Christian Forums

DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE – AN ACTS OF REMOVING GOD’S ANCIENT LANDMARK IN OUR MODERN TIMES.

Proverbs 24:21; Isaiah 55:7; Malachi 2:14-16; Matthew 19:6; Revelation 22:18-19

God set landmarks in His word. The Bible doctrines are God’s ancient landmarks which God Himself has set. “My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, for as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.” That is why the Bible says: “My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that given to change”. If you tamper with God’s landmark you will slump into doctrinal compromise.

Divorce is a direct blow against who instituted Marriage. From the beginning, Adam & Eve did not have second choice, so God is not God of second choice in marriage .He hate divorce. Divorce close the door of reconciliation – 1Corinthians 7:11

Remarriage to another constitutes adultery, Romans 7:3; Luke 16:18; Proverbs 30:20; Mark 10:1-12; Matthew 5:31-32.

Divorce and remarriage are very common in the advanced nations, and it’s eaten deep at the fabric of Christianity in this modern times. Men and women are changing their commitment and consecration, God’s ancient landmark is being removed as a result of disobedient to God’s word but God never change Malachi 3:5-6

“Remove not the ancient landmarks which thy father’s have set” (Proverbs 22:28).

The worldly system has crept into the church of God as a result of political systems and compromising preacher in our modern times. When we do things in God’s way, we receive divine backing and good result ( this is getting the mind of Christ, not seeking our own ) 1John 2:6; Philippians 2:5 True Christians are only pilgrim on earth, God’s word is giving to us as the only final authority and only true guideline to follow. The Bible tell us clearly that the books will be opened for Genesis to Revelation and we will be judge by what God has written in those book…. And not by man’s interpretation.

In the Middle East churches, it is impossible to get divorce under any circumstances. If you happen to want a divorce, you will have to go to the Moslem court who will demand that you DENY Christ and accept Mohammed. Then, they will grant you a divorce and remarry you to a MOSLEM. But the Christian Court will not divorce and remarry anyone. If a person goes to the Moslem Court and denies Christ, then, he is a heretic and put out of the Christian Church. And if he dies, the church will not bury him. All the churches of all the denomination do their own marriages, and they don’t have to go to the Moslem (Government) Court, as they do in the advanced nations But the church do the whole work and register them in the church book and issue a legal marriage Certificate. And no Christian church will issue a divorce to anyone on any grounds whatever – except putting away for the cause of FORNICATION.

In view of God’s judgment, preachers must preach the whole counsel of God and made every member stand to it, we must preach strict disciplined in the church, not to turn the grace of God to lasciviousness. God is certainly LOVE… but the LOVE of God does not trample over the justice of God. Read John3:36

God called us unto holiness, and without holiness no man shall see the Lord(Hebrew 12:14). Judgment must first begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us, what will be end of those who know not God?–1Peters 4:17.

God is merciful, He is ready to forgive us and heals our land if will turn to Him today with humility and genuine repentance (2Chronicle 7:14, Proverbs 28:13; Ezekiel 18:30-33).

There is nothing like God of second chance in marriage. He is not a respecter of person. You can’t divorce and remarry. You can’t steal a car and continue to use it after repentance, you need to return it to the rightful owner – Restitution.

Marriage was instituted by God before God gave the law to Moses for him to teach the people of Israel . It was God that join a man and woman together not a court. Infact, court was not privy to man’s creation, the Creator and the Founder of marriage says “ ….He hates putting away…..” Malachi 2:16). Christ added ….” Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you , whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery; and whosoever marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. His disciples say unto him, if the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry .But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying…” (Matthew 19: 8-11a). But if you born of God, you will overcome this thing; “whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: for this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith” (1John 5:4).i.e. you must overcome sins(the works of the flesh), self(flesh and passions), Satan(temptation and its allurements), and the world(the lust of eyes and the pride of life), and live a life of self-crucifixion daily with absolute dependence on God’s grace daily before you can be a true child of God.

As a matter of fact, all that court does in marriage is a written witness that two people have agreed to join in Holy matrimony that is instituted by God for the spreading of the human race on earth. God does nor change His laws nor His standards for any one or any generation. His word still remains “ Whatever God has joined t ogether, let no man put asunder” A true born again child of God will not put asunder God’s ordained institution. The Ancient of days hates putting away!

