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Roman politics

Started by Amo, Fri Jun 24, 2016 - 20:10:38

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Amo

What happened to the Roman politics thread? Was it breaking some rules or something? Strange for it to just disappear.

Amo

Since all the information was wiped out, here is the link to examine Rome's concordats with various nations for those interested again.

http://www.concordatwatch.eu

Amo

Here is another site addressing Concordats.

http://slovakia.humanists.net/concordats.htm

The following quote is from the above site, all emphasis mine.

1. Concordats are agreements between a church and a state. The Roman Catholic Church tries to make concordats with any state wherever and whenever this becomes politically possible. However, other powerful churches also enter into concordats, such as the Lutheran Church in Germany and the Orthodox Church in Georgia and if a future concordat is signed between the Vatican and the Czech Republic, even the Seventh Day Adventists have said that they want one, too. [1]

As a Seventh Day Adventist, I do not agree with my denomination seeking accords with the governments of this world at all. It is my conviction that denominations which seek the power, approval, or support of the state, do so because they have or are in the process of losing the power of the Holy Spirit of God. While I intend to look into the matter, I would appreciate any input from anyone who has any information regarding the highlighted claim in the above quote.

Amo

Still wondering who wiped out the first Roman politics thread and why? The following site has a bit of interesting history concerning the papal politics.

http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/1933Concordat.html

Amo

Since the disappearing first Roman politics thread seems to be a mystery, with no explanation, I will consider that it was not removed due to violation of board rules. Unless otherwise informed, I will begin reposting the posts which mysteriously disappeared along with the entire thread shortly.

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Amo on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 17:58:56
Since the disappearing first Roman politics thread seems to be a mystery, with no explanation, I will consider that it was not removed due to violation of board rules. Unless otherwise informed, I will begin reposting the posts which mysteriously disappeared along with the entire thread shortly.

My guess is that the resident troll was posting in that thread and it got moved wholesale.  Have you PM'ed any of the moderators?

Amo

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 18:01:26
Quote from: Amo on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 17:58:56
Since the disappearing first Roman politics thread seems to be a mystery, with no explanation, I will consider that it was not removed due to violation of board rules. Unless otherwise informed, I will begin reposting the posts which mysteriously disappeared along with the entire thread shortly.

My guess is that the resident troll was posting in that thread and it got moved wholesale.  Have you PM'ed any of the moderators?

No. I was looking for the way to contact them. How does one do so?

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Amo on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 19:10:10
Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 18:01:26
Quote from: Amo on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 17:58:56
Since the disappearing first Roman politics thread seems to be a mystery, with no explanation, I will consider that it was not removed due to violation of board rules. Unless otherwise informed, I will begin reposting the posts which mysteriously disappeared along with the entire thread shortly.

My guess is that the resident troll was posting in that thread and it got moved wholesale.  Have you PM'ed any of the moderators?

No. I was looking for the way to contact them. How does one do so?

Send a private message to Jaime or Alan by clicking on their profile.

Amo

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 19:16:38
Quote from: Amo on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 19:10:10
Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 18:01:26
Quote from: Amo on Sat Jun 25, 2016 - 17:58:56
Since the disappearing first Roman politics thread seems to be a mystery, with no explanation, I will consider that it was not removed due to violation of board rules. Unless otherwise informed, I will begin reposting the posts which mysteriously disappeared along with the entire thread shortly.

My guess is that the resident troll was posting in that thread and it got moved wholesale.  Have you PM'ed any of the moderators?

No. I was looking for the way to contact them. How does one do so?

Send a private message to Jaime or Alan by clicking on their profile.

Tanks.

Amo

Quotes from Ecclesiastical Megalomania -

Roman Catholic economic thought, as developed by the popes in their encyclicals and by Roman Church-State councils, has been a contributor to, if not the only source of, several forms of anti-capitalist political and economic organization during the long hegemony of the Roman Church-State. Among these forms are
1. feudalism and guild socialism in Europe during the Middle ages.
2. fascism in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia, and Latin America in the twentieth century;
3. Nazism in Germany in the twentieth century;
4. interventionism and redistributive state in the West, including the United States in the twentieth century; and
5. liberation theology in Latin America and Africa in the twentieth century.
(Ecclesiastical Megalomania, John W. Robbins, Pt. 1, chap. 1, pg. 30)

From these doctrines of the natural community of goods and the moral primacy of need developed all the forms of anti-capitalist social organizations that the Roman Church-State has supported for the thousand years. The Roman Catholic doctrine of private property is echoed in the nineteenth century Communist slogan, "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need." The Roman Catholic doctrine reverberates in the slogan of twentieth century American liberals: "Human rights are more important than property rights." It was the creed of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society:, "We shall take from the haves and give to the have nots, who need it so much." It appears in the literature of fascism, Nazism, liberation theology, interventionism, and socialism. (Ibid., pg. 35)

These Thomistic notions - that private property is merely a construct of human reason and government, and that need gives the needy title to the goods of others - are the reason the Roman Catholic bishops in Brazil in 1998 pronounced that looting is neither sin nor a crime. The needs of the looters gives the looters title to the goods they are taking. According to Roman Catholic doctrine, the looters are, by natural and divine law, the rightful owners of those goods.
(Ibid., pgs. 35&36)

The dispensing of riches to the needy is not merely a private moral obligation in Thomisitic thought, as fundamentally important as that is, but a public legal obligation that is properly enforced by the public authorities. That is the position officially adopted by the Roman Church-State shall become abundantly clear. (Ibid., pg. 36)



Amo

http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showsite.php?org_id=843

We will now be availing ourselves of the information provided at the above internet site regarding some of the countries mentioned in the previous post containing quotes from the book Ecclesiastical Megalomania. With many thanks to those who have put a lot of time and effort into providing this information, that all may know the dangers involved in allowing the Roman church-state to have to much influence upon nations.

Italy - http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showsite.php?org_id=878

Concordats are an important part of the Roman church-state system. The above internet site addresses the history of the Roman church-state's Concordat with Italy. It reveals that the Roman church-state receives a great deal of its financial support through illicit relationships with the governing powers of this world, instead of free will offerings from its members, with or without the consent of the citizens which provide these funds through the tax systems of various nations. This is now true in the United states as well, to the tune of billions of dollars every year. This however was not accomplished through a Concordat, but though other political maneuvers within our government. The following site, which may be accessed through the above site, expounds.

http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php?org_id=878&kb_header_id=9781


The following quotes are from the Lateran Conciliation Treaty (1929), which may be viewed at the following internet site provided by Concordat Watch (all emphasis is mine). There is a great deal more information provided on the various links at Concordat Watch which all would do well to know and understand.

http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php?org_id=878&kb_header_id=39211

And whereas it was obligatory, for the purpose of assuring the absolute and visible independence of the Holy See, likewise to guarantee its indisputable sovereignty in international matters, it has been found necessary to create under special conditions the Vatican City, recognizing the full ownership, exclusive and absolute dominion and sovereign jurisdiction of the Holy See over that City;

His Holiness the Supreme Pontiff Pius XI and His Majesty Victor Emanuel III, King of Italy, have agreed to conclude a Treaty, appointing for that purpose two Plenipotentiaries, being on behalf of His Holiness, His Secretary of State, viz. His Most Reverend Eminence the Lord Cardinal Pietro Gasparri, and on behalf of his Majesty, His Excellency the Cav. Benito Mussolini, Prime Minister and Head of the Government; who, having exchanged their respective full powers, which were found to be in due and proper form, have hereby agreed to the following articles:

*Article 1
Italy recognizes and reaffirms the principle established in the first Article of the Italian Constitution dated March 4, 1848, according to which the Catholic Apostolic Roman religion is the only State religion.


