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Me, too, in NY.  We also have to have a stamped copy of the original of our daughters' to fly, which are copies of the form signed at the hospital, not a computer printout of pertinent info.

Quote from: Gary on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:36:36

Quote from: jmg3rd on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:35:32

Quote from: sanctusivo on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:08:38

Quote from: jmg3rd on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 08:49:54
I'm no conspiracy guy, but it is interesting that it's in a font that wasn't developed until 1982.  Just sayin'.  Does Hawaii not issue copies of originals, but new prints off the computer instead?  That's the only explanation that'd make sense to me, and you never no, it may well be the case.

Look. All of this information is stored on databases. There is a printer, many printers, at the state office of vital records that is loaded with preprinted forms all ready to have the pertinent data burped out when the applicant pays the fee.  I've got my birth certificate from Tennessee; it was printed off about ten years ago.  I was born in 1960: so the form won't have a 1960s style.  It won't have a 1960s font. There won't be anything 1960s about it except my certified birth date.  If I went to the Cordell Hull office building in downtown Nashville to get another one, it'll have a 2008 font on a 2008 form but still have the same 1960 information.

Which, you'll note, I left the possibility open for.  You will understand, of course, that people who live in states where only copies of original forms showing signatures and stamps are accepted might find this form unusual, no?

I needed my original birth certificate to get a drivers license here.

I don't recall bringing anything to i.d. myself way back when I first got my license, but back then I used whale oil lamps to study on a slate tablet to pass my driver's exam saddling a horse.

Right, I heard that he had issued it as well. But it's a Democrat suing saying that what he "released" was a fraud. Like someone else pointed out, the font on it wasn't invented until 1992. I just want him to release it. No, I'm not grasping at straws, but if he's supposed to release it, release it. A Democrat is suing for it to be released and the DNC is objecting along with Obama. So if that other version was valid then the DNC and Obama would simply say, "Here it is." But they're not.

This is just strange. Like I said, I haven't cared about this until recently because I thought that it was conspiracy junk. But if what he released was a fraud, that's a big deal and says a lot about him. So why not release it? What is he hiding? I think that's a fair question.

Quote from: admin on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 17:56:21
I think that's a fair question.

It's no more than an attempt to distract from the worst campaign ever waged by a Republican presidential candidate.

It's a ridiculous question. No one cares about it except the knotheads in the GOP.

If it's no big deal, then release it. Again.

Quote from: memmy on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 20:07:59
If it's no big deal, then release it. Again.

First of all, the birth certificate has been released. The State of Hawaii recorded his birth back in 1962.

Second, those who insist on refusing to be convinced lack integrity because there is nothing the Obama campaign can do to convince these people. They lie to themselves because they wind up lying about Obama.

I'm going to take a wild guess and presume that you're among those who would never be convinced.

I'm not voting for the guy, but wingnut, tin-foil garbage like this only hurts Republicans down ticket.

I think asking to see Obama's REAL birth certificate is an absolutely fair question.  He did change his name to Barack so that should not be on the birth certificate.  And just what is the big deal about this after all? If Obama truly has a legitimate birth certificate, he should just show it so that it ends the conspiracy and maybe people could trust him more, thus giving Obama more votes. 

However, this is not the case, and Obama repeatedly refuses and guards endlessly that birth certificate, something is certainly wrong with this.  Of course though, Obama lying about one more instance would be nothing new in his campaign.

Quote from: Allegiance on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 06:51:31
He did change his name to Barack so that should not be on the birth certificate.

Got any proof for this assertion?

I haven't heard anything about him changing his name and am reading a book about him that doesn't say anything about that. He was named after his birth father.

Anyway, if it's just Republican smear attempts, then a Democrat is not the one suing for his official birth certificate to be released................on wait. IT IS. Why? And how could all you sensible people overlook that?

Quote from: sopranette on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:15:44
That's a little harsh, don't you think?

love,

Sopranette

No Sopranette, I've learned by watching KMV post that it's only wrong for conservatives to be harsh. Liberals can accuse any conservative of anything and it's cool. But let a conservative and they can call you insult, belittle -- whatever. What's funny about all this is that it's a DEMOCRAT leading the charge to make Obama produce an official birth certificate, but somehow liberals are calling it a Republican conspiracy. Sort of like blaming Republicans for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac even though it was Democrats who said everything was just fine when Republicans wanted things tightened up and gave warnings.

And the funny thing is that a Democrat pointed all that out as well. For those of you who are behind, watch President Clinton point out that Republicans wanted to tighten up on Freddie and Fannie but the Dems blocked it completely.


So there was Clinton reminding people of history while Democrats are still trying to blame Republicans and Bush even though they were the ones who warned about it and wanted to do something about it but Dems blocked it. Basically, if it makes Barack Hussein Obama look bad, it's a wild conspiracy theory. He's untouchable. That's how liberals think right now.