In Matthew 19:1-8 – Moses permitting them to put away their wives did not receive the approval of Jesus. Neither did God tell Moses to go ahead and let them put asunder what I have put, and take another chance at it, and try to make the second marriage succeed.

Remarriage to another constitutes adultery. Romans 7:3; Luke 16:18; Proverbs 30:20; Mark 10:11-12.

Saving for the cause of fornication: Matthew 5:31-32; Matthew 19:9 – Jesus is dealing with one who has broken the law of espousal by fornication. Under the law of espousal they were already considered husband and wife before they came together (Deuteronomy 22: 25-26; Matthew 1:18-25 – The bridegroom had the option to put his espousal wife away when she was guilty of fornication. Joseph did as he was told, “and knew her not, till she brought forth her first son” (Matthew 1:25).

In 1Corinthians 7:15, 11 A brother or Sister have unbelieving companion can separate but remained unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. 1Corinthians 7:39-40; But if her husband died, she can remarry (she is free to do so Romans 7:3). Hence, when one commits adultery, they sin against the marriage vow and bed. But when one commits fornication, they sin against their own body (1Corinthians 6:19-20).

“ A house can change from a heaven to a hell when a child acquires a stepparent”. But God house is established on truth, laws and judgment which are part of the nature of God. God house is a holy place (our body is the temple of Holy Ghost ), the worshippers of God must live a holy life and abide in the God-given heavenly constitution (The Bible) to guide us on earth. 1Timothy 3:15; 2John9-11)

God is a God of orderliness. The combination of holiness, faith and prayer make a lethal weapon no enemy can face, the family that has it shall do exploits. ”Meditate upon these things: give thyself wholly to them that they may appear to all. Take heed to thyself and unto the doctrine: continue in them; for in this thou shalt both save thyself and them that hear thee”(1Timothy 4: 15-16). But for those who hold the truth of God in unrighteousness shall be judged.. 1Peter 4:16, 17-19; 3:4; 1peter 3:17; James 1:15-16; Romans 1:22-24; 1Corinthians 6:9; 15:33-34.

God’s judgment on whoredom Read: Leviticus 19:29; Deuteronomy 23:17-18; 22:13-30; Ezekiel 16:33-59; Ephesians 5:5-6; 1Timothy 1:9-10; Hebrews13:4; Revelation 21:8 “ “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband….” 2Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 19:7  

Akinbowale Isaac Adewumi

Yep, I see the post as right on.   

I believe the verse you quoted in 2 Corinthians 11:2 is referring to Paul's concern that people would be led astray, deceived by Satan, away from spiritual purity by fornicating (spiritually) with the world.  God is our Husband and our loyalty should be solely to Him.  This particular verse is not referring to marriage of a man and wife but of the marriage of Christ and His Bride--the church.     At least that's the way I interpret this particular passage of Scripture.   

11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Amen      trueblue

The excepton clause, except for adultery, is the word 'pornea' which can mean any kind of sexual immorality eg adultery, incest, homosexual immorality, fornication, and other forms of sexual sins. It doesnt just mean fornication during the betrothal period.
This word 'pornea', is used in The Bible in other places to describe other types of sexual sins apart from fornication, eg it is used to describe the sexual sins of sodom which as we know where homosexual sins.

I know that some do teach that this word only means fornication in the betrothal period, but most teachers teach that it means various sexual sins committed by a spouse with someone other than their husband/wife.

Thus sexual sins as described above are indeed a valid reason for a divorce if committed by your spouse.I do believe, by what I read in the Bible that this seems to be the only reason you can divorce if you are both Christians, but its definately there.

The physical act of sex seals the covenant of marriage and the same act with some one other than your spouse breaks that covenant and thus you are free to divorce unless you are able to take your spouse back and start again if that is what you want.   

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 22:30:30
The excepton clause, except for adultery, is the word 'pornea' which can mean any kind of sexual immorality eg adultery, incest, homosexual immorality, fornication, and other forms of sexual sins. It doesnt just mean fornication during the betrothal period.
This word 'pornea', is used in The Bible in other places to describe other types of sexual sins apart from fornication, eg it is used to describe the sexual sins of sodom which as we know where homosexual sins.

