality. I think that there should be more lookes into the socioeconomic determinants of crime and law enforcement than ethnicity but you seppos have this fetish with race as an identity so *shrugs*

As for the bloke, don't care. He's paid to kick a ball and wrestle people. If he's good at that, that's all that would matter to me.... if grid iron were not inferior to AFL that is

I didn't know that Australians liked Arena League Football.  I thought all they watched on tv was was a mermaid show about Mako Island.

Lol, no. THat's the Australian  football league. 

The Australian football league is about mermaids?

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 18:40:37

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 18:19:35

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 05:48:59

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 04:30:55
Eh, never understood nationalism. Being glad to be in a country but pride? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't care much for the Aussie flag or anthem. Some have said if you're not proud of your nation get out but I would be told to do that with every nation until we're out of countries to not be proud of.

As for black lives matter, I'm pragmatic about it. I know the worst of Australian policing and I still think the US has a problem with police brutality. I think that there should be more lookes into the socioeconomic determinants of crime and law enforcement than ethnicity but you seppos have this fetish with race as an identity so *shrugs*

As for the bloke, don't care. He's paid to kick a ball and wrestle people. If he's good at that, that's all that would matter to me.... if grid iron were not inferior to AFL that is

I didn't know that Australians liked Arena League Football.  I thought all they watched on tv was was a mermaid show about Mako Island.

Lol, no. THat's the Australian  football league. 

The Australian football league is about mermaids?

Nah. Instead of people, the teams are composed of roos. And instead of a ball, they use a dropbear.

Yes employers can set standards for speech.  However, standing for the national anthem is encouraged but not required so it is free speech.  To now change this rule after the fact would be clear discrimination.  Let's not act like the progressive liberals and declare free speech is only valid as long as it agrees with our ideas. 

Quote from: Tertullian on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 03:17:59
Kaepernick, a black man paid $19 million/year, refuses to stand for the National Anthem over vague allegations that blacks are oppressed (yeah, with lots of privilege).  Why is he allowed to sit?  I can't imagine a white player  allowed to sit.  Or, a Christian.   I think Kaepernick is just enjoying more black privilege.  A white man would be suspended (without pay) for sitting, and a NFL spokesman would explain why their different treatment of a white man has nothing to do with race.

I know I'm just a drop in the sea, but I'll be boycotting football until the NFL compels the spoiled brat to show some respect to the fans who pay good money to watch a game, not to watch BLM activism.  More Christians need to practice boycotts.  The Left uses boycotts to great effect.

Learn to live with the constitutional protection of freedom of speech, folks.

The NFL is correct in their approach here.

Quote from: Johnb on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 19:36:08
Yes employers can set standards for speech.  However, standing for the national anthem is encouraged but not required so it is free speech.  To now change this rule after the fact would be clear discrimination.  Let's not act like the progressive liberals and declare free speech is only valid as long as it agrees with our ideas.

He would still have free speech as described by the constitution even if the NFL changed its rules tomorrow.

Quote from: Johnb on Sun Sep 04, 2016 - 19:36:08
Yes employers can set standards for speech.  However, standing for the national anthem is encouraged but not required so it is free speech.  To now change this rule after the fact would be clear discrimination.  Let's not act like the progressive liberals and declare free speech is only valid as long as it agrees with our ideas.

Encouraged but not required?  The NFL can require players to do anything (that's not a violation of the law).  I have no doubt that their contracts are full of vague clauses relating to behavior, which could be applied to refusing to stand for the National Anthem. 

There's nothing Liberal about expecting the NFL to hold their workers to common standards of decency, at least while at work.

What if a white player gave a Nazi salute during the National Anthem? Do you think the NFL would stick to their fake Free Speech argument?  Right now, where's the Free Speech freedom for the Dallas Cowboy players who are being prohibited by the NFL of showing their support for the police (which is not an obnoxious behavior, and police are hired by the football team for security)?

The "Free Speech" argument is a lie. This has nothing to do with Free Speech and everything to do with the NFL being afraid of the consequences if they tried to control a spoiled brat playing the race card.  Consequences like black groups boycotting the NFL and the Obama administration launching an investigation into racist practice of the NFL (harassment of the NFL).   Let us not be liars like Liberals are.

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 13:11:03If the NFL refuses to get involved with this ingrate, they should also recuse themselves from the issue of the Dallas Cowboys putting supportive decals for the country's police.

Agreed~it just shows that there's a double standard for blacks and the rest of society when it comes to sports; and since MONEY rules, regardless whose involved, blacks or whites~it's more about $$$$$$$$ than race. As a team owner, Jerry Jones should have pushed this issue harder than he did~shame on him. TC said:

QuoteHe isn't even black.  He is biracial (white mom) who was adopted by a white couple. He is just another self-absorbed liberal.