Quote from: admin on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 22:49:16

Quote from: sopranette on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:15:44
That's a little harsh, don't you think?

love,

Sopranette

No Sopranette, I've learned by watching KMV post that it's only wrong for conservatives to be harsh. Liberals can accuse any conservative of anything and it's cool. But let a conservative and they can call you insult, belittle -- whatever. What's funny about all this is that it's a DEMOCRAT leading the charge to make Obama produce an official birth certificate, but somehow liberals are calling it a Republican conspiracy....

Uh, pardon me.

I didn't say it was a Republican conspiracy, I said it was a moronic conspiracy.

I would like to believe that those two aren't identical.

The evidence of this thread to the contrary.

Quote from: sanctusivo on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 06:58:33

Quote from: Allegiance on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 06:51:31
He did change his name to Barack so that should not be on the birth certificate.

Got any proof for this assertion?

Proof? How about Barack himself? He was born "Barry", not "Barack". It's in his book. Did you read it?

Quote from: spurly on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:29:33

Quote from: phoebe on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:20:37
He was not born "Barack Hussein Obama II".

I don't think this is legitimate. Changing your name does not change your name on your birth certificate.

Bingo.

Yes it does... been there done that... you spend a $50 fee and you are issued a new birth certificate with the new name on it.  If you petitioned a judge to change your name, you get a new birth certificate.  I changed one of my kids names when he was 4 years old, his birth certificate now reflects that... it did as of 6 weeks after the judge gave the order and it was filed.

However, upon looking at the said document claimed and posted as his birth certificate, I say it's not.  It does NOT have a RAISED stamp on it anywhere... and the emblem of the state at the top is not what I am looking for. There should be a "RAISED" Stamp in the bottom right hand corner of that birth certificate and you have to have it even to get a Drivers license....   it would show, even in copy.. but they would know it wasn't certified... and Neither is that birth certificate.

Quote from: kensington on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 23:44:59
However, upon looking at the said document claimed and posted as his birth certificate, I say it's not.  It does NOT have a RAISED stamp on it anywhere... and the emblem of the state at the top is not what I am looking for. There should be a "RAISED" Stamp in the bottom right hand corner of that birth certificate and you have to have it even to get a Drivers license....   it would show, even in copy.. but they would know it wasn't certified... and Neither is that birth certificate.

How can you tell if it's raised or not from that graphic?

Quote from: admin on Fri Oct 10, 2008 - 00:32:15

Quote from: kensington on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 23:44:59
However, upon looking at the said document claimed and posted as his birth certificate, I say it's not.  It does NOT have a RAISED stamp on it anywhere... and the emblem of the state at the top is not what I am looking for. There should be a "RAISED" Stamp in the bottom right hand corner of that birth certificate and you have to have it even to get a Drivers license....   it would show, even in copy.. but they would know it wasn't certified... and Neither is that birth certificate.

How can you tell if it's raised or not from that graphic?

There is nothing there.. the state seal at the top is not what you are looking for. You are looking for the "Registers" seal (raised) that would have been put there when it was recorded in the hall of records for the health department.  I believe.  It would be at the bottom.  The state seal is not the same thing.  This one posted is missing any proof this document was ever registered with the office.

All birth certificates we have, and having given birth all over the country due to military service...  have the state seal at the top, as this does, but they also have that registers seal on it  also.  BOTH. 

Quote from: kensington on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 23:39:00

Quote from: spurly on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:29:33

Quote from: phoebe on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 12:20:37
He was not born "Barack Hussein Obama II".

I don't think this is legitimate. Changing your name does not change your name on your birth certificate.

Bingo.

Yes it does... been there done that... you spend a $50 fee and you are issued a new birth certificate with the new name on it.  If you petitioned a judge to change your name, you get a new birth certificate.  I changed one of my kids names when he was 4 years old, his birth certificate now reflects that... it did as of 6 weeks after the judge gave the order and it was filed.

That probably varies by state.

Nevertheless, important other features like the seal are missing.

Quote from: phoebe on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 23:37:06

Quote from: sanctusivo on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 06:58:33

Quote from: Allegiance on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 06:51:31
He did change his name to Barack so that should not be on the birth certificate.

Got any proof for this assertion?

Proof? How about Barack himself? He was born "Barry", not "Barack". It's in his book. Did you read it?

Have you read it? Cite the title of the book and the page referenced, please.

Quote from: sanctusivo on Fri Oct 10, 2008 - 07:39:12

Quote from: phoebe on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 23:37:06

Quote from: sanctusivo on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 06:58:33

Quote from: Allegiance on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 06:51:31
He did change his name to Barack so that should not be on the birth certificate.

Got any proof for this assertion?

Proof? How about Barack himself? He was born "Barry", not "Barack". It's in his book. Did you read it?

Have you read it? Cite the title of the book and the page referenced, please.

Sorry, I didn't buy it. I borrowed it from the library. I suggest you do the same.

Quote from: phoebe on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 23:37:06
Proof? How about Barack himself? He was born "Barry", not "Barack". It's in his book. Did you read it?

I'm pretty sure that 'Barry' was a nickname for 'Barack' - sort of like my husband being both Mike and Michael.

My husband's birth certificate says 'Michael' even though he was known as 'Mike' as a boy and young man. 