I know that some do teach that this word only means fornication in the betrothal period, but most teachers teach that it means various sexual sins committed by a spouse with someone other than their husband/wife.

Thus sexual sins as described above are indeed a valid reason for a divorce if committed by your spouse.I do believe, by what I read in the Bible that this seems to be the only reason you can divorce if you are both Christians, but its definately there.

The physical act of sex seals the covenant of marriage and the same act with some one other than your spouse breaks that covenant and thus you are free to divorce unless you are able to take your spouse back and start again if that is what you want.  

I agree.  I think abandonment may be another just cause for divorce.

Yes, I think abandonment by a non Christian of a christian is a just cause for divorce, but not sure of a Christian abandoning another Christian?I guess if they abandon their spouse they may well committ adultery or want to remarry at some point, so then the abandoned spouse would be free anyway.

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Sep 10, 2008 - 07:00:57
Yes, I think abandonment by a non Christian of a christian is a just cause for divorce, but not sure of a Christian abandoning another Christian?I guess if they abandon their spouse they may well committ adultery or want to remarry at some point, so then the abandoned spouse would be free anyway.

I think they're obviously into no good and you are probably right.

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 22:30:30
The physical act of sex seals the covenant of marriage and the same act with some one other than your spouse breaks that covenant and thus you are free to divorce unless you are able to take your spouse back and start again if that is what you want.   

So...if the physical act of sex seals the covenant of marriage...then the lack of sex in a marriage can "unseal" the marriage covenant and make it okay for a Christian couple to divorce--even if they've been married awhile?     

Hardly.................the sex act was always a sign of the marriage in the old testament and still applies today.
Lack of sex is convered in another Bible verse ie do not deprive each other of it

A man and wife, are not supposed to withhold sex from each other except for times of prayer. If one of them does this, or uses sex in a controlling way that is WRONG, but it doesnt break the convenant as does having sex with someone outside the marriage. They are still married but obviously something needs to be sorted if the lack of sex isnt to continue.

I know of someone who decided after their second child was born, that they didnt want any more children and therefore no longer wanted to share a room with their husband or to have sex ever again, and then wondered why years later that man had an affair. duh. pretty obvious I would have thought. That was in the days when no one got divorced and they just lived separate unhappy lives in the same house.Sad.

The woman may have had other reasons for avoiding intimacy with her husband.  There are other methods of birth control that could have used besides abstinence.    Her husband could have been a selfish lover, or as in another topic on this forum, a woman had no desire towards her husband, because he had battled cancer.  Various illnesses can cause a lack of desire, as well.    If someone seeks a relationship outside the marriage, there's a lot more going on in their marriage besides the issue of lack of sex.     No one knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Quote from: Akinbowale on Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 05:27:24
Remarriage to another constitutes adultery, Romans 7:3; Luke 16:18; Proverbs 30:20; Mark 10:1-12; Matthew 5:31-32.

And no Christian church will issue a divorce to anyone on any grounds whatever – except putting away for the cause of FORNICATION.

Question.  If a divorce is issued by the Christian court due to fornication, is the person then allowed to remarry?

Quote from: trueblue on Wed Sep 10, 2008 - 13:33:51
The woman may have had other reasons for avoiding intimacy with her husband.  There are other methods of birth control that could have used besides abstinence.    Her husband could have been a selfish lover, or as in another topic on this forum, a woman had no desire towards her husband, because he had battled cancer.  Various illnesses can cause a lack of desire, as well.    If someone seeks a relationship outside the marriage, there's a lot more going on in their marriage besides the issue of lack of sex.     No one knows what goes on behind closed doors.

I do know this person I spoke about very well, she is a member of my husbands family, and none of the above apply to her. All she wanted were her sons (didnt want daughters) and when she had them she wasnt interested in her husband anymore. He had served his purpose. She then transferred all of her emotional needs on to her sons who have suffered as a result and even though they are now middle aged, she has never let them go..............The older one always felt like her surrogate husband, something a child should never have to deal with. Not surprising if her husband had an affair really, if she wouldnt have sex with him for about 20 years! Doesnt make it right, but understandable surely.

Well, I disagree with so much of the OP that I don't know where to start.  Marriage is not an indissoluble, unbreakable union; rather, Jesus noted that even marriages joined together by God run the risk of being broken apart - thus the command to not tear apart what God has joined together.