True~just like three of my grandchildren. If Joshua, Hannah, and Abigail acted like this spoiled liberal, I would cut them off, and tell them that you do not deserve to live in a country that allows you the freedom and liberty to disrespect what it affords you  freely...... (and we have come to EXPECT IT); and to disrespect those (men in blue) who give their life to allow you to have  peace of mind of living comfortable; living a life of pursuing your desires and dreams and hope, without fear. Kaepernick is turning his back on the very people that gave him his opportunity to be successful, while embracing a race that does everything to keep their people from reaching and using their God given talents. Truth is truth, and many times it hard to accept cold hard facts of truth. Remember Ben Wilson~ a Chicago youth that was coming along about the same time as Michael Jordan; (early 80's) with about as much talent, but was gun down by his own race in that drug infested area of Chicago while in high School his senior year.   

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 23:39:33Secondly, you live on a planet where Aussie rules, soccer, rugby, union, league, gridiron, rush, keepie, touch and more are called football. the 'F' in AFL, NFL and UEFA stand for the same word though they all govern different sports. I specified with saying "gridiron"

Really? How well did they do in the Olympic Games in Rio last month? I think we live on a plant where America rules overall in most sports. I think we have the gold to prove it...and maybe a little silver and bronze, to go along with the gold. What do you think? The reason why we do not play rugby is that we understand the value of wearing protection gear, which our friends Aussie have not learned as of yet~but, maybe they will, after a few more get their brains knock out. If you want to play rugby, then come over here and we will have a game with you boys using Alabama's defensive line as our starters, with a few boys from Clemson~I hope you guys have a very good emergency 911 team on hand, for I'm pretty sure you might need them for your boys. You might want to bring a couple of back up teams as well, you just might need them also.   

Quote from: RB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 05:24:26

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 23:39:33Secondly, you live on a planet where Aussie rules, soccer, rugby, union, league, gridiron, rush, keepie, touch and more are called football. the 'F' in AFL, NFL and UEFA stand for the same word though they all govern different sports. I specified with saying "gridiron"

Really? How well did they do in the Olympic Games in Rio last month? I think we live on a plant where America rules overall in most sports. I think we have the gold to prove it...and maybe a little silver and bronze, to go along with the gold. What do you think? The reason why we do not play rugby is that we understand the value of wearing protection gear, which our friends Aussie have not learned as of yet~but, maybe they will, after a few more get their brains knock out. If you want to play rugby, then come over here and we will have a game with you boys using Alabama's defensive line as our starters, with a few boys from Clemson~I hope you guys have a very good emergency 911 team on hand, for I'm pretty sure you might need them for your boys. You might want to bring a couple of back up teams as well, you just might need them also.

Just be sure you don't try to pray in public on the campus of Clemson.  Might violate the Clemson students safe space.

I am in no way agreeing with what he is doing. Just seems we when the shoe is on the other foot want to act like liberals and make more rules.  We seldom use the power that we the people have.  Don't buy tickets to the teams games. Turn the tv off when he comes on and the NFL will o the right thing for their business can him.  Same thing in TX the players want to honor the police and the NFL stopping them.  A week or 2 of most of the fans not buying tickets would get the point across.  It is a business and they need the cash flow.  But it is easier to complain than to actually do things that bring change.

Quote from: Johnb on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 05:52:22I am in no way agreeing with what he is doing. Just seems we when the shoe is on the other foot want to act like liberals and make more rules.  We seldom use the power that we the people have.  Don't buy tickets to the teams games. Turn the tv off when he comes on and the NFL will o the right thing for their business can him.  Same thing in TX the players want to honor the police and the NFL stopping them.  A week or 2 of most of the fans not buying tickets would get the point across.  It is a business and they need the cash flow.  But it is easier to complain than to actually do things that bring change.

Brother, you are correct. TC said:

QuoteJust be sure you don't try to pray in public on the campus of Clemson.  Might violate the Clemson students safe space.

I saw that last week, and it did bother me hearing that on the news. I have a grandson there, and he would never complain, but some have. It's hard to think that it would happen in the very county that I live in, yet, there are students from all over the world there who do not share the share convictions that most do who live in Pickens county where Clemson is located.

Quote from: RB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 05:24:26

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 23:39:33Secondly, you live on a planet where Aussie rules, soccer, rugby, union, league, gridiron, rush, keepie, touch and more are called football. the 'F' in AFL, NFL and UEFA stand for the same word though they all govern different sports. I specified with saying "gridiron"

Really? How well did they do in the Olympic Games in Rio last month? I think we live on a plant where America rules overall in most sports. I think we have the gold to prove it...and maybe a little silver and bronze, to go along with the gold. What do you think? The reason why we do not play rugby is that we understand the value of wearing protection gear, which our friends Aussie have not learned as of yet~but, maybe they will, after a few more get their brains knock out. If you want to play rugby, then come over here and we will have a game with you boys using Alabama's defensive line as our starters, with a few boys from Clemson~I hope you guys have a very good emergency 911 team on hand, for I'm pretty sure you might need them for your boys. You might want to bring a couple of back up teams as well, you just might need them also.