Article 6
Italy shall provide, by means of suitable agreements entered into with the interested parties, that an adequate water supply be fully assured to the Vatican City. Italy shall furthermore provide for connection with the State railways by constructing a railway station within the Vatican City on the spot shown on the annexed map, and by permitting the circulation of railway carriages belonging to the Vatican on the Italian railways. It shall further provide for direct connection with other States by means of telegraph, telephone, wireless, broadcasting, and postal services in the Vatican City. It shall equally also provide for the coordination of all other public services.

All expenses connected with the arrangements above mentioned shall be defrayed by the Italian State, within the period of one year from the entry into force of the present Treaty.

Article 7
The Italian Government undertakes to prohibit the construction within the territory surrounding the Vatican City, of any new buildings which might overlook the latter, and shall for a like purpose provide for the partial demolition of similar buildings already standing near the Porta Cavalleggeri and along the Via Aurelia and the Viale Vaticano.

In accordance with the provisions of International Law, it shall be forbidden for aircraft of any kind whatsoever to fly over Vatican territory.

On the Piazza Rusticucci, and in the areas adjoining the Colonnade, over which the extra-territoriality referred to in Article 15 hereof does not extend, all structural alterations or street construction shall only be effected by mutual assent.

*Article 8
Considering the person of the Supreme Pontiff to be sacred and inviolable, Italy declares any attempt against His person or any incitement to commit such attempt to be punishable by the same penalties as all similar attempts and incitements to commit the same against the person of the King.

All offences or public insults committed within Italian territory against the person of the Supreme Pontiff, whether by means of speeches, acts, or writings, shall be punished in the same manner as offences and insults against the person of the King.


Article 11
All central bodies of the Catholic Church shall be exempt from any interference on the part of the Italian State (save and except as provided by Italian law in regard to the acquisition of property made by corpi morali, [recognized public bodies] and with regard to the conversion of real estate.)

*Article 21
All Cardinals shall enjoy, in Italy, the honours due to Princes of the Blood. Those Cardinals who may reside in Rome without the Vatican City shall, for all purposes, be considered citizens thereof.

In the event of the office of the Holy See falling vacant, Italy shall make special arrangements for the free transit and access of Cardinals over Italian territory to the Vatican, and shall provide that their personal liberty is not impeded or limited.

Italy shall also take all measures, within her territory surrounding the Vatican City, necessary to prevent the commission of any act which may in any way disturb the meetings of the Conclave.

The same provisions shall apply to Conclave held beyond the boundaries of the Vatican City and to Councils presided over by the Supreme Pontiff or his Legates, and with regard to all Bishops summoned to attend them.

Article 23
The regulations provided by International Law shall apply for the execution, within the Kingdom of Italy, of sentences pronounced by the Courts of the Vatican City.

All sentences and measures emanating from ecclesiastical authorities and officially communicated to the civil authorities, in regard to ecclesiastical or religious persons and concerning spiritual or disciplinary matters, shall without other formality have legal effect in Italy even for all civil purposes.

Amo

Spain - http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showsite.php?org_id=845

The following link from the above site contains a more complete text than the quotes which I have provided, as well as links to other concordats made with Spain and revisions of the same. Again, there is a great deal of info provided by Concordat Watch, for any truly interested in understanding the ultimate political goals of the Roman church-state. All emphasis in the following is mine.


http://www.concordatwatch.eu/topic-34561.843

Franco's concordat (1953)

Article 1
The Apostolic Roman Catholic Church will continue to be the sole religion of the Spanish State and will enjoy the rights and prerogatives due to it under Divine and Canon Law.

Article 2
The Spanish State recognises in the Catholic Church the character of the perfect society and guarantees it the free and full exercise of its spiritual power and jurisdiction, as well the free and public exercise of the religion..

Article 3
Spain recognises the Holy See and the Vatican City as international legal entities.

Article 5
The State must recognise as holidays those days designated as such by the Church in Canon Law or in other rules on local festivals and will ensure, by means of legislation, that the faithful are allowed to perform their religious duties.  The civil authorities, at both national and local levels, will enforce the required observation of such holidays as rest days.

Article 9
3. The Spanish state undertakes to provide the funds for new dioceses that may be established in the future, increasing the grant established in Article XIX where necessary.  The State, either directly or by means of local Corporations, will contribute an extraordinary grant for the initial expenses related to the formation of a new diocese, in particular grants for the construction of new Cathedrals and the buildings required for the Prelate's residence, offices of the Clergy and seminaries.

Article16
The Prelates referred to in paragraph 2 of Canon 120 in the Code of Canon Law may not be put in front of a lay judge without the necessary licence being obtained in advance from the Holy See.

4. In cases of criminal proceedings being taken against clergy or those in Religious Orders for other offences under the Spanish penal code, the Holy See will allow these to be heard in the State courts.  However, before proceeding, the judicial authorities must seek, without prejudice to the case and with due discretion, the agreement of the Ordinary in the district where the case is to be heard.  Should the Ordinary feel that there are serious reasons for denying consent, these must be given in writing to the appropriate authority.  Every attempt must be made to avoid any publicity in respect of the proceedings.  The outcome of the proceedings and the final decision in the case must be diligently notified to the appropriate Ordinary.

5. When clergy or those in Religious Orders are detained or arrested they will be treated with the consideration due to their state and position.  Prison sentences will be served in a Church or religious house which, in the judgement of the local Ordinary and the relevant State authority, offers suitable guarantees.  Sentences will not be served in facilities where there are lay people unless the relevant Church authorities have demoted the person concerned to the lay state.  They will be allowed bail and any other benefits established in law.

Article 19
The Church and the State will look at the creation of an appropriate Church patrimony which will ensure a fitting endowment for the religion and the clergy.