Furthermore, Jesus did not disagree with Moses, but fully endorsed the Mosaic Law including the bill of divorce.  Jesus said that not one jot or title would pass from the Law until heaven and earth pass away.  In fact, Jesus is the Word that inspired Moses to legislate the bill of divorce. 

Sadly, because most Gentiles do not understand the Jewish culture, much less the ancient near-eastern cultures, they misunderstand what Jesus said within/from/to His Jewish culture.

I covered many things on this topic at:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,20182.0.html

BTW, recognizing that marriage is dissoluble (breakable) does not mean that I in any way think marriage is disposable.  Rather, which does one treat with more honor and respect a priceless solid gold artifact, or a priceless fragile China vase?  The China vase of course.  Why?  Because it is "fragile"!

Well, anyhow, if you're interested in the doctrine of MDR, I hope you'll take time to review the other thread.

Blessings,
Sherman

Quote from: Sherman Nobles on Wed Sep 10, 2008 - 18:07:34
Well, I disagree with so much of the OP that I don't know where to start.  Marriage is not an indissoluble, unbreakable union; rather, Jesus noted that even marriages joined together by God run the risk of being broken apart - thus the command to not tear apart what God has joined together.

Furthermore, Jesus did not disagree with Moses, but fully endorsed the Mosaic Law including the bill of divorce.  Jesus said that not one jot or title would pass from the Law until heaven and earth pass away.  In fact, Jesus is the Word that inspired Moses to legislate the bill of divorce. 

Sadly, because most Gentiles do not understand the Jewish culture, much less the ancient near-eastern cultures, they misunderstand what Jesus said within/from/to His Jewish culture.

I covered many things on this topic at:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,20182.0.html

BTW, recognizing that marriage is dissoluble (breakable) does not mean that I in any way think marriage is disposable.  Rather, which does one treat with more honor and respect a priceless solid gold artifact, or a priceless fragile China vase?  The China vase of course.  Why?  Because it is "fragile"!

Well, anyhow, if you're interested in the doctrine of MDR, I hope you'll take time to review the other thread.

Blessings,
Sherman

Sherman I truly cherish your insight and understanding in this whole matter- God Bless!

THE FOUNDATION OF GOD'S WORD: REMEDIES FOR MARITAL'S PROBLEMS

Deuteronomy 8:3; Joshua 1:8; Psalm 1:1-3; Deuteronomy 6:6-9; Genesis 18:19; Matthew 7:24-27.

 

The Word of God is indispensable because it contains regulations, principles and precepts needed to run the human life successfully.  No family can have a meaningful peaceful existence without exclusive reliance on God's Word.  The World  is a sea of troubles and only in the word of God can we find the principles of how to navigate through it all.  Any family that desires security, joy and eternal life must be firmly established on and controlled by God's Word, not the words of the elders, logical reasoning and philosophical rationalizations.

          The first step to placing family firmly on the foundation of God's Word is to heed the most strident of its calls.  That is the call unto reconciliation and salvation (John 3:3,16; Matthew 11:28-30; Acts 2:38).  The family should strive to get all its members saved. An unsaved member in the family is a threat to its all-round peace, purity and prosperity  (Joshua 7:1,5,7-11).  Once saved, the family should treasure God's Word highly.  It should study it,  teach the children about it and practise all it says. (Deuteronomy 6:6-9; Genesis 18:19; 1 John 3:9). 
God created us in His own image, and put His lovein us. The love of God in us make us to be different from other Animals. So will can love our spouse sacrificially as Christ our Lord love us. By this agape love, Christ died for us when we are still in sin, and this mind must be in us as in Christ Jesus. Otherwise, it will be difficult to live eternally with God(The perfect Architect of marriage), A preacher once said "if marriage are made in heaven, man has to be responsible for the maintenance" ---- Kroebler N" Even ews
For the sake of Heaven, let us live by God's word in our marriage.

           

Here's a little levity to lighten the moment.  I received this in my e-mail this morning.   

On their way to get married, a young Catholic couple is involved in a fatal car accident. The couple find themselves sitting outside the Pearly Gates waiting for St. Peter to process them into Heaven. While waiting, they begin to wonder: Could they possibly get married in Heaven? When St. Peter showed up, they asked him.

