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Christians are with Jesus before the deepest throes of Tribulation come to pass. The 'elect' spoken of after that refers to His chosen ones, Israel.

Where the word says that 'every eye shall see Him' refers to those whoa re earth dwellers, and that refers to the wicked who have missed their redemption in Christ. Nowhere in prophetic scripture after the letters to the churches in Revelation do we ever read of the Church. it is always, 'the wicked' or 'the world', or 'those on the earth'. The Body of Christ won't be among them.

Quote from: larry2 on Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 14:08:58

Quote from: howard on Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 05:08:20

The Rapture.

there is no rapture of the church.

Revelation 11:3   And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 11:4  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. What are the candlesticks in scripture? Revelation 1:20 . . . the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
 
Revelation 11:12  And they (The two witnesses = candlesticks = churches?) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Notice the words colored blue: Come up hither, and caught up; how do they get to heaven and God's throne?

My thoughts

Christ was caught up 40 days after the crucifixion, and the saints will be caught up at the end of the world.
The day of the rapture, hence, caught up: 1Thes 4:17  Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Quote from: howard on Sat Jul 09, 2011 - 09:30:38
here is a dark sentence that has stomped the brightest of the world.

How old is the earth?

many say millions of years old, some say 1000's of years old

the bible says different

how long is in the beginning?

we don't know.

Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

As of today, the earth is 13,023 years old and that is not a dark saying because it can be figured through scripture; moreover, Christ was born on October 2nd in 7 B. C. .

Quote from: blu on Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 13:34:35

Quote from: howard on Sat Jul 09, 2011 - 09:30:38
here is a dark sentence that has stomped the brightest of the world.

How old is the earth?

many say millions of years old, some say 1000's of years old

the bible says different

how long is in the beginning?

we don't know.

Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

As of today, the earth is 13,023 years old and that is not a dark saying because it can be figured through scripture; moreover, Christ was born on October 2nd in 7 B. C. .

Please show me in scriptures that the earth is 13,023 years old?

I want to know how you got the calculation.

I read in the first words of Genesis

Genesis 1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

when did in the beginning start?





I 

Quote from: blu on Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 13:30:44

Quote from: larry2 on Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 14:08:58

Quote from: howard on Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 05:08:20

The Rapture.

there is no rapture of the church.

Revelation 11:3   And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 11:4  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. What are the candlesticks in scripture? Revelation 1:20 . . . the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
 
Revelation 11:12  And they (The two witnesses = candlesticks = churches?) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Notice the words colored blue: Come up hither, and caught up; how do they get to heaven and God's throne?

My thoughts

Christ was caught up 40 days after the crucifixion, and the saints will be caught up at the end of the world.
The day of the rapture, hence, caught up: 1Thes 4:17  Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

wait a minute if you use the raptures doctrine then the raptures is not the end of the world?

rapture and caught up has two different meanings

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

what is this breath of life that is in man's nostrils?

Job 27:3
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

why do Job call it the spirit in his nostrils?

is it a spirit or is it breath/air?

who are the ancient of days spoken of by Daniel?

one ancient of days came to another ancient of days?

who is who?

Daniel 7:12-14 (King James Version)


9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


12As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

when we die that very day our thoughts perish


Psalm 146:3-5 (King James Version)

3Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

5Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God:


Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.


dead people don't talk.

a very dark sentence among all religions

a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

why is childbirth so painful?

here is the dark sentence that christian women might not know.

It is because of our Mother Eve's rebellion


Gen 3

13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.

 

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from  

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'---the spirit enlivened by Holy Spirit immediately enters the Kingdom of Heaven.

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:40:15
why is childbirth so painful?

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.

 

What kind of comment is that? It has no basis in truth.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from  

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:43:56

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:40:15
why is childbirth so painful?

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.

 

What kind of comment is that? It has no basis in truth.

the comment was not to child birth but to the woman desire to her husband and the rule over the woman by the man

Gen 3

13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.


it is true that Good christian women choose unright husband

the word of God backs it up

lets read


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:55:12

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Gabriesl stands in the presence of the Lord and he is sent to deliver messages.



Daniel 8:16
And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

Daniel 9:21
yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Luke 1:19
And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

Luke 1:26
And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:57:38

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:43:56

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:40:15
why is childbirth so painful?