2. Meanwhile, the State, by way of compensation for previous confiscations of Church assets and as a contribution on behalf of the nation to the work of the Church, will allot an appropriate annual endowment.  In particular, this will include appropriations for the Archbishops and diocesan Bishops, the Assistants, Auxiliary Vicar Generals, the Cathedral Chapters and the Collegiate Churches, the Parish clergy, as well as allowances for the seminaries and Church universities and the practice of the religion.  In respect of the endowment for non-consistorial livings and the grants for seminaries and Church universities the rules laid out in the Agreements of July 16th and December 8th 1946 respectively, will continue to apply. (R.1141 and 1741 and Book 2376 and 17553)
If in the future there is a notable change in general economic conditions, the aforementioned payments will be adjusted to the new circumstances and sufficient to ensure the maintenance of the religion and the fitting support of the clergy.

3. The State, faithful to the national tradition, will pay annual grants for the construction and maintenance of parish churches, rectories and seminaries; for the promotion of Religious Orders, Congregations and Church institutions dedicated to missionary activity and to the care of historically important monasteries in Spain, as well as sustaining the Spanish College of St Joseph and the Spanish Church and Montserrat Residence in Rome.

4. The State will collaborate with the Church to create and finance institutions to assist elderly, sick or incapacitated clergy.  The State will also provide an adequate pension in favour of resident Prelates who, for reasons of health or age, have retired from their posts.

Article 26
In all centres of education, of whatever type or level, both public and private, teaching will conform to the principles of the dogma and morality of the Catholic Church. 

The Ordinaries may freely exercise vigilance over said centres of education in respect of the purity of the Faith, good habits and religious education.
The Ordinaries can demand that books, publications and educational materials contrary to Catholic dogma and morality are prohibited or withdrawn.

Article 27
The Spanish State guarantees the teaching of the Catholic religion as a regular and obligatory subject in all centres of education, both public and private, of all types and levels.


Article 29
The State will ensure that the institutions and services that form public opinion, in particular radio and television channels, give a proper position to the exposition and defence of the true religion by designated priests and religious, in agreement with the respective Ordinary.


The following site may also be of interest concerning Rome and Franco.

https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/QUEST/FileStore/Issue4PerspectiviesonPowerPapers/Filetoupload,71752,en.pdf

Amo

Portugal - http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showsite.php?org_id=1361

There are again, several Concordats between Rome and Portugal. We will examine quotes from only one at the following link. All emphasis in the following quotes are mine, and my comments are in blue.

Salazar's concordat (1940): - http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php?org_id=1361&kb_header_id=38751


Solemn Convention
between the Holy See and the Portuguese Republic
  [Signed 7 May 1940]

In the name of the Most Holy Trinity

His Holiness the Supreme Pontiff Pope Pius XII and His Excellency the President of the Portuguese Republic, wishing to regulate, by mutual agreement and in a stable manner, the legal status of the Catholic Church in Portugal, for peace and the greater good of the Church and the State,

have decided to conclude between themselves a solemn Convention which recognises and guarantees the freedom of the Church and protects the legitimate interests of the Portuguese Nation, including what regards the Catholic Missions and the Patronage of the Orient.

Article VI
The properties classified as "national monuments" and as "of public interest" or which become so within five years from the exchange of [instruments of] ratification, will remain the property of the state at the permanent disposal of the Church. The State is responsible for the maintenance, repair and restoration of said properties in accordance with what will be arranged in agreement with the ecclesiastical Authority, in order to avoid disruptions to religious services; the Church is responsible for the their protection and internal administration, in particular with regard to the time of visits, which may be regulated by the intervention of an official appointed by the State.

Article Xl
In the exercise of their ministry, the ecclesiastics shall enjoy the protection of the State, in the same manner as public authorities.

Article XII
Ecclesiastics may not be questioned by magistrates or other authorities about facts and matters of which they have knowledge by reason of their sacred ministry.

Article XIX
The State shall make every effort to make possible for all Catholics who are in its service or are members of its organisations, the regular fulfilment of their religious duties on Sundays and [religious] holidays.

Article XX
Church associations and organisations may freely establish and maintain their particular schools parallel to those of the State, subject, under the general law, to supervision and may, under the same terms [as state schools], be subsidised and accredited.

The religious education in schools and particular courses does not depend on authorisation of the State, and may be freely administered by the ecclesiastical Authority or by its nominees.

Article XXI
The instruction given by the State in state schools shall be guided by the principles of Christian doctrine and morals, traditional for the Nation. Consequently the teaching of the Catholic religion and morality will be provided in elementary, "complementary" and middle state schools for pupils whose parents or guardians have not made application for exemption.
In nursing homes, orphanages, official establishments and institutes for the education, correction or reform of minors run by the State, the teaching of Catholic religion shall therefore be administered by the state and the practice of its precepts ensured.

The texts for the teaching of Catholic religion must be approved by the ecclesiastical Authorities and the teachers shall be appointed by the State in agreement with it; in no case will the aforementioned teaching be administered by people whom the ecclesiastical Authorities have not approved as suitable.


Article XXIX
The provisions of the Concordat of 21 February 1857, reaffirmed by the Concordat of 13 June 1886, and those of the Concordat of 23 June 1886, both the former and the latter in those parts not affected by subsequent Accords, namely that one of 15 April 1928 and 11 April 1929, and by this Convention, are considered to be in force.

Since we have no access to the above mentioned Concordats of Article XXIX, we do not know what provisions of the same remained in effect as stated in the above. We will however now examine quotes from the latest Concordat signed with Rome in 2004, which was signed in secret according to the internet site provided.


http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php?org_id=1361&kb_header_id=4131

Concordat with the Holy See and the Portuguese Republic
18 May 2004
 
The Holy See and the Portuguese Republic,
recognising that the Catholic Church and the State are, each and severally, autonomous and independent;

taking into account the deep and historical ties between the Catholic Church and Portugal and bearing in mind the reciprocal responsibilities which bind them together, within the limits of religious freedom, and for the benefit of the common good and the duty of building a society which promotes the dignity of the mankind, justice and peace;

recognising the Concordat of 7 May 1940, agreed between the Holy See and the Portuguese Republic, and its application has contributed to a considerable extent in to strengthen their historical ties and consolidate the activity of the Catholic Church in Portugal for the benefit of the faithful and for the Portuguese community in general;

mindful of the need of an up-date in the light of profound changes on a national and international scale, and in particular as regards the Portuguese legal system, the new Democratic Constitution, revised provisions of European Community law and contemporary international law, and in so far as this affects the church, and the evolution of its relations with the political community;
have agreed to stipulate the following Concordat in the terms laid down:

Article 3
   1   The Portuguese Republic recognises Sundays as a festive day.
   2   Other days recognised as Catholic feast days are outlined in this agreement in Article 28.
   3   The Portuguese Republic shall make provision as far as is possible that Catholics, within the terms of Portuguese law, can perform their religious obligations on festive days.


Article 5
Ecclesiastical persons may not be cross-examined by magistrates or other authorities in matters relating to facts and causes falling within matters of conscience arising from their ministry.