St. Peter says, 'I don't know. This is the first time anyone has asked. Let me go find out,' and he leaves. The couple sat and waited, and waited. Two months passed and the couple is still waiting. As they waited, they discussed that IF they were allowed to get married in Heaven, what was the eternal aspect of it all.

'What if it doesn't work?' they wondered, 'Are we stuck together FOREVER?'

After yet another month, St. Peter finally returns, looking somewhat bedraggled. 'Yes,' he informs the couple, 'you CAN get married in Heaven. ' 'Great!' said the couple, 'But we were just wondering, what if things don't work out? Could we also get a divorce in Heaven?'

St. Peter, red-faced with anger, slams his clipboard onto the ground. What's wrong?' asked the frightened couple.

OH, COME ON!' St. Peter shouts, 'It took me three months to find a priest up here! Do you have ANY idea how long it'll take me to find a LAWYER!

-------------------------
Okay...I'm done.   

Quote from: trueblue on Thu Sep 11, 2008 - 08:22:25
Here's a little levity to lighten the moment.  I received this in my e-mail this morning.   

On their way to get married, a young Catholic couple is involved in a fatal car accident. The couple find themselves sitting outside the Pearly Gates waiting for St. Peter to process them into Heaven. While waiting, they begin to wonder: Could they possibly get married in Heaven? When St. Peter showed up, they asked him.

St. Peter says, 'I don't know. This is the first time anyone has asked. Let me go find out,' and he leaves. The couple sat and waited, and waited. Two months passed and the couple is still waiting. As they waited, they discussed that IF they were allowed to get married in Heaven, what was the eternal aspect of it all.

'What if it doesn't work?' they wondered, 'Are we stuck together FOREVER?'

After yet another month, St. Peter finally returns, looking somewhat bedraggled. 'Yes,' he informs the couple, 'you CAN get married in Heaven. ' 'Great!' said the couple, 'But we were just wondering, what if things don't work out? Could we also get a divorce in Heaven?'

St. Peter, red-faced with anger, slams his clipboard onto the ground. What's wrong?' asked the frightened couple.

OH, COME ON!' St. Peter shouts, 'It took me three months to find a priest up here! Do you have ANY idea how long it'll take me to find a LAWYER!

-------------------------
Okay...I'm done.   

Quote from: trueblue on Thu Sep 11, 2008 - 08:22:25
Here's a little levity to lighten the moment.  I received this in my e-mail this morning.   

On their way to get married, a young Catholic couple is involved in a fatal car accident. The couple find themselves sitting outside the Pearly Gates waiting for St. Peter to process them into Heaven. While waiting, they begin to wonder: Could they possibly get married in Heaven? When St. Peter showed up, they asked him.

St. Peter says, 'I don't know. This is the first time anyone has asked. Let me go find out,' and he leaves. The couple sat and waited, and waited. Two months passed and the couple is still waiting. As they waited, they discussed that IF they were allowed to get married in Heaven, what was the eternal aspect of it all.

'What if it doesn't work?' they wondered, 'Are we stuck together FOREVER?'

After yet another month, St. Peter finally returns, looking somewhat bedraggled. 'Yes,' he informs the couple, 'you CAN get married in Heaven. ' 'Great!' said the couple, 'But we were just wondering, what if things don't work out? Could we also get a divorce in Heaven?'

St. Peter, red-faced with anger, slams his clipboard onto the ground. What's wrong?' asked the frightened couple.

OH, COME ON!' St. Peter shouts, 'It took me three months to find a priest up here! Do you have ANY idea how long it'll take me to find a LAWYER!

-------------------------
Okay...I'm done.   

     

 
Hello

Yes i believe that GOD hates this sin.  GOD never attended for divorce but because he didn't want to destroy Israel he wink at the sin.  I know God hates all sin, but this is the only sin you can against the body. 

Do you know after the Resurrection that we will not be married or given into marriage?

Just shows us what a worm we are, forgetting GOD made man out of dust.
And he doesn't need us to have babies for him, only this was brought on by sin.

Quote from: LOVE2DAY on Sat Dec 20, 2008 - 16:39:45

Hello

Yes i believe that GOD hates this sin.  GOD never attended for divorce but because he didn't want to destroy Israel he wink at the sin.  I know God hates all sin, but this is the only sin you can against the body. 

