People did you know: if one sins he or she does not know God?

[glf]

Example: In 1 Cor 5 we see the Cornith church instructed by Paul to shun the brother who was commiting a sin that was not even named among the gentiles.  Later, in 2Cor 2 we see this same brother welcomed back into fellowship with the church after he repented.

Jam4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin

Jam4:13-16 (16) But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

1Cor6:15-20 (18)Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

1Jn5:16,17 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and He shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Mt12:31 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (This is the forbiden fruit in New Jerusalem and shows we choose the Lord's by our own choises)

1Cor8:4-13 (12) But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

1Tim5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Heb12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Jas5:19,20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Jam2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Jam3:2NAS For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.

[MeMyself]

Cant believe this is still going on. Come on guys, we all know that we sin. Paul says so, The Bible says so. Jesus died BECAUSE we do. What more do we need to know?I cant even believe that we are even discussing such a ridiculous idea.

"If we say we are without sin we DECIEVE ourselves,and the truth is NOT IN US". Giver is deceiving himself according to the Bible(God).

You have an opinion why don't you back up that opinion with scripture? 

The Bible I read tells us a Christian does not sin.  What bible do you read?

(1 John 3-10) "Everyone who has this hope based on him makes himself pure, as he is pure. Everyone who commits sin commits lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.  You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who remains in him sins; no one who sins has seen him or known him. Children, let no one deceive you. The person who acts in righteousness is righteous, just as he is righteous. Whoever sins belongs to the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. Indeed, the Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God.  In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.

[MeMyself]

Also, Giver...a friend pointed these verses out to me, maybe they can help clear some things up...
1 John 3:9
Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that God's children do not make a practice of sinning, for God's Son holds them securely, and the evil one cannot touch them.
...

[Giver]

Ladonia, Jesus will be my judge, and if I sinned he will deal with me.  My sinning or not sinning does not in any way excuse anyone who sins.

Having you say I sinned, just puts me in the same boat with Peter, and Paul.  People make Peter and Paul sinners to justify their sinning.  You are just doing what many do when they can't find any scripture that says I am wrong.

When certain people, one's who can't stand the truth, have no rebuttals left to block the truth, and after all the false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

[Giver]

Example: In 1 Cor 5 we see the Cornith church instructed by Paul to shun the brother who was commiting a sin that was not even named among the gentiles.  Later, in 2Cor 2 we see this same brother welcomed back into fellowship with the church after he repented.

Jam4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin

Jam4:13-16 (16) But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

1Cor6:15-20 (18)Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

1Jn5:16,17 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and He shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Mt12:31 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (This is the forbiden fruit in New Jerusalem and shows we choose the Lord's by our own choises)

1Cor8:4-13 (12) But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

1Tim5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Heb12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Jas5:19,20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Jam2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Jam3:2NAS For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.

(1 Corinthians 5:11-13) "What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.  It is not my business to pass judgment on those outside.  Of those who are inside, you can surely be the judges.  But of those who are outside, God is the judge.  You must drive out this evil-doer from among you.

[MeMyself]

 You are just doing what many do when they can't find any scripture that says I am wrong.

Giver...you have been given MULTIPLE scripture that shows you message is wrong.

Are you looking for something more pointed like "Thus saith the Lord, Giver's message be false, do not listen to him!" Because, yeah, *that* not in there, but so many others that have been shared contradict completely, totally, and utterly what you are trying to preach!  

[Giver]

Also, Giver...a friend pointed these verses out to me, maybe they can help clear some things up...
1 John 3:9
Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that God's children do not make a practice of sinning, for God's Son holds them securely, and the evil one cannot touch them.
...

I wonder if you know what God will do to those who change the written Word of God.

Do you know that a sinner will never enter into the kingdom of heaven?

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

[MeMyself]

(1 Corinthians 5:11-13) "What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.  It is not my business to pass judgment on those outside.  Of those who are inside, you can surely be the judges.  But of those who are outside, God is the judge.  You must drive out this evil-doer from among you.

[MeMyself]

Also, Giver...a friend pointed these verses out to me, maybe they can help clear some things up...
1 John 3:9
Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that God's children do not make a practice of sinning, for God's Son holds them securely, and the evil one cannot touch them.
...

I wonder if you know what God will do to those who change the written Word of God.

Do you know that a sinner will never enter into the kingdom of heaven?

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

[Ladonia]

Ladonia, Jesus will be my judge, and if I sinned he will deal with me.  My sinning or not sinning does not in any way excuse anyone who sins.

Having you say I sinned, just puts me in the same boat with Peter, and Paul.  People make Peter and Paul sinners to justify their sinning.  You are just doing what many do when they can't find any scripture that says I am wrong.

When certain people, one's who can't stand the truth, have no rebuttals left to block the truth, and after all the false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Giver,  I don't believe that I ever denigrated, defamed, maligned, or villified you. If that's what you believe I did then I offer to you my sincerest apology. I simply said you are a sinner just like I and others did who have posted on this topic. We are not the ones who have said we are sinless, you did.