Article 19
   1   The Republic of Portugal, in keeping with an ethos of religious freedom and the duty which behoves the State to cooperate with parents in the up-bringing of their children, guarantees the conditions necessary to ensure, within the terms of Portuguese law, the teaching of Religion and Catholic Morality in public educational institutions at the secondary level, without any form of discrimination.

   2   The frequency of Religious and Catholic Moral Teaching in public secondary institutions shall depend on the expressed declaration of the interested parties or, in the absence of their legal capacity, of their parents or legal representative.

   3   In no case may the teaching of Religion and Catholic Morality be carried out by persons not deemed to be fitting by the competent ecclesiastical authority, who shall certify the nominated person within terms provided for by Portuguese law and Canon Law.

   4   Teachers of the Religion and Catholic Morality shall be appointed or taken on subject to contractual employment, transferred or withdrawn from carrying out their teaching duties on behalf of the State by the agreement with the competent ecclesiastical authority.

   5   5. The definition and content of the teaching of Religion and Catholic Morality falls within the exclusive competence of ecclesiastical authorities, in keeping with the general orientation of the Portuguese educational system.

Article 22
   1   The immovable property, as designated by Article VI of the Concordat of 7 May 1940, classified as 'national monuments' or as 'of public interest' shall remain in the permanent service of the Church. Their conservation, reparation and restoration shall fall to the State and works carried out will be according to a plan established by mutual agreement with ecclesiastical authority, to avoid disturbing religious usage: the custody and internal running of the church shall fall to the Catholic Church, especially as regards visiting times, which an official nominated by the State to direct times, may intervene in.

   Article 23   
   4    The Commission mentioned in the previous paragraph shall have the duty to promote the protection, appreciation, and enjoyment of Church property, and the particular help of the State and other public bodies for the necessary processes of identification, maintenance, security, restoration and functioning, without any form of discrimination in relation to similar property whose duty it is of the said Commission to promote, whenever possible, within the stipulations set out in Article 28'.

Article 30
Given that it was not stipulated in Article 3, the Republic of Portugal shall recognise the following feast days: New Year's Day and the Day of the Most Holy Mother of God (1 January); Corpus Domini, the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (15 August); All Saints' Day (1 November); Feast of the Immaculate Conception (8 December); Christmas (25 December).

Article 31
Existing juridical provisions and those drawn up as the basis for the Concordat of 7 May 1940 and of the Missionary Agreement remain unaltered.

Amo

The following is an older yet enlightening article regarding the political workings of Rome within our and likely other nations whith which it does not have an accord.

http://www.population-security.org/swom-97-04.htm

Amo

Croatia - http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showsite.php?org_id=890

A lot to relearned at this site, including little known history related to the info at the following site.

http://serbianna.com/analysis/archives/1182


Amo

Germany - http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showsite.php?org_id=858

Quite a lot of links to a lot of info on this page. The following quotes are from the Concordat with Hitler and the Nazi party which may be viewed in its entirety here  -
http://www.concordatwatch.eu/kb-1211.834

Article 1
The German Reich guarantees freedom of profession and public practice of the Catholic religion.

It acknowledges the right of the Catholic Church, within the framework of the laws valid for all, to manage and regulate its own affairs independently, and, within the framework of its own competence, to issue binding laws and ordinances for its members.


Article 3
In order to foster good relations between the Holy See and the German Reich, an apostolic nuncio will reside in the capital of the German Reich and an ambassador of the German Reich at the Holy See.



Article 5
In the exercise of their clerical activities the clergy enjoy the protection of the state in the same way as state officials. The state will proceed, in accordance with the general provisions of civil law, against any insult to their person or to their clerical capacity, as well as against any interference with the duties of their office and, if necessary, will provide official protection.


Article 8
The official income of the clergy is immune from distraint [3] to the same extent as is the official salary of the Reich and state officials.



Article 10
The wearing of clerical dress or of a religious habit by lay people, or by members of the clergy or religious orders by whom this use is forbidden by a definitive and legally valid directive of the competent ecclesiastical authority and officially communicated to the state authority, is liable to the same penalty by the state as the misuse of the military uniform.


Article 16

Before bishops take possession of their dioceses they are to take an oath of loyalty either to the Reich governor of the state (Land) concerned or to the President of the Reich respectively, according to the following formula:
"Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear and promise, as becomes a bishop, loyalty to the German Reich and to the State (Land) of . . . I swear and promise to honour the legally constituted government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honour it. With dutiful concern for the welfare and the interests of the German state, in the performance of the ecclesiastical office entrusted to me, I will endeavour to prevent everything injurious which might threaten it."




Article 19
Catholic theological faculties in state universities are to be maintained. Their relation to Church authorities will be governed by the relevant concordats and by their supplementary protocols with stated regulations, having due regard for the relevant Church decrees. [12] The Reich Government will endeavour to secure for all of these Catholic faculties in Germany uniformity of treatment.


Article 23
The retention of Catholic denomination schools and the establishment of new ones is guaranteed. In all parishes where parents or guardians request it, Catholic elementary schools will be established, wherever the number of pupils, with due regard for the local conditions of school organization, appears to be sufficient for a school administered in accordance with the standards prescribed by the state.



Article 27
For the German army pastoral care outside the realm of ordinary jurisdiction is conceded for its Catholic officers, officials and men, as well as for their families.
The administration of such pastoral care for the army is the duty of the army bishop. His Church appointment is to be made by the Holy See after contact has been made with the Reich Government in order, with its agreement, to select a suitable person.

The Church appointment of military chaplains and other military clergy will be made by the army bishop after prior consultation with the appropriate authorities of the Reich. He may appoint only such chaplains as receive permission from their diocesan bishop to undertake military pastoral work, together with a certificate of suitability. Military chaplains have the rights of parish priests with regard to the troops and other army personnel assigned to them.

Detailed regulations for the organisation of pastoral work by chaplains will be supplied by an Apostolic Brief. Regulations for the legal aspects in terms of [their status as state] officials will be drawn up by the Reich Government.


Article 30
On Sundays and official holy days, a prayer conforming to the liturgy will be will be offered at the end of the principal Mass in parish, auxiliary and conventual churches of the German Reich, for the welfare of the German Reich and (German) people.



Article 31

.................................

It is reserved to the Reich Government and the German episcopate, in a joint agreement, to determine which organisations and associations come within the scope of this Article. In so far as the Reich and the states (Länder) take charge of sport and other youth organisations, care will be taken that it shall be possible for the members regularly to attend church on Sundays and feast days, and that they shall not be induced to do anything inconsistent with their religious and moral convictions and obligations.



Supplementary Protocol

Re Article 13

It is understood that the Church retains the right to levy Church taxes.




