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Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 00:55:49
Don't take me for a fool Selene. I am a simple man but I know when people try to change the subject at hand to avoid acknowledging the truth by assaulting with questions.

Your circus act does not amuse anyone.

Visionless, if you can't explain what you post in the other thread, I'm not surprise that you can't even answer a SIMPLE "yes" or "no" question.  Yes, I agree with you when you say that you are a simple man.  

Is that the best attempt to insult you can come up with Selene?

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 01:25:51
Is that the best attempt to insult you can come up with Selene?

The truth about you hurts, doesn't it?  You come in a Catholic forum board and accuse the Catholic Church of FORCING our priests not to marry.  Nevermind the fact, that it was the Catholic priest who made the choice and the vow to remain single when he first joined the priesthood.  Your intention here was never to have any meaningful dialogue with us.  It's not enough that we believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.  Oh no!  We have to follow YOUR doctrines.  You say that the Catholic Church should allow priests to marry and serve at the altar as priests.  And who are YOU to impose this policy on us?  Do you see me or any Catholic going into a Protestant forum board saying "Shame on you Protestants for allowing your pastors to get married?  You say you care about us because you want us to be saved?  How?  By following YOUR doctrines?  It's not enough that we Catholics already believe in Jesus Christ as God and Savior?  So, what more do you want?  To follow YOU?  You can't even explain what you post, and you want us to follow what you say?    

Quote from: Selene on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 20:01:27

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 16:00:44
The Great Baptizmo bows to Jesus Christ and not the papacy.   The Great Baptizmo says forbidding marriage among clergy is clearly a doctrine of demons.

How is it a doctrine of demons?  Explain.

Even after it was all explained to you Selene you think it was an accusation. SAD.

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 02:05:03

Quote from: Selene on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 20:01:27

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 16:00:44
The Great Baptizmo bows to Jesus Christ and not the papacy.   The Great Baptizmo says forbidding marriage among clergy is clearly a doctrine of demons.

How is it a doctrine of demons?  Explain.

Even after it was all explained to you Selene you think it was an accusation. SAD.

You explained it by calling it a doctrine of demons?  SO SAD coming from you.  You judge being "single" a doctrine of demons and you can't explain yourself when we told you that St. Paul and Jesus said that it was okay to be single.  Your explaination was three words...doctrine of demons.  And what was the Catholics' explaination?  We explained it using biblical verses from St. Paul and Jesus.  And we also disputed your doctrine of demons by showing you that a Catholic Church NEVER forced anyone not to marry.  As a matter of fact, we perform marriages every day.  If you looked back, our explaination was much more than 3 sentences.  I even explained to you that we were called to something much better than marriage between man and woman.  SO SAD for you!  

  Ya keep kickin against the goads Selene bashin your head against a brick wall will get you no where. Remember what promises I shared with you. Everything you need for understanding is in this topic. The Catholic churches requirement for its priests is heresy!

BEHOLD, below is the Great Baptizmo judging Catholics as having a "doctrine of demons."  And behold is Angelos reply to this doctrine of demons:  

Quote from: Angelos on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 21:00:02

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 20:52:50

Quote from: Selene on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 20:01:27

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Thu Sep 23, 2010 - 16:00:44
The Great Baptizmo bows to Jesus Christ and not the papacy.   The Great Baptizmo says forbidding marriage among clergy is clearly a doctrine of demons.

How is it a doctrine of demons?  Explain.

God's Word says so.

1 Tim 4

1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,  2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,  3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

Actually Eastern Catholic priests can and do get married. Not being married is not a Catholic dogma for priests. There are no Catholics who forbid marriage. Being a Roman Catholic priest is a choice. A priest can quit being a priest and get married or he can choose to be a priest and not get married. Same thing with being a monk.

And now, BEHOLD, look at Great Baptizmo's reply to Angelo's answer:  

QuoteFrom Great Baptizmo:  Angelos did some ducking and dodging.  It is a dogma that priests should not be married.  There is a difference between saying it is good, and making it a requirement.    The Catholic Church does indeed forbid marriage.  "If you want to make a choice to become a priest, you will not marry."  That is forbidding marriage.  Doctrine of Demons.  Period.