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.

 

What kind of comment is that? It has no basis in truth.

the comment was not to child birth but to the woman desire to her husband and the rule over the woman by the man

Gen 3

13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.


it is true that Good christian women choose unright husband

the word of God backs it up

lets read


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

You falsely judge earnest Christian women. Stop it.

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:00:42

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:55:12

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Gabriesl stands in the presence of the Lord and he is sent to deliver messages.



Daniel 8:16
And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

Daniel 9:21
yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Luke 1:19
And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

Luke 1:26
And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:05:58

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:00:42

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:55:12

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and what is this spirit that return back to God?

I can show you 6 different spirits from God in the bible?

which one is the verse above talking about?

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:00:54

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:57:38

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:43:56

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:40:15
why is childbirth so painful?

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.

 

What kind of comment is that? It has no basis in truth.

the comment was not to child birth but to the woman desire to her husband and the rule over the woman by the man

Gen 3

13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.


it is true that Good christian women choose unright husband

the word of God backs it up

lets read


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

You falsely judge earnest Christian women. Stop it.

I personally know many, many Good christian woman who married rotten men and vise verse.

most cases the woman married before she came to the Lord and as her understanding increased in the word of God she understood that she was unequally yoked.

there is no falsely judgement lets speak open and honest men christian men and women sometime marry the wrong person before they come into the word of God and sometimes after they come into the word of God

   there are good christian women who are married to bad men.

this is facts

notice I put Good christian women

where is the problem?

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:11:06

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:05:58

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:00:42

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:55:12

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and what is this spirit that return back to God?

I can show you 6 different spirits from God in the bible?

which one is the verse above talking about?

We humans have a human spirit. THAT one.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

what is this breath of life that is in man's nostrils?

Job 27:3
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

why do Job call it the spirit in his nostrils?

what is this spirit that is Job's nostrils?

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:18:59

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:11:06

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:05:58

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:00:42

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:55:12

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and what is this spirit that return back to God?

I can show you 6 different spirits from God in the bible?

which one is the verse above talking about?

We humans have a human spirit. THAT one.

Please show me in the bible that one?

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:16:54

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:00:54

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:57:38

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:43:56

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:40:15
why is childbirth so painful?

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.

 

What kind of comment is that? It has no basis in truth.

the comment was not to child birth but to the woman desire to her husband and the rule over the woman by the man

Gen 3

13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.


it is true that Good christian women choose unright husband

the word of God backs it up

lets read


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

You falsely judge earnest Christian women. Stop it.

I personally know many, many Good christian woman who married rotten men and vise verse.

most cases the woman married before she came to the Lord and as her understanding increased in the word of God she understood that she was unequally yoked.

there is no falsely judgement lets speak open and honest men christian men and women sometime marry the wrong person before they come into the word of God and sometimes after they come into the word of God

   there are good christian women who are married to bad men.

this is facts

notice I put Good christian women

where is the problem?

Your sweeping general statement that 'good Christian women' marry 'the most unrighteous of men' is a false statement.

here is a dark sentence concerning the spirit

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said his words are spirit.

is the the spirit in man that people speak of?

anyway when I read this how should I look upon the word spirit it when I come across the word in other places in the bible.

what about the spirit that is in Job nostril?  

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Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and what is this spirit that return back to God?

I can show you 6 different spirits from God in the bible?

which one is the verse above talking about?

We humans have a human spirit. THAT one.

Please show me in the bible that one?

Man is tripartite:

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.

Practice saying, "I am a spirit, I have a soul. I live in a body."

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Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:40:15
why is childbirth so painful?

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.

 

What kind of comment is that? It has no basis in truth.

the comment was not to child birth but to the woman desire to her husband and the rule over the woman by the man

Gen 3

13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

ever wonder why good Christian women will desire and marry the most unrighteous of men.


it is true that Good christian women choose unright husband

the word of God backs it up

lets read


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

You falsely judge earnest Christian women. Stop it.

I personally know many, many Good christian woman who married rotten men and vise verse.

most cases the woman married before she came to the Lord and as her understanding increased in the word of God she understood that she was unequally yoked.

there is no falsely judgement lets speak open and honest men christian men and women sometime marry the wrong person before they come into the word of God and sometimes after they come into the word of God

    there are good christian women who are married to bad men.

this is facts

notice I put Good christian women

where is the problem?