It should be noted of course, that all the above is in relation to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party in control of Germany at the time. Does the term deal with the devil not accurately apply in this case?

Amo

It was after posting the prior message that this thread mysteriously disappeared before. Hopefully that will not happen again now. If so, there should be little doubt as to why.

Amo

The following internet sites are in relation to the influence of the Catholic bishops of the US upon our congress and government. It should be remembered, that 30% of our Congress is Catholic, our vice President is, and until recently 6 of nine of our Supreme Court justices were as well. This is not to mention the many lesser offices of government filled by Catholics as well. As their numbers will no doubt continue to increase, so will all the efforts of Catholic bishops to politically effect the same.


http://catholicexchange.com/bishops-letter-to-congress-on-healthcare-reform

http://www.americancatholic.org/news/report.aspx?id=3873&

http://www.christiandaily.com/article/us-catholic-bishops-urge-congress-to-grant-legal-protection-to-doctors-who-oppose-abortion/50997.htm

http://religionnews.com/2015/04/13/u-s-catholic-bishops-back-obama-iran-warn-congress-meddling/

https://sojo.net/about-us/news/catholic-bishops-nuns-voice-support-obama-s-iran-deal-ask-congress-back

http://www.charismanews.com/us/38304-catholic-bishops-ask-congress-for-contraceptives-reprieve

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/15/us/catholic-bishops-urge-congress-to-reject-social-cutbacks.html

http://www.christianpost.com/news/us-catholic-bishops-urge-immediate-immigration-reform-action-before-congress-recesses-in-august-120621/

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/245399-catholic-bishops-to-meet-with-congress-white-house-on-climate

http://www.miamiarch.org/CatholicDiocese.php?op=Article_Bishops+to+Congress%3A+Remember+the+poor

http://justiceforimmigrants.org/index.shtml

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/bishop-to-congress-stop-treating-immigrants-as-less-than-human-85351/

https://stream.org/catholic-bishops-to-senate-stop-funding-planned-parenthood/

http://www.americancatholic.org/news/report.aspx?id=1410

https://www.chausa.org/publications/catholic-health-world/archives/issues/december-15-2014/bishops-catholic-charities-cha-press-congress-to-extend-chip

http://www.lifenews.com/2014/11/21/catholic-bishops-shut-down-government-to-stop-obamacares-abortion-funding/

https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=28190

http://www.usccb.org/news/2016/16-038.cfm

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/bishops-ask-congress-to-support-resettle-syrian-refugees/

http://www.archspm.org/archspm_news/bishops-renew-plea-congress-administration-repair-affordable-care-act/

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=579

https://www.ncronline.org/news/politics/bishops-visit-boehner-push-again-immigration-reform

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/06/09/immigration-catholics-bishops-column/2397239/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/catholic-bishops-again-ca_n_1273470.html

http://nlihc.org/article/catholic-bishops-and-catholic-charities-urge-congress-protect-nhtf

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3072775/posts

https://cruxnow.com/church/2015/04/13/us-bishops-to-congress-support-iran-nuclear-deal/


http://religionnews.com/2014/11/12/catholic-bishops-back-obama-acting-alone-immigration/

Amo


Amo

#19
Excerpts from
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH
(All emphasis mine)

On the unification of humanity

Man's earthly activity, when inspired and sustained by charity, contributes to the building of the universal city of God, which is the goal of the history of the human family. In an increasingly globalized society, the common good and the effort to obtain it cannot fail to assume the dimensions of the whole human family, that is to say, the community of peoples and nations, in such a way as to shape the earthly city in unity and peace, rendering it to some degree an anticipation and a prefiguration of the undivided city of God.


His was certainly a social teaching of great importance: he underlined the indispensable importance of the Gospel for building a society according to freedom and justice, in the ideal and historical perspective of a civilization animated by love. Paul VI clearly understood that the social question had become worldwide and he grasped the interconnection between the impetus towards the unification of humanity and the Christian ideal of a single family of peoples in solidarity and fraternity.


, but only on Christ, to whom every authentic vocation to integral human development must be directed. The Gospel is fundamental for development, because in the Gospel, Christ, "in the very revelation of the mystery of the Father and of his love, fully reveals humanity to itself". Taught by her Lord, the Church examines the signs of the times and interprets them, offering the world "what she possesses as her characteristic attribute: a global vision of man and of the human race"


The truth of globalization as a process and its fundamental ethical criterion are given by the unity of the human family and its development towards what is good. Hence a sustained commitment is needed so as to promote a person-based and community-oriented cultural process of world-wide integration that is open to transcendence.


Since the development of persons and peoples is at stake, this discernment will have to take account of the need for emancipation and inclusivity, in the context of a truly universal human community. "The whole man and all men" is also the criterion for evaluating cultures and religions. Christianity, the religion of the "God who has a human face", contains this very criterion within itself.





On the redistribution of nations, societies, and individuals wealth

Lowering the level of protection accorded to the rights of workers, or abandoning mechanisms of wealth redistribution in order to increase the country's international competitiveness, hinder the achievement of lasting development.


But the social doctrine of the Church has unceasingly highlighted the importance of distributive justice and social justice for the market economy, not only because it belongs within a broader social and political context, but also because of the wider network of relations within which it operates.


36. Economic activity cannot solve all social problems through the simple application of commercial logic. This needs to be directed towards the pursuit of the common good, for which the political community in particular must also take responsibility. Therefore, it must be borne in mind that grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution.


37. The Church's social doctrine has always maintained that justice must be applied to every phase of economic activity, because this is always concerned with man and his needs. Locating resources, financing, production, consumption and all the other phases in the economic cycle inevitably have moral implications. Thus every economic decision has a moral consequence. The social sciences and the direction taken by the contemporary economy point to the same conclusion. Perhaps at one time it was conceivable that first the creation of wealth could be entrusted to the economy, and then the task of distributing it could be assigned to politics.


In the global era, the economy is influenced by competitive models tied to cultures that differ greatly among themselves. The different forms of economic enterprise to which they give rise find their main point of encounter in commutative justice. Economic life undoubtedly requires contracts, in order to regulate relations of exchange between goods of equivalent value. But it also needs just laws and forms of redistribution governed by politics, and what is more, it needs works redolent of the spirit of gift. The economy in the global era seems to privilege the former logic, that of contractual exchange, but directly or indirectly it also demonstrates its need for the other two: political logic, and the logic of the unconditional gift.


In this way he was applying on a global scale the insights and aspirations contained in Rerum Novarum, written when, as a result of the Industrial Revolution, the idea was first proposed — somewhat ahead of its time — that the civil order, for its self-regulation, also needed intervention from the State for purposes of redistribution. Not only is this vision threatened today by the way in which markets and societies are opening up, but it is evidently insufficient to satisfy the demands of a fully humane economy. What the Church's social doctrine has always sustained, on the basis of its vision of man and society, is corroborated today by the dynamics of globalization.