As far as the EOC goes, I didn't even mention them.  Don't consider them "The Catholic Church."  

You see, this kind of reply?  We're the ones who are Catholics...and people like YOU and Great Baptizmo think you know more about Catholism than us?  What's wrong with that picture?  DUH!  The TRUTH is revealed.    When we say that it's not a dogma.  We get this kind of reply telling us "Oh no!  It is indeed dogma.  You guys do forbid marriage.  It is doctrine of demons"  DUH!

And now BEHOLD, let us take a look at Angelo's reply to the Great Baptizmo:  

QuoteFrom Angelo:  Baptizmo, I was not referring to the EOC (Orthodox) I was referring to the Eastern Catholic Churches. These are Catholics, in full communion with Rome, who live in Eastern Europe, North Africa, and the middle East.

As per wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches#Clerical_celibacy

"The Eastern Catholic Churches are... Churches in full communion with the Bishop of Rome—the Pope. They preserve some of the centuries-old liturgical, devotional, and theological traditions of the various Eastern Christian Churches they were once associated with. Although the Churches they formerly were associated with are not all in communion with one another, the Eastern Catholic Churches are in communion with each other and with the Latin or Western Church. However, they vary in theological emphasis, forms of liturgical worship and popular piety, canonical discipline and terminology. They all recognize the central role of the Bishop of Rome within the College of Bishops and his infallibility when speaking ex cathedra. The communion of the members of these Churches with the Church of Rome means that they are out of communion with the other Eastern Christian Churches, which in general do not admit them to receive the Eucharist and the other sacraments."

Eastern and Western Catholic churches have different traditions concerning clerical celibacy. These differences and the resulting controversies have played a role in the relationship between the two groups in some Western countries.

Most Eastern Churches distinguish between "monastic" and "non-monastic" clergy. Monastics do not necessarily live as monks or in monasteries, but have spent at least part of their period of training in such a context. Their monastic vows include a vow of celibate chastity.

Bishops are normally selected from the monastic clergy, and in most Eastern Catholic Churches a large percentage of priests and deacons also are celibate, while a portion of the clergy (typically, parish priests) may be married."

The Roman Catholic Church is just the biggest part of the Catholic Church, not all of it. The fact that Catholic Churches are allowedto have non-celibate priests is proof that it is not a dogma, but a tradition that, as the Pope has said, can change.

You don't seem very knowledgeable about the Catholic Church...next time to avoid embarassing yourself stop pretending knowing things you don't

Now, let's take a look at YOU!  Below are posts between me and Lighthammer:  

Quote from: LightHammer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 - 19:04:53

Quote from: Selene on Fri Sep 24, 2010 - 18:51:08

Quote from: LightHammer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 - 18:38:09
And the Catholic Church does not have the authority to forbade a priest from following God's very first commandment. His very first charge to Adam and Eve

The Catholic Church does not forbid a priest from marriage.  The priest knows that if he wants to marry, he will leave the priesthood and marry the woman of his dreams.    

To be an ordained priest in my Church you must adhere to a higher standard and discipline by forsaking all partners and devoting your life entirely to God.

That sounds all fine and dandy but a man and a woman are a complete set. God said so Himself. When a man leaves his home he is to find himself a woman and become whole. The relationship between a man and woman unified under the hand of God is akin to a great bridge and its foundation. One can not flourish fully unless they are paired with God's chosen whole and for every man that chosen whole lies with a woman. God's bride is being prepared by those who have been commissioned to help gather her up.

What you have in the Catholic Church is incomplete parts, powerful disciplined righteous parts leading a mass that would be far better off if it leaders were complete and whole.

Now, BEHOLD!  Look at YOUR response to the above conversation:  

Quote from: Visionary on Fri Sep 24, 2010 - 19:18:03

Quote from: LightHammer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 - 19:04:53

Quote from: Selene on Fri Sep 24, 2010 - 18:51:08

Quote from: LightHammer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 - 18:38:09
And the Catholic Church does not have the authority to forbade a priest from following God's very first commandment. His very first charge to Adam and Eve

The Catholic Church does not forbid a priest from marriage.  The priest knows that if he wants to marry, he will leave the priesthood and marry the woman of his dreams.    