Aussie rules is a game code. It is objectively, by the moral edicts and physical laws of the universe, the best sport ever conceived by mammals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football

Also, we have a population that fits between that of New York State and Texas, you have more humans to weed out talent from. Observe us being 14th and you being 43rd in this rank:
http://www.medalspercapita.com/

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 06:36:31

Quote from: RB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 05:24:26

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 23:39:33Secondly, you live on a planet where Aussie rules, soccer, rugby, union, league, gridiron, rush, keepie, touch and more are called football. the 'F' in AFL, NFL and UEFA stand for the same word though they all govern different sports. I specified with saying "gridiron"

Really? How well did they do in the Olympic Games in Rio last month? I think we live on a plant where America rules overall in most sports. I think we have the gold to prove it...and maybe a little silver and bronze, to go along with the gold. What do you think? The reason why we do not play rugby is that we understand the value of wearing protection gear, which our friends Aussie have not learned as of yet~but, maybe they will, after a few more get their brains knock out. If you want to play rugby, then come over here and we will have a game with you boys using Alabama's defensive line as our starters, with a few boys from Clemson~I hope you guys have a very good emergency 911 team on hand, for I'm pretty sure you might need them for your boys. You might want to bring a couple of back up teams as well, you just might need them also.

Aussie rules is a game code. It is objectively, by the moral edicts and physical laws of the universe, the best sport ever conceived by mammals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football

Also, we have a population that fits between that of New York State and Texas, you have more humans to weed out talent from. Observe us being 14th and you being 43rd in this rank:
http://www.medalspercapita.com/

Your handle is a creation of an American author. 

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/kaepernick-jersey-sales-soar-amid-controversy/story?id=41861482

"Kaepernick Jersey Sales Soar!"


We have to remember we are anachronisms & the America we knew as children & younger adults is no more & it is not coming back. When the Baby-Boomer generation finally dies off so does America. That is reality.


I feel great sorrow for what is called the Millennial generation (our grandchildren & great-grandchildren). Especially for those that were raised with traditional values because they will be few in number & will be sorely mistreated by society because all things traditionally Christian & American will be held in great contempt.


It should be obvious just by the current Presidential campaign. The candidate who represents all things against traditional America basically does not have to campaign. She has basically just going to fundraisers with the rich & famous since the Demo Convention doing very little campaigning feeling confident in the values disparity in our country. While the other candidate has to campaign furiously to get a semi-traditional platform to seem acceptable.


So, to me Kaepernick is not a major problem because he is just a symptom of a far greater problem.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 06:52:40

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 06:36:31

Quote from: RB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 05:24:26

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Sat Sep 03, 2016 - 23:39:33Secondly, you live on a planet where Aussie rules, soccer, rugby, union, league, gridiron, rush, keepie, touch and more are called football. the 'F' in AFL, NFL and UEFA stand for the same word though they all govern different sports. I specified with saying "gridiron"

Really? How well did they do in the Olympic Games in Rio last month? I think we live on a plant where America rules overall in most sports. I think we have the gold to prove it...and maybe a little silver and bronze, to go along with the gold. What do you think? The reason why we do not play rugby is that we understand the value of wearing protection gear, which our friends Aussie have not learned as of yet~but, maybe they will, after a few more get their brains knock out. If you want to play rugby, then come over here and we will have a game with you boys using Alabama's defensive line as our starters, with a few boys from Clemson~I hope you guys have a very good emergency 911 team on hand, for I'm pretty sure you might need them for your boys. You might want to bring a couple of back up teams as well, you just might need them also.

Aussie rules is a game code. It is objectively, by the moral edicts and physical laws of the universe, the best sport ever conceived by mammals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football

Also, we have a population that fits between that of New York State and Texas, you have more humans to weed out talent from. Observe us being 14th and you being 43rd in this rank:
http://www.medalspercapita.com/

Your handle is a creation of an American author. 

Yup, but again, I'm not one for patriotism. I'm a human quoting a human, not an Australian quoting an American. ;)

Quote from: Daemon Blackfyre on Mon Sep 05, 2016 - 06:56:21I'm not one for patriotism. I'm a human quoting a human, not an Australian quoting an American. ;)

True patriotism is based on a familial (family) bond as evidenced by these quotes from my American forefathers contained in a document called the "Causes and Necessity of Their Taking Up Arms". - http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/arms.asp

" We have counted the cost of this contest, and find nothing so dreadful as voluntary slavery. -- Honour, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them, if we basely entail hereditary bondage upon them. "

"In our own native land, in defence of the freedom that is our birthright, and which we ever enjoyed till the late violation of it -- for the protection of our property, acquired solely by the honest industry of our fore-fathers and ourselves, against violence actually offered, we have taken up arms. We shall lay them down when hostilities shall cease on the part of the aggressors, and all danger of their being renewed shall be removed, and not before. "


Daemon, are you saying your Australian ancestors never did anything worthy & that is why you feel no respect towards them or their deeds & why you have no love for them or the inheritance they gave you?
Or have you been educated (as is now done in America) to revile all they did?