Blind opposition would be a mistaken and prejudiced attitude, incapable of recognizing the positive aspects of the process, with the consequent risk of missing the chance to take advantage of its many opportunities for development. The processes of globalization, suitably understood and directed, open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale; if badly directed, however, they can lead to an increase in poverty and inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis. It is necessary to correct the malfunctions, some of them serious, that cause new divisions between peoples and within peoples, and also to ensure that the redistribution of wealth does not come about through the redistribution or increase of poverty: a real danger if the present situation were to be badly managed.


The world-wide diffusion of forms of prosperity should not therefore be held up by projects that are self-centred, protectionist or at the service of private interests. Indeed the involvement of emerging or developing countries allows us to manage the crisis better today. The transition inherent in the process of globalization presents great difficulties and dangers that can only be overcome if we are able to appropriate the underlying anthropological and ethical spirit that drives globalization towards the humanizing goal of solidarity. Unfortunately this spirit is often overwhelmed or suppressed by ethical and cultural considerations of an individualistic and utilitarian nature. Globalization is a multifaceted and complex phenomenon which must be grasped in the diversity and unity of all its different dimensions, including the theological dimension. In this way it will be possible to experience and to steer the globalization of humanity in relational terms, in terms of communion and the sharing of goods.


What is also needed, though, is a worldwide redistribution of energy resources, so that countries lacking those resources can have access to them.


On what is truly needed to establish this unification and wealth redistribution


Globalization certainly requires authority, insofar as it poses the problem of a global common good that needs to be pursued.

64. While reflecting on the theme of work, it is appropriate to recall how important it is that labour unions — which have always been encouraged and supported by the Church — should be open to the new perspectives that are emerging in the world of work.

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protectand of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority,

Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations.

Amo

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2012/03/how-the-vatican-influences-us-policy/

The following quotes are taken from the above link, where a whole lot more of eye opening information may be viewed in relation to Roman politics, and its effects upon our nation.



Table 1 shows the Vatican and Reagan Administration positions on twenty-four of the most controversial issues of the past three years. It is difficult to find a single example of disagreement between them. The president has made no secret of the fact that he calls on the pope for guidance in the governing of America. In chapter four, I have quoted his incredible statement before the National Catholic Educa­tion Association in April 1982: "I am grateful for your help in shaping American policy to reflect God's will...and I will look forward to further guidance from His Holiness Pope John Paul II during an audience I will have with him in June."[1] A. Menendez, "Of Presidents and Popes," Church and State (1982), 35:6:11.......................


Catholic issues seem to consume him.... Reagan's motivation now seems to be his inability to tolerate the "oppression of the Church" to which the Pope has attested.... John Kennedy may be smiling somewhere at the sight of an American president wrapping himself in the arms of Holy Mother Church.... By contrast, Reagan is going out of his way to show that with him there is no separation of church and state. He wants it known that there is a direct line between him and the Pope, that he seeks counsel from the Vatican City. Reagan took the extraordinary step of inviting the Pope's ambassador, Pio Laghi, to his Santa Barbara ranch for consultation on delicate foreign policy questions. (M. McGrory, "Irishman in White House Now Says 'Ciao,'" Raleigh News and Observer (August 6, 1984), p. 4A.)....................


During a speech to a group of conservatives on February 18, 1983, Reagan made the statement that the attempted assassination of the pope was "an assault on God." Can it be that the president receives the words of the pope as if they were actually words or instructions direct from God?
.........................


The truth is that Mr. Reagan is just giving his blessing to a reality. The Vatican has for decades ignored the constitutional premise of separation of church and state though this situation has worsened since the publication of the Pastoral Plan for Prolife Activities in 1975. Columnist Mary McGrory, in an article on the unprecedented chal­lenge to the archbishop of New York by Governor Mario Cuomo, frankly stated that for a Catholic politician to publicly oppose the wishes of an archbishop is political suicide. She pointed out that Cuomo is the first Catholic politician to pick a fight with a prelate and that "it is the conventional wisdom that no politician wins in a fight with the Catholic Church."[6]M. McCrory, "Cuomo's Rule: Discuss Difficult Issues," Raleigh News and Observer (August 10, 1984), p. 4A............................

My purpose in presenting this brief discussion of selected foreign policy initiatives of the Vatican is to show the lengths to which "defenders of the Church" in the Reagan administration are willing to go in order to "safeguard" the Church. To these "defenders," Viet­nam, El Salvador, Grenada, and Lebanon are viewed in part as "holy wars for the preservation of the Church." They are unquestionably willing to go to similar lengths to protect the Church from population growth control activities.

Population scientists, field workers, and, more importantly, jour­nalists must acknowledge the magnitude of this obstacle to solving the population problem and deal with this problem in its entirety—and without delay...............


The Vatican's extensive intrusion into American policy-making is causing considerable national divisiveness. The Vatican gains con­siderable political advantage from its allies among non-Catholics and uses it to heavily influence government policy (or to thwart the mak­ing of policy altogether in some areas). Their manipulation has frus­trated mobilization in this country to deal with the nation's most press­ing problems, such as population growth control, nuclear disarma­ment, illegal immigration control, environmental degradation, includ­ing the pollution of our nation's waters and soil, soil erosion, and the "greenhouse effect." Our country is finding itself in a position similar to those in Latin America which are literally being buried under their problems because their national interests sometimes differ from Vatican interests....................


Only the secretive hierarchy of the Catholic Church is capable of orchestrating such massive lobbying effort so quietly. No doubt it has used the political lobbying organization it set up to ban abortion—the Moral Majority—to achieve this near miracle. The convention movement should be a matter of great concern. It is certain to at least cause a constitutional crisis and considerable national divisiveness. The greater the divisiveness, the greater the political gain for the Catholic Church. Population growth control is certain to lose.

A second opportunity for government policy manipulation is through influencing the selection of Supreme Court justices by the reelection of Mr. Reagan to a second term. Of the six sitting pro-abortion justices, five are now more than seventy-three years old. Sandra Day O'Connor, a conservative and obedient Irish Roman Catholic, has been Reagan's only appointment thus far. If he is reelect­ed, the odds are fairly good that he would have occasion to appoint four additional justices, and they could all be conservative and obe­dient Catholics just like his first selection. Then we would have a ma­jority of the Court appointed with the same kind of "divine guidance" Reagan has been getting all along and have a Court no doubt respon­sive to the needs of the Vatican. This end is already within reach of the Church if Reagan is reelected............


The major support for bilingual education was the Catholic hier­archy. No doubt the Church recognized that bilingualism divides the country culturally and politically and destroys the critical linguistic cohesion. Yet it succeeded in getting $200 million per year in taxpay­ers' dollars to fund this activity—a sum equal to the entire U.S. population assistance budget!