Do you know after the Resurrection that we will not be married or given into marriage?

Just shows us what a worm we are, forgetting GOD made man out of dust.
And he doesn't need us to have babies for him, only this was brought on by sin.

So God doesnt want us to have babies for him? So how would the human race have surived then?

Divorce is not a sin against the body, sexual sin is, but not divorce.
of course we will not be married in heaven, but we are to marry here on earth. God made man and women, God made them to marry and have children.Marriage is good and Godly.

Sherman, I like your post   

.

Quote from: Hehealedme on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 00:46:53

QuoteTopic: DIVORCE & REMARRIAGE  (Read 1262 times)

Wow!...this thread alone has been read 1262 times and there are only 2 pages of it?!...unbelievable!...

For weeks now I have been listening to hundreds of sermons that I have downloaded and burned on CDs so I could listen to what is preached about this subject and I am STILL not convinced that God would accept that a man or a woman that has been faithful to  his/her  husband/wife  to marry someone else after having gone through a divorce...

Malachi 2:16
"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel,''

God didn't say that he used to hate divorce and that He now finds it tolerable, he says it plainly... ''I hate divorce,'' ...He doesn't seem to have changed His mind since then...

what about the part where jesus tells us that if our spouse has committed 'pornea' which means sexual immorality, we are allowed to divorce? Of course God doesnt like divorce, I mean who does?It is horrible, painful and affects may people, but it is the sin that causes the breaking of the covenant that is the sin and not the divorce itself. If someone divorces someone else for no real reason then I agree that is wrong, but it is allowed for certain reasons.The Bible is clear on that.

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 07:13:10

Quote from: Hehealedme on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 00:46:53

QuoteTopic: DIVORCE & REMARRIAGE  (Read 1262 times)

Wow!...this thread alone has been read 1262 times and there are only 2 pages of it?!...unbelievable!...

For weeks now I have been listening to hundreds of sermons that I have downloaded and burned on CDs so I could listen to what is preached about this subject and I am STILL not convinced that God would accept that a man or a woman that has been faithful to  his/her  husband/wife  to marry someone else after having gone through a divorce...

Malachi 2:16
"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel,''

God didn't say that he used to hate divorce and that He now finds it tolerable, he says it plainly... ''I hate divorce,'' ...He doesn't seem to have changed His mind since then...

what about the part where jesus tells us that if our spouse has committed 'pornea' which means sexual immorality, we are allowed to divorce? Of course God doesnt like divorce, I mean who does?It is horrible, painful and affects may people, but it is the sin that causes the breaking of the covenant that is the sin and not the divorce itself. If someone divorces someone else for no real reason then I agree that is wrong, but it is allowed for certain reasons.The Bible is clear on that.

I agree we have a couple of reasons for divorce but what about remarriage.

Quote from: Bonnie on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 07:40:46

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 07:13:10

Quote from: Hehealedme on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 00:46:53

QuoteTopic: DIVORCE & REMARRIAGE  (Read 1262 times)

Wow!...this thread alone has been read 1262 times and there are only 2 pages of it?!...unbelievable!...

For weeks now I have been listening to hundreds of sermons that I have downloaded and burned on CDs so I could listen to what is preached about this subject and I am STILL not convinced that God would accept that a man or a woman that has been faithful to  his/her  husband/wife  to marry someone else after having gone through a divorce...

Malachi 2:16
"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel,''

God didn't say that he used to hate divorce and that He now finds it tolerable, he says it plainly... ''I hate divorce,'' ...He doesn't seem to have changed His mind since then...

what about the part where jesus tells us that if our spouse has committed 'pornea' which means sexual immorality, we are allowed to divorce? Of course God doesnt like divorce, I mean who does?It is horrible, painful and affects may people, but it is the sin that causes the breaking of the covenant that is the sin and not the divorce itself. If someone divorces someone else for no real reason then I agree that is wrong, but it is allowed for certain reasons.The Bible is clear on that.

I agree we have a couple of reasons for divorce but what about remarriage.

Jesus says that if we divorce for the right Biblical reasons we do not committ adultery by remarrying. Those in the time that Jesus came would almost certainly remarry becuase women had no other means of support themselves.
As far as I understand it divorce for the right reasons is the ending of a marriage. If the marriage is ended it is no more and finished.
If someone is divorced they are single and not bound, and are therefore free to remarry.
 