Your sweeping general statement that 'good Christian women' marry 'the most unrighteous of men' is a false statement.

OK

I apologise for being general

I will try not to be so general.

I would hope you would understand that, but I can't assume    

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Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and what is this spirit that return back to God?

I can show you 6 different spirits from God in the bible?

which one is the verse above talking about?

We humans have a human spirit. THAT one.

Please show me in the bible that one?

Man is tripartite:

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.

Practice saying, "I am a spirit, I have a soul. I live in a body."

better yet I will go to the beginning when God created man and read what man is

  Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

what did man become? a living soul.  man is a living soul

what did God put into man? the breath of life

what was man formed out of ? the dust of the ground

show me here in the creation of man that he is   "Man is tripartite" as you say a word that is not in the bible.

better yet show in the bible where it says man is 3 parts.

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Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:55:12

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and what is this spirit that return back to God?

I can show you 6 different spirits from God in the bible?

which one is the verse above talking about?

We humans have a human spirit. THAT one.

Please show me in the bible that one?

Man is tripartite:

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.

Practice saying, "I am a spirit, I have a soul. I live in a body."

better yet I will go to the beginning when God created man and read what man is

  Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

what did man become? a living soul.  man is a living soul

what did God put into man? the breath of life

what was man formed out of ? the dust of the ground

show me here in the creation of man that he is   "Man is tripartite" as you say a word that is not in the bible.

better yet show in the bible where it says man is 3 parts.

I already did.

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Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:26:02

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:20:01

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:18:59

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:11:06

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:05:58

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 09:00:42

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:55:12

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:44:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:41:42

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 08:35:09
a very dark sentence that all people seem to not see

when a man dies, he go back to the very place he came from 

the earth is where he came and the earth is where he return.

Genesis 3

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


man is not from heaven so how can he go to heaven?

The truth is that we are spirits that are eternal, but guess what? We live in dirt suits that break down and become earth again once the spirit vacates its 'house'

Let's read Scripture and be wise for the effort!

where is this written in the scriptures to make me wise?

Read Genesis, then Proverbs. The entire word of God attests to it.

I have.

and I know for a fact that man came out of the earth and when man dies he goes back to the earth, he turns to dust.

this is a fact.

please point me to what you are specifically saying

Yes, it is a fact that our bodies disintegrate back to the earth elements it is created from. However, we are not our flesh house! We are spirit creatures. As Christians, when our flesh dies, our spirits go to God. The Bible says so.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and what is this spirit that return back to God?

I can show you 6 different spirits from God in the bible?

which one is the verse above talking about?

We humans have a human spirit. THAT one.

Please show me in the bible that one?

Man is tripartite:

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.

Practice saying, "I am a spirit, I have a soul. I live in a body."

better yet I will go to the beginning when God created man and read what man is

  Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

what did man become? a living soul.  man is a living soul

what did God put into man? the breath of life

what was man formed out of ? the dust of the ground

show me here in the creation of man that he is   "Man is tripartite" as you say a word that is not in the bible.

better yet show in the bible where it says man is 3 parts.

I already did.

No

you showed me a verse that says nothing about man being in 3 parts or being spirit, soul or body.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.

I have to keep my soul, spirit and body blameless until Jesus come?

that is a lot I have to keep in check.

according to the word of God a soul can do the same thing a body can do

Leviticus 5:1
And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.

Leviticus 5:2
Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.

Leviticus 5:4
Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these.

Leviticus 5:15
If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the LORD; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering.


Leviticus 7:18
And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity.


we have the soul that can see, hear, touch and eat,
a soul can swear, sin, and commit trespasses

sound like a what?

body!!! 

Leviticus 22:11
But if the priest buy any soul with his money, he shall eat of it, and he that is born in his house: they shall eat of his meat.

a soul can be bought with money

Say unto them, Whosoever he be of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the children of Israel hallow unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, that soul shall be cut off from my presence: I am the LORD.

the soul can be cutt-off from the presence of the Lord

what is a soul?


Genesis 12:5
And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

a person, a body?

what did Abram gather from haran? souls

what are these?