The Vatican is not concerned about the best interests of the United States. Nor does it seem to care about the people in developing countries. Increasing the number of Catholics in the United States to increase their power in the United States, regardless of the expense to the Third World, is its major concern.

If the Church had a greater compassion for the developing world, it would be doing whatever possible to encourage their educated and skilled people to remain at home where they are desperately needed...........................

Where does Mr. Reagan and his administration stand on illegal immigration control? According to Texas Governor Mark White, in a speech to the seventh annual Conference on Immigration and Natu­ralization at the University of Texas Law School:

President Reagan told the American people...he's serious about immigration control and a secure border. But at the same time, this administration has turned its back on its responsibilities to stem the tide of illegal immigration by refusing to adequately fund the Border Patrol to do its job.... They are reluctant to adequately enforce existing laws, which makes you question how actively they would enforce the new law.... I think it's time for the administration and the federal government to put some money where the mouth is.[36]

The Reagan administration and the Vatican both stand for maintain­ing the status quo. This is not a coincidence.




Amo

The complete articles from which the following quotes were taken, may be viewed at the links provided above each quote. Rome's designs for the unity of humanity and all religions, includes herself as the head of the same, of course. If this is not the agenda of BABYLON THE GREAT, what is?

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/05/30/gods-plan-is-to-unite-all-humanity-says-pope/

QuoteGod's plan, the Pope said, is to unite all humanity into one family where everyone recognises he or she is a child of God and loved by him: "The Church is born from God's desire to call all people into communion with him" and "to participate in his divine life."

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope_says_catholic_church_is_instrument_for_human_unity/

QuoteLast Sunday, during the last Regina Coeli -the Marian prayer said only during the Easter season, which ends on Pentecost Sunday - Pope John Paul called the Catholic Church an instrument of unity for humanity.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-unity-evil-one-world-religion-being-ushered-pope-melinda-h

QuoteThe one world church has begun "officially" on June 26, 2000 yes, but it didn't have the power to merge into a super or global power until all religions on earth agreed the Pope was to be their elected leader. Yes, the majority did in 1999 and so it was inevitable it came into fruition in 2000, and some, like the SDA church even joined with Rome to perform certain duties for the global church to assure a good start up. (the SDA church is WCC Treasurer) Still.. unless the churches all joined as one with Rome and then in agreement with the State that happens to be under the thumb of Rome, the power would not be sufficient to form the long prophesied New World Order (NWO) that the Popes have been pushing since Roman Catholic Emperor Adolph Hitler's day.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Pope:-the-one-human-family-also-includes-brothers-who-emigrate-19821.html

QuoteIn his message for the next World Refugee Day, Benedict XVI highlights migration as part of a globalized society, which emphasizes the unity of mankind. The "dutiful gesture of human solidarity" in welcoming migrants. Those who emigrate must "assume the rights and duties existing in the country that receives them, contributing to the common good, not to mention the religious dimension of life."

Amo

The complete article which the following quote came from may be viewed at -

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-unity-evil-one-world-religion-being-ushered-pope-melinda-h

QuoteFrancis is the first Jesuit Pope in history. It is sort of an irony to think that a pope who appears to be close to Evangelicals actually belongs to the religious order that was founded to fight Protestantism. The former soldier Ignatius of Loyola (1491-1566) gathered a group of friends who called themselves The Society of Jesus (Societas Jesu) and eventually they were commissioned by the Pope to stop the spread of Protestantism. Their task was to imitate the strengths of Protestantism, i.e. spiritual depth and intellectual brightness, but to use them as catholic weapons against it. The Jesuit order provided the "alternative" catholic way to the Protestant faith. It comes as no surprise then that the first saint that Pope Francis proclaimed in 2013 was Pierre Favre (1506-1546), a French first generation Jesuit with a "smiling face" who more than others tried to look like a Protestant in order to drive people back to the Roman Church.

Furthermore, the Jesuit side of Pope Francis is clear enough given his published (and never retracted) opinion that Luther and Calvin destroyed man, poisoned society, and ruined the church! In his 1985 lecture on the history of the Jesuit order, he gave severe evaluations of Luther (a "heretic"), and especially of Calvin (a "heretic" and "schismatic") bringing about the "Calvinist squalor" in society, in the church, and in man's heart. According to that lecture, Protestantism lies at the root of all evils in the modern West. The fact that this lecture was republished unchanged in 2013 in Spanish and translated in 2014 into Italian with his permission, but without a mitigating word of explanation, indicates that this assessment still lingers in the Pope's heart and mind. He recently added a harsh comment on the Puritans, falsely associating them with a bigoted and merciless form of Christianity. This friendly Pope to Evangelicals is a Jesuit whose entire mission of order is to defend the Roman Church against Protestantism. Certainly Francis is a smiling Jesuit, but the anti-Protestant still beats in his heart.

Amo

The real question about gun control, is who wants it, and why do they want it. While there are certainly sincere and good intentions for desiring such, it should not be forgotten that there most certainly are real and diabolical reasons for wanting to disarm citizens as well. All abusive governments and institutions prefer of course, to disarm all and any they are over. It just makes enforcing tyranny all that much easier. The quotes below are taken from the links above them. The first link addresses where our second amendment rights basically came from, and one of the main reasons why they were established that few know about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHiqs7bFfJ0


http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2011/gun-control-church-firmly-quietly-opposes-firearms-for-civilians.cfm

QuoteVATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The Catholic Church's position on gun control is not easy to find; there are dozens of speeches and talks and a few documents that call for much tighter regulation of the global arms trade, but what about private gun ownership?
The answer is resoundingly clear: Firearms in the hands of civilians should be strictly limited and eventually completely eliminated.

But you won't find that statement in a headline or a document subheading. It's almost hidden in a footnote in a document on crime by the U.S. bishops' conference and it's mentioned in passing in dozens of official Vatican texts on the global arms trade.
The most direct statement comes in the bishops' "Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration: A Catholic Perspective on Crime and Criminal Justice" from November 2000.

"As bishops, we support measures that control the sale and use of firearms and make them safer -- especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children or anyone other than the owner -- and we reiterate our call for sensible regulation of handguns."

That's followed by a footnote that states: "However, we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions -- i.e. police officers, military use -- handguns should be eliminated from our society."

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2016/06/13/catholic-church-say-gun-control/

QuoteCatholics wondering what the Church has to say about gun control in the wake of the Orlando massacre will find nothing firm from Rome, but a clear drift from the U.S. bishops in favor of stronger limits and the eventual near-elimination of guns from American society.


http://wwrn.org/articles/45304/

QuoteWhy are deadly weapons being sold to those who plan to inflict untold suffering on individuals and society? Sadly, the answer, as we all know, is simply for money: money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood. In the face of this shameful and culpable silence, it is our duty to confront the problem and to stop the arms trade.