I have been trying very hard to see what you've said but I don't no matter how much I would like to.
Apostle Paul says that if either, the one put away or the one that put away remarries they commit adultery.
We have a very good friend going through this right now. His wife ran off with another man.  He's afraid of doing wrong so he does nothing.  It's very sad.  The denomination says, he cannot but I really don't care what they say as it's just their interpretation. However I can't come to any kind of conclusion based on what people say.  It seems Paul is saying no.

Quote from: Bonnie on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 18:55:21
I have been trying very hard to see what you've said but I don't no matter how much I would like to.
Apostle Paul says that if either, the one put away or the one that put away remarries they commit adultery.
We have a very good friend going through this right now. His wife ran off with another man.  He's afraid of doing wrong so he does nothing.  It's very sad.  The denomination says, he cannot but I really don't care what they say as it's just their interpretation. However I can't come to any kind of conclusion based on what people say.  It seems Paul is saying no.

Jesus says himself that if you put away (divorce) for sexual immorality you are not committing adultery if you remarry.

Also read 1 cor 7 v 26, it is very enlightening indeed.
"Are you bound to a wife?, do not seek to be free. Are you freed from a wife? do not seek a wife. But if you do marry, you do not sin in doing so, and of a virgin marries, she does not sin in doing so."
To me this is clear, if we are loosed from a spouse (divorced) we do NOT sin by remarrying.

I have studied all of this in depth and listened to many teachings and God clearly led me to remarry after both my previous husband and my husbands previous wife both committed sexual immorality. Whether they are allowed to remarry is up to them, but neither of them have as yet. There are consequenses to sin, and the fact that they are both now alone maybe one of them.
I think that actually it is sad that so much false comdemnation has been put on those who God has given a second chance and a New Beginning.
However Bonnie I respect you and we all have to do what we feel is right having spent time with God and allowed Him to lead us. For me the right thing was to remarry this man who God clearly bought into my life and with whom I have a very good godly and very blessed marriage. It is not good for man to be alone that is true.

.

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 03:11:52

Quote from: Bonnie on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 18:55:21
I have been trying very hard to see what you've said but I don't no matter how much I would like to.
Apostle Paul says that if either, the one put away or the one that put away remarries they commit adultery.
We have a very good friend going through this right now. His wife ran off with another man.  He's afraid of doing wrong so he does nothing.  It's very sad.  The denomination says, he cannot but I really don't care what they say as it's just their interpretation. However I can't come to any kind of conclusion based on what people say.  It seems Paul is saying no.

Jesus says himself that if you put away (divorce) for sexual immorality you are not committing adultery if you remarry.

Also read 1 cor 7 v 26, it is very enlightening indeed.
"Are you bound to a wife?, do not seek to be free. Are you freed from a wife? do not seek a wife. But if you do marry, you do not sin in doing so, and of a virgin marries, she does not sin in doing so."
To me this is clear, if we are loosed from a spouse (divorced) we do NOT sin by remarrying.

I have studied all of this in depth and listened to many teachings and God clearly led me to remarry after both my previous husband and my husbands previous wife both committed sexual immorality. Whether they are allowed to remarry is up to them, but neither of them have as yet. There are consequenses to sin, and the fact that they are both now alone maybe one of them.
I think that actually it is sad that so much false comdemnation has been put on those who God has given a second chance and a New Beginning.
However Bonnie I respect you and we all have to do what we feel is right having spent time with God and allowed Him to lead us. For me the right thing was to remarry this man who God clearly bought into my life and with whom I have a very good godly and very blessed marriage. It is not good for man to be alone that is true.

We do have reasons for divorce. That's very plain. What isn't so plain to me is the remarriage.  I've studied and prayed about the verses you posted many times.
Please, I don't want to get personal. I know that you didn't make decisions without consulting God.  I'm not saying that if a person remarries that they are sinning in every case.  But this guy is a Preacher and they will take away his license to preach.  He can still be a member but preaching is very important to him.  I know one thing if they are advising him wrongfully, they'll pay a high price for doing so.  That's why I don't advise Christians in this.  I would never want to give wrong advise either way. 