That's the point, Peter and Paul were sinners and God continued to abide in them. So, are you now revising all you statements and now saying that you are indeed a sinner? If so, I am happy that you now realize that.

Yes, all your quoted Srciptures are true, there is no doubt about it. So are the Scripture quotes that we all are sinners, that forgiveness is available to us not seven times, but seventy times seven. God does not abandon us when we sin, but always holds out His forgiveness and mercy towards us.

[Giver]

Also, Giver...a friend pointed these verses out to me, maybe they can help clear some things up...
1 John 3:9
Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that God's children do not make a practice of sinning, for God's Son holds them securely, and the evil one cannot touch them.
...

(1 John 5:18) "We know that no one begotten by God sins; but the one begotten by God he protects, and the evil one cannot touch him.

[Giver]

Ladonia, Jesus will be my judge, and if I sinned he will deal with me.  My sinning or not sinning does not in any way excuse anyone who sins.

Having you say I sinned, just puts me in the same boat with Peter, and Paul.  People make Peter and Paul sinners to justify their sinning.  You are just doing what many do when they can't find any scripture that says I am wrong.

When certain people, one's who can't stand the truth, have no rebuttals left to block the truth, and after all the false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Giver,  I don't believe that I ever denigrated, defamed, maligned, or villified you. If that's what you believe I did then I offer to you my sincerest apology. I simply said you are a sinner just like I and others did who have posted on this topic. We are not the ones who have said we are sinless, you did.

That's the point, Peter and Paul were sinners and God continued to abide in them. So, are you now revising all you statements and now saying that you are indeed a sinner? If so, I am happy that you now realize that.

Yes, all your quoted Srciptures are true, there is no doubt about it. So are the Scripture quotes that we all are sinners, that forgiveness is available to us not seven times, but seventy times seven. God does not abandon us when we sin, but always holds out His forgiveness and mercy towards us.

You seem to have a bad habit of reading words that are not written.  In no way did I say that I sin.  There is nothing in this world that would make me so evil as to deliberately commit a sin.  No way would I exchange being one with God for anything. 

[Ladonia]

Ladonia, Jesus will be my judge, and if I sinned he will deal with me.  My sinning or not sinning does not in any way excuse anyone who sins.

Having you say I sinned, just puts me in the same boat with Peter, and Paul.  People make Peter and Paul sinners to justify their sinning.  You are just doing what many do when they can't find any scripture that says I am wrong.

When certain people, one's who can't stand the truth, have no rebuttals left to block the truth, and after all the false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Giver,  I don't believe that I ever denigrated, defamed, maligned, or villified you. If that's what you believe I did then I offer to you my sincerest apology. I simply said you are a sinner just like I and others did who have posted on this topic. We are not the ones who have said we are sinless, you did.

That's the point, Peter and Paul were sinners and God continued to abide in them. So, are you now revising all you statements and now saying that you are indeed a sinner? If so, I am happy that you now realize that.

Yes, all your quoted Srciptures are true, there is no doubt about it. So are the Scripture quotes that we all are sinners, that forgiveness is available to us not seven times, but seventy times seven. God does not abandon us when we sin, but always holds out His forgiveness and mercy towards us.

You seem to have a bad habit of reading words that are not written.  In no way did I say that I sin.  There is nothing in this world that would make me so evil as to deliberately commit a sin.  No way would I exchange being one with God for anything. 

You did sin, here on this thread. The severity of your sin was minor, but you did indeed sin. It' unbelievable that you cannot recognize that. You are of your own mind with the free will given to you by God. There is nothing more I can say. God bless.

[Giver]

Ladonia, Jesus will be my judge, and if I sinned he will deal with me.  My sinning or not sinning does not in any way excuse anyone who sins.

Having you say I sinned, just puts me in the same boat with Peter, and Paul.  People make Peter and Paul sinners to justify their sinning.  You are just doing what many do when they can't find any scripture that says I am wrong.

When certain people, one's who can't stand the truth, have no rebuttals left to block the truth, and after all the false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Giver,  I don't believe that I ever denigrated, defamed, maligned, or villified you. If that's what you believe I did then I offer to you my sincerest apology. I simply said you are a sinner just like I and others did who have posted on this topic. We are not the ones who have said we are sinless, you did.

That's the point, Peter and Paul were sinners and God continued to abide in them. So, are you now revising all you statements and now saying that you are indeed a sinner? If so, I am happy that you now realize that.

Yes, all your quoted Srciptures are true, there is no doubt about it. So are the Scripture quotes that we all are sinners, that forgiveness is available to us not seven times, but seventy times seven. God does not abandon us when we sin, but always holds out His forgiveness and mercy towards us.

You seem to have a bad habit of reading words that are not written.  In no way did I say that I sin.  There is nothing in this world that would make me so evil as to deliberately commit a sin.  No way would I exchange being one with God for anything. 