To be an ordained priest in my Church you must adhere to a higher standard and discipline by forsaking all partners and devoting your life entirely to God.

That sounds all fine and dandy but a man and a woman are a complete set. God said so Himself. When a man leaves his home he is to find himself a woman and become whole. The relationship between a man and woman unified under the hand of God is akin to a great bridge and its foundation. One can not flourish fully unless they are paired with God's chosen whole and for every man that chosen whole lies with a woman. God's bride is being prepared by those who have been commissioned to help gather her up.

What you have in the Catholic Church is incomplete parts, powerful disciplined righteous parts leading a mass that would be far better off if it leaders were complete and whole.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

Catholics??? What rights do you have? 1Corinthians 9:1-6 Who said, If you marry you cannot be a priest?

That kind of wisdom does not come from God!!!

YOUR response is what I placed in bold.  Does this look like a civilized conversation?  YOU were the one who said "This kind of wisdom does not come from God!"  You wrote a total of 4 sentences in your response and absolutely no explaination of why you say that "this kind of wisdom does not come from God."  Your 4 sentence comment is the same as the Great Baptizmo's "doctrine of demons" post where it had only 1 sentence.  The Truth about you is revealed.    Angelos even explained in his post that a portion of the Catholic clergy may marry.  In one of my posts, I also mentioned that my deacon was married.  And this is the reply that we get?  

I rest my case.  

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 02:20:05
Ya keep kickin against the goads Selene bashin your head against a brick wall will get you no where. Remember what promises I shared with you. Everything you need for understanding is in this topic. The Catholic churches requirement for its priests is heresy!

Now you have proven yourself to be a liar.

You have been shown the Truth several times, but you insist on posting lies.

What do you hope to accomplish by your sins?

A bunch of kids arguing and dishing out insults. Gosh, I feel like I'm back in high school.

Although I understand why the Catholic Church prefers its clergy to be practice the discipline of celibacy, taking a person's right to choose for him or herself is wrong. As I undertsand it one recites vows when being ordained into the minitry, yes? The way it should be is the vow of celibacy should be an option not mandated. One thing that Catholics don't seem to take into consideration is the fact that the call to the ministry is divine calling. Its not like a man wakes up and says I want to be a priest today. To serve in any position of legitimate leadership with God's blessing is to be called by God Himself.

The brick wall is the word of God you call a lie...Oh well. As one of you said..."are you listening to me?" John 8:47

Let him who belongs to God hear what God says. So far all you have shown us is vain worship-rules taught by men.

And this one is priceless, someone said, "I trust the church"

But I will reiterate what God has done..."Let my people go, so they may worship me"

Those whom God has chosen for himself put their TRUST IN GOD ALONE With THE SON WHO ALONE IS HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, FAITHFUL, AND JUST. John 14:1

I have a question for you to consider I dont require you to answer me.

Since eternal life is KNOWING THE FATHER AND THE SON how then will you not be deceived since as so many of you say...."Catholic Sources"

Do these Catholic sources give life? Rather they are nothing more than rules of men!

John 5:36-47

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 11:42:46
The brick wall is the word of God you call a lie...Oh well. As one of you said..."are you listening to me?" John 8:47

Let him who belongs to God hear what God says. So far all you have shown us is vain worship-rules taught by men.

And this one is priceless, someone said, "I trust the church"

But I will reiterate what God has done..."Let my people go, so they may worship me"

Those whom God has chosen for himself put their TRUST IN GOD ALONE With THE SON WHO ALONE IS HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, FAITHFUL, AND JUST. John 14:1

I have a question for you to consider I dont require you to answer me.

Since eternal life is KNOWING THE FATHER AND THE SON how then will you not be deceived since as so many of you say...."Catholic Sources"

Do these Catholic sources give life? Rather they are nothing more than rules of men!

John 5:36-47

You have been shown the truth, but you prefer a lie.

Who is your Father?

Just a reminder...keep it civil people.

Thanks!

God bless Jon-Marc

...Still waiting for the scripture that says if a priest marries he must leave the priesthood.

So chester if you knew who my Father was then you would have no problem showing us where he said this.