And lest anyone think that the pope's remarks were limited to international sales, Archbishop Blase Cupich of Chicago clarified, "Surely America's political leaders did not think the pope's comments were limited to arms trade outside of America's borders."

Cupich, who was appointed by Pope Francis, is noteworthy for being one of the few American prelates to press for legislation, writing in his Chicago Tribune op-ed:

It is no longer enough for those of us involved in civic leadership and pastoral care to comfort the bereaved and bewildered families of victims of gun violence. It is time to heed the words of Pope Francis and take meaningful and swift action to address violence in our society. We must band together to call for gun-control legislation. We must act in ways that promote the dignity and value of human life. And we must do it now.


http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/vatican-welcomes-obama-gun-control-proposal.html

QuoteThe Vatican praised President Barack Obama's proposals for curbing gun violence, calling them a "step in a right direction," the Huffington Post reports. The Vatican's chief spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders had appealed to members of Congress "to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths," adding: "I am with them. The initiatives announced by the American administration for limiting and controlling the spread and use of weapons are certainly a step in the right direction." Lombardi renewed Vatican appeals for disarmament and encouragement for measures to fight "the production, commerce and contraband of all types of arms."


http://www.vaticanguncontrol.com

QuoteThe Catholic "church" has been pretty vocal about the fact that they support the complete banning of private gun ownership.


Amo


Norton

Don't you know the Catholics were nervous those 60 years that Billy Graham hung around the White House. Serves them right.

Norton

Don't you know the Catholics were nervous those 60 years that Billy Graham hung around the White House. Serves them right.

Amo

No, I didn't know that. Perhaps a few details about why they should have been nervous, would shed some light.

Norton

#29
Actually, I have never known any Catholics who were obsessed, and wringing their hands about Billy Graham often being invited to the White House for very private meetings with the President. But don't you imagine there were some nervous Catholics?

As to the reason they should have been nervous: I know next to nothing about what all the Presidents and Billy Graham discussed, but I seriously doubt it should have caused Catholics any alarm. But, as we know, some people's suspicions are easily aroused.

Amo

Quote from: Norton on Tue Aug 30, 2016 - 22:12:18
Actually, I have never known any Catholics who were obsessed, and wringing their hands about Billy Graham often being invited to the White House for very private meetings with the President. But don't you imagine there were some nervous Catholics?

As to the reason they should have been nervous: I know next to nothing about what all the Presidents and Billy Graham discussed, but I seriously doubt it should have caused Catholics any alarm. But, as we know, some people's suspicions are easily aroused.

Go back to sleep brother, I didn't mean to slightly arouse you from your slumber.


Amo

The following quotes may be viewed in their entirety at the links provided above them.

http://prophesyagain.org/the-catholicization-of-america-pope-and-president-of-one-mind/

QuoteUnited States President Barack Obama delivered his final State of the Union address January 12, 2016. From the emphasis of his address, Obama seems to have been profoundly impacted by Pope Francis and his ideas for creating a "better world." "President Barack Obama spoke about several issues that concern leaders of the Catholic Church in the United States."1 Standing behind the same podium that the Pope stood behind in September, and addressing many of the same individuals, Obama quoted from the very speech that Pope Francis delivered to a joint session of congress. "'His Holiness, Pope Francis, told this body from the very spot I stand tonight,' Obama said, that 'to imitate the hatred and violence of tyrants and murderers is the best way to take their place.'"2 The State of the Union Address reflects how Catholic principles and ideals have, are and will continue to influence and shape principles and policies of the United States revealing just how Catholic, this nation has become.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/opinion/stanley-conservatives-catholics/

QuoteThe GOP is undergoing a quiet process of Catholicization. It's one of the reasons why this year's race has focused so much on social issues -- and sex.

http://feedingjimmy.com/the-catholicization-of-america-by-illegal-immigration/

QuoteIllegal immigration from South and Central America will turn the United States of America from a Protestant country to a Roman Catholic country. And then what? Well, you know what I say. Catholicism leads to communism.
A lot of people are really upset at me for saying this. They feel betrayed. I know. This is the most difficult thing for me to write because of my Catholic family and friends. I've been putting off writing this because I don't want to be a jerk to people who have been so kind to me.

http://latinosreadytovote.com/the-pope-latinos-in-america-and-the-catholicization-of-gop/

QuoteNot long ago, there was  a quiet process of Catholicization in the Republican Party and the GOP made good use of Catholic intellectual teaching in the 1970s. 

"There was a time when the Republican Party was strictly for White Anglo Saxon Protestants." But this year Roughly one-quarter of Republican primary voters are Catholic. Notable Catholic GOP leaders include John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush. Six out of nine justices of the Supreme Court are Catholics, and five of them are Republicans. And, the GOP is undergoing a quiet process of Catholicization. It's one of the reasons why this year's race has focused so much on social issues. Moreover, part of this genuinely Catholic intellectual tradition and its ability to provide reasonable arguments to defend conservative values. The Catholic Church had a vast intellectual heritage that could be drawn upon when fighting the liberals."

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs040/1101645366958/archive/1102903034468.html

QuoteTHE CATHOLICIZATION
OF ADVENTISM
The Alpha and the Omega
of Apostasy



Amo

Trump, the pope, and climate change.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/24/pope-francis-presents-trump-with-a-politically-loaded-gift-his-encyclical-on-climate-change/?utm_term=.0212a566d4e1

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-views-on-climate-change-are-evolving-after-meeting-with-european-leaders/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-pope-climate-change_us_58dd0d58e4b08194e3b7a5e8

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/19/vatican-confident-pope-will-change-trumps-view-on-global-warming-at-upcoming-meeting/

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Amo

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/06/18/full-text-laudato-si/


237. On Sunday, our participation in the Eucharist has special importance. Sunday, like the Jewish Sabbath, is meant to be a day which heals our relationships with God, with ourselves, with others and with the world. Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, the "first day" of the new creation, whose first fruits are the Lord's risen humanity, the pledge of the final transfiguration of all created reality. It also proclaims "man's eternal rest in God". In this way, Christian spirituality incorporates the value of relaxation and festivity. We tend to demean contemplative rest as something unproductive and unnecessary, but this is to do away with the very thing which is most important about work: its meaning. We are called to include in our work a dimension of receptivity and gratuity, which is quite different from mere inactivity. Rather, it is another way of working, which forms part of our very essence. It protects human action from becoming empty activism; it also prevents that unfettered greed and sense of isolation which make us seek personal gain to the detriment of all else. The law of weekly rest forbade work on the seventh day, "so that your ox and your donkey may have rest, and the son of your maidservant, and the stranger, may be refreshed" (Ex 23:12). Rest opens our eyes to the larger picture and gives us renewed sensitivity to the rights of others. And so the day of rest, centred on the Eucharist, sheds it light on the whole week, and motivates us to greater concern for nature and the poor.


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