That's a pretty lame justification for implying the birth certificate is fake.  But you knew that.

In my opinion, only someone who is not a US citizen but trying to pass himself off as one would refuse to show his birth certificate, or his parents are from a country that is hostile to the US. I would thin, though, that he could easily get a fake birth certificate. With enough money you can get any fake ID you want.

Quote from: phoebe on Wed Oct 08, 2008 - 11:59:38
OK, so why won't he release info on his college years?
There are things he wants hidden, things the American people have a right and responsibility to know, things that most Americans won't know until it is too late because of a very biased media.
For evidence of a very biased media:
www.newsbusters.org  Check it out.

The days of liberal bias media are long gone, as there are networks and news agencies that cater to both sides.

Foxnews = Conservative
MSNBC = Liberal
CNSNews = Conservative
ABC= Liberal
Wall Street Journal = Conservative
New York Times = Liberal

CNN is the only News Network that has been called both Conservative and Liberal

But with the internet blogs, news, forums, etc., both sides are evenly matched.

Quote from: kmv on Fri Oct 10, 2008 - 23:00:31

Quote from: phoebe on Thu Oct 09, 2008 - 23:37:06
Proof? How about Barack himself? He was born "Barry", not "Barack". It's in his book. Did you read it?

I'm pretty sure that 'Barry' was a nickname for 'Barack' - sort of like my husband being both Mike and Michael.

My husband's birth certificate says 'Michael' even though he was known as 'Mike' as a boy and young man. 

That's what I thought. And in the book I have, "The Faith of Barack Obama" it says he was born as Barack and later was called Barry.

Quote from: admin on Mon Oct 13, 2008 - 12:16:20

The October Surprise? And this from a lifelong Demorat!

I hope the court puts this on the fast track and demands that he produce the legitimitate documents or drop out of the race.

He barely refers to a point that was brought up in more detail on a special I saw this weekend on CNN about the history presidential health (Fit to Lead)--that unlike McCain, Obama has refused to release his medical records to journalists.  No real reason is given.

Quote from: spurly on Mon Oct 13, 2008 - 12:58:00

Quote from: admin on Mon Oct 13, 2008 - 12:16:20

The October Surprise? And this from a lifelong Demorat!

I hope the court puts this on the fast track and demands that he produce the legitimitate documents or drop out of the race.

If the judge didn't get things going and an unqualified person got into the White House that judge would look very, very bad.

I find it fascinating that when they asked McCain he released everything to them. Birth certificate, medical records (which is why the media kept trying to scare people into thinking McCain is in bad health because of a skin cancer).

But Obama won't produce his medical records or his birth certificate. And no, a picture on a website is not proof. It doesn't take much beyond beginner skills to create something like that with cheap software. All Obama has to do is release his birth certificate to the judge. Still ironic that it's a Democrat filing suit to have him release his birth certificate.

Oh dear. It looks like this is very likely true. I wonder how this will affect the nation if it is true. The article cites that same Democrat from Pennsylvania who has sued Obama. All Obama has to do is give his birth certificate to the judge. What is he hiding?

Obama Born in Kenya According to Grandmother

Quote from: admin on Mon Oct 13, 2008 - 20:59:39
Oh dear. It looks like this is very likely true. I wonder how this will affect the nation if it is true. The article cites that same Democrat from Pennsylvania who has sued Obama. All Obama has to do is give his birth certificate to the judge. What is he hiding?

Obama Born in Kenya According to Grandmother

How will it affect the nation if it is true?  99% of the liberals won't care.

Quote from: admin on Mon Oct 13, 2008 - 20:59:39
Oh dear. It looks like this is very likely true. I wonder how this will affect the nation if it is true. The article cites that same Democrat from Pennsylvania who has sued Obama. All Obama has to do is give his birth certificate to the judge. What is he hiding?

Obama Born in Kenya According to Grandmother

FactCheck.org says this is already a done deal

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

"Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs."

It is all this kind of stuff that is hurting our candidate and not helping!  As evident by all the recent polls.  All the negative is backfiring and we need to stop it and deal with hardcore facts on why John's programs are better.  Besides, it is the way we as Christian should be approaching the subject matter anyways.  

FactCheck.org appears to be a pro-Obama entity and, therefore, has no credibility.

From article at Death by 1000 Papercuts

Finally, an interview with a major news group about this: http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail?contentId=7637353&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.14.1

Quote from: Mere Nick on Mon Oct 13, 2008 - 22:06:09
FactCheck.org appears to be a pro-Obama entity and, therefore, has no credibility.

From article at Death by 1000 Papercuts

He was on their board. Obama should just give the documents to the judge and stop all this nonsense if it's not true.

Quote from: admin on Mon Oct 13, 2008 - 20:59:39
Oh dear. It looks like this is very likely true. I wonder how this will affect the nation if it is true. The article cites that same Democrat from Pennsylvania who has sued Obama. All Obama has to do is give his birth certificate to the judge. What is he hiding?

Obama Born in Kenya According to Grandmother

I don't understand why this isn't making any NEWS here in America...  Whass up with the US anyway?  Get off the couch and find out!!