But since he didnt and you know he didnt then who is your father?



its going to rain another hail of assaults.

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:03:12
God bless Jon-Marc

...Still waiting for the scripture that says if a priest marries he must leave the priesthood.

So chester if you knew who my Father was then you would have no problem showing us where he said this.

But since he didnt and you know he didnt then who is your father?



its going to rain another hail of assaults.

The celibate priesthood is a discipline, not a dogma, and there are married priests.  The Church follows the advice of Jesus that it is better for those serving the Kingdom to remain unmarried, but it is not a dogma.

So, feel free to repeat your lie, but you are just wasting time and damaging your soul.

Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:21:53
Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with your ignorance of Catholic teaching.


A question for you:

Please show me where in the bible you defend your doctrine of multiple sex partners.

Quote from: chestertonrules on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:41:22

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:21:53
Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with your ignorance of Catholic teaching.


A question for you:

Please show me where in the bible you defend your doctrine of multiple sex partners.

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them violates the forum rules.  This is your second warning.

Quote from: BondServant on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 13:00:23

Quote from: chestertonrules on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:41:22

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:21:53
Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with your ignorance of Catholic teaching.


A question for you:

Please show me where in the bible you defend your doctrine of multiple sex partners.

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them violates the forum rules.  This is your second warning.

He insist on distorting Catholic teaching.  You can read the posts yourself.

What word would you use for someone who consistently distorts Catholic teaching?

He is not ignorant because I disagree with him, he is ignorant because he says things about the Catholic Church that are false even after being corrected.

I think you should be worried about someone coming on a Catholic board and distorting Catholic teaching, not about Catholics pointing out the distortions and ignorance in the posts.

I will say this one final time:

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them is a violation of forum rules.

If you believe he is distorting catholic doctrine, quote from the catechism and the Bible to prove him wrong.

Quote from: chestertonrules on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:41:22

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:21:53
Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with your ignorance of Catholic teaching.


A question for you:

Please show me where in the bible you defend your doctrine of multiple sex partners.

Have you gone nuts Chester? Who said anything about multiple sex Partners?

Why would anyone who knows the truth be interested in the Catholic churches false teachings?

Why can you not give us a scripture saying. God said if you are appointed by me to be a priest and you marry then you can no longer be a priest?

DONT YOU REALIZE? To say if anyone who is a priest appointed by God and not men marries a woman must leave the priesthood is to deny you are the church/bride 2Corinthians 11:2 of Christ and also is to deny that Jesus is your priest having been promised Ephesians 5:23 a bride from God! Hebrews 5:5,6

Isaiah 62:5

This thread is laughably off-topic.  It was supposed to be about the papacy.  Why are there 7 pages about celibacy in thh priesthood and only 2 about the papacy?

Maybe a moderator could split this thread?

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:21:53
Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with celebacy.  Celibacy means to abstain from having sex or to remain single.  If a priest has sex, he is committing the sin of fornication.  If he marries, he has broken his vow of celibacy....a vow he made before God.

When our priest is called by God, he is called to marry the Church.  Our priests imitates Christ. Just as Christ is married to the Church, so are our priests married to the Church because as I keep telling you, we are all called to a much better union....a union with God.  Our nuns also take a vow of celebacy and is married to Christ.  Both our priests and nuns imitate what is found only in Heaven. 

In Heaven, there is NO marriage between men and women.  Are you going to tell God that He is being unjust and unfair because He does not allow marriage between men and women in Heaven? 

See those words highlighted in red Selene?

If you cant give us Gods word then your opinion is just that! Your opinion! Opinions do not hold truth!

Quote from: Selene on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:28:38

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:21:53
Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with celebacy.  Celibacy means to abstain from having sex or to remain single.  If a priest has sex, he is committing the sin of fornication.  If he marries, he has broken his vow of celibacy....a vow he made before God.

When our priest is called by God, he is called to marry the Church.  Our priests imitates Christ. Just as Christ is married to the Church, so are our priests married to the Church because as I keep telling you, we are all called to a much better union....a union with God.  Our nuns also take a vow of celebacy and is married to Christ.  Both our priests and nuns imitate what is found only in Heaven. 