Hehealedme, I thought I was replying to Chosenone. 
I understand how you feel as you well know by my post.  I have friends in church who have been through a divorce and remarriage. They feel absolutely fine about it.  Please just let the Lord advise you and don't pay too much attention to my ramblings.  I'm just talking through this, hoping and praying for an answer.  If I get one, then I would stand firm on it.

Quote from: Bonnie on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 07:33:32

Quote from: chosenone on Tue Feb 24, 2009 - 03:11:52

Quote from: Bonnie on Mon Feb 23, 2009 - 18:55:21
I have been trying very hard to see what you've said but I don't no matter how much I would like to.
Apostle Paul says that if either, the one put away or the one that put away remarries they commit adultery.
We have a very good friend going through this right now. His wife ran off with another man.  He's afraid of doing wrong so he does nothing.  It's very sad.  The denomination says, he cannot but I really don't care what they say as it's just their interpretation. However I can't come to any kind of conclusion based on what people say.  It seems Paul is saying no.

Jesus says himself that if you put away (divorce) for sexual immorality you are not committing adultery if you remarry.

Also read 1 cor 7 v 26, it is very enlightening indeed.
"Are you bound to a wife?, do not seek to be free. Are you freed from a wife? do not seek a wife. But if you do marry, you do not sin in doing so, and of a virgin marries, she does not sin in doing so."
To me this is clear, if we are loosed from a spouse (divorced) we do NOT sin by remarrying.

I have studied all of this in depth and listened to many teachings and God clearly led me to remarry after both my previous husband and my husbands previous wife both committed sexual immorality. Whether they are allowed to remarry is up to them, but neither of them have as yet. There are consequenses to sin, and the fact that they are both now alone maybe one of them.
I think that actually it is sad that so much false comdemnation has been put on those who God has given a second chance and a New Beginning.
However Bonnie I respect you and we all have to do what we feel is right having spent time with God and allowed Him to lead us. For me the right thing was to remarry this man who God clearly bought into my life and with whom I have a very good godly and very blessed marriage. It is not good for man to be alone that is true.

We do have reasons for divorce. That's very plain. What isn't so plain to me is the remarriage.  I've studied and prayed about the verses you posted many times.
Please, I don't want to get personal. I know that you didn't make decisions without consulting God.  I'm not saying that if a person remarries that they are sinning in every case.  But this guy is a Preacher and they will take away his license to preach.  He can still be a member but preaching is very important to him.  I know one thing if they are advising him wrongfully, they'll pay a high price for doing so.  That's why I don't advise Christians in this.  I would never want to give wrong advise either way. 

I know some very good and excellent preachers who are either divorced or have married a divorced person and my pastor is going out with a lady who is divorced (he is widowed). What a terrible shame if they are not allowed to fulfill their life calling just becuase some others Christians say that they cannot.
Its fine with me that others wont remarry if they have had the misfortune to be divorced, that is their decision but I do think it is sad. I am totallly and 100% at peace about remarrying, and always have been from the moment I met the man I knew was to be my husband.God restored to me a husband and to my children a father. it clearly says in the Bible that we do not sin by remarrying as I said previously.God puts the lonely in families and restores to us all that we have lost.

Chosenone, I do respect your opinion.  I'll be praying about it.

God Bless

What about the case where  a christian leaves another christian (for non adultry cases) and the christian who was left remarrys.  I guess if they left there spouse maybe it could be argued that they were not a christian?  But lets assume they are would you have to ask for forgivness one time when you remarryed or would you have to ask for forgivness every single day in that new marriage?  We are kind of left in the dark on situations like this.

Quote from: rppearso on Sun Apr 26, 2009 - 03:21:48
What about the case where  a christian leaves another christian (for non adultry cases) and the christian who was left remarrys.  I guess if they left there spouse maybe it could be argued that they were not a christian?  But lets assume they are would you have to ask for forgivness one time when you remarryed or would you have to ask for forgivness every single day in that new marriage?  We are kind of left in the dark on situations like this.

My husbands ex wife divorced him for no Biblical reason, but she committed adultery during the divorce anyway, so he was free to remarry.He didnt want the divorce but what would be the pointof fighting it if the other person has made up their mnd? if you are divorced by your spouse and you have  committed no sexual sin, you dont have a lot of choice in the matter so I cant see how God could hold it against you. I guess this woudl be a type of abandonment.