You did sin, here on this thread. The severity of your sin was minor, but you did indeed sin. It' unbelievable that you cannot recognize that. You are of your own mind with the free will given to you by God. There is nothing more I can say. God bless.

Telling one the truth is not a sin.  Even if I would have said what I did in more harsh words it was not a sin.  I was calling a lie a lie.  When people lie and you catch him or her in a lie it is not a sin to point out the lie.   

[gospel]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage.  

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

You believe me to be bad, because I told the truth? Have you read scripture, and observed how Jesus, Peter, Paul talked to some people?  

In your defense giver this is true..

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.

But when He saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where He was baptizing, He said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

The big distinctions are:

1. Jesus is God, The Word wrapped in Flesh, Giver is not

2. Pharisees were those in authority over the Jewish people, we are not

3. Jesus is speaking to those that are in authority over His people and are supposed to be representing Him and His Kingdom

4. Jesus never ministered condemnation or spoke cruelly to individuals

[chosenone]

Cant believe this is still going on. Come on guys, we all know that we sin. Paul says so, The Bible says so. Jesus died BECAUSE we do. What more do we need to know?I cant even believe that we are even discussing such a ridiculous idea.

"If we say we are without sin we DECIEVE ourselves,and the truth is NOT IN US". Giver is deceiving himself according to the Bible(God).

You have an opinion why don’t you back up that opinion with scripture? 

The Bible I read tells us a Christian does not sin.  What bible do you read?

(1 John 3-10) “Everyone who has this hope based on him makes himself pure, as he is pure. Everyone who commits sin commits lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.  You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who remains in him sins; no one who sins has seen him or known him. Children, let no one deceive you. The person who acts in righteousness is righteous, just as he is righteous. Whoever sins belongs to the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. Indeed, the Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God.  In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.”

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” 

I have backed it up with the verse that I KEEP on quoting. 'If we say we are without sin we decieve ourseleves and the truth is not in us'.
God says that the truth is not in you giver. Claiming to be without sin is a sin in itself!!!!!Pride and arrogance and lying are sins.

Why it is so vital for you to try and convince yourself that you dont sin? Did you maybe have parents who expected perfection?Clearly something has caused this in you.

[Giver]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don’t you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

You believe me to be bad, because I told the truth? Have you read scripture, and observed how Jesus, Peter, Paul talked to some people? 

In your defense giver this is true..

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.

But when He saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where He was baptizing, He said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

The big distinctions are:

1. Jesus is God, The Word wrapped in Flesh, Giver is not

2. Pharisees were those in authority over the Jewish people, we are not

3. Jesus is speaking to those that are in authority over His people and are supposed to be representing Him and His Kingdom

4. Jesus never ministered condemnation or spoke cruelly to individuals

(Matthew 16:23) "He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.

[Giver]

Cant believe this is still going on. Come on guys, we all know that we sin. Paul says so, The Bible says so. Jesus died BECAUSE we do. What more do we need to know?I cant even believe that we are even discussing such a ridiculous idea.

"If we say we are without sin we DECIEVE ourselves,and the truth is NOT IN US". Giver is deceiving himself according to the Bible(God).

You have an opinion why don’t you back up that opinion with scripture? 

The Bible I read tells us a Christian does not sin.  What bible do you read?

(1 John 3-10) “Everyone who has this hope based on him makes himself pure, as he is pure. Everyone who commits sin commits lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.  You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who remains in him sins; no one who sins has seen him or known him. Children, let no one deceive you. The person who acts in righteousness is righteous, just as he is righteous. Whoever sins belongs to the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. Indeed, the Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God.  In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.”

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” 

I have backed it up with the verse that I KEEP on quoting. 'If we say we are without sin we decieve ourseleves and the truth is not in us'.
God says that the truth is not in you giver. Claiming to be without sin is a sin in itself!!!!!Pride and arrogance and lying are sins.

Why it is so vital for you to try and convince yourself that you dont sin? Did you maybe have parents who expected perfection?Clearly something has caused this in you.

If someone is a sinner then it only makes sense that they need to believe everyone is a sinner, so he or she can feel justified.

I keep sharing what John said about those who say they never have sinned, but some people just can't understand what John said, so I will post it again.  You may not understand, but others might.

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

[Bitter Sweet]

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

I love God, I just get a kick out of reading the bible sometimes.

[chosenone]

giver said
"If someone is a sinner then it only makes sense that they need to believe everyone is a sinner, so he or she can feel justified"

You just make me laugh at your arrogance. I agree with God when He says that we have all sinned and we will all still sin till the day we die. We dont deliberately sin, but we still do because you and I and every other believer are human beings with failings and weaknesses.Thats why we need Jesus.
I wonder are you married? If you are, does your wife think you are perfect and never do anything wrong? Do your friends think you are sinless?Does your pastor think you are sinless?
You are totally decieved and living in cloud cuckoo land.