In Heaven, there is NO marriage between men and women.  Are you going to tell God that He is being unjust and unfair because He does not allow marriage between men and women in Heaven? 

Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:34:01
See those words highlighted in red Selene?

If you cant give us Gods word then your opinion is just that! Your opinion! Opinions do not hold truth!

And did you even bother to read my post?  You have absolutely nothing to counter my post.  In Heaven, there isn't going to be a marriage between men and women.  And here on earth, you are worried about why our priests can't marry.  Like Jesus said, "the children of this world marry and are given in marriage." (Luke 20:34).  We are not children of this world.  You are, but not us.  

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:35:33
Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Tell that to Jesus Christ.  

Luke 20:34-35   And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:  But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives.

Quote from: Selene on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:41:20

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:35:33
Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Tell that to Jesus Christ.   

Luke 20:34-35   And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:  But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives.

Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit inspired the words of 1 Tim 4.  So I don't kneed to tell it to Him, He says that forbidding of marriage is a doctrine of demons.

Lol Baptizmo. Matthew 24:26 The Pope is Jesus? WOW Selene!

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:43:06

Quote from: Selene on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:41:20

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:35:33
Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Tell that to Jesus Christ.   

Luke 20:34-35   And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:  But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives.

Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit inspired the words of 1 Tim 4.  So I don't kneed to tell it to Him, He says that forbidding of marriage is a doctrine of demons.

Yes, you do because Christ forbids marriage between men and women in Heaven. 

Quote from: Selene on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:41:20

Quote from: The Great Baptizmo on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:35:33
Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Tell that to Jesus Christ.   

Luke 20:34-35   And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:  But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives.

So only single people go to heaven? Gee Selene, who are you to condemn every married human to hell when God blessed him and gave him a wife?

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:43:19
Lol Baptizmo. Matthew 24:26 The Pope is Jesus? WOW Selene!

Wow!  And where in my post did I say that the Pope is Jesus?  I see it only in your post.  Do you know what the word "imitates" means? Do you need a dictionary?  

To imitate means to follow or simulate.  So, when I say that I imitate my mother, does that mean that I am my mother?  No.  It means that I follow her in what she does.  So, when I say that our priest imitates Christ, does that mean that our priest IS Christ?  No.  It means that our priest follows Christ.  Look at what St. Paul says below.  He says that He follows Christ.  Does this mean that he is Christ?  No.  He is simply saying that he imitates Christ by following Him.  

1 Corinthians 11:1  Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.    

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:46:03

So only single people go to heaven? Gee Selene, who are you to condemn every married human to hell when God blessed him and gave him a wife?

Did I say that only single people go to Heaven, Visionary?  Do you have a problem with the English language?  When Christ Himself said that in Heaven there is no marriage and no one will be given in marriage, does that mean that only single people go to heaven?  No!  It simply means that men and women will not be married to each other in Heaven.  It means that those who were once married on earth will not be married in Heaven to their wife whom they were married to on earth.  That is what it means.  Perhaps, you need to go back to English 101.  

Quote from: Selene on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 18:28:38

Quote from: Visionary on Wed Sep 29, 2010 - 12:21:53
Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with celebacy.  Celibacy means to abstain from having sex or to remain single.  If a priest has sex, he is committing the sin of fornication.  If he marries, he has broken his vow of celibacy....a vow he made before God.

When our priest is called by God, he is called to marry the Church.  Our priests imitates Christ. Just as Christ is married to the Church, so are our priests married to the Church because as I keep telling you, we are all called to a much better union....a union with God.  Our nuns also take a vow of celebacy and is married to Christ.  Both our priests and nuns imitate what is found only in Heaven. 

In Heaven, there is NO marriage between men and women.  Are you going to tell God that He is being unjust and unfair because He does not allow marriage between men and women in Heaven? 

Highlighted in red you said, your catholic priests marry the church...HMMM? You dont even know what you are talking about. How can a priest united with Christ marry another? IN order for that to happen you just said, THE POPE IS JESUS...

Revelation 17 the Roman catholic church you call your government and nation is the prostitute...you just said so yourself Selene without even realizing what you were saying!

So my question to you now Selene is when are you going to believe those promises I shared